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Thursday, October 13, 2011

Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father

Posted by on Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM

A gunman apparently enraged over a custody dispute walked into a crowded Seal Beach hair salon where his former wife worked and opened fire, killing eight people and critically wounding another person in the deadliest shooting in Orange County history.... Friends and witnesses who knew the salon employees said the alleged gunman was Scott Dekraai and he appeared to be targeting his former wife, who was a stylist at Salon Meritage. They said the couple had been involved in a bitter custody dispute involving their son.

 

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Cato the Younger Younger 1
A family just as Jesus and Mark Driscoll would want. Shout Glory!!
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on October 13, 2011 at 7:04 AM
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Obviously this proves all heterosexuals are bad bad parents.
Posted by donate your kids to a faggot, America on October 13, 2011 at 7:09 AM
Max Solomon 3
amoklauf nation business as usual. one mass killing every 2 weeks or so. and the vast majority using handguns. not knives, bats, or cars. using handguns. like the GOP and the economy, gun-right absolutists have no answers except to keep doing what's not working.
Posted by Max Solomon on October 13, 2011 at 7:21 AM
rob! 4
Dogmeat. If you want to kill other people, at least have the courtesy to kill yourself when you're done. Better yet, before you start.
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on October 13, 2011 at 7:31 AM
slaggy 5
@ #3 - Do you know how hard it would be to murder 8 people with a bat? Handgun violence is just one more example of American ingenuity and problem-solving. America is leading the way in time-saving mass murders.
Posted by slaggy http://www.videowatchdog.com on October 13, 2011 at 7:33 AM
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Not that I'm siding with POS comment #2, but how exactly is this a hetero issue...? I love most of Dan's other posts but these posts under the title "Hetero" is just annoying. =/
Posted by lameness on October 13, 2011 at 7:34 AM
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6 oh admit it you LOVE! the POS comment....
Posted by 'cause it's 1000% TRUE!! theTRUTHrocks&rolls on October 13, 2011 at 7:37 AM
rob! 8
Gov. Brown just signed a bill prohibiting open carry in California beginning Jan. 1, which I support. Seal Beach murderer apparently decided to beat the cutoff. But I'm sure if 10 or 12 gun-totin' righteous citizens had been standing around at various directions and distances from the action, they would have taken him out with the absolute minimum of collateral damage. 9_9

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/c…
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on October 13, 2011 at 7:39 AM
MacCrocodile 9
@6, and to a lesser extent @2 (because the troll knows better) - ECDaMaaF is not about showing that straight people are the worst kind of parents. It is a response to the claim from the far right that children are always better off with their biological parents and that a child raised by gays will be somehow harmed by the experience.

The point is that there's nothing magically good about straight people any more than there's anything magically evil about gay people. And at least with adoption, there's a screening process before you're allowed to have children.

This feels like a good time to point out the convenience of a Slog FAQ page.
Posted by MacCrocodile on October 13, 2011 at 7:47 AM
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if danny wants to show that gays are good parents why doesn't he post heartwarming stories that show that?
cause all ECDaMaaF does is try to demonstrate that straight people are the worst kind of parents.
nothing more.
Posted by not all heteros are like your parents, danny on October 13, 2011 at 8:03 AM
rob! 11
Crowdsource it like Jen Graves's 21st Century Skillz post!
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on October 13, 2011 at 8:04 AM
Rob in Baltimore 12
2, 10, You should register under the name "Amelia Bedelia".
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on October 13, 2011 at 8:33 AM
MacCrocodile 13
@10 - Maybe you'd be happier reading something more literal and direct, like Green Eggs and Ham.

Spoiler: He eats them.
Posted by MacCrocodile on October 13, 2011 at 8:55 AM
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13

Danny sure appreciates the ass kissing.
He's had a bad day.....
Posted by lichens on October 13, 2011 at 9:05 AM
Rob in Baltimore 15
14, Lets just say that the concept of subtext is just beyond your grasp.
Posted by Rob in Baltimore http://www.wishbookweb.com/ on October 13, 2011 at 9:10 AM
onion 16
oh that poor kid. his mom is probably now dead and his father is a crazy mass murderer.
someone decent, sane and loving please adopt him.
Posted by onion on October 13, 2011 at 10:01 AM
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wait....
doesn't california have the toughest gun laws in the galaxy?
how is this possible?
Posted by Clueless Liberal on October 13, 2011 at 10:23 AM
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wait....
doesn't california have the toughest gun laws in the galaxy?
how is this possible?
Posted by Clueless Liberal on October 13, 2011 at 10:23 AM
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wait....
doesn't california have the toughest gun laws in the galaxy?
how is this possible?
Posted by Clueless Liberal on October 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM
dwightmoodyforgetsthings 20
@17-19- Calling other people clueless while triple posting... I applaud your ability to make an ass of yourself.

Anyway, clearly the problem isn't guns or heterosexuality, but that divorce is legal. If only that woman hadn't been allowed to leave the guy, he never would have killed a roomful of people (who weren't his blood relations.)
Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings http://www.reddit.com/r/spaceclop on October 13, 2011 at 10:36 AM
BEG 21
@20 right, he probably would have only killed her! Win! \o/
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on October 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM
BEG 22
Anyway, what strikes me about this story is that it sounds like the guy initiated the divorce, had primary custody of the child, the wife was restricted in her visits (no alcohol, etc) and he *still* went completely apeshit somewhere along the line.
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on October 13, 2011 at 11:20 AM
jackdee 23
@3 Because if gun ownership was made illegal for the common citizen, criminals would immediately be turned off from using them to commit crimes, right? 9_9

I get the anti-gun person's position, it's just that I think y'all should work to make all guns disappear from the planet before taking away the law abiding citizen's ability to protect themselves equally. How's that coming along, by the way?
Posted by jackdee on October 13, 2011 at 12:51 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 24
@23: He's got a call in to Tinkerbell, but for some reason she doesn't seem to be returning it.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on October 13, 2011 at 1:19 PM
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I fucking HATE guns, especially when they fall into the hands of sick monsters. I respect everyone's 2nd ammendment rights but somethings gotta give.
Posted by TampaDink on October 13, 2011 at 1:28 PM
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Well I can see why the judge gave HER custody.
Posted by DRF on October 13, 2011 at 1:44 PM
The Third Rail 27
And every mother and father deserve a hand gun.
Posted by The Third Rail on October 13, 2011 at 10:05 PM
The Third Rail 28
@23: Even criminals do cost benefit analysis at some level when determining whether or not to commit a crime. The old "if you criminalize guns only criminals will have guns" line is BS. Technically, yes, that's true, because to own a gun would make you a criminal. However, the spirit of the argument also assumes all things equal, which is unlikely to be the case. If you increased the penalties for carrying a gun, I imagine you'd find people much less likely to use guns. I've lived in countries (Japan, Singapore) where gun ownership is illegal, and you don't have gangs of gun toting hooligans holding the good people of the country hostage. Granted there's a different starting point since our country is already flooded with guns, but you have to start somewhere.

I can understand the argument for gun ownership in the context of hunting rifles, or even within gun clubs (you own your gun, you keep it at the range), but if you have a hand gun in your house you have better odds of someone who lives in your house being hurt by it than you have of ever using it to defend yourself.

Second ammendment always gets cut off at the knees. I don't think most private gun owners are participating in well organized militias to defend the country from foreign invasion.
Posted by The Third Rail on October 13, 2011 at 10:14 PM

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