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Friday, October 7, 2011

Hey, Stupid Fucking Anti-Vaccine Baby Killers: Stop Killing Our Babies!

Posted by on Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 5:08 PM

It's not easy being a parent. On the one hand, a buxom, C-list television personality, backed both by anecdotal experience and fraudulent/discredited research, is telling you that vaccines absoposilutely cause autism. Scary. But on the other hand, Washington state's embarrassingly low vaccination rate is actually killing babies:

Very young infants in our state are getting pertussis (whooping cough) at much higher rates than people of other ages. The rate of whooping cough in babies is nearly 10 times greater than the combined rate of all people of all ages in Washington. Already this year, 58 infants younger than one year old have been diagnosed with whooping cough. Twenty-two of them were hospitalized, including two that died. Of the 22 babies who were hospitalized, 18 were three months old or younger.

“Whooping cough is a serious illness, especially for babies who are too young to be vaccinated,” said State Health Officer and pediatrician Dr. Maxine Hayes. “Older kids and adults can help protect babies by getting the pertussis vaccine."

Who to trust? Jenny McCarthy? Or reality?

See, here's the deal. Infants younger than two months of age can't be vaccinated for highly contagious pertussis. Yet up to 90 percent of them who are exposed to an infected person will catch the disease. And some of them will die.

That's why our public health strategy is to vaccinate everybody who can be vaccinated, so that our most vulnerable are protected by herd immunity.

Refusing to vaccinate your children doesn't just put your own babies at risk, it endangers all of them. So don't be stupid. And don't be a baby killer. Vaccinate your kids.

 

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MacCrocodile 1
I don't know, Goldy. Jenny McCarthy's boobs make a good point. I think she said it best when she said "Boogity boogity boogity boo! Your kids are gonna get autism!"
Posted by MacCrocodile on October 7, 2011 at 5:27 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 2
She does have a great set there. God knows, I've fucked crazier women for less.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on October 7, 2011 at 5:33 PM
3
Good timing; my 4 month old got 5 immunizations today. She hated it, but by tomorrow she'll be fine.

If, on the other hand, she were to ever get sick or worse because some asshole parent didn't vaccinate their older child, I would flat out murder that parent without qualm or guilt. Your right to endanger your child ends at my child's immune system.
Posted by NateMan on October 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM
4
I worked with a hippie back in the early 90s who for whatever non-Ms.-McCarthy reason decided to not vaccinate her kid against pertussis. In about 4th grade for the kid, whooping cough tore through his private school. All the non-vaccinated kids got it, as did about 30% of the vaccinated kids. This was presented to me as proof that vaccines were pointless.
At the time, it at least felt like idiocy that would be contained within the small percentage of the population that is both a hippie and rich enough to pay for fancy private school. Now though, the idiocy is everywhere. I'm re-upping my own vaccinations for a few things this year.
Posted by alight on October 7, 2011 at 5:38 PM
samktg 5
Where's Sgt Doom and Spindles? Shouldn't they be jerking each other off in this thread? And where's KittenKoder? I bet she could lend them some moral support.
Posted by samktg on October 7, 2011 at 5:49 PM
TVDinner 6
@3: God yes.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on October 7, 2011 at 5:49 PM
7
alight@4: AUGH! That is so crazy-making! Us pro-vacciners need to practice our arguments about herd immunity. If everyone had been vaccinated, the illness would never have gotten a foothold in the school, even if it's less than 100% effective for each individual.
Posted by Margaret L. on October 7, 2011 at 5:51 PM
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Also, it's a fair bet the vaccinated kids had (on average) milder cases.
Posted by david on October 7, 2011 at 6:10 PM
Jessica 9
I'm just going to make this public now:
if some fuckstick who believes Jenny McCarthy and the tinfoil hat brigade's anti-vaccine bullshit doesn't vaccinate their kids, and one of those kids gets my kid sick, and if my child were to die from their belief in BULLSHIT?
I would attempt murder. I would fucking go after them with a cheese grater. Get your head out of your ass and think of someone besides yourself and how smart you think you are. How would you feel if your sick kid got my kid sick and my son died? Would you still sit up on your dreadlocked holier-than-thou horse?
Posted by Jessica on October 7, 2011 at 6:19 PM
balderdash 10
BUT MOMMIES!

MOMMIE MOMMIE MOMMIES!

Thanks for hammering on this issue, Goldy. Dumbshits gotta be told, and, more importantly, normal people who might be on the fence gotta be told.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on October 7, 2011 at 6:27 PM
Reverse Polarity 11
I don't even have kids, and this nonsense makes me crazy. Why do people believe bimbo celebrities with zero knowledge over truckloads of scientists with real Ph.D's and mountains of real evidence that vaccination works? I boggles my mind.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on October 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM
12
This shit makes me furious and sad. Death is not the only bad thing that can happen if a tiny baby gets whooping cough--brain damage is not uncommon. What sane parent wants to risk their kid's brain to this stupid anti vaccine bullshit?
Posted by good vagina on October 7, 2011 at 6:37 PM
13
the problem of other people. they just don't do what you want them to do sometimes.
Posted by philosophy school dropout on October 7, 2011 at 6:48 PM
14
People who don't vaccinate must have sick kid fetishes.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on October 7, 2011 at 6:53 PM
TVDinner 15
@10: You do realize that it's mommies who, the vast majority of the time, get their kids vaccinated, right?
Posted by TVDinner http:// on October 7, 2011 at 6:55 PM
OuterCow 16
Yall seen this one yet? Penn & Teller's Bullshit - Vaccinations:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhk7-5eBC…

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good.
Posted by OuterCow on October 7, 2011 at 7:08 PM
Floor_Pie 17
Thanks for this. My son has Aspergers and the anti-vaccination theory is infuriating to me. First of all, it's not even true. Second of all, even if it was true, that means people who don't vaccinate would basically rather have their kid dead than autistic. Seriously, why are people SO afraid of autism? It's not life-threatening, it's not contagious. It's full of challenges, but these kids have tremendous strengths. I don't get it.

But if we *must* wring hands about the rise of autism and possible causes, this theory about assortive mating (i.e., geek love) makes a lot more sense to me:
http://tinyurl.com/1oi

Posted by Floor_Pie http://www.floorpie05.blogspot.com/ on October 7, 2011 at 8:02 PM
18
Vaccination is not just for the kids either; adults should be revaccinated about every ten years too. Whooping cough is pretty minor for adults, agreed; but the whole herd thing won't work if we only vaccinate the kids.

And if you have a cough, particularly one that only strikes once or twice a day and you otherwise feel fine; but those episodes have you nearly vomiting. Keep away from the babies! You probably have whooping cough.
Posted by SpookyCats on October 7, 2011 at 8:09 PM
19
Heh heh, oh boy. Just to stay current, here's a story from today.
http://cryptogon.com/?p=25354
Posted by Spindles on October 7, 2011 at 8:34 PM
20
Yes @18 - adults need to stay current on their vaccinations as well! Adults can get a pertussis booster shot along with tetanus and diphtheria - TDaP. And I can tell you from unfortunate personal experience that adults can and do get severe cases of pertussis, although normally it does hit children harder than adults. And my god, you don't want anyone you know to come down with a bad case of whooping cough - it is a terrible, terrible illness. Can't imagine having to watch a baby suffer from it.
Posted by Regina on October 7, 2011 at 8:56 PM
21
if my child were to die from their belief in BULLSHIT? I would attempt murder. I would fucking go after them with a cheese grater. Get your head out of your ass and think of someone besides yourself and how smart you think you are.

You own a car? You drive one around? Does that mean that, if you accidentally kill someone who has chosen not to drive a car because they think it's dangerous, that person's relatives should get to kill you with a cheese grater? Or let's talk about your hand-washing habits. Or all the Middle Easterners who are being turned into kibble with your tax dollars right now. You smoke pot? Do a little blow now and then? There are a few thousand dead Mexicans who'd like to talk to you about the larger implications of your personal choices. Hell, you're an American -- you wipe out a square mile of Amazon rain forest every time you buy a cheeseburger. But what REALLY gets up your ass?

These goddamn stupid hippies and their anti-vaccine kick. Because God knows the government and big drug companies have never pulled any henky shit on the public, or released a dangerous drug to the public and let people use it for years and years, or conspired to hide the negative health effects of any drug or, oh, I don't know, like, tobacco or something. And Jenny McCarthy is the ONLY person who has questions about vaccines, and the ONLY reason someone would hold off on vaccinating, or refuse a certain vaccine, is because of concerns about autism.

Herd immunity. Give me a break. Every day the average Seattleite past a hundred homeless people that are basically just walking petrie dishes for drug resistant tuberculosis and MRSA, and does a million other things that take us one step closer to a zombie apocalypse -- but you start talking childhood vaccines and suddenly every latte liberal with a BA in Art History starts spouting off about herd immunity. Christ. What a jape.
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Posted by Judah http://www.suoxi.net on October 7, 2011 at 9:23 PM
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Lesse, a statistically improbable reaction to a vaccine or a highly contagious deadly disease.

I will never understand why people make any choice other than getting vaccinated.

Posted by PA Native on October 7, 2011 at 9:33 PM
23
Whooping cough is also life threatening and permanently disabling for adults or older children with immunodeficiency issues, including HIV positive and cancer treatments.
Posted by SoSea Resident on October 7, 2011 at 9:51 PM
balderdash 24
@15, Jenny McCarthy once offered her "mommy instinct" as explanation for how she knew vaccines had caused her son's autism, and "mommy" protectiveness is behind a lot of the paranoia of her followers. I'm tired of "Mommy" being offered as qualifications for dispensing medical advice, is all. No disrespect intended to mothers; it's not an easy job. It just doesn't make you a doctor.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on October 7, 2011 at 10:06 PM
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Most kids hate shots. As someone who's given a lot of kids a lot of shots, I'll tell you that most moms hate shots too. I'll also tell you that it's a sad, sad mom who sees her baby cough himself to death because she passed on shots. I also know moms who SWEAR that their child was not the same after they got vaccinations. Sometimes we provide a little anticipatory guidance (your child might be doing ____ now, and may be trying to _____ in the next couple months), and only then do people realize that their child isn't meeting developmental milestones. The child gets a vaccination on the same visit, the process of getting the shot was a little traumatizing for both parent and child, the parent realizes that something isn't right developmentally, and the vaccine gets blamed. It's a temporal relationship, a fallacy.

Establishing herd immunity requires a sense of social responsibility. People have to accept a some risk in order to reduce the overall prevalence of a disease. It's how we eradicated smallpox. It's how we've almost eradicated polio (why almost? vaccine paranoia). Herd immunity can accommodate a certain number of non-vaccinated individuals (those who are severely immune compromised, have anaphylactic reactions to vaccine components, are too young, too old, too sick etc), especially if these individuals don't act as vectors. In environments like day cares, schools, clinics, hospitals, movie theaters, malls, etc, you'd better vaccinate because everyone's a vector. As someone who works in health care, I know I'm a vector. It's my responsibility to vaccinate myself. I'm young and I'm healthy so if I get sick, I won't get tragically sick. The flu is probably not going to kill me, but it might kill someone I give it to .

PS @alight- a 70% immunity rate isn't so bad. It's about the same as the flu vaccine, and with a critical mass of immunized individuals, it's all that's needed to prevent an epidemic.
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Posted by TheBugg on October 7, 2011 at 10:21 PM
TheMisanthrope 26
Meh. Vaccines prevent nature from taking it's course and thinning the herd in order to slow the overpopulation that is happening. Illnesses are just God working in mysterious ways.
Posted by TheMisanthrope on October 7, 2011 at 11:02 PM
dirac 27
There are some shots I won't get. Like thimerisal-laden flu shots that don't have the effectiveness of other vaccines. It's clear that the evidence for the link between vaccines and autism is fake, bogus, made-up. I don't get the argument for murdering other people who choose not to vaccinate their children though. It's sort of hypocritical since you're saying: "You're so dumb that you have no faith in what I have faith in (yet am still afraid of the chance that my faith is misplaced)!" I mean, think of the children('s cognitive integrity)!
Posted by dirac on October 8, 2011 at 12:06 AM
Sea J 28
Interesting read, @17. Maybe being intelligent is an evolutionary dead-end. That means families like the Duggars will win at evolution.
Posted by Sea J on October 8, 2011 at 1:01 AM
29
@25 That's an interesting point about the handouts and the shots. Many parents swear that their kid wasn't the same after their vaccines, but when experts examine home movies taken before the vaccinations, there are clear signs that the kids were already not on the normal track.
Posted by Margaret L. on October 8, 2011 at 1:11 AM
30
Hey, Stupid Fucking Abortionists Baby Killers:
Stop Killing Our Babies!

oh...

sorry....

never mind.
Posted by this year's crop of One Million Slaughtered on October 8, 2011 at 3:50 AM
Vince 31
You can't say it enough. Thanks Goldy.
Posted by Vince on October 8, 2011 at 3:55 AM
32
The danger of excessive vaccination during brain development:
the case for a link to Autism Spectrum Disorders (ASD)
Russell L. Blaylock, MD

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org…

A compelling amount of research has shown that repeated stimulation of the systemic immune system results in first priming of the microglia in the developing brain, followed by an intense microglial reaction with each successive series of vaccinations. Because of the critical dependence of the developing brain on a timed se-quence of cytokine and excitatory amino acid fluctuation, sequential vaccination can result in alterations in this critical process that will not only result in synaptic and dendritic loss, but abnormal pathway development. When activated, especially chronically, microglia, the resident immune cell of the brain, secretes a number of inflammatory cytokines, free radicals, lipid peroxidation products, and two excitotoxins—glutamate and quinolinic acid. This evidence suggests that this central mechanism results in the pathological as well as clinical features of autism.
Posted by 2ndopinion on October 8, 2011 at 4:44 AM
douchus 33
@32

That is not a compelling argument. It is a single argument by a crack-pot libertarian who used to be a surgeon.

What other scientist supports this dude's theories?
Posted by douchus on October 8, 2011 at 6:58 AM
34
What Judah said-mostly because my keyboard is too small to say it myself.

Also, if you don't get your flu shot, you're killing babies and grandmas in a far higher number than those that decide not to vaccinate.

I think we should move on to fluoridation of water. Let's really get some panties in a bunch
Posted by dare-ill on October 8, 2011 at 7:07 AM
Vince 35
What we need is a charitable organization that will pay a poor mother thirty dollars cash to get her child vaccinated. I bet it would help. And thirty dollars cash for everyone in her family that is old enough to get whooping cough vacinations. Get it started Goldy. Really. Think how many shots just sixty thousand could pay for. That could saves hundreds of children.
Posted by Vince on October 8, 2011 at 9:08 AM
36
Listen, Goldstein the anti-science dips**t, I've posted epidemiological study after epidemiological study here, plus various news updates, and simpleton Goldylox still can't do the frigging arithmetic:

the point being, it is THE NUMBER OF VACCINE SHOTS ADMIISTERED TO babies prior to their first birthday that is the strategic and crucial number here, doodette!!!

And also, where the frigging item is manufactured, i.e., ideally not a nonsterile bathtub in China or India -- with absolutely NO OVERSIGHT!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/art…

Finland vows care for narcolepsy kids who had swine flu shot


http://www.straight.com/print/270843

Looking for answers, Shaw turned to the 24-page product-information leaflet on the vaccine released by drug giant GlaxoSmithKline. Health Canada used this document in approving the shot.

The leaflet leaves Shaw cold. “You couldn’t turn this in as a master’s thesis anywhere I know of and get a passing grade,” he said, calling the leaflet a “shocking document”.

Shaw said the material lacks basic information. For example, there is no safety data at all for several groups of people—pregnant women, people aged over 60, kids aged 10 to 17, and children under three. For kids three to nine years old, there is only “very limited” data.

.....

The H1N1 vaccine includes a component called an adjuvant—which is used to boost the drug’s effectiveness—that has raised a lot of questions.

GlaxoSmithKline says the adjuvant has been tested on 45,000 people worldwide and that clinical trials are now being done on children. In an e-mail, spokesperson Melanie Spoore said the company is planning 25 trials of its various H1N1 vaccines before November 2010.

She also said a different but closely related vaccine made by the company, for the H5N1 flu, includes the same adjuvant and “is generally well-tolerated and has an acceptable safety profile” in both kids and adults.

....

One of the best examples involves a controversial ingredient present in the H1N1 vaccine: thimerosal. Thimerosal is a form of mercury used in some vaccines as a preservative. Drug makers agreed to phase it out of most vaccines after the U.S. Food and Drug Administration found in 1999 that mercury levels in children who had gotten multiple shots often exceeded safety levels set by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Nonetheless, thimerosal still remains in many flu vaccines.

Jesus, buddy, you are truly as ignorant as you are stoooopid.
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Posted by sgt_doom on October 8, 2011 at 10:46 AM
dirac 37
@34 Ugh. Besides an epidemic or pandemic situation, how is this true? You're generalizing, which is what people like to do here, especially when lazy and being smugly pseudo scientific. Flu vaccines are ~70% effective, so it's hardly a fucking polio vaccine and a toss of the dice to get the yearly update--I've studied this in great detail. I am not saying during epidemics or pandemics to avoid shots--especially for school age children and their parents or others who come in close contact. Let's see, I don't have children, I avoid contact with people who do have children and I am not a first responder. So that must mean I am killing babies and grandmas. Good job on your logic there!
Posted by dirac on October 8, 2011 at 10:51 AM
38
dirac, @27,37, makes some outstanding points, as usual.

Now what anti-science (and arithmetic) Goldy needs to do, is to retract is head from his butthole and read the following slowly (gee, I know reading is tough for you Goldy, but it is fundamental, dood).

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/201…

This stuff from Goldy is from the same rag (The Stranger) which warns people against using drugs 'cause they don't know the frigging origin of the drugs and its additives, yet Goldy urges everyone to use vaccines which are too frequently of unknown manufactured origin!

(And yes, I do agree with properly tested, properly researched and properly manufactured vaccines ----- and I follow the scientific and business news enough to understand that the majority-Rockefeller owned Baxter International has "accidentally" loosed upon Europe on no less than three separate occasions "accidentally" concocted highly contagious contagion-laden vaccines with a pandemic-level potential. And Baxter International has the monopoly with the UN's World Health Organization for providing vaccines to said pandemics, while the Rockefeller Foundation is continuously publishing reports warning about the same said pandemics.)

Jesus, Goldy Goldstein, you really need to go back and either study, or re-read, the illustrious Stanley Milgram's work.
Posted by sgt_doom on October 8, 2011 at 11:18 AM
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And what if the vaccine doesn't work so great, and that's actually the problem? http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/09/19/…
Posted by Alice Dreger http://www.alicedreger.com on October 8, 2011 at 11:33 AM
prompt 40
McCarthy hasn't been relevant since Singled Out. And they should be required to make people read (or maybe a video if they ain't the readin' type) about these things when they refuse vaccinations.
Posted by prompt on October 8, 2011 at 11:46 AM
prompt 41
@39 Then you revise the vaccination schedule but more importantly, you still take the fucking vaccine because it's better than the alternative.
Posted by prompt on October 8, 2011 at 11:47 AM
SecretBYUBottomBoy 42
don't forget kids with leukemia or immune deficiencies that can't take life-saving vaccines and depend on the rest of us to man up and provide them with herd immunity.
Posted by SecretBYUBottomBoy on October 8, 2011 at 12:29 PM
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@36: "the point being, it is THE NUMBER OF VACCINE SHOTS ADMIISTERED TO babies prior to their first birthday that is the strategic and crucial number here, doodette!!!"

Psudoscience, plain and simple. you have no clue what you're talking about and you're making shit up out of thin air. There's no evidence but a ton of goalpost shifting. You're dumb as dirt, sgt doom. The number of vaccines people receive, as with every other factor, has nothing to do with autism.

Increased, targeted diagnosis is why more people "have" ASD. You people need to go back to jerking yourselves off about fluoridation and the communist menace like you did in the fifties.
Posted by Disgusting Luddite nutters will always exist. on October 8, 2011 at 12:37 PM
44
When abortion-rights opponents call you a "baby killer" for not sharing their views, do you find that a convincing argument?

I submit that this post's usage of the inflammatory "baby killer" tag will prove similarly ineffective at convincing vaccine opponents.
Posted by Proteus on October 8, 2011 at 1:15 PM
dirac 45
@43 " You people need to go back to jerking yourselves off about fluoridation" Not to rain on your parade of overreactive nonsense, but I don't like fluoridation either, since it has calcifying effects on other parts of the body. I don't think we need to put waste products from the aluminum industry in our water. That's all--I don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to, you know, not want to ingest poison.
Posted by dirac on October 8, 2011 at 2:59 PM
KittenKoder 46
Meh, epidemics come and go ... this to shall pass.
Posted by KittenKoder http://digitalnoisegraffiti.com/ on October 8, 2011 at 4:12 PM
47
You stupid pinhead. You do not even have a dog in this fight. I have three adopted children under my care they are all brothers. One of which we have had since he was 10 days old. I watched what vaccines did to this child with my own eye. Just days ago his twin 2 1/2 year old brothers were hospitalized due to respiratory distress after a TB PDD test. The examination reports determined this was from an allergic reaction to Tween 80 (ie- Polysorbate 80) which by the way is documented in the Annuals of Allergy and Asthma, 2005 vol 95 as a chemical additive know to cause this very reaction in some people. Polysorbate 80 in found many if not all vaccinations. I know have three children that have been effected by these injections. For me to read a stupid article written like this from some nubnut idiot, make me furious. My children will live the rest of their lives with this while your kids who, thank God did nit have a reaction go on with life. I cannot imagine anyone writing an article like this unless they were financially tied to the subject. As far as my unvaxed children puttings yours in danger, do the freaking vaccines work or not? If they work shut your freaking mouth your kids are immune you dumbass. Meanwhile my kids are jacked up from this stupid price of medical propaganda making pharma's rich while my kids will struggle with a future. You make me sick. Stupid shit!
Posted by Kodawe on October 8, 2011 at 8:00 PM
48
After reading the ranting and frothing, I'm sticking with my original statement; if you don't vaccinate your kids, and they infect my kid when she's too young for her shots, and something happens to her because of it, your body will never be found. I know thousands of empty acres where it could just... Disappear. Have a nice day.
Posted by NateMan on October 9, 2011 at 4:05 AM
49
@21 Judah,

Your analogy is backwards. The vaccinated and unvaccinated would be pedestrians, the infected would be thrown behind the wheel of a car that turns susceptable individuals into car riders as well upon impact. The vaccinated would block the cars and deflect them away from the unvaccinated (and other vaccinated as well). Not very real worldly, but more accurate.

Peace.
Posted by Married in MA on October 9, 2011 at 5:56 AM
50
Nateman, So after reading the ranting and frothing and knowing my child reacts to these shot to the point one was hospitalized you telling me you don't care what happens to my child. No matter what I should jab my kids to protect yours. Well kiss my ass you twisted piece of crap. Maybe if your so worried about getting some obscure disease you should go live in that thousands of acres by yourself. It is obvious you did not read a thing I said. My children could die from this injection due to anaphylactic effects. You don't care who else dies as long as you and your kid are protected.
Posted by Kodawe on October 9, 2011 at 6:28 AM
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@50: Got it in 1, and I'm glad we're on the same page. Like I said before, you have every right to endanger your kid's life. You have none to endanger mine.
Posted by NateMan on October 9, 2011 at 7:27 AM
52
I have spent many years of my professional life formulating and controlling vaccines and have lectured on this subject to doctors and nurses for fifteen years. I do not advise people against vaccines, but I strongly advise everyone: "investigate before you vaccinate"!

Package inserts can be found in internet and they contain more information than one normally gets from doctors. The information there is from the manufacturers, authorised by health authorities. Search in Google for vaccine package inserts, then click on the vaccine name. http://vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts…
Posted by Mindanoiha on October 9, 2011 at 7:50 AM
53
@50 the only reason that you think that this is an obscure disease is because 90%+ of people have been vaccinated against it. If everybody decided to protect their children against vaccines you would soon find out that Polio, whooping cough and friends became a lot less obscure.

From wiki:

in 2005 in Northern Nigeria—a country which at that time was considered provisionally polio free—an Islamic Fatwah was issued declaring that the polio vaccine was a conspiracy by the United States and the United Nations against the Muslim faith, saying that the drops were designed to sterilize the true believers. Subsequently, polio reappeared in Nigeria and spread from there to several other countries
Posted by Cloudgazer on October 9, 2011 at 9:34 AM
54
That son-of-a-you-know-what who faked his research, convinced people not to vaccinate their kids, and diverted time, energy, attention and research funding away from whatever the real cause of autism is? Yeah, would be nice to hear some evangelicals tell HIM where he'll be burning instead of ranting about gays and Mormons. There are so many people in the autism community who STILL haven't accepted that vaccines aren't the cause.

I sometimes wonder what he was thinking. Maybe he thought it wouldn't be a big deal, that his research wouldn't inspire so many followers. Bottom line, even what seems like a little lie here and there can have big consequences.
Posted by DRF on October 9, 2011 at 10:52 AM
55
@50 and @51,

I'm going to present a position that fulfills both of your requirements (and will probably leave me attacked from both sides).

In the best of all worlds, before vaccinations are given, something akin to an allergy test should be done with the adjuvants/preservatives. If there were no reaction, then the vaccinations would be safer. The TB test turned into an impromptu version of this concept for Kodawe. If the reaction was to a specific component, then versions of the vaccine might be produced without the offending component (I ask for vaccinations made for people with latex sensitivity). If there is no way around the sensitivity, then no vaccination can be given. It is to protect those who can't get vaccinated/immune compromised that everyone else MUST be vaccinated. Pretesting would cost money, however, and therein lies your problem. In a country with across the board coverage, then you might see this scenario. There is no way that vaccines should be administered to individuals if severe reactions and even death will occur.

Vaccines are optimized to treat the largest population at the lowest cost. In the case of something like a flu vaccine, there are additional optimizations based upon best guesses of which strains of virus (and their respective antigens) will be most significant in the future outbreaks of the disease. Optimization isn't perfection. On the other hand, the protection they do provide has meant very significant changes in quality (and quanity) of life world wide where the vaccines are employed. Opposition without truly studying what havoc was caused worldwide before the availability of vaccines is simply foolish. The risks to the human population as a whole from the diseases cause the risks of side effects, in comparison, to be minimal. OTOH, if it is known the vaccine is potentially fatal to an individual, the point of saving that individual from other risks is moot.

Peace.
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Posted by Married in MA on October 9, 2011 at 2:55 PM
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@47: "One of which we have had since he was 10 days old. I watched what vaccines did to this child with my own eye."

No, you didn't.

Take a basic statistics class, you horrible fuckoff of a parent.
Posted by this hysteria is what makes parents abuse their children on October 9, 2011 at 5:17 PM
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I would be willing to bet not one person on this page advocating vaccinations has actually spent any time at all researching vaccinations. As far as Dr Wakefield goes, if you researched this court case you might know the fact there as well. Doesn't anyone question anything anymore? The biggest red flag of all is the fact that the pharmaceutical companies are indemnified. Why? Well if you did your research you would learn that when Glaxo, Smith Beachum released the MMR in Canada there were many having reactions. Canada pulled this vaccination from the market overnight. At the same time, The British government wanted Glaxo to release this vaccination in the UK. Glaxo Dias they would not do it because of the issues they were seeing in Canada. The British government said they did not care, they wanted the vaccination no matter what. Glaxo would not comply so the British government indemnified Glaxo so they could not be sued for any adverse reactions. Big Red Flag! The US followed suite and indemnified these pharma companies as well. You cannot sue these guys if you have a reaction. Where is the safety in this? They have absolutely no liability, and they are making billions. By the way, they just renamed the vaccination, same vax as in Canada, just a different name. And Glaxo,Smith, Bechum became Glaxo, Smith, Kline shortly after this as well. I'm guessing Bechum had some moral issues will all of this. Be careful people, ask questions and do your research. These guys really do not care about your children. They care about the almighty dollar.
Posted by Kodawe on October 9, 2011 at 5:31 PM
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Kodawe: "These guys really do not care about your children. They care about the almighty dollar."

Says the moron that follows someone who had his medical license revoked for falsifying data to "prove" the autism vaccine link.

Yet, this guy is still peddling "chelation" treatments that have no actual benefit, and claiming to "cure" autism.

You're a failure of a parent, who follows snake oil peddlers, and abusing your children.
Posted by how dare you claim you've educated yourself on October 9, 2011 at 6:06 PM
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You forget who's profiting the most off of this fraud, Wakefield himself.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/inde…

"Pity poor Andrew Wakefield. Well, not really. I tend to view what’s happening to him yet again as the chickens coming home to roost.

Let’s put it this way. 2010 was a terrible year for him, and 2011 is starting out almost as bad. In February 2010, the General Medical Council in the U.K. recommended that Wakefield be stripped of his license to practice medicine in the U.K. because of scientific misconduct related to his infamous 1998 case series published in The Lancet, even going so far as to refer to him as irresponsible and dishonest, and in May 2010 he was. This case series, thanks to Wakefield’s scientific incompetence and fraud, coupled with his flair for self-promotion and enabled by the sensationalistic credulity of the British press, ignited a scare about the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine in which, afraid that the MMR vaccine causes autism, parents in the U.K. eschewed vaccinating their children in droves. As a result, vaccination rates plummeted far below the level necessary for herd immunity, with the entirely predictable result of massive measles outbreaks in the U.K. Measles, which as of the mid-1990s had been declared under control by British and European health authorities, came roaring back to the point where in 2008 it was declared once again endemic in the British Isles. In a mere decade and a half, several decades of progress in controlling this scourge had been unravelled like a thread hanging off a cheap dress, all thanks to Andrew Wakefield and scandal mongers in the British press.

True, Wakefield had long since moved to Texas, the better to be the founding “scientific director” of a house of autism woo known as Thoughtful House. Thus, the removal of his license to practice had little practical import (or effect on his ability to earn a living), or so it seemed at the time, given that Wakefield did not treat patients and hauled in quite the hefty salary for his promotion of anti-vaccine pseudoscience. Fortunately, karma’s a bitch, and, as a result of the GMC’s action, in short order The Lancet retracted Wakefield’s 1998 paper; Wakefield was pushed out of Thoughtful House; and his latest attempt to “prove” that vaccines cause autism in an animal study was also retracted. Investigative reporter Brian Deer’s investigation finding that Andrew Wakefield had committed scientific fraud in carrying out his Lancet study joined prior findings that Wakefield had been in the pocket of trial lawyers (to the tune of £435 643, plus expenses) seeking to sue the vaccine industry at the time he carried out his “research” and the allegations by renowned PCR expert Stephen Bustin during the Autism Omnibus as to how shoddily Wakefield’s other research was carried out. Finally, the mainstream media started to back away from its previous embrace of Wakefield and his claims. As a result, for a while at least, Wakefield was reduced to lame appearances at sparsely attended anti-vaccine rallies last spring.

The rest of the story
As bad as the findings were that Wakefield had committed scientific fraud, it turns out that it was even worse than the original reports indicated. A few hours ago, the British Medical Journal (BMJ) published an analysis of the scientific fraud committed by Wakefield, fraud that journalist Brian Deer likens in an accompanying editorial to the Piltdown Man. The articles are:

How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed by Brian Deer
Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent (editorial by BMJ editors Fiona Godlee, editor in chief, Jane Smith, deputy editor, Harvey Marcovitch, associate editor).
Piltdown medicine: The missing link between MMR and autism by Brian Deer.
And here is CNN reporting on the story last night:

Even better, Deer’s article is part one of a planned two-part series, the next part of which will look at Wakefield’s business plans and how he came to be fired. Basically, these latest two articles will grind to dust any remaining “scientific resepctability” Wakefield might have enjoyed. Actually, it grinds it to even finer dust–nanoparticles that disappear into the air–given that Wakefield’s reputation had already been pulverized quite thoroughly last year by the GMC. Deer begins, as he began one of his news stories before, with the testimony of a parent of one of the 12 children that Wakefield included in his study:

Mr 11, an American engineer, looked again at the paper: a five page case series of 11 boys and one girl, aged between 3 and 9 years. Nine children, it said, had diagnoses of “regressive” autism, and all but one were reported with “non-specific colitis.” The “new syndrome” brought these together, linking brain and bowel diseases. His son was the penultimate case.

Running his finger across the paper’s tables, over coffee in London, Mr 11 seemed reassured by his anonymised son’s age and other details. But then he pointed at table 2–headed “neuropsychiatric diagnosis”–and for a second time objected.

“That’s not true.”

Child 11 was among the eight whose parents apparently blamed MMR. The interval between his vaccination and the first “behavioural symptom” was reported as 1 week. This symptom was said to have appeared at age 15 months. But his father, whom I had tracked down, said this was wrong.

“From the information you provided me on our son, who I was shocked to hear had been included in their published study,” he wrote to me, after we met again in California, “the data clearly appeared to be distorted.”

Then Deer describes exactly how Wakefield rigged his study under the pay of trial lawyers to appear to suggest a link between MMR vaccination and autism. For instance, before Wakefield ever undertook his infamous study, he and a solicitor named Richard Barr had claimed to have identified a new syndrome consisting of bowel inflammation and regressive autism and aimed to show a temporal association between MMR vaccination and the onset of first symptoms. Unfortunately, Child 11′s case was a disappointment, as his discharge summary from the Royal Free Hospital, which showed that the boy’s regression began two months earlier than claimed in Wakefield’s paper and a month before he had ever received his MMR vaccine. Deer also describes Child 2, whose parents were the first to have approached Wakefield, sent by the anti-vaccine group JABS. This boy appeared in numerous news reports and was one of the four “best cases” used by Barr in a lawsuit. The boy’s mother’s story was vague and she wasn’t clear on how long it was between the child’s vaccination and the onset of his symptoms.

But that’s not all. The more the paper was investigated, the more anomalies were found. For example, only one child clearly had regressive autism, and three of nine described as having regressive autism did not. In fact, none of these three even had a diagnosis of autism at all! There were other anomalies as well. Several of the children clearly had preexisting conditions. For example, all twelve children were described in the paper as “previously normal,” but at least two of them clearly had developmental delay and facial dysmorphisms noted before they were vaccinated with the MMR. All twelve children taken together did not support the existence of a syndrome of bowel problems and regressive autism, at least not the syndrome as described in Wakefield’s paper. Deer summarizes how Wakefield “fixed the link” between MMR and regressive autism with enterocolitis:

The Lancet paper was a case series of 12 child patients; it reported a proposed “new syndrome” of enterocolitis and regressive autism and associated this with MMR as an “apparent precipitating event.” But in fact:

Three of nine children reported with regressive autism did not have autism diagnosed at all. Only one child clearly had regressive autism
Despite the paper claiming that all 12 children were “previously normal,” five had documented pre-existing developmental concerns
Some children were reported to have experienced first behavioural symptoms within days of MMR, but the records documented these as starting some months after vaccination
In nine cases, unremarkable colonic histopathology results–noting no or minimal fluctuations in inflammatory cell populations–were changed after a medical school “research review” to “non-specific colitis”
The parents of eight children were reported as blaming MMR, but 11 families made this allegation at the hospital. The exclusion of three allegations–all giving times to onset of problems in months–helped to create the appearance of a 14 day temporal link
Patients were recruited through anti-MMR campaigners, and the study was commissioned and funded for planned litigation
As Brian Deer so aptly puts it, Wakefield “chiseled” the data, “falsifying medical histories of children and essentially concocting a picture, which was the picture he was contracted to find by lawyers hoping to sue vaccine manufacturers and to create a vaccine scare.” The discrepancies between the case reports as described in Wakefield’s Lancet paper and the actual medical records are anything but random; all are in the direction of suggesting a link between the MMR and Wakefield’s as yet unverified syndrome of regressive autism and enterocolitis. The cases that were selected appear not to have been random, sequential patients but were rather recruited specifically through anti-vaccine activists and trial lawyers. Moreover, as Deer puts it:

Moreover, through the omission from the paper of some parents’ beliefs that the vaccine was to blame, the time link for the lawsuit sharpened. With concerns logged from 11 of 12 families, the maximum time given to the onset of alleged symptoms was a (forensically unhelpful) four months. But, in a version of the paper circulated at the Royal Free six months before publication, reported concerns fell to nine of 12 families but with a still unhelpful maximum of 56 days. Finally, Wakefield settled on 8 of 12 families, with a maximum interval to alleged symptoms of 14 days.

Between the latter two versions, revisions also slashed the mean time to alleged symptoms–from 14 to 6.3 days. “In these children the mean interval from exposure to the MMR vaccine to the development of the first behavioural symptom was six days, indicating a strong temporal association,” he emphasised in a patent for, among other things, his own prophylactic measles vaccine, eight months before the Lancet paper.

Yes, that’s exactly what Deer has found. When the time frame between vaccination and the onset of symptoms was too long to be useful for suggesting a link between MMR and regressive autism with enterocolitis, Wakefield systematically removed subjects whose parents blamed the MMR for their children’s autism until the time frame between vaccination and onset of symptoms in the remaining subjects was a much more impressive 14 days. There is no innocent explanation possible for the systematic and numerous discrepancies between the medical record and Wakefield’s paper, as the editors of the BMJ point out in their accompanying editorial:

The Office of Research Integrity in the United States defines fraud as fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism. Deer unearthed clear evidence of falsification. He found that not one of the 12 cases reported in the 1998 Lancet paper was free of misrepresentation or undisclosed alteration, and that in no single case could the medical records be fully reconciled with the descriptions, diagnoses, or histories published in the journal.

Who perpetrated this fraud? There is no doubt that it was Wakefield. Is it possible that he was wrong, but not dishonest: that he was so incompetent that he was unable to fairly describe the project, or to report even one of the 12 children’s cases accurately? No. A great deal of thought and effort must have gone into drafting the paper to achieve the results he wanted: the discrepancies all led in one direction; misreporting was gross.

The antivaccine movement circles the wagons again
The degree of falsification and the number of discrepancies were breathtaking in their audacity and contempt for reviewers and Wakefield’s own collaborators, ten of whom retracted their names from the study back in 2004, when strong evidence of a serious conflict of interest on Wakefield’s part was first unearthed by Deer. The chutzpah Wakefield demonstrated in his fraud was truly breathtaking. So is the chutzpah he continues to exhibit today with his denials. Even after this report and all the stories reporting on it, Wakefield continues to deny that he has done anything at all wrong and blames the criticisms leveled against him on conspiracies. In reality, given the way the anti-vaccine movement has begun to circle the wagons to defend Wakefield yet again, it’s tempting to claim that this is a conspiracy. Personally, I consider it a conspiracy of utter cluelessness. For one example, check out this video of J.B. Handley:

Yes, Handley’s regurgitating antivaccine favorites like the “tobacco science” mischaracterization, touting Wakefield’s “monkey business” study (which he neglects to mention was withdrawn), and defending Wakefield. I will say one thing, though. Handley actually managed to keep himself from having one of his characteristic outbursts, although it was obvious that he was on the verge of one of his typical rants. Perhaps he’s had some media training since his last appearance on The Doctors or Larry King’s show.

For another example, check out this defense of Andrew Wakefield by the anti-vaccine National Autism Association, which makes the astonishingly ludicrous claim that the BMJ article is “yet another attempt to thwart vaccine safety research.” The anti-vaccine crank blog Age of Autism naturally reposted the NAA’s counterattack.

One of the NAA’s claims in its press release is that Wakefield’s study has been “repeatedly confirmed,” and the NAA cites five studies that allegedly confirm Wakefield’s fraudulent results. However, as Just the Vax and Sullivan show, these studies do not represent independent confirmation of anything. One of them was by a close associate of Wakefield; one is a case report of an adult autistic with enterocolitis; and none of the rest confirm Wakefield’s results either. Yet, every time a story pops up showing that Wakefield committed scientific fraud, Wakefield defenders in the anti-vaccine movement dutifully trot out the same five studies, as though any of them were independent confirmation of his work, while anti-vaccine activists launch ad hominem attacks against BMJ editor Fiona Godlee and regurgitate old attacks on Brian Deer. Particularly off-base is the NAA’s claim that somehow, by laying bare Wakefield’s clear cut and vile scientific fraud, the BMJ is interfering with “vaccine safety research.” No, it’s revealing a dangerous scientific fraud, nothing more.

“Piltdown medicine”
So egregious was Wakefield’s fraud that Deer likens it in an accompanying blog post to “Piltdown medicine,” making this direct comparison to the infamous “Piltdown Man” hoax:

The Piltdown contrivance involved the pre-arranged “discovery” of features brought together to be sensationally “found.” A piece of skullcap was human, a partial jaw was an orangutan’s, and a tooth was a chimpanzee’s, filed down. They were stained with chemicals and, to fabricate a temporal link, were buried with flint tools in datable gravel near the tiny village of Piltdown, East Sussex.

Some would suggest that their proximity was a matter of chance, but the odds of this would have taxed an astronomer. “That two different individuals were present,” one of the scientists who unmasked the fraud explained later, “a fossil man, represented by a cranium without a jaw, and a fossil ape, represented by a jaw without a cranium, within a few feet of each other and so similar in colour and preservation, would be a coincidence, amazing beyond belief.”

And so it was with Wakefield, eight decades after the Piltdown discoveries. Amazing beyond belief. For skullcap read “developmental disorders”, for the jaw “enterocolitis”, and for the tooth “parental complaints about MMR”. Bring them together at one hospital, with a 14-day temporal link, and another assemblage was “found”.

This is a very apt analogy. The more we find out about how Wakefield put together his case series for The Lancet, the more it becomes obvious that he calculatingly put together a fraud every bit as elaborate and planned as the Piltdown Man hoax. It might not have taken as long for Wakefield’s fraud to come to light. Although there were suspicions that not everything was as it appeared as early as within the first year after Wakefield’s case report, it was not until 2004 that serious allegations came to light of Wakefield’s conflict of interest. These allegations ultimately led to the GMC hearing that began in 2007 and the findings of scientific fraud announced nearly a year ago. Now, here it is, thirteen years later, and only now is the full story being told.

What I can’t figure out–I mean, really, really can’t figure out–is why the anti-vaccine movement continues to cling to Wakefield’s tattered “science” and lionize this fraud as a hero. Surely the more sober and intelligent members of the anti-vaccine mvoement (they do exist, believe it or not) must realize by now that Wakefield has become a huge liability. This was best demonstrated last year, when, after years of doing nothing about him, as soon as the GMC found Wakefield had committed scientific fraud, in short order The Lancet retracted his paper, Thoughtful House fired him, and his “monkey business” paper, which was to be his “comeback” as far as scientific respectability goes, was also retracted. Wakefield is now very much like the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, who, having had his arm hacked off by King Arthur declares it to be “just a flesh wound.” After hacking off all but the Black Knight’s left leg, the Black Knight keeps taunting Arthur, who retorts, “What are you going to do, bleed on me?” and finally, unable to take any more, cuts off the Black Knight’s last leg.

This article by Brian Deer is the last swing of the sword that hacks off Wakefield’s last limb.

Unfortunately, like the Black Knight, not realizing that, scientifically he’s been utterly discredited, Wakefield fights on. Worse, he is still feted by the anti-vaccine movement. Right now, he’s in Jamaica as part of a “vaccine safety” conference whose list of speakers is chock full of anti-vaccine activists.

For Wakefield, even 13 years later, fraud pays."
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Posted by you scum-sucking ignormus on October 9, 2011 at 6:10 PM
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"BMJ 2011; 342:c5347 doi: 10.1136/bmj.c5347 (Published 5 January 2011)
Cite this as: BMJ 2011; 342:c5347
Feature
Secrets of the MMR scare
How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed
Brian Deer, journalist
+ Author Affiliations

1London, UK
briandeer.com
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the bogus data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school

When I broke the news to the father of child 11, at first he did not believe me. “Wakefield told us my son was the 13th child they saw,” he said, gazing for the first time at the now infamous research paper which linked a purported new syndrome with the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine.1 “There’s only 12 in this.”

That paper was published in the Lancet on 28 February 1998. It was retracted on 2 February 2010.2 Authored by Andrew Wakefield, John Walker-Smith, and 11 others from the Royal Free medical school, London, it reported on 12 developmentally challenged children,3 and triggered a decade long public health scare.

“Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated by the parents with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children,” began the paper’s “findings.” Adopting these claims as fact,4 its “results” section added: “In these eight children the average interval from exposure to first behavioural symptoms was 6.3 days (range 1-14).”

Mr 11, an American engineer, looked again at the paper: a five page case series of 11 boys and one girl, aged between 3 and 9 years. Nine children, it said, had diagnoses of “regressive” autism, and all but one were reported with “non-specific colitis.” The “new syndrome” brought these together, linking brain and bowel diseases. His son was the penultimate case.

Running his finger across the paper’s tables, over coffee in London, Mr 11 seemed reassured by his anonymised son’s age and other details. But then he pointed at table 2—headed “neuropsychiatric diagnosis”—and for a second time objected.

“That’s not true.”

Child 11 was among the eight whose parents apparently blamed MMR. The interval between his vaccination and the first “behavioural symptom” was reported as 1 week. This symptom was said to have appeared at age 15 months. But his father, whom I had tracked down, said this was wrong.

“From the information you provided me on our son, who I was shocked to hear had been included in their published study,” he wrote to me, after we met again in California, “the data clearly appeared to be distorted.”

He backed his concerns with medical records, including a Royal Free discharge summary.5 Although the family lived 5000 miles from the hospital, in February 1997 the boy (then aged 5) had been flown to London and admitted for Wakefield’s project, the undisclosed goal of which was to help sue the vaccine’s manufacturers.6

Wakefield’s “syndrome”
Unknown to Mr 11, Wakefield was working on a lawsuit,7 for which he sought a bowel-brain “syndrome” as its centrepiece. Claiming an undisclosed £150 (€180, $230) an hour through a Norfolk solicitor named Richard Barr, he had been confidentially 8 put on the payroll two years before the paper was published, eventually grossing him £435 643, plus expenses.9

Curiously, however, Wakefield had already identified such a syndrome before the project which would reputedly discover it. “Children with enteritis/disintegrative disorder [an expression he used for bowel inflammation and regressive autism10] form part of a new syndrome,” he and Barr explained in a confidential grant application to the UK government’s Legal Aid Board11 before any of the children were investigated.12 “Nonetheless the evidence is undeniably in favour of a specific vaccine induced pathology.”

The two men also aimed to show a sudden-onset “temporal association”—strong evidence in product liability. “Dr Wakefield feels that if we can show a clear time link between the vaccination and onset of symptoms,” Barr told the legal board, “we should be able to dispose of the suggestion that it’s simply a chance encounter.”13

But child 11’s case must have proved a disappointment. Records show his behavioural symptoms started too soon. “His developmental milestones were normal until 13 months of age,” notes the discharge summary. “In the period 13-18 months he developed slow speech patterns and repetitive hand movements. Over this period his parents remarked on his slow gradual deterioration.”

That put the first symptom two months earlier than reported in the Lancet, and a month before the boy received the MMR vaccination. And this was not the only anomaly to catch the father’s eye. What the paper reported as a “behavioural symptom” was noted in the records as a chest infection.

“Please let me know if Andrew W has his doctor’s license revoked,” wrote Mr 11, who is convinced that many vaccines and environmental pollutants may be responsible for childhood brain disorders. “His misrepresentation of my son in his research paper is inexcusable. His motives for this I may never know.”

The father need not have worried. My investigation of the MMR issue exposed the frauds behind Wakefield’s research. Triggering the longest ever UK General Medical Council fitness to practise hearing, and forcing the Lancet to retract the paper, last May it led to Wakefield and Walker-Smith being struck off the medical register.14 15 16

Wakefield, now 54, who called no witnesses, was branded “dishonest,” “unethical,” and “callous.”14 15 16 Walker-Smith, now 74, the senior clinician in the project, was found to have presided over “high risk”17 research without clinical indication or ethical approval. The developmentally challenged children of often vulnerable parents were discovered to have been treated like the doctors’ guinea pigs.18

Lawsuit test case
But Mr 11 was not the first parent with a child in the study whom I interviewed during my inquiries. That was Mrs 2: the first of the parents to approach Wakefield. She was sent to him by an anti-vaccine campaign called JABS.19 Her son had regressive autism,20 longstanding problems with diarrhoea,21 and was the prime example of the purported bowel and brain syndrome—still unsubstantiated 14 years later.22 This boy would appear in countless media reports, and was one of the four “best” cases in Barr’s lawsuit.

I travelled to the family home, 80 miles northeast of London, to hear about child 2 from his mother. That was in September 2003, when the lawsuit fell apart after counsel representing 1500 families said that, on the evidence, Barr’s autism claims would fail.23 By that time, Mrs 2 had seen her son’s medical records and expert reports written for her case at trial.

Her concerns about MMR had been noted by her general practitioner when her son was 6 years old.24 But she told me the boy’s troubles began after his vaccination, which he received at 15 months.25 “He’d scream all night, and he started head banging, which he’d never done before,” she explained.

“When did that begin, do you think?” I asked.

“That began after a couple of months, a few months afterward, but it was still, it was concerning me enough, I remember going back . . .”

“Sorry. I don’t want to be, like, massively pernickety, but was it a few months, or a couple of months?”

“It was more like a few months because he’d had this, kind of, you know, slide down. He wasn’t right. He wasn’t right. Before he started.”

“Not quicker than two months, but not longer than how many months? What are we talking about here?”

“From memory, about six months, I think.”

The next day, she complained to my editors. She said my methods “seemed more akin to the gutter press.” But I was perplexed by her story, since there was no case in the Lancet that matched her careful account.

According to the paper, child 2 had his “first behavioural symptom” two weeks, not six months, after MMR. This was derived from a Royal Free history (citing “headbanging” and “screaming” as the start26) taken by Mark Berelowitz, a child psychiatrist and a coauthor of the paper.27 He saw Mrs 2 during the boy’s admission, at age 8, after she had discussed her son’s story with Wakefield.28

As I later discovered, each family in the project was involved in such discussions before they saw the hospital’s clinicians.29 Wakefield phoned them at home, and must have at least suggestively questioned them, potentially impacting on later history taking. But I knew little of such things then, and shared my confusion with Walker-Smith, whom I met shortly after Mrs 2.

“There is no case in the paper that is consistent with the case history [Mrs 2] has given me,” I told him. “There just isn’t one.”

“Well that could be true,” the former professor of paediatric gastroenterology replied, disarmingly. He knew the case well, having admitted the boy for the project and written reports for Barr, who paid him £23 000.30

“Well, so either what she is telling me is not accurate, or the paper’s not accurate.”

“Well I can’t really comment,” he said. “You really touch on an area which I don’t think should be debated like this. And I think these parents are wrong to discuss such details, where you could be put in a position of having a lot of medical details and then try to match it with this, because it is a confidential matter.”

It was not merely medically confidential, it was also legally protected: a double screen against public scrutiny. But responding to my first MMR reports, in the Sunday Times in February 2004,31 the GMC decided to investigate the cases and requisitioned the children’s records.32

The regulator’s main focus was whether the research was ethical. Mine was whether it was true. So as a five member disciplinary panel33 trawled through the records, with five Queen’s counsel34 and three defendant doctors,35 I compared them with what was published in the journal.36

Multiple discrepancies
The paper gave the impression that the authors had been scrupulous in documenting the patients’ cases. “Children underwent gastroenterological, neurological, and developmental assessment and review of developmental records,” it explained, specifying that Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV37 criteria were used for neuropsychiatric diagnoses. “Developmental histories included a review of prospective developmental records from parents, health visitors, and general practitioners.”

But, when the details were dissected before the GMC panel, multiple discrepancies emerged. A syndrome necessarily requires at least some consistency, but, as the records were laid out, Wakefield’s crumbled.

First to crack was “regressive autism,” the bedrock of his allegations.38 39 “Bear in mind that we are dealing with regressive autism in these children, not of classical autism where the child is not right from the beginning,” he later explained, for example, to a United States congressional committee.40

But only one—child 2—clearly had regressive autism.41 Three of nine so described clearly did not. None of these three even had autism diagnoses, either at admission or on discharge from the Royal Free.

The paper did not reveal that two of this trio were brothers, living 60 miles south of the hospital. Both had histories of fits and bowel problems42 recorded before their MMR vaccinations.43 44 The elder, child 6, aged 4 years at admission, had Asperger’s syndrome,45 which is distinct from autism under DSM-IV, is not regressive,46 and was confirmed on discharge.47 His brother, child 7, was admitted at nearly 3 years of age without a diagnosis,48 and a post-discharge letter from senior paediatric registrar and Lancet coauthor David Casson49 summarised: “He is not thought to have features of autism.”50

The third in the trio, child 12, was enrolled on the advice of the brothers’ mother—reported in media to be a JABS activist, and who had herself “only relatively recently”51 blamed the vaccine. Child 12 was aged 6 at admission and had previously been assessed for possible Asperger’s syndrome at Guy’s Hospital, London, by a renowned developmental paediatrician.52 53 She diagnosed “an impairment in respect of language”—an opinion left undisturbed by Berelowitz.54 55

Mrs 12 was a GMC witness at its mammoth hearing, which between July 2007 and May 2010 ran for 217 days. She explained that the brothers’ mother had made her suspicious of MMR and had given her Barr’s and Wakefield’s names.56 Mrs 12 then approached them and filed a statement for legal aid before her son was referred.57

“It was like a jigsaw puzzle—it suddenly seemed to fit into place,” she told the panel, describing how she concluded, four years after the boy was vaccinated, that MMR was to blame for his problems. “I had this perfectly normal child who, as I could see, for no apparent reason started to not be normal.”

The 12 children were admitted between July 1996 and February 1997, and others had connections not revealed in the paper, almost as striking as the trio’s. The parents of child 9 and child 10 were contacts of Mrs 2, who ran a group that campaigned against MMR. 58 And child 4 and child 8 were admitted—without outpatient appointments59—for ileocolonoscopy and other invasive procedures, from one Tyneside general practice, 280 miles from the Royal Free, after advice from anti-MMR campaigners.60

Pre-existing problems
Both child 4 and child 8 were among the eight whose parents were reported to have blamed the vaccine. But although the paper specified that all 12 children were “previously normal,”61 both had developmental delays, and also facial dysmorphisms, noted before MMR vaccination.

In the case of child 4, who received the vaccine at age 4 years, Wakefield played down problems, suggesting that early issues had resolved. “Child four was kept under review for the first year of life because of wide bridging of the nose,” he reported in the paper. “He was discharged from follow-up as developmentally normal at age 1 year.”

But medical records, presented by the GMC, give a different picture for this child. Reports from his pre-MMR years were peppered with “concerns over his head and appearance,”62 “recurrent” diarrhoea,63 “developmental delay,”64 “general delay,” and restricted vocabulary.65 And although before his referral to Wakefield his mother had inquired about vaccine damage compensation,66 his files include a report of a “very small deletion within the fragile X gene,”67 and a note of the mother’s view that her concerns about his development had begun when he was 18 months old.68

“In general, his mother thinks he developed normally initially and subsequently his problems worsened, and he lost some of his milestones, but he subsequently improved on a restrictive exclusion diet,” wrote his general practitioner, William Tapsfield, referring the boy, then aged 9, after a phone conversation with Wakefield. “The professionals who have known [child 4] since birth don’t entirely agree with this, however, and there is a suggestion that some of his problems may have started before vaccination.”69

Similarly with child 8, who was also described in the Lancet as having overcome problems recorded before vaccination. “The only girl . . . was noted to be a slow developer compared with her older sister,” the paper said. “She was subsequently found to have coarctation of the aorta. After surgical repair of the aorta at the age of 14 months, she progressed rapidly, and learnt to talk. Speech was lost later.”

But Wakefield was not a paediatrician. He was a former trainee gastrointestinal surgeon with a non-clinical medical school contract.70 And his interpretation differed from that of local consultants (including a developmental paediatrician and a geneticist) who had actually looked after the girl. Her doctors put the coarctation side by side with the delay and dysmorphism,71 and noted of her vocabulary that, before MMR at 18 months, she vocalised only 72 “two or three words.” 73

“[Child 8’s] mother has been to see me and said you need a referral letter from me in order to accept [child 8] into your investigation programme,” the general practitioner, Diana Jelley, wrote to Wakefield at referral, when the girl was aged 3 and a half years. “I would simply re-iterate . . . that both the hospital and members of the primary care team involved with [child 8] had significant concerns about her development some months before she had her MMR.”74

The girl’s general practice notes also provide insight into the background to the 12 children’s referrals. After person(s) unknown told Mrs 8 that her daughter may have inflammatory bowel disease, Jelley wrote: “Mum taking her to Dr Wakefield, Royal Free Hospital for CT scans/gut biopsies ?Crohn’s—will need ref letter—Dr W to phone me. Funded through legal aid.”75

The child was “pale”
The remaining five children served Wakefield’s claims no better. There was still no convincing MMR syndrome. Child 1, aged 3 years when he was referred to London, lived 100 miles from the Royal Free, and had an older brother who was diagnosed as autistic.76 Child 1’s recorded story began when he was aged 9 months, with a “new patient” note by general practitioner Andrea Barrow.77 One of the mother’s concerns was that he could not hear properly—which might sound like a hallmark presentation of classical autism, the emergence of which is often insidious. Indeed, a Royal Free history, by neurologist and coauthor Peter Harvey, noted “normal milestones” until “18 months or so.”78

Child 1 was vaccinated at 12 months of age, however. 79 Thus neither 9 nor 18 months helped Wakefield’s case. But in the Lancet, the “first behavioural symptom” was reported “1 week” after the injection, holding the evidence for the lawsuit on track.

Step 1 to achieve this: two and a half years after the child was vaccinated, Walker-Smith took an outpatient history. Although the mother apparently had no worries following her son’s vaccination,80 the professor elicited that the boy was “pale” 7-10 days after the shot. He also elicited that the child “possibly” had a fever, and “may” have been delirious, as well as pale.81

“It’s difficult to associate a clear historical link with the MMR and the answer to autism,” Walker-Smith wrote to the general practitioner,82 with a similar letter to Wakefield, “although [Mrs 1] does believe that [child 1] had an illness 7-10 days after MMR when he was pale, ?fever, ?delirious, but wasn’t actually seen by a doctor.”

Step 2: for the Lancet, Wakefield dropped the question marks, turning Walker-Smith’s queries into assertions. And, although Royal Free admission83 and discharge84 records refer to “classical” autism, step 3, the former surgeon reported “delirium” as the first “behavioural symptom” of regressive autism, with, step 4, a “time to onset” of 7 days.

So here—behind the paper—is how Wakefield evidenced his “syndrome” for the lawsuit, and built his platform to launch the vaccine scare.

“It is significant that this syndrome only appeared with the introduction of the polyvalent MMR vaccine in 1988 rather than with the monovalent measles vaccine introduced in 1968,” he claimed in one of a string of patents he filed for businesses to be spun from the research.85 “This indicates that MMR is responsible for this condition rather than just the measles virus.”

Three of the four remaining children were seen in outpatients on the same day—in November 1996. None of their families were reported in the paper as blaming the vaccine. Child 5, from Berkshire, aged 7 at admission, had received MMR at 16 months.86 The paper reported concerns at 18 months, but the medical records noted fits87 and parental worries88 at 11 months. Child 9, aged 6, from Jersey, also had MMR at 16 months.89 His mother dated problems from 18-20 months.90 Child 10, aged 4, from south Wales, contracted a viral infection, which was suspected by parents and doctors to have caused his disorder, four months after his vaccination.91

“Behavioural changes included repetitive behaviour, disinterest in play or head banging,” said a question and answer statement issued by the medical school, concerning the Lancet 12, on the day of the paper’s publication.

Another discrepancy to emerge during the GMC hearing concerned the number of families who blamed MMR. The paper said that eight (1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, and 11) linked developmental issues with the vaccine. But the total in the records was actually 11. The parents of child 5,92 9,93 and 1294 were also noted at the hospital as blaming the vaccine, but their stated beliefs were omitted from the journal.

Case selection
The frequency of these beliefs should not have surprised Wakefield, retained as he was to support a lawsuit. In the month that Barr engaged him—two years before the paper was published—the lawyer touted the doctor in a confidential newsletter to his MMR clients and contacts. “He has deeply depressing views about the effect of vaccines on the nation’s children,” Barr said.95 “He is also anxious to arrange for tests to be carried out on any children . . . who are showing symptoms of possible Crohn’s disease. The following are signs to look for. If your child has suffered from all or any of these symptoms could you please contact us, and it may be appropriate to put you in touch with Dr Wakefield.”

The listed symptoms included pain, weight loss, fever, and mouth ulcers. Clients and contacts were quickly referred.96 Thus, an association between autism, digestive issues, and worries about MMR—the evidence that launched the vaccine scare—was bound to be found by the Royal Free’s clinicians because this was how the children were selected.97

Moreover, through the omission from the paper of some parents’ beliefs that the vaccine was to blame, the time link for the lawsuit sharpened. With concerns logged from 11 of 12 families, the maximum time given to the onset of alleged symptoms was a (forensically unhelpful) four months. But, in a version of the paper circulated at the Royal Free six months before publication, reported concerns fell to nine of 12 families but with a still unhelpful maximum of 56 days.98 Finally, Wakefield settled on 8 of 12 families, with a maximum interval to alleged symptoms of 14 days.

Between the latter two versions, revisions also slashed the mean time to alleged symptoms—from 14 to 6.3 days. “In these children the mean interval from exposure to the MMR vaccine to the development of the first behavioural symptom was six days, indicating a strong temporal association,” he emphasised in a patent for, among other things, his own prophylactic measles vaccine,99 eight months before the Lancet paper.

This leaves child 3. He was 6½ and lived on Merseyside: 200 miles from the hospital. He received MMR at 14 months,100 with the first concerns recorded in the general practitioner’s notes 15 months after that.101 His mother—who 4 years later contacted Wakefield on the advice of JABS102—told me that her son had become aggressive towards a brother, and records say that his vocabulary had not developed.103

“We both felt that the MMR needle had made [child 3] go the way he is today,” the parents wrote to a local paediatric neurologist, Lewis Rosenbloom, 18 months before their son’s referral to London.104 They told him they wanted “justice” from the vaccine’s manufacturer, and that they had been turned down for legal aid.105 “Although it is said that the MMR has never been proven to make children to be autistic, we believe that the injection has made [child 3] to be mentally delayed, which in turn may have triggered off the autism.”

I visited this family twice. Their affected son was now a teenager and a challenge both to himself and to others. His mother said his diagnosis was originally “severe learning difficulties with autistic tendencies” but that she had fought to get it changed to autism.106

As for a connection with MMR, there was only suspicion. I do not think his family was sure, one way or the other.107 When I asked why they took him to the Royal Free, his father replied: “We were just vulnerable, we were looking for answers.”

What was unquestionably true was that child 3 had serious bowel trouble: intractable, lifelong, constipation.108 This was the most consistent feature among the 12 children’s symptoms and signs109 but, being the opposite of an expected finding in inflammatory bowel disease,110 111 it was nowhere mentioned in the paper. This young man’s was so severe that he was dosed at his special school, his mother said, with up to five packets of laxative a day.

“You always knew when his stomach was hard,” she told me, in terms echoed over the years by many parents involved with Wakefield. “He would start headbutting, kicking, breaking anything in the house. Then he would go to the toilet and release it.”

For the Royal Free team, however, when reporting on these patients, such motility issues 112 were sidelined in the hunt for Wakefield’s syndrome. In almost all the children, they noted commonly swollen glands in the terminal ileum, and what was reported as “non-specific colitis.”113 114 In fact, as I revealed in the BMJ last April,115 the hospital’s pathology service found the children’s colons to be largely normal, but a medical school “review” changed the results.

In this evolution of the gut pathology noted in the records to what was published in the paper, child 3’s case is a prime example. After ileocolonoscopy (which, GMC prosecution and defence experts agreed, was not clinically indicated116), the hospital’s pathologists found all colonic samples to be “within normal histological limits”.117 But three months after the boy was discharged, Walker-Smith recalled the records and changed the diagnosis to “indeterminate ileocolitis”.118

“I think, sadly, this was the first child who was referred, and the long term help we were able to give in terms of dealing with constipation was not there,” he told the GMC panel. “However, we had excluded Crohn’s disease and we had done our best to try and help this child, but in the end we did not.”

So that is the Lancet 12: the foundation of the vaccine scare. No case was free of misreporting or alteration. Taken together, NHS records cannot be reconciled with what was published, to such devastating effect, in the journal (table⇓).

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Comparison of three features of the 12 children in the Lancet paper with features apparent in the NHS records, including those from the Royal Free hospital

Wakefield, however, denies wrongdoing, in any respect whatsoever.119 He says he never claimed that the children had regressive autism, nor that he said they were previously normal. He never misreported or changed any findings in the study, and never patented a measles vaccine. None of the children were Barr’s clients before referral to the hospital, and he never received huge payments from the lawyer. There were no conflicts of interest. He is the victim of a conspiracy.120 121 He never linked autism with MMR.

“Mr Deer’s implications of fraud against me are claims that a trained physician and researcher of good standing had suddenly decided he was going to fake data for his own enrichment,” he said in a now abandoned complaint against me to the UK Press Complaints Commission. “The other authors generated and ‘prepared’ all the data that was reported in the Lancet. I merely put their completed data in tables and narrative form for the purpose of submission for publication.”

But, despite signing up to claim credit for a paper in the Lancet, his co-authors Walker-Smith and Murch did not even know which case was which. Walker-Smith said he had “trusted” Wakefield.122 “When I signed that paper, I signed with good intent,” he told the GMC panel. Denying any wrongdoing, he argued that the published report was not even about MMR, but merely described a new “clinico-pathological entity”. He said that the admissions to the Royal Free were “entirely related to gastroenterological illness” and how the children were sourced was “irrelevant” and “immaterial.” His lawyers said that he was appealing against the panel’s decision and on these grounds they had advised him not to respond to my questions.

The journal, meanwhile, took 12 years to retract the paper, by which time its mischief had been exported. As parents’ confidence slowly returned in Britain, the scare took off around the world, unleashing fear, guilt, and infectious diseases—and fuelling suspicion of vaccines in general. In addition to measles outbreaks, other infections are resurgent, with Mr 11’s home state of California last summer seeing 10 babies dead from whooping cough, in the worst outbreak since 1958.123

Wakefield, nevertheless, now apparently self-employed and professionally ruined, remains championed by a sad rump of disciples. “Dr Wakefield is a hero,” is how one mother caught their mood in a recent Dateline NBC TV investigation, featuring the story of the doctor and me.124 “I don’t know where we would be without him.”

How the link was fixed
The Lancet paper was a case series of 12 child patients; it reported a proposed “new syndrome” of enterocolitis and regressive autism and associated this with MMR as an “apparent precipitating event.” But in fact:

Three of nine children reported with regressive autism did not have autism diagnosed at all. Only one child clearly had regressive autism

Despite the paper claiming that all 12 children were “previously normal,” five had documented pre-existing developmental concerns

Some children were reported to have experienced first behavioural symptoms within days of MMR, but the records documented these as starting some months after vaccination

In nine cases, unremarkable colonic histopathology results—noting no or minimal fluctuations in inflammatory cell populations—were changed after a medical school “research review” to “non-specific colitis”

The parents of eight children were reported as blaming MMR, but 11 families made this allegation at the hospital. The exclusion of three allegations—all giving times to onset of problems in months—helped to create the appearance of a 14 day temporal link

Patients were recruited through anti-MMR campaigners, and the study was commissioned and funded for planned litigation

Notes
Cite this as: BMJ 2011;342:c5347

Footnotes
Funding: Brian Deer’s investigation was funded by the Sunday Times of London and the Channel 4 television network. Reports by Deer in the BMJ were commissioned and paid for by the journal. No other funding was received, apart from legal costs paid to Deer by the Medical Protection Society on behalf of Andrew Wakefield.

Competing interests: The author has completed the unified competing interest form at www.icmje.org/coi_disclosure.pdf (available on request from him) and declares no support from any organisation for the submitted work; no financial relationships with any organisation that might have an interest in the submitted work in the previous three years; BD’s investigation led to the GMC proceedings referred to in this report, including the charges. He made many submissions of information but was not a party or witness in the case, nor involved in its conduct.

Provenance and peer review: Commissioned; externally peer reviewed."

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Posted by i doubt you'll get through the first paragraphs "researcher" on October 9, 2011 at 6:16 PM
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@50: I would accept your child being hospitalized over a one-time-only anaphylactic over your my child contracting a horrendous, life-changing disease due to your inability to think outside your family.
Posted by suddenlyorcas on October 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM
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@57: "Oh shit, nobody's listening to my emotional mommy points. Better pull out the tinfoil hat! That'll learn them!"

Posted by suddenlyorcas on October 9, 2011 at 7:14 PM
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Yes Wakefield was so smeared that he was invited to speak the the to the American Accociation of Physicians and Surgeons on Oct 10, 2011. Hummm? I would say you will look like a giant ass when the truth breaks on this but I think you would rather enjoy that.
Posted by Kodawe on October 9, 2011 at 8:31 PM
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The vax-heads have to constantly maintain a united front that all vaccines are always good and all of the time. For them, any admission that there is potential for risk in any vaccine will begin to deconstruct the shell of denial and laziness that is the bedrock of their belief. Oh, and it is a belief.

So let me again state on this thread, for none of the vax-heads has made nary a peep about it on here (though Sgt. Doom also referenced it), the nation of Finland has now openly admitted that the swine flu vaccine “conclusively” causes narcolepsy:

http://cryptogon.com/?p=25354

Trolldy and the other vax-heads really show their true colors on threads like these. They are aggressively willing to stand by big government and the nakedly corrupt pharmaceutical industry with such a fervor and blind faith. Progressive indeed.
Posted by Spindles on October 9, 2011 at 9:08 PM
venomlash 65
@64: You need to make your citations shipshape there, amigo. When you put the word "conclusively" in quotes (like I just did), you are claiming that that same word appears in the source. But it doesn't; the word "conclusive" does. Now, it doesn't even say what you say it says. You say that they've admitted that the "vaccine 'conclusively' causes narcolepsy". They haven't. They've admitted a conclusive LINK BETWEEN THE TWO. These are not the same thing; for example, there is an INCREDIBLY strong link between popsicle sales and rates of drowning. This conclusive link does not, in fact, mean that popsicles cause drowning.
We're not in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industry, Spindles. We just know how to do statistics.
Posted by venomlash on October 9, 2011 at 10:12 PM
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@63: You fucking moron, that's a Libertarian quack group that doesn't believe in AIDS.
Posted by they don't care if ANYONE is licensed to practice on October 9, 2011 at 10:19 PM
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"Rand Paul, MD, the Republican Senate candidate from Kentucky, is a member of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS), prwatch.org reports. According to the article, AAPS denies that HIV causes AIDS. The AAPS statement of principles say that it's "evil" and "immoral" to participate in Medicare and Social Security."

Yup.
Posted by again Kodawe shows his/herself to be a shit parent on October 9, 2011 at 10:20 PM
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@64: "The vax-heads have to constantly maintain a united front that all vaccines are always good and all of the time."

Even if there was a causative link (which is not guaranteed) it wouldn't make any of your other statements based in reality.
Posted by goalpost shifting is for you pseudoskeptics on October 9, 2011 at 10:22 PM
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@65 Are you stalking me?
Posted by Spindles on October 9, 2011 at 10:26 PM
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Ah yes... The true colors emerge. Spoken like a true provax professional. No matter who questions vaccines, they are all quacks. Hundreds of thousands of medical professionals around the world question vaccines , yet to you they are all idiots. I figured by reading the title on this article I was talking with some backwood hillbilly that did not know any better. Yet, i have in all actuallity found the author and friends are intellectual giants. You cannot for one minute tell me you fo not have dome sort of financial interest in this, otherwise, why would you spend every waking hour fighting for vaccination. Hell, they are already mainstream, go get one, shut up and go about your life. Oh wait, maybe you do not have a life, so this is what you do for fun. I don't even know why I give any amount of my day to hateful, egocentric, stupid, brainwashed, unquestioning followers of corporate greed. I'm done giving anymore of my day to you ... Peace out! ... Or should I say hail Hitler, alvetazen!
Posted by Kodawe on October 10, 2011 at 12:20 AM
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@70: "Hundreds of thousands of medical professionals around the world question vaccines"

Science is getting paid to question everything.

The answers they find are that vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and trustworthy. There's no money in this consensus.
Posted by your mind's so open your brain fell out on October 10, 2011 at 12:26 AM
KittenKoder 72
I wonder what happened with the Swine Flu?
Posted by KittenKoder http://digitalnoisegraffiti.com/ on October 10, 2011 at 2:26 AM
Rev.Smith 73
Suggestions for both sides:
Read the article again and note the dates/ages specified.
Note also that midwives, peditricians and old wives all recommend spending your full FMLA time period at home with baby, breast feeding exclusively if possible. That's 3 months. I've had 5 pediatricians and all of them have said 'don't take the baby out, if possible, for those first 3 months.
Do a small bit of math: 2 months of non vaccinable new baby age is 1 less than 3 months of doc recommended and law-provided stay at home time. 1 month buffer.
(Note immunities granted by breastfeeding, as a sidenote)
(question the journalist about how many kids have medical complications causing infection, injury or death in relation to getting vacs? Stats on both sides would be fair, if not expected of a 'news' story)
Now,
If I keep my baby away from stadiums full of people, trains, planes etc for those first 3 months as recommended, and THEN vaccinate, how the hell does it matter what other people are choosing to do with THEIR kids? No dead babies. Everyone wins

Who's truly the stupider parent - the one choosing not to add the possibility of infection via needling their kid (or more likely, misdosing*) - or, the parent who ignores both conventional and medical wisdom and goes out looking for immunity system trouble during the first 8 weeks, before their baby's even done shitting tar?

*- I think the autism 'link' is a total crock of shit no matter what celebrity endorses it , though the chemical-pollutants-in-vacs issues may have merit;
however, my oldest was dangerously doubledipped on vacs because the docs screwed up paperwork/couldn't read their own handwriting.... and I'm not so arrogant as to think doctors aren't human and make mistakes: no medical procedure, simple or not, is risk free: there's a exponential increase in the need for/ likelihood of medical interventions with each injection.
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Posted by Rev.Smith on October 10, 2011 at 4:31 AM
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@63 "American Accociation of Physicians and Surgeons," wow that sounds official. Only people with real authority could use a name like that, right?

They are a political organization, not primarily a scientific/medical one. I have no problem with doctors and scientists throwing their weight into a political issue, but they should be honest about it, with a name like "Union of Concerned Scientists" or "Doctors Without Borders." A name designed to sound completely neutral and like they're speaking for all doctors is a sure tip-off that you're dealing with charlatans.
Posted by Margaret L. on October 10, 2011 at 6:24 AM
venomlash 75
@69: No, why? Do you think everyone's stalking you?
Posted by venomlash on October 10, 2011 at 7:21 AM
Alcharisi 76
I'm impressed that it took all of 69 comments to Godwin this thread.
Posted by Alcharisi on October 10, 2011 at 8:49 AM
venomlash 77
@70: I had to look at your post a few times to realize that what you meant was "auf wiedersehen". Please stop vomiting this idiocy onto our internets.
Posted by venomlash on October 10, 2011 at 9:50 AM
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77@ ha ha, you always seem to post right after me. I'm not really serious. sheesh.
Posted by Spindles on October 10, 2011 at 11:10 AM
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@75...Oh, I mean 75....
Posted by Spindles on October 10, 2011 at 11:12 AM
venomlash 80
@78: Sure, but do you see the point I'm making?
Posted by venomlash on October 10, 2011 at 11:33 AM
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@80 Well, 'conclusive' is how this Yahoo news article put it: http://news.yahoo.com/finland-vows-care-…

Is conclusive is too strong a word? Well, the Finnish government seems sure enough of the link to pay for “lifetime medical care” for 79 children who have been irreparably damaged by the swine flu vaccine.
Posted by Spindles on October 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM
Rev.Smith 82
@81 yeah, plus it wasn't merely Finns, they put together an international team to verify results.

The worst/most damning quote from that yahoo link is:

"Of these [79] cases, an unusually high number, 76, also suffered from bouts of cataplexy, suffering hallucinations or paralysing physical collapses, according to Finnish research."

Hallucinations and paralysing?
Holy fuck. I mean it's just one of many vaccine cocktails out there, and there's likely 99 good ones to this 1 gawdawful one, but ARE THERE NO LEGIT SAFEGUARDS?? 4 different awful symptom results and no pre-market lab work / gov testing revealed any hint that this would happen??!
Posted by Rev.Smith on October 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM
venomlash 83
@81: There is a conclusive LINK. There is no conclusive CAUSATION.
Now, that vaccine may have caused some problems, but the report doesn't say that it did. You lose all credibility when you pull things out of your ass like this.
Posted by venomlash on October 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM
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On the one hand you're calling Jenny McCarthy C-list and irrelevant, on the other hand you're saying she possesses the influence to force people to kill their own babies.

You also suggest that, aside from the questions she raises about vaccinces, her big boobs are another reason she should not be taken seriously.

Solid.
Posted by Amanda on October 10, 2011 at 12:37 PM
undead ayn rand 85
@72: Yet again, KittenKoder thinks MMR is the same thing as the Swine Flu, proving herself to be a blithering idiot in every subject she tackles.

I can't wait for there to be a thread about coding so she can fail at that, too.
Posted by undead ayn rand on October 10, 2011 at 1:00 PM
undead ayn rand 86
@81: "Well, the Finnish government seems sure enough of the link to pay for “lifetime medical care” for 79 children who have been irreparably damaged by the swine flu vaccine."

They are paying for care for children who were diagnosed AND have received the vaccine. Not the same thing.

If you're actually concerned about vaccine funds, we'd be glad to discuss the nature of them, but I doubt you're interested in reading.
Posted by undead ayn rand on October 10, 2011 at 1:06 PM
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I still say that even if vaccines cause autism--which is not true, but whatever--even if they do, I'd rather my kid be autistic than have whooping cough, or any of the other fun diseases that ought to have been killed off by now.
Posted by doodle4395 on October 10, 2011 at 2:13 PM
undead ayn rand 88
http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/topics…

"Narcolepsy is a condition that has a strong genetic linkage, being almost uniquely seen in persons who have the (HLA) DQB1*0602 genotype. Of the cases of narcolepsy tested so far in Finland (n=29), diagnosed during 2009-2010, all have that genotype. The National Institute for Health and Welfare of Finland considers it probable that the Pandemrix vaccine was a contributing factor to this observed increase, and has called for further investigation of other co-factors that may be associated with the increased risk. They consider it most likely that the vaccine increased the risk of narcolepsy in a joint effect in those genetically disposed with some other, still unknown, genetic and/or environmental factors. The final report from the Finnish National Narcolepsy Task Force is expected by 31 August 2011.

The Swedish Medical Products Agency recognizes that further work is needed with respect to the findings in their preliminary report - particularly with regards to the verification of the diagnoses of the cases ascertained from the county health care databases. Also, in the report there is no assessment as to whether publicity about the purported association influenced rates in vaccinated compared to unvaccinated persons. Further investigations include a review by the European Medicines Agency (EMA) on the benefit-risk balance of Pandemrix, which is expected by July 2011. At their meeting in April 2011, the EMA Committee for Medicinal Products for Human Use (CHMP) agreed an interim recommendation for prescribers to take into account preliminary results from epidemiological studies on Pandemrix and narcolepsy, and to perform an individual benefit-risk assessment when considering the use of Pandemrix in children and adolescents3. Results from an epidemiological study of narcolepsy and pandemic vaccines in nine EU States by the VAESCO project are expected by June 20114.

WHO's Global Advisory Committee on Vaccine Safety (GACVS) reviewed the available data from Finland on 4 February 2011 and the new data from Sweden on 18 April 2011. GACVS agrees that further investigation is warranted concerning narcolepsy and vaccination against influenza (H1N1) 2009 with Pandemrix and other pandemic H1N1 vaccines. An increased risk of narcolepsy has not been observed in association with the use of any vaccines whether against influenza or other diseases in the past. Even at this stage, it does not appear that narcolepsy following vaccination against pandemic influenza is a general worldwide phenomenon, as no excess of narcolepsy has been reported from several other European states where Pandemrix was used, or from Canada where a pandemic vaccine similar to pandemrix was used. This complicates interpretation of the findings in Finland and Sweden. It seems likely that some as yet unidentified additional factor was operating in Sweden and Finland. The findings from the VAESCO project and further investigations in Finland and Sweden, may help clarify the determinants of any increased risk of narcolepsy, which currently appears to be restricted to the months following vaccination and by age group and country."

Of interest is that those results only appeared in Sweden/Finland, not in any other nation. Thus, further studies will/should be done to determine why those numbers were so high.

The care will be paid preliminarily out of the fund, as is responsible. That does not mean that the numbers are necessarily a reflection of a causal link.

It'll be interesting to see what happens, but this is not a quick process.
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Posted by undead ayn rand on October 10, 2011 at 3:01 PM
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@88 Ms. Rand,

Thank you for bringing up the 800 pound gorilla that is waiting in the wings. The topic of genetic testing for predisposition should both thrill and terrorize us. On the plus side, potential treatments targeted to genetic disease and susceptibility*, on the minus, once the insurer knows, will the family get permanently dropped from coverage. Standing between the two are laws set in place by our government. Sadly, the actuarial estimates done on our whole population should render the problem moot: the costs and risks for the complete population are constantly under study. BUT, if the insurance companies could drop the high risk families years before the high cost treatments were necessary, would they in order to increase profit? Can we trust our government to make and enforce laws to protect all of us?

* Germaine to this thread would be avoiding negative side effects potentiated by genetic predisposition.

Peace.
Posted by Married in MA on October 10, 2011 at 4:50 PM
Rev.Smith 90
@84 - don't forget that she's blonde and a womanfolk, too. I mean heck, her kind haven't even had the vote for a hundred years yet...

Again though: yes, the touted link between autism and vacs is thin if not invisible, and yes, stupid parents suck.
I just contend that the truly stupidest parents aren't the overprotective/not-willing-to-play-the-odds-at-all ones, but the IGNORANT/ARROGANT parents taking their newborns out in places and at young ages where they could , without any doubt, be raising their chances of getting sick. Anti-vaccine-ness isn't killing babies, but stupid parents sure aren't helping.
Posted by Rev.Smith on October 11, 2011 at 3:22 PM
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Nations requiring the most vaccines tend to have the worst infant mortality rates

http://het.sagepub.com/content/early/201…

Abstract

The infant mortality rate (IMR) is one of the most important indicators of the socio-economic well-being and public health conditions of a country. The US childhood immunization schedule specifies 26 vaccine doses for infants aged less than 1 year—the most in the world—yet 33 nations have lower IMRs. Using linear regression, the immunization schedules of these 34 nations were examined and a correlation coefficient of r = 0.70 (p < 0.0001) was found between IMRs and the number of vaccine doses routinely given to infants. Nations were also grouped into five different vaccine dose ranges: 12–14, 15–17, 18–20, 21–23, and 24–26. The mean IMRs of all nations within each group were then calculated. Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates, with r = 0.992 (p = 0.0009). Using the Tukey-Kramer test, statistically significant differences in mean IMRs were found between nations giving 12–14 vaccine doses and those giving 21–23, and 24–26 doses. A closer inspection of correlations between vaccine doses, biochemical or synergistic toxicity, and IMRs is essential.

Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates

Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates

Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates

Linear regression analysis of unweighted mean IMRs showed a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates

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Posted by lessnoise on October 11, 2011 at 9:02 PM
venomlash 92
@91: Correlation does not imply causation, twinkletoes. Have you considered the possibility that maybe some countries require more vaccines because they have high IMR, and think that immunizing their children will solve the problem?
Please, leave statistical analysis to us big boys and girls who actually know a thing or two about statistics.
Posted by venomlash on October 12, 2011 at 12:36 AM
93
@91: "Nations requiring the most vaccines tend to have the worst infant mortality rates "

Did you graduate high school?

There is the most basic flaw in your argument.
Posted by lessnoise would be for you to stop posting on October 12, 2011 at 1:49 AM
94
If you believe in vaccines you shouldnt worry about unvaccinated kids. Supposedly yours are protectes so no problem. After reading most of the postings I would say vaccines definitely contribute to neurologic dysfunction. When there are more threats than facts, you dont look serious or competent
Posted by obviously smarter than you on October 12, 2011 at 3:03 AM
95
@94: "If you believe in vaccines you shouldnt worry about unvaccinated kids. Supposedly yours are protectes so no problem"

Herd immunity you fucking moron.

"When there are more threats than facts, you dont look serious or competent"

Non-physician, non-graduated from high school, heal thyself.

Posted by reading a book wouldn't kill you on October 12, 2011 at 3:27 AM
96
@94: I have no problem with you allowing your children to waste away from a disease that could have been entirely avoided by taking a teeny tiny shot as a baby. What I do have a problem with is your disease-vector then running around and infecting my nephew, who is still too young for his shots, or his grandparents, who have weakened immune systems in the first place.

Your dead kid = meh

My dead kid = your head on a pike

Got it?
Posted by suddenlyorcas on October 12, 2011 at 6:45 AM
97
I also hate how they act like autism is fucking cancer or something. I mean, obviously, you don't get autism from vaccines, but the logic is annoying.Like its an equal risk--die of whooping cough...or get AUTISM!!! My bf is on the spectrum, I work with people on the spectrum. Most people I know on the spectrum are great! That's barring people who are nonverbal, which is a huge parenting challenge (though the NV kids I've known have actually been really cool too). But still! Prejudice much?
Posted by sallybobally on October 12, 2011 at 7:51 AM
dirac 98
@96 Lulz. Ah, my, my, my, the embodiment of selflessness. It's funny that people on the "right side of science" are so terribly irrational and compassionate. Even to those who are admittedly very ignorant you'll find a way to want to kill them and also not care about the passing of their family.

Remind me of why you're so highly evolved?
Posted by dirac on October 12, 2011 at 9:45 AM
venomlash 99
@98: The point is that refusing to vaccinate your kid doesn't just affect your kid, but every other kid he comes in contact with. The point is not about selfishness; the point is that it is EVERYONE'S business whether kids get vaccinated.
Posted by venomlash on October 12, 2011 at 10:35 AM
dirac 100
@99 Yes, I get it. I am not terribly dumb, just a little. I am sorry to be sooooo OT sir but I was making another point.
Posted by dirac on October 12, 2011 at 10:47 AM
undead ayn rand 101
@98: " It's funny that people on the "right side of science" are so terribly irrational and compassionate. Even to those who are admittedly very ignorant you'll find a way to want to kill them and also not care about the passing of their family. "

As we're not going to vaccinate your children through force, we cannot legislate you being a bad parent. We do not sincerely want your children to DIE.
Posted by undead ayn rand on October 12, 2011 at 11:17 AM
dirac 102
@101 I'd never NOT vaccinate my children if I had any. I am merely criticizing the *impulse* to kill as hypocritical.
Posted by dirac on October 12, 2011 at 11:29 AM
Lissa 103
@102: Thanks for the tone trolling dude.

Personally I won't be calling for anyone's death, but I do think that there should be at least civil, if not criminal action, taken against anti-vaxers if it were to be proven that through their selfish stupidity any child, including their own, should die or be made ill.
I will also admit to a burning desire to kick Jenny McCarthy in the ankle.
Posted by Lissa on October 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM
dirac 104
@103 Certainly sounded like you did and also another guy earlier in the thread made some interesting threats. Ok, enjoy your fantasies!
Posted by dirac on October 12, 2011 at 3:01 PM
MyChalkLine 105
#3 & #9 How sick that you would threaten peoples lives because of your dipsh!t beliefs and praises in medical science. The same medical science that claimed for years Tylenol was perfectly harmless. Have you ever looked at the lawsuits against pharmaceutical companies? I think if you have any children in your household you should be investigated because your threats to commit murder don't sound sane at all. I'm glad i didn't have a crazy mother like your children obviously do. Vaccinations are the least of their worries, unless there is a vaccination for the crazy they might catch from you.

#21 I couldn't have said it better myself. Like #34 I completely agree.

What a waste of time it was for me to read such utter nonsense. Both the story and the comments. Extremist Liberals, like Goldy, are looking more insane with each vaccination story they write. "Baby Killers?" seriously do you support abortion?

Herd Immunity? More like Herd Stupidity.
Posted by MyChalkLine on October 12, 2011 at 6:25 PM
MyChalkLine 106
@81 You didn't 'lose all credibility' as the arrogant, yet idiotic, pussycat has claimed. That's just her way of saying: oh sh!t, you got me. Thanks for the link.
Posted by MyChalkLine on October 12, 2011 at 6:40 PM
venomlash 107
@105: While I'm all for taking what big pharma says with a hefty grain of salt, the science is entirely in favor of vaccination. This isn't a few companies touting their wares; this is independent, peer-reviewed, eminently-qualified scientists concluding that yes, it is far better for people to be vaccinated against common diseases.
@106: In fairness, sgt_doom doesn't have any credibility to lose.
Posted by venomlash on October 12, 2011 at 10:34 PM
dirac 108
@107 I'll trust sgt_dooms politics any day before I'll believe your sycophantic angling. In vaccines you may have a point though.
Posted by dirac on October 12, 2011 at 11:51 PM
Rev.Smith 109
@103 .... flawed logic, or just a nasty litigious nature? which is it?

if "those who by their choices might someday risk our lives via disease/selfishness & stupidity" were made to be illegal, then

people having unprotected sex
actors who show up to work with a cold
federal politicians
lab workers at glaxosmithkline
condoms that break
several thousand workers at CDC and universities across the globe
dishwashers with unhealed cuts
serial killers who reproduce
gay men at bathhouses
lazy or undertrained hospital staff (e.g. the nurse at VM who put cleaning fluid in an IV once)
a few select school nurses
airlines with close quarters and recirculated air

....might all be jailed.
sigh. The selfish stupidity lies in those that bemoan those who are making a different choice than them (about what gets put in their kids body) WHILE also refusing to take simple precautions to keep their own EXTREMELY vunerable members of our society out of harm's way, in very simple ways. It just smacks of controlfreak/hypocrit: "do it my way, because my way makes me happy. but fuck your way and your happiness. why? 'cause it's not mine". Herd = homogeny. You fail at America/diversity.

[ see also the article online about the couple that got lost in a corn maze this week - and freaked out and begged 911 to rescue them because it was dark/getting cold and they'd brought their THREE WEEK old newborn along... more fools who expected the larger society to bail them out because THEY wanted their happiness despite common sense]
Posted by Rev.Smith on October 13, 2011 at 1:24 PM
venomlash 110
@108: Dude, have you READ the shit that Sarge posts?
"Herp SAYS he's in favor of Durrhurr, but his great-nephew twice removed is Derp, who used to work for HurrCorp, and HurrCorp is just a spin-off of InterDurr, which opposes Durrhurr, so CLEARLY we can't trust Herp one inch. NEVER FORGIVE WALL STREET FAT CATS NEVER FORGET ANAONMOUSE ARE LEEGON LOL."
Posted by venomlash on October 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM
Rev.Smith 111
Also: KBTC / frontline is on air right now with a good 'fair/balanced' story episode' the vaccine war' - YAY PUBLIC TV!
Posted by Rev.Smith on October 13, 2011 at 9:41 PM

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