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Wednesday, November 9, 2011

No Bridge for You! (Southwest WA Rejects Tolls, So Fuck 'Em)

Posted by on Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:26 PM

Tim Eyman's anti-tolling/anti-light-rail Initiative 1125 will fail—not by as wide a margin as a lot of us had expected, but its current two-point margin of defeat will only widen as ballot returns from lumbering King County gradually make up a larger percentage of the statewide totals.

Curiously, one of the areas of the state were I-1125 fared best was Southwest Washington, in a region stretching along the Columbia River from Wahkiakum County in the west, to Benton County in the east, and north to Lewis, Yakima, Franklin, and Kittitas, a swath of contiguous counties that supported I-1125 with decisive majorities ranging from 59 to 63 percent.

Wow. These voters really hate the notion of tolling.

And yet, without toll revenue to pay off its bonds and fund its ongoing maintenance, the proposed new $3.6 billion Columbia River Crossing bridge just wouldn't be possible. Which tells me that a strong majority of Southwest Washingtonians just don't want this bridge.

Which is fine by me. I mean, surely, they can't really expect us here in the Puget Sound region to toll and tax ourselves to pay for our new infrastructure, while giving our neighbors down south a free ride across a bridge they'll mostly use to cheat us out of their sales tax dollars by shopping across the river in Oregon, can they?

 

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Simply Me 1
They also cheat Oregon out of the income tax revenue by living in Washington and working in Portland.
Posted by Simply Me on November 9, 2011 at 12:36 PM
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My partner works at a retail store on the Northern Oregon Border - just across 205 for Vancouver drivers... These tax-cheating ass wipes regularly drive the 3 minutes it takes to cross the bridge then when they don't get EXACTLY the customer service, price, etc they feel they deserve they all whine "But I came all the way from Vancouver" - Cheap assholes.
Posted by Kelly L on November 9, 2011 at 12:40 PM
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@ simply Me - If they work in Oregon it IS taxed.
Posted by Kelly L on November 9, 2011 at 12:41 PM
Matt from Denver 4
@ 1, @ 3 is right. I remember an article years ago that listed Clark County (WA) as Oregon's third or fourth highest in revenue generated from income tax.

The way to cheat the system is to live AND work in Vancouver, but shop in Portland.
Posted by Matt from Denver on November 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM
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I5 is a pretty important corridor, so having a good bridge matters. I'd say that we should jack up the toll, to disincentivize the tax cheats; if they have to fork over five bucks in tolls, they'll think twice about driving an extra ten minutes to save sales tax. The locals have already signaled that they'll take any toll as unacceptable, so they've left little room for, or need to, compromise.

Also, isn't it illegal to import significant items (furniture, say, or electronics) and not pay sales tax? If indeed it isn't illegal - and I'm very much not an expert - shouldn't it be? I suppose enforcement would be well-nigh impossible, though.
Posted by Warren Terra on November 9, 2011 at 12:54 PM
Kinison 6
@ Goldy "$3.6 billion Columbia River Crossing bridge "

Its called the Interstate Bridge. But what I find curious is how Goldy was against the Viaduct Tunnel partly because the tolls would create alot of gridlock (people would avoid them and use surface streets) and are unfair to the citizens of Seattle. But tolls everywhere else in the state, thats ok?

We practiced democracy yesterday and it turned out well, that alone is worth celebrating. But by all means, continue to attack the rest of the state population for not voting exactly the way you wanted. "Stupid people, why are you so stupid!!? Why are not you not smart like me!!!?".
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on November 9, 2011 at 1:00 PM
Will in Seattle 7
Totally agree.

If you live in a county that voted for 1125, it's time for us in the taxpaying areas to stop subsidizing your stupidity.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 9, 2011 at 1:10 PM
SPG 8
They're not against tolling per se, they're against getting their bridge, then paying a toll on it, then having that money pay for ohidon'tknow, a tunnel through Seattle or a bridge over Lake Washington.
I'm not saying they're right, in fact I voted against this stupidity, but it's important to know the why in these things not just the who and what.
Posted by SPG on November 9, 2011 at 1:13 PM
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@8 way to knock down Goldy's strawman.

Posted by bornhere on November 9, 2011 at 2:53 PM
Will in Seattle 10
@8 and I'm against them using my tax dollars.

Fuck em.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 9, 2011 at 2:58 PM
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 11
@8

But you can see why Goldy is so angry all the time. He lives in a world filled with demons and devils. They're not real, but he thinks they are.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn on November 9, 2011 at 3:45 PM
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I think the converse here is remarkable to me. King County voted overwhelmingly against Eyman's latest harebrained initiative even though we King County residents are the very constituents who are going to be subjected to tolls the most. It's kinda like if we'd had a chance to vote on the draft going into WWII and the biggest pro-draft demographic was people of draft age.

Aside from SW WA, most of the most anti-toll counties have no skin in the game to begin with, and their anti-toll votes are a way of one part of the state telling another part of the state what to do. And I can assure you, they don't like it when we stick our noses into their business.
Posted by cressona on November 9, 2011 at 3:59 PM
SPG 13
@12 Of course those counties don't want us to tell them how to spend our money, but they shouldn't feel obligated to tell us how to spend our own money either. We should just stop giving them any of our money and see how long it is before they change their anti tax tune.
Posted by SPG on November 9, 2011 at 5:30 PM

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