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Wednesday, October 26, 2011

State of the Occupy Movement

Posted by on Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:26 PM

KOMO radio invited me on this afternoon to talk about about the state of Occupy Seattle, which I've done about a dozen times over the last couple weeks, but this invitation was a little more skeptical than usual. The producer wanted me to talk about "what's left of the Occupy Seattle movement."

So I went down to Westlake Park this morning. The first thing I noticed was this:

One of the parks granite pillars had been spray painted with the stencil of a police officer beating a man and another man trying to hold back the cops nightstick.
  • One of the park's granite pillars had been spray painted with the stencil of a police officer beating a man and another man trying to hold back the cop's nightstick.

Just beyond the graffiti was an easel holding a whiteboard with the words "upcoming events." There were no events written on the whiteboard (even though there's a big Occupy dance party later today, and several demonstrations over the next week, including a protest of the Chase CEO Jamie Dimon). Three people were sitting under a blue canopy, including a friendly woman with a brown dog stuffed half into her winter coat, and ten people who appeared to be part of the protest were nearby. The folks under the tent explained that lots of homeless people were attracted to food, hand warmers, and other provisions. And true that: About ten homeless youth were standing a short ways off.

Last night, the general assembly was "really, really big, with about 100 people," one of the men said, but only 10 or 15 people slept at Westlake Park last night.

So what is the state of the Occupy movement?

In Seattle, it's been a week of internal struggle between more radical and less radical occupiers, with a depletion of mainstream supporters who flocked to the national day of action on October 15. There have been long meetings, rain, and a decision to move the nighttime base camp this Saturday to the Seattle Central Community College campus.

In a snapshot, the movement looks a little atrophied. Even overcome by a distracting anti-cop sentiment (for the record, we're not talking anti-police brutality or anti-abuse of power, which are just causes, but raw anti-cop anger and graffiti). But zoom out and consider the big picture over time. Occupy may be much stronger and influential than a bunch of people standing around an empty whiteboard.

The New York Times reported this morning on a poll that suggests the values and message of Occupy Wall Street is framing the way Americans think about the economy:

With nearly all Americans remaining fearful that the economy is stagnating or deteriorating further, two-thirds of the public said that wealth should be distributed more evenly in the country. Seven in 10 Americans think the policies of Congressional Republicans favor the rich. Two-thirds object to tax cuts for corporations and a similar number prefer increasing income taxes on millionaires.

Likewise, David Freiboth, executive secretary of the massive King County Labor Council, says impacts are visible in the bigger picture. "It could be a mistake to read too much into what is happening with the structure of the protests," says Freiboth. "I think the germane point in the popular uprising is that it has changed the discussion we are having publicly about economic disparity and what's really going on with the economy. So in that regard, it's been success."

As for the ongoing role of labor unions, which have toed the line between supporting the Occupy protests and not imposing on them, Feiboth says, "I think we continue to talk about labor's message about the economy in terms of what we think should be done: Progressive taxation and workers rights are really key to maintaining the middle class and real job creation."

Seattle activists say they're just getting started. "We protested, we gained support—and we can always use more support—and now you are start seeing some tactics, including protest directly at banks," says says Occupy Seattle spokeswoman Aliana Bazara. "To people who says it's fizzling, it's not."

 

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Cato the Younger Younger 1
Vandalism of a public park, not a bank mind you, but a public park really doesn't make me have warm fuzzies about the Seattle Occupy. It's that sort of shit that the corporate media LOVES to point out.

And where is Occupy Seattle protesting at these days? I've only seen a handful at Westlake in the early AM going to work and maybe a dozen or so in the the afternoon.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 26, 2011 at 12:36 PM
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Tip: there are ALWAYS homeless kids around Westlake. They like to hang out in front of the Ride the Ducks dropoff point by the newspaper stands across the street.
Posted by The CHZA on October 26, 2011 at 12:37 PM
Matt the Engineer 3
I'm surprised the movement has lasted this long. It's cold out there, especially if you have no tent and you're sleeping under a tarp on the cold ground.

Maybe a handful of hearty protesters can keep it going until spring.
Posted by Matt the Engineer on October 26, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Mahtli69 4
I find it promising to see an ABC News headline talking about the enormous growth in income of the top 1% since 1979. That headline would not exist with the Occupy protests, and that issue is the root of the problem.
Posted by Mahtli69 on October 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Posted by Urgutha Forka on October 26, 2011 at 12:50 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 6

Sticking around for the eventual water cannons doesn't seem like the optimal strategy...no matter the fervor of the participant.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://yrihf.com on October 26, 2011 at 12:56 PM
Sargon Bighorn 7
The BASTARDS spray painted the granite! Fucking jerks. How about they destroy their own fuckin property, huh?
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on October 26, 2011 at 1:03 PM
giffy 8
What's missing is some way to get involved if you don't want to go hang out in a park, sleep on the ground, and occasionally march somewhere. A real movement has many different easily accessible ways to get to involved for people who are not interesting in, or lack the time to, protest and attend 4 hour meetings.

The problem is that the impetus beyond this to some extent comes from people who looks down upon the less committed or those who favor different means.

I support a lot of the aims, but have no desire to create something myself, lead anything, or take part in way that requires to much time or annoyance.
Posted by giffy on October 26, 2011 at 1:04 PM
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I still believe that the ground occupied in Seattle is less important than ongoing, escalating actions. What do I mean by escalating? Once you've turned out a hundred people, you have to turn out 250. 250 to 500; 500-1500; onward and upward. And the targets have to become more interesting, the events more photogenic/creative.

I'm really, really looking forward to November 5th. A massive, and national outpouring of folks willing to move their bank accounts will be - to use the overused - awesome! Laptops set up to allow people to close their accounts on line in case there are no banks to get into, or if access is barred/restricted. Big bank effigies that could be sledge-hammered into rubble. Mock trials of big bank CEO's. etc.
Posted by Richard Wells on October 26, 2011 at 1:14 PM
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All aboard the Fail Boat
Posted by North American Speckled Fleebeedoo on October 26, 2011 at 1:21 PM
Jessica 11
In theory I support the OWS movement. But hey, 99%ers? The rest of the 99% also pay taxes on that pillar, and we'd prefer it if you stopped pissing in the communal cereal bowl. Spray-painting and stenciling and vandalizing public property is just stupid.
Posted by Jessica on October 26, 2011 at 1:24 PM
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The vandalism is unfortunate, and I'm sure most of us wish it hadn't happened. It's detrimental to public enjoyment of the park, and (obviously) the perception of the movement.

To giffy (and anyone else who is interested in being involved), the Occupy Seattle Outreach working group is brainstorming some neighborhood service projects. If you're interested in hearing about them as we develop details (or if you have ideas), please email us at OccupySeattleORD@gmail.com.
Posted by onepapership on October 26, 2011 at 1:24 PM
Matt the Engineer 13
@8 Why not set up an "Occupy Internet comment areas"! I'd be down with that. I think most of us here would.
Posted by Matt the Engineer on October 26, 2011 at 1:25 PM
DOUG. 14
That is not a good stencil.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on October 26, 2011 at 1:27 PM
Will in Seattle 15
Taggers should be shot.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 26, 2011 at 1:31 PM
lark 17
Dominic,
The spray painting vandalism is unacceptable. I had a little empathy when the movement started but not anymore.
This is ridiculous. The movement is diminishing anyway. There's no local or national leader of the movement. And, public squares are being cleared out. Stick a fork in it, it's done.
Posted by lark on October 26, 2011 at 1:37 PM
pdonahue 18
If you want a lot of loud, hands on class warfare fun, go to the friday auction of foreclosed property the county holds (outside) on the steps of the King Co Admin blding(4th & James). OS and about three other groups all come down and try and outshout the property brokers and the bidding agents scrabbling over the bones of somebody's broken dream. Foreclosure is reaching epidemic proportions in King co and the trail of dirty tricks and fraud by the banks and mortgage brokers is deep and wide. Bring popcorn and watch or just get angry enough to step away from the keyboard and do something. Doesn't take much time 10am-noon every friday.
Posted by pdonahue on October 26, 2011 at 1:42 PM
Fnarf 19
It's clear that this, uh, movement needs to come up with something a little more intelligent and a little more media-friendly before it disappears up its own ass. A handful of dumbshits in tents is not a revolution. The Human Megaphone is not a strategy. Violent confrontations with the police is not a way forward. You got nothing, in other words.

One thing you could be doing is Occupying Your Elected Officials. Why aren't you occupying Jim McDermott's office, or Maria Cantwell's? With signs referencing income-inequality facts, not bandanas over your faces?

You look ridiculous as it is, and ridiculous isn't going to get any bills introduced.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 26, 2011 at 1:45 PM
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Acts of vandalism like this make me want to join the 1%.
Posted by NapoleonXIV on October 26, 2011 at 1:54 PM
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There is a reason the OccupySeattle movement is fizzling, but no one wants to talk about it. Polite company insists that we must not say anything negative about the organization of the local movement. Even asking questions about strategy is taken as an offense against previous decisions, even if those decisions were bad or made by a crew of "whoever was there at the time", the most notable example of which is occupying (and continuing to occupy) Westlake.

From the very beginning of the occupation, people tried to stop Westlake as the location, or even tried to just take a week to do research and come up with more options. No, the zealots insisted on starting the occupation immediately, at Westlake, with no planning, no permits, no overall strategy for how to grow the movement. In the initial excitement, this was OK, as we had enough numbers to replenish the troops at the occupation. But as governmental resistance increased, local businesses complained, weather got worse, and arrests started mounting, people were worn out by this misguided decision. We got a couple life-lines, such as the "night of 500 tents", which netted about 150 tents only and gave the movement a brief reinjection of energy. But it didn't last.

OccupySeattle has suffered massively due to this failure. Instead of picking a place that can accommodate growing support, where people could put up tents and exist humanely, the loudest voices kept chanting Westlake at all costs. Anyone who questioned this, or god forbid tried to negotiate for a different location, were attacked, ostracized and driven from the organization. You can look around the nation at other occupations such as Boston, LA, Dallas and NY for examples of how to build a sustainable occupation. Seattle is but a shadow of these other occupations.

There are zealots amongst the crowd of Seattle occupiers with various agendas. If you say something that does not agree with their agenda, you might be branded things such as 1) traitor 2) corporate shill 3) took the blue pill not the red pill 4) stupid 5) anti-free speech, etc. etc. etc. If you don’t want to stay at Westlake, well, you just don’t understand the word “disobedience” in “civil disobedience”. People have been character assassinated at some of the various working groups, general assemblies and most certainly online. Why would anyone in their right mind want to support this movement and deal with this kind of treatment?

Finally, let us not forget the influence of the anarchist movement, which no one, the Stranger included, seems to want to report on. Numerous anarchists are very influential in keeping Westlake as the focus. I guess it’s something to do with WTO riots from a fucking decade ago. Who wants to go up against a group of people who have no respect for the rule of law? Given their aggressive tactics towards anyone who disagrees with them, what’s to stop them from vandalizing your property? Or assaulting you? Or defaming you? Nothing. I’m not going to get in their way. Nope, sorry, my life ain’t that bad that I’m going to make myself the target. So I guess that makes me a stupid corporate blue pill sellout who doesn’t know the meaning of civil disobedience.

So, there you have it. In Seattle, we have not united the 99%. We had a different 1% that is shouting down, misleading, persuading and manipulating the 98% into going along with their bad strategy.
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Posted by Your new boyfriend on October 26, 2011 at 2:02 PM
Fnarf 22
@21, this is the second time I've heard someone mention "the 98%". I'll get behind that.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on October 26, 2011 at 2:04 PM
trstr 23
Here's the whiteboard as of an hour ago: http://lockerz.com/s/150518939

Looks pretty full to me.

Also, there's the calendar at http://occupyseattle.org/calendar , which lists a whole bevy of events. I realize that not everyone has internet access, but...
Posted by trstr on October 26, 2011 at 2:35 PM
Cato the Younger Younger 24
@23, does the whiteboard include vandalism of public property?
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 26, 2011 at 2:49 PM
trstr 25
@24 No, the whiteboard does not include the communal property destroyed and confiscated by SPD and Parks. I'll notify them of the omission.
Posted by trstr on October 26, 2011 at 3:05 PM
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Jesus people. The spray paint does not represent all of the protesters/occupiers.

It would be like if I assumed all the slog readers were represented by one asshat's post.

I am someone who has spent a lot of time down at Westlake, and frankly, the graffiti bums me out (partially because it adds in to the negative, and frankly lazy, stereotypes).

I am a huge fan of public spaces, I absolutely feel that the protesters should be able to find a permanent home in Westlake, even after hours, but I also feel that the protesters (myself included) need to respect that public space!

If you at all support, empathize, or even slightly agree with the movement, I recommend you try communicating and throwing your voice in to the mix (I mean aside from snarky comments to online articles).

I am going to take my own advice and head down to a City Council meeting, then out to Westlake for a little music and dancing. Check out the occupyseattle.org calendar for stuff going on that you, too, can support, and perhaps even enjoy, should you feel inclined.
Posted by zimbo on October 26, 2011 at 3:17 PM
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I feel like this movement should have been named Troll Seattle and should have taken place at the Fremont Troll.
Posted by trollolol on October 26, 2011 at 4:14 PM
dirac 28
"Why aren't you occupying Jim McDermott's office, or Maria Cantwell's? With signs referencing income-inequality facts, not bandanas over your faces?"
Hey, we agree! The messaging of the occupation at OWS at least is focused on a culprit. It would've been nice for people to point out that our fools for Senators voted to dump the estate tax for a couple of years.

Of course, I think the rest of your criticism is lame, but I'll take what I can get. ;)
Posted by dirac on October 26, 2011 at 4:28 PM
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@19 "You got nothing, in other words."

OWS has done more to change national discourse about inequalities in a few weeks than your politics as usual have done in 3 years. YOU got nothing, pal!
Posted by anon1256 on October 26, 2011 at 6:15 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 30

Lots of free space here:

http://www1.officespace.com/Flyer.cfm?Rg…

Get a deal going...work with City to create a permanent Occupation, Inc. -- gain media attention and advertising.

The Occupation Social Network alone is worth billions.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://yrihf.com on October 26, 2011 at 8:51 PM
wilbur@work 31
Hey 12 - here's some feedback for you. Take your fucking spray can junkies and get the fuck out of town. Go jump on someone else's Bus to Trustafaria.
Posted by wilbur@work on October 26, 2011 at 9:24 PM
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Westlake is fucking ugly. It would look a hell of a lot better covered in graffiti. At least then it would represent life.

What the hell is wrong with Dominic Holden? He jumps to post some idiot's letter about "radicals infiltrating the movement" and then continues to post more and more shit that seems basically intended to deter people from coming down to participate... It's almost like he doesn't want it to succeed. Hmmmmm....
Posted by bdurruti on October 27, 2011 at 12:45 AM
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@ You say no radicals? Occupy Seattle has already announced that the Indians and Earth Mother are going to be put in charge of the United States of America:

"we prioritize the involvement of indigenous sovereign people in the redesigning and rebuilding of a new way of living on their ancestral land in the context that there is one mother of us all, our earth mother"

Try selling that to the AMerican public on election day. Cuckoooooooo….

It's Nickelsville for radicals!

While I don't support violence, I will enforce police action if they get in the way of the fucking carousel.
Posted by Sugartit on October 27, 2011 at 7:14 AM
noahveil 34
Anyone who thinks the Occupy Seattle movement is fizzling hasn't been to City Hall. We've got a permit and remain a cornerstone of the occupation, offering food, sanctuary, bathrooms, running water, electricity, internet access, and overnight camping to anyone who needs it. While the battles continue throughout the city, we will remain the home fort fighting the war.
Posted by noahveil http://www.dareland.com on October 27, 2011 at 10:20 AM
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Yes, and this photo shows what a mass of protesters you have:

http://tinyurl.com/44vofnq
Posted by Sugartit on October 27, 2011 at 10:44 AM
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Going down to the foreclosure auction on Friday is a great idea! To the Naysayers of OWS - - this national movement is only the beginning. Yeah there are some difficulties and such. What movement hasn't? The fact is people are POd big time. They are angry at the Wall Street criminals who conspired to rob them out of their homes by scandalous lending practices, they are angry that their pensions are getting raided by the corporations, they are angry that rather than being sent to prison the wanker bankers got a billion dollars of our tax dollars. They are also angry that douche bags like Stossell go on the airwaves to let us all know that it is our own damn faults, or the fault of public employees, union workers, single mothers, young people who have false sense of entitlement, immigrants, people of color, the "lazy" unemployed, or just about anyone but the top 1%.

This is why this will not fizzle no matter how much the 1% desires for this to be so.
Posted by lovesthebus on October 27, 2011 at 11:01 AM
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@36 If the 'people' are so angry, how come the WA income tax did so poorly at the ballot?
Posted by Sugartit on October 27, 2011 at 12:04 PM

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