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Occupy / Nerd Occupy Sin City
Posted by Paul Constant on Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:52 AM
Frank Miller, who is responsible for the worst comics-to-film adaptation I've ever seen and who hasn't made a good comic book since 1992, has published an anti-Occupy Wall Street rant on his blog. Bleeding Cool helpfully reprints the rant so you don't have to give Miller the hits:
Everybody’s been too damn polite about this nonsense:
The “Occupy” movement, whether displaying itself on Wall Street or in the streets of Oakland (which has, with unspeakable cowardice, embraced it) is anything but an exercise of our blessed First Amendment. “Occupy” is nothing but a pack of louts, thieves, and rapists, an unruly mob, fed by Woodstock-era nostalgia and putrid false righteousness. These clowns can do nothing but harm America.
“Occupy” is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly-expressed attempt at anarchy, to the extent that the “movement” – HAH! Some “movement”, except if the word “bowel” is attached – is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves.
This is no popular uprising. This is garbage. And goodness knows they’re spewing their garbage – both politically and physically – every which way they can find.
Wake up, pond scum. America is at war against a ruthless enemy.
Then, of course, he ties this all in with the War on Terror, because 9/11 broke what's left of Frank Miller's brain. (I never got a review copy of Miller's latest comic, Holy Terror, but this is a great piece of writing about it.) You should go read the whole rant. My favorite part is when he tells the kids to get off his lawn and go play "Lords of Warcraft [sic]."
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Because the fringe elements have totally upstaged the core peaceful protesters, such sentiments are inevitable. And a number of sloggers share them, far less abrasively, to some degree or another. Occupy’s stains can’t be removed.
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I agree fully that Frank's politics are douchy as the rest of those teabag douchebags who got even douchier when they realized they'd given their movement same name as a sex act.
I concur that his comics have sailed superior to the squalous (on waterskis!)
No argument, The Spirit was replete with suckiosity. Those of its problems that weren't directorial were screenwriterly. Better comic book adaptations have been made by assholes who didn't know they were adapting a comic.
But THE WORST? Obviously, my friend, you have not seen the offense to the senses that is the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
I concur that his comics have sailed superior to the squalous (on waterskis!)
No argument, The Spirit was replete with suckiosity. Those of its problems that weren't directorial were screenwriterly. Better comic book adaptations have been made by assholes who didn't know they were adapting a comic.
But THE WORST? Obviously, my friend, you have not seen the offense to the senses that is the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
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Gee, what's eating him? I mean, really, somethings eating that guy. The crowds have been polite and respectful. They've expressed a pretty accurate list of complaints. He needs medication. Or is it he knows they're right?
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Another cranky old fuck in a high tax bracket who doesn't like it when poor folks criticize their social betters. How novel.
Turning Batman into Dirty Harry with a cape and ripping off film noir clichés doesn't translate into nuanced, intelligent political commentary, as it turns out.
Turning Batman into Dirty Harry with a cape and ripping off film noir clichés doesn't translate into nuanced, intelligent political commentary, as it turns out.
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Looks like Holy Terror is just V for Vendetta, but a version that portrays the government as the good guys.
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It is not that America does not like revolutionaries...it is that we dont like failed revolutionaries.
Like in 1968...when parts of the Estblishment started coming out in favor of the counter culture...it was because they thought they might win.
But once rifles beat flowers...see you later.
Like in 1968...when parts of the Estblishment started coming out in favor of the counter culture...it was because they thought they might win.
But once rifles beat flowers...see you later.
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i think someone on here is confusing frank miller with alan moore. get yer graphic novel authors right, kiddo.
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No, I think I got them right, if you mean me. Glancing over the description of Miller's graphic novel, I thought it sounded like he was rewriting Moore's work, only instead of portraying the government as oppressive and intolerant, as Moore does, Miller portrays the authorities as the good guys.
No, I think I got them right, if you mean me. Glancing over the description of Miller's graphic novel, I thought it sounded like he was rewriting Moore's work, only instead of portraying the government as oppressive and intolerant, as Moore does, Miller portrays the authorities as the good guys.
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The true 99% tells OWS to sod itself....
The Oakland police union has called for the protesters to leave after a man was shot to death near their protest site on Thursday.
The Oakland Police Officers Association, in an open letter to the protesters on Friday, said officers sympathized with their movement but that the city was in a "state of emergency" and asked them to leave.
"You have sent the world a strong message; now it is time to go home. Your leaving today, peacefully, of your own free will, on the 30th day, will send a message to Oakland that you care about our citizens and respect our city," the union said.
The Oakland police union has called for the protesters to leave after a man was shot to death near their protest site on Thursday.
The Oakland Police Officers Association, in an open letter to the protesters on Friday, said officers sympathized with their movement but that the city was in a "state of emergency" and asked them to leave.
"You have sent the world a strong message; now it is time to go home. Your leaving today, peacefully, of your own free will, on the 30th day, will send a message to Oakland that you care about our citizens and respect our city," the union said.
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@12: "i think someone on here is confusing frank miller with alan moore. get yer graphic novel authors right, kiddo."
Alan Moore needs to consult his dark gods and cast a shut the ever loving fuck up curse on Frank Miller.
Alan Moore needs to consult his dark gods and cast a shut the ever loving fuck up curse on Frank Miller.
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I find it amusing that you can take everything he has to say about Occupy and apply it to any number of characters from his comics.
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Just sounds like the left wing vitriol aimed at the teabaggers for the past 2 years.
My side is right, your side is wrong, etc.
My side is right, your side is wrong, etc.
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@19. Some from Occupy Oakland (aka Lord of the flies) told NPR and the Chronicle that the victim was a camp regular. Judging how Occupiers assaulted journalists at the scene they sure seem opposed to a free press documenting their activities.
Which reminds me why has Occupy Seattle stopped posting their GA minutes after all the talk about drugs, drinking and violence at SCCC were posted?
Which reminds me why has Occupy Seattle stopped posting their GA minutes after all the talk about drugs, drinking and violence at SCCC were posted?
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"Old man who used to write comic books thinks he has an important opinion about politics to share with you."
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It's so sad to see grown people afraid of the boogie man. And why on earth does he call the Occupiers "rapists"? That was out of left field.
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@23: everyone know that when hippies get high on that damn reefer, the first thing they do is rape your daughter.
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This guy writes comics and he considers himself one of the "working people". He IS one of the spoiled brats that has cruised through life. Hey Frank, I served for 8 years as an Army medic and I am one of the 99%, what the fuck have you done?
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Why the fuck is anyone paying attention to him? Sure, DKR was, let's be honest, pretty g_ddamn good. and his Sin City books were awesome.
But, hell, DKSA? Shit. The fuck is Frank Miller allowed to communicate with people? Shouldn't he be in a retirement home, shitting his diapers, drooling, and yelling at kids to get off his lawn?
But, hell, DKSA? Shit. The fuck is Frank Miller allowed to communicate with people? Shouldn't he be in a retirement home, shitting his diapers, drooling, and yelling at kids to get off his lawn?
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@24- I just did some googling and it seems that one guy was arrested for rape at the OWS site. And the Right Wing Echo Chamber is DELIGHTED by this news. It's not a pretty story from any angle, it has nothing to do with the political issues, and its probably the only thing some people know about OWS.
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" it has nothing to do with the political issues"
How does your foot taste? If a teabagger had raped someone at one of their rallies would you be so generous to disassociate the group's politics from its actions?
Btw add assault with a broken bottle (Occupy Seattle!), OD's (Occupy Portland!), guns and shooting (Occupy Vermont!) to the ever growing list at these Lord of the flies camps.
How does your foot taste? If a teabagger had raped someone at one of their rallies would you be so generous to disassociate the group's politics from its actions?
Btw add assault with a broken bottle (Occupy Seattle!), OD's (Occupy Portland!), guns and shooting (Occupy Vermont!) to the ever growing list at these Lord of the flies camps.
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The teabaggerhead rallies were centrally funded and orchestrated. They were short, discrete shows, a couple hours with featured speakers, scripted talking-points, heavily covered by the media, or at least Fox News.
Occupy is an actual grass-roots uprising, not organized, not funded, not orchestrated for positive media impact. It's open-ended and ongoing and anyone can wander into it.
If the media wants to find things to criticize about it, it's not too hard, and they DO want to find things to criticize.
And there you have it. The Establishment speaks, using their usual apparatus.
Occupy is an actual grass-roots uprising, not organized, not funded, not orchestrated for positive media impact. It's open-ended and ongoing and anyone can wander into it.
If the media wants to find things to criticize about it, it's not too hard, and they DO want to find things to criticize.
And there you have it. The Establishment speaks, using their usual apparatus.
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Why are all you people up in Seattle talking about Frank Miller? Why dont't we debate something of real National value? Let me see!!! Washington State! Did you here the one about Jayme Biendl? The lady Correctional Officer who was strangeld to death in the chapel at Monroe Correctional Complex? Did you know that the 14th Amendment is a proibition on every state in our Union? Including Washington state. The state of Washington denied Jayme equal protection of the laws. by denying her equal protective gun tower coverage. "No State Shall Deny Any Citizen Of That State Equal Protection Of The Laws."see http://www.blurb.com/books/2526697
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Rapists?
Wha? Frank Miller is worried about vegan liberal... rapists?
This is from the guy who can't draw or write anything that doesn't include a woman being raped and murdered?
Okayeeee, Frank. Now go back inside. Mattlock and Judge Judy will be on in a little bit. I'm making those scones you like. Now be good lad and and come back inside and put your sweater on. You know how you scare the nieghborhood dogs when yell on the porch like that.
Wha? Frank Miller is worried about vegan liberal... rapists?
This is from the guy who can't draw or write anything that doesn't include a woman being raped and murdered?
Okayeeee, Frank. Now go back inside. Mattlock and Judge Judy will be on in a little bit. I'm making those scones you like. Now be good lad and and come back inside and put your sweater on. You know how you scare the nieghborhood dogs when yell on the porch like that.
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@29
The large Teabagger rallies were financed. All the thousands of small ones around the nation that started the movement, weren't. Most the thousands of people who organized, started mailing lists, got out the vote for the tea baggers were volunteers. Saying they were simply 'built by the Koch brothers and Fox' is as intellectually vacuous and lazy as right wingers saying Soros and Acorn financed Obama's win and are financing the Occupy movements. If you don't understand your enemy you are doomed to failure.
Plus, the tea baggers turned their movement into victory at the polls. Occupy is just filling jails cells and turning into a Lord of the Flies nightmare of murders, rapes, assaults, drugs and boozing. Sorry, but the 99% does not accept socialism and anarchism as their future. You will not win squat at the polls. SO keep on twinkling your fingers, your movement will be over by Xmas; the 99% are fed up and our parks will soon be returned to us.
The large Teabagger rallies were financed. All the thousands of small ones around the nation that started the movement, weren't. Most the thousands of people who organized, started mailing lists, got out the vote for the tea baggers were volunteers. Saying they were simply 'built by the Koch brothers and Fox' is as intellectually vacuous and lazy as right wingers saying Soros and Acorn financed Obama's win and are financing the Occupy movements. If you don't understand your enemy you are doomed to failure.
Plus, the tea baggers turned their movement into victory at the polls. Occupy is just filling jails cells and turning into a Lord of the Flies nightmare of murders, rapes, assaults, drugs and boozing. Sorry, but the 99% does not accept socialism and anarchism as their future. You will not win squat at the polls. SO keep on twinkling your fingers, your movement will be over by Xmas; the 99% are fed up and our parks will soon be returned to us.
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"It's open-ended and ongoing and anyone can wander into it."
It's a fucking punchline. Enjoy sleeping in the cold, shitting in a bucket and sleeping with one eye open in case you crack head/smackheaf tent mate wants your shit at 2am.
It's a fucking punchline. Enjoy sleeping in the cold, shitting in a bucket and sleeping with one eye open in case you crack head/smackheaf tent mate wants your shit at 2am.
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Hey another OD in Portland. That's the third. Something tells me the 99% aren't smack heads.
Plus one sensible person tipped off the police to rocksand sticks protesters were collecting to attack police with when the lawfully clear the park of illegal tents. Gonna be fun watching anarchists getting their heads smacked in Portland tonight. Thank you PPD!
Plus one sensible person tipped off the police to rocksand sticks protesters were collecting to attack police with when the lawfully clear the park of illegal tents. Gonna be fun watching anarchists getting their heads smacked in Portland tonight. Thank you PPD!
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So - he's upset about a group of independent people using their own methods to establish hope and justice in a system that tries to crush both...
And he used to write Batman? Hurm.
And he used to write Batman? Hurm.
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@28- I haven't tasted my foot in years, but me recollection of childish experiments leads me to believe it would taste about like it smells.
And speaking of things in my mouth, you're putting words in there I've never spoken. Now I've certainly pointed out that the Teabaggers liked to display firearms and imply they'll violently overthrow the government if they don't get what they want, but that is political.
And speaking of things in my mouth, you're putting words in there I've never spoken. Now I've certainly pointed out that the Teabaggers liked to display firearms and imply they'll violently overthrow the government if they don't get what they want, but that is political.
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@34- ". Something tells me the 99% aren't smack heads."
Something like the simple logic that 99% of the population isn't addicted to heroin? No, probably you don't understand what the 99% is: It's the 99% of the population that is being disenfranchised in favor of non-human corporate entities and a very small minority.
Of course most junkies are of the 99%. The 1% does cocaine and recreational prescriptions and they OD in their bathtubs or outside of clubs in NY, London, LA, etc...
Something like the simple logic that 99% of the population isn't addicted to heroin? No, probably you don't understand what the 99% is: It's the 99% of the population that is being disenfranchised in favor of non-human corporate entities and a very small minority.
Of course most junkies are of the 99%. The 1% does cocaine and recreational prescriptions and they OD in their bathtubs or outside of clubs in NY, London, LA, etc...
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He isn't totally wrong. A woman at occupy Philadelphia was raped. It is time for the occupy movement to pack it up for safety and health reasons.
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The rape was horrific and tragic, but one rape out of hundreds of cities over dozens of days means that an entire movement should end? Should you have dissolved the union after the first rape in the US?
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@40 Two rapes. One in NYC one in Philly. 3 OD's in Occupy Portland, several assaults in Occupy Seattle, one shooting at Occupy Burlington, one murder at Occupy Oakland. plus hundreds of drug arrests, public drinking, TB, rats etc. etc.
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Whoops, 4 ODs at occupy Portland. One more yesterday.
But keep trying to claim this just 'mirrors society', if only for shits and giggles.
But keep trying to claim this just 'mirrors society', if only for shits and giggles.
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This has confirmed what many of us have known for years: that Frank Miller is just Al Capp in bad drag.
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Shorter Frank Miller: You fools! If you raise Bruce Wayne's taxes, he'll have to sell the Batmobile and then who will protect us from The Penguin?!!!
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It's sad that Frank has been sucking at art making for a few years now, but the rapes, assaults, possible homicide and OD's of OWS suck way more.
The one spot you nail is "9/11 broke what's left of Frank Miller's brain". Soooo true. DK2 wasn't half of what it should've been, and much behind-the-back whispers in the industry have said that the last half of DK2 was supposed to've been a much different story altogether.
I suppose we should sorta pity a man like Frank who's been charged with/took on being a Mythkeeper- he knows and re-tells the big hero stories of our last/current century. These heroes = Bigger than life bulletproof americans, mainly. When our landscape and patriotism took a hit like 9/11, it warped the quasi reality he'd been weaving for decades (not to mention the too eerie foretelling his art made in DK1 when the nuke/EMP knocked planes out of the sky).
His Cap'n America, with 2 holes in the supposedly indestructable shield, says a few more than the usual thousand words: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrdf6u…
oh yeah and @4 you suck and fail at comic trivia. For starters: Stop typing while staring at yourself in your troll mirror. Next: Alan Moore =/= Frank Miller, brainless shitcock
The one spot you nail is "9/11 broke what's left of Frank Miller's brain". Soooo true. DK2 wasn't half of what it should've been, and much behind-the-back whispers in the industry have said that the last half of DK2 was supposed to've been a much different story altogether.
I suppose we should sorta pity a man like Frank who's been charged with/took on being a Mythkeeper- he knows and re-tells the big hero stories of our last/current century. These heroes = Bigger than life bulletproof americans, mainly. When our landscape and patriotism took a hit like 9/11, it warped the quasi reality he'd been weaving for decades (not to mention the too eerie foretelling his art made in DK1 when the nuke/EMP knocked planes out of the sky).
His Cap'n America, with 2 holes in the supposedly indestructable shield, says a few more than the usual thousand words: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrdf6u…
oh yeah and @4 you suck and fail at comic trivia. For starters: Stop typing while staring at yourself in your troll mirror. Next: Alan Moore =/= Frank Miller, brainless shitcock
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@35: "So - he's upset about a group of independent people using their own methods to establish hope and justice in a system that tries to crush both...
And he used to write Batman? Hurm."
Maybe he just got off on the violence.
And he used to write Batman? Hurm."
Maybe he just got off on the violence.
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I love that he's a working writer but this reads like your standard Youtube comments section tirade by some anonymous douchebag.
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Miller's rant was as inane as it was uninformed. His thoughts on politics are as silly and childish as his prose. Through his work in other mediums, Miller has unknowingly set out to prove he really shouldn't be doing anything outside of comics with little to no bearing on every day life. So far, he's doing a fine job.
I have to wonder, though, Paul. You say he "hasn't made a good comic book since 1992". This means you think Hard Boiled and Robo-Cop versus Terminator were good, but have nothing but disdain for the Sin City books, the majority of his Martha Washington tales, and The Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot. Martha probably represents the best prose and narrative of his career. There are whole books of the Sin City set which are brilliant as comics (whatever you might think of their intentionally ridiculous violence). And The Big is just fun. You're weird, Paul.
I have to wonder, though, Paul. You say he "hasn't made a good comic book since 1992". This means you think Hard Boiled and Robo-Cop versus Terminator were good, but have nothing but disdain for the Sin City books, the majority of his Martha Washington tales, and The Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot. Martha probably represents the best prose and narrative of his career. There are whole books of the Sin City set which are brilliant as comics (whatever you might think of their intentionally ridiculous violence). And The Big is just fun. You're weird, Paul.
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