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Wednesday, November 16, 2011

All Talk, No Money for Education

Posted by on Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 2:39 PM

At a news conference this morning at Renton Technical College, Gov. Chris Gregoire proposed spending an additional $10 million on aerospace training and education in an effort to keep Boeing jobs in the state.

Too little, too late.

For all the talk from political and business leaders about the need to invest more in education in order to keep Washington's economy competitive, their refusal to address our state's structural revenue deficit assures that we will continue to do the exact opposite. According to a report released today from the Washington State Budget and Policy center—"Declining Support for Education Threatens Economic Growth"—legislators have slashed almost $5 billion, about 25 percent, from our education system over the past three years alone, resulting in larger class sizes and greatly reduced access to both early and higher education.

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But raw dollars don't give the whole picture, for these cuts have occurred at a time of rising enrollment and rising costs. Between 2008 and 2010, 12,135 students were added to the state's K-12 rolls, while the number of classroom teachers was cut by about 3,000, and state funding for early education—once a centerpiece of Gov. Gregoire's agenda—has been all but eliminated. And for higher education, the cumulative cuts have been even worse, shifting an ever greater burden—and debt—onto the backs of recent and future graduates.

For example, tuition and fees for undergraduate resident students at the University of Washington have more than doubled over recent years, from $5,286 in 2005 to $10,574 today. College seniors who graduated in 2010 carried an average student loan debt of $22,101, as the share of higher education costs shouldered by the state flipped from 70 percent in 2000 to 35 percent for the class of 2013.

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So forgive me for not cheering the additional $10 million Gregoire proposes to spend on aerospace education when she's signed budgets slashing annual funding by $200 million over three years at the University of Washington alone. As for appeasing Boeing, gimme a break. If Boeing executives really cared about investing in education here in Washington they wouldn't have held us up for billions in tax breaks in exchange for keeping 787 jobs in Everett... a deal they didn't even keep. So do you really think $10 million on aerospace education is going to keep the 737 in Renton, when their long term production strategy is clearly focused on breaking organized labor?

Politicians and business leaders love to talk about investing in education—even Rob McKenna. But until they start talking about how they plan to pay for it—you know, taxes—I'm going to continue to refuse to take them seriously.

 

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Cato the Younger Younger 1
Maybe this could be a focus for Occupy Seattle? You know, maybe take on one policy issue to shove in the face of the 1%, get that through and then push through another policy issue and so forth. And taking care of our structural fiscal problem seems to be a good place to start.

Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on November 16, 2011 at 2:44 PM
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@1 - I know of one Legislative candidate who is taking this issue on: http://www.electgregorygadow.com
Posted by TechBear on November 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 3
And yet it was reported that UW foreign enrollment is at an all time high...students will to pay full price out of state rates plus room, board and travel.

So it seems to me the real crime is letting middle and upper middle class families get a subsidy of $80,000 for no good reason.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on November 16, 2011 at 2:57 PM
Will in Seattle 4
And none of the legislators had anything to propose other than continually growing Boeing, Microsoft, and Banking tax exemptions and regressive sales taxes.

No property taxes.

No suspensions of tax exemptions until the economy returns.

No 2/3 majority Citizen Votes on all Tax Exemptions every 2 or 4 years or they die.

Nothing.

It's like they're begging the courts to enforce the State Constitution and toss out the tax exemptions for them.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 16, 2011 at 3:10 PM
Will in Seattle 5
@3 go to hell.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 16, 2011 at 3:11 PM
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I still don't understand why we need more money for education when per-pupil spending has nearly tripled (in inflation-adjusted dollars) since 1970.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/obama-job…

Education for the left is like the military for the right. No amount of money is enough.
Posted by LJM on November 16, 2011 at 3:15 PM
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@Will - I'm curious which tax exemptions you're referring to (that's a serious question, wasn't being an ass...)?

Posted by McNutt on November 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM
Will in Seattle 8
@6 wrong, already proven incorrect.

Inflation adjusted with materials and building costs and pop adjusts, it has DECREASED.

Got a 10th Congressional seat? It's cause your population is growing.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM
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So, if I report losing one dollar from my front pocket – while not drawing attention to the cash being stuffed in my back wallet – can I really say I'm "poorer"?

Washington State spending is down, but that doesn't mean spending is down, as the Democrats have simply federalized education spending, and we're lined-up at the trough.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/chart-of-…

And, these figures reflects cuts from budgets, that were already hyper-inflated. Gregoire increased State spending 30% in her first 3 years, and lo' and behold now we have a problem.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/z…

Finally, there's virtually no correlation between a further increases in spending and quality improvements in education. So it doesn't substantially matter to anyone but the WEA, and the other political apparatus.
Posted by Zok on November 16, 2011 at 3:23 PM
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@6 Hmmm....I wonder if there's a reason why education has gotten more resource intensive. Let's see, in 1970, texts books and a slide-rule were pretty much cutting edge tools of learning to prepare children for a middle to upper class job market. Let's see, have the resources needed to acheive that level of education gotten more expensive? Probably not. I say, don't teach kids anything about computer technology or biomechanical engineering. Let's leave that to the rich folks, shall we?
Posted by CapHillSounder on November 16, 2011 at 3:24 PM
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@6 Hmmm....I wonder if there's a reason why education has gotten more resource intensive. Let's see, in 1970, texts books and a slide-rule were pretty much cutting edge tools of learning to prepare children for a middle to upper class job market. Let's see, have the resources needed to acheive that level of education gotten more expensive? Probably not. I say, don't teach kids anything about computer technology or biomechanical engineering. Let's leave that to the rich folks, shall we?

Also, since 1970, I wonder if there has been any social progress that may make a teacher's salary less competitive in the job market. Let's see. It says here in my handy book of common sense that the majority of teachers in 1970 were women and that they had quite a bit of trouble getting jobs in any other field. I wonder if that did anything to depress the wages of quality professional teachers?
Posted by CapHillSounder on November 16, 2011 at 3:24 PM
Will in Seattle 12
@7 there are many, including the sacrosanct Gas Tax exemption for farm vehicles and non profits.

Do none of you read the actual line items in the business annual reports that itemize them?

To them it's an exception, therefore it's a subsidy.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 16, 2011 at 3:52 PM
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If current teacher salaries aren't competitive in the market – why are there qualified candidates lined-up in the thousands to take those jobs, and hundreds of thousands more crushing into colleges to study for those "low paying" jobs?

It's not discrimination that pushes down teacher salaries. The union doesn't want teachers to make more money. They want many more teachers making less money than they think they should be making, because THAT -- dear friends -- makes for a very powerful and profitable political engine.

800 really good teachers making $100,000 per year isn't nearly as useful to them as 1,200 mediocre teachers making $60,000 per year.
Posted by Zok on November 16, 2011 at 5:05 PM
pissy mcslogbot 14
13: sure, "The union doesn't want teachers to make more money.", and you know, they also want class sizes to be increased and the ability to collectively bargain be rendered moot; 'cause those darned unions are all wily like that about its' members concerns.
hmmm? o.k. then.
Posted by pissy mcslogbot on November 16, 2011 at 5:31 PM
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Feel free to make sense at any time this evening....
Posted by Zok on November 16, 2011 at 7:41 PM
pissy mcslogbot 16
And what part of manageable class sizes as key to effective teaching are you missing?
Posted by pissy mcslogbot on November 16, 2011 at 8:02 PM
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Funny-enough the rest of the developed world seems to do really quite well with class sizes the same as – or in many cases larger than – our own. Fuck it THAT isn't a bummer for your argument!

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0…

And here we are: Making the highest financial investment, with the same class sizes, and getting the worst results.

The fact are we spend plenty of money, the results aren't improving, and you're still repeating the same bullshit excuses we've heard for 30 years – despite clear evidence to the contrary.

What is it about Australian, Japanese, Irish, German, Dutch kids, that they can put just about as many or more kids in one class, for far less money, and get WAY better results.

- Parents are less involved in US public education, and only a market which drives school choice will raise the level of parental accountability at an individual child level.
- A protect-the-useless union mindset has diminished the professionalism, initiative and effectiveness of all teachers and administrators.
- A redundant and inefficient services structure (breakfasts, lunches, buses, after-school care, family counseling) invites schools to becomes the parents of kids, breeding intergenerational dependency.
- A bloated bureaucracy takes money out of classrooms, creates an attentive block of voters for the Democratic party, and a keeps the teachers hungry and active on behalf of their union.
- The education oligarchy has an indulgent Baby Boomer mindset, so we coddle, nurture and reward - instead or challenging, preparing and coaching.

Thank you for being such a wonderful poster child for the intellectual atrophy extending from our school system.
More...
Posted by Zok on November 16, 2011 at 9:26 PM
pissy mcslogbot 18
Sure that NYT article basically buffets whatever libertarian point you are attempting to make, in that it focuses mostly on homogeneous societies and doesn't take at all into account any disparities of class or race that exist in U.S. Schools, it is boilerplate fare at best, and using it as any sort of evidence or a reason to further defund our public schools is akin to going back 50 or more years in regards to the kind public education we should demand today.
Posted by pissy mcslogbot on November 16, 2011 at 10:09 PM
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@8, you say it's proven wrong without showing how. Populations are growing, sure. But as student enrollment has gone up 10%, hiring has increased 95%. Please explain.
Posted by LJM on November 16, 2011 at 10:35 PM
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I call BS on that graph. In the small print, it claims to be generated from the state's LEAP data, which you can find here. If you follow that link and compare the 2007-09 budget to the 20011-13 budget, you will see that over those four years total education spending rose from $27.7B (16.4B K-12 + 10.8B higher + 0.5B other) to $29.4B, a 6.1% increase.

Now it's true those are absolute numbers that don't account for inflation and population growth. (Since the graph was in absolute numbers, I needed to give you absolute numbers to counter it.) If you look up inflation and population growth over that time, you find it is about 10%. So in real, per-capita terms, during the worst economic downturn since the great depression, state spending on education has dropped by a measly 4%. That's the first drop in those terms you'll find for as far back as the LEAP records go.

So how does the "Budget and Policy Center", a think tank whose mission statement says it exists to "support the essential role of government in promoting a just and prosperous society", turn 4% into 25%? For a clue, read more of the fine print on that graph, where is says "Reductions are based on most relevant maintainance levels". Clearly they do not believe "relevant maintaince levels" means "inflation plus population growth". Perhaps they believe "relevant maintaince levels" means "as fast as we would like to see it rise".
Posted by David Wright on November 16, 2011 at 10:41 PM
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Homogenous societies? Race and class?
Been to France since World War ll to see their economic profile?
Seen the income and racial disparity in Brazil?
Been to Australia since Hong Kong got handed over and Lebanon exploded?

Of course not.

Excuses. And tired excuses. That's all you've got?

Posted by Zok on November 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM
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@20 wins Game. Set. Match.
Posted by Zok on November 16, 2011 at 10:46 PM
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@11Hmmmm...well, I'm glad you're at least thinking about things. But it's silly to justify such ridiculous increases in spending (increases that Will doesn't think are happening), when schools aren't really doing any better at teaching the basics. Are we paying teachers more? Sure? Is that a good thing? Generally.

But the increases in pay don't explain things nearly as well as the increases in hiring. 10% increase in students equals 95% increase in faculty.

Like I said, for the right, you can't spend enough on the military, no matter what the facts are. For the left, it's education.
Posted by LJM on November 16, 2011 at 10:49 PM

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