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News & ArtsThursday, October 13, 2011
Hetero Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father
Posted by Dan Savage on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM
A gunman apparently enraged over a custody dispute walked into a crowded Seal Beach hair salon where his former wife worked and opened fire, killing eight people and critically wounding another person in the deadliest shooting in Orange County history.... Friends and witnesses who knew the salon employees said the alleged gunman was Scott Dekraai and he appeared to be targeting his former wife, who was a stylist at Salon Meritage. They said the couple had been involved in a bitter custody dispute involving their son.
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amoklauf nation business as usual. one mass killing every 2 weeks or so. and the vast majority using handguns. not knives, bats, or cars. using handguns. like the GOP and the economy, gun-right absolutists have no answers except to keep doing what's not working.
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Dogmeat. If you want to kill other people, at least have the courtesy to kill yourself when you're done. Better yet, before you start.
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@ #3 - Do you know how hard it would be to murder 8 people with a bat? Handgun violence is just one more example of American ingenuity and problem-solving. America is leading the way in time-saving mass murders.
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Not that I'm siding with POS comment #2, but how exactly is this a hetero issue...? I love most of Dan's other posts but these posts under the title "Hetero" is just annoying. =/
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Gov. Brown just signed a bill prohibiting open carry in California beginning Jan. 1, which I support. Seal Beach murderer apparently decided to beat the cutoff. But I'm sure if 10 or 12 gun-totin' righteous citizens had been standing around at various directions and distances from the action, they would have taken him out with the absolute minimum of collateral damage. 9_9
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/c…
http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/c…
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@6, and to a lesser extent @2 (because the troll knows better) - ECDaMaaF is not about showing that straight people are the worst kind of parents. It is a response to the claim from the far right that children are always better off with their biological parents and that a child raised by gays will be somehow harmed by the experience.
The point is that there's nothing magically good about straight people any more than there's anything magically evil about gay people. And at least with adoption, there's a screening process before you're allowed to have children.
This feels like a good time to point out the convenience of a Slog FAQ page.
The point is that there's nothing magically good about straight people any more than there's anything magically evil about gay people. And at least with adoption, there's a screening process before you're allowed to have children.
This feels like a good time to point out the convenience of a Slog FAQ page.
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if danny wants to show that gays are good parents why doesn't he post heartwarming stories that show that?
cause all ECDaMaaF does is try to demonstrate that straight people are the worst kind of parents.
nothing more.
if danny wants to show that gays are good parents why doesn't he post heartwarming stories that show that?
cause all ECDaMaaF does is try to demonstrate that straight people are the worst kind of parents.
nothing more.
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@10 - Maybe you'd be happier reading something more literal and direct, like Green Eggs and Ham.
Spoiler: He eats them.
Spoiler: He eats them.
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oh that poor kid. his mom is probably now dead and his father is a crazy mass murderer.
someone decent, sane and loving please adopt him.
someone decent, sane and loving please adopt him.
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@17-19- Calling other people clueless while triple posting... I applaud your ability to make an ass of yourself.
Anyway, clearly the problem isn't guns or heterosexuality, but that divorce is legal. If only that woman hadn't been allowed to leave the guy, he never would have killed a roomful of people (who weren't his blood relations.)
Anyway, clearly the problem isn't guns or heterosexuality, but that divorce is legal. If only that woman hadn't been allowed to leave the guy, he never would have killed a roomful of people (who weren't his blood relations.)
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Anyway, what strikes me about this story is that it sounds like the guy initiated the divorce, had primary custody of the child, the wife was restricted in her visits (no alcohol, etc) and he *still* went completely apeshit somewhere along the line.
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@3 Because if gun ownership was made illegal for the common citizen, criminals would immediately be turned off from using them to commit crimes, right? 9_9
I get the anti-gun person's position, it's just that I think y'all should work to make all guns disappear from the planet before taking away the law abiding citizen's ability to protect themselves equally. How's that coming along, by the way?
I get the anti-gun person's position, it's just that I think y'all should work to make all guns disappear from the planet before taking away the law abiding citizen's ability to protect themselves equally. How's that coming along, by the way?
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I fucking HATE guns, especially when they fall into the hands of sick monsters. I respect everyone's 2nd ammendment rights but somethings gotta give.
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@23: Even criminals do cost benefit analysis at some level when determining whether or not to commit a crime. The old "if you criminalize guns only criminals will have guns" line is BS. Technically, yes, that's true, because to own a gun would make you a criminal. However, the spirit of the argument also assumes all things equal, which is unlikely to be the case. If you increased the penalties for carrying a gun, I imagine you'd find people much less likely to use guns. I've lived in countries (Japan, Singapore) where gun ownership is illegal, and you don't have gangs of gun toting hooligans holding the good people of the country hostage. Granted there's a different starting point since our country is already flooded with guns, but you have to start somewhere.
I can understand the argument for gun ownership in the context of hunting rifles, or even within gun clubs (you own your gun, you keep it at the range), but if you have a hand gun in your house you have better odds of someone who lives in your house being hurt by it than you have of ever using it to defend yourself.
Second ammendment always gets cut off at the knees. I don't think most private gun owners are participating in well organized militias to defend the country from foreign invasion.
I can understand the argument for gun ownership in the context of hunting rifles, or even within gun clubs (you own your gun, you keep it at the range), but if you have a hand gun in your house you have better odds of someone who lives in your house being hurt by it than you have of ever using it to defend yourself.
Second ammendment always gets cut off at the knees. I don't think most private gun owners are participating in well organized militias to defend the country from foreign invasion.
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