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Thursday, September 29, 2011

Is Rob McKenna a Crappy Liar, or a Crappy Lawyer?

Posted by on Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 12:58 PM

Yesterday the Obama administration formally appealed a ruling by a federal court in Atlanta striking down the individual insurance mandate, a core provision of the controversial Affordable Care Act (ACA). This will almost surely put the issue before US Supreme Court in its coming session, with a decision to come during the 2012 presidential election season. But 2012 is also a gubernatorial election season here in Washington state, which means Attorney General Rob McKenna has some serious 'splainin' to do about how his words don't match his actions.

The issue is "severability." In talking to both the press and the public, McKenna has insisted that he is not seeking to toss out the health care reform act in its entirety, but rather, just the individual mandate. According to McKenna, the mandate is legally severable from the rest of the ACA. From a policy perspective, it's a bullshit argument on its surface, as key reforms like eliminating preexisting conditions don't work without the mandate. But legally, this claim also flies in the face of what he and his fellow attorneys general are telling the courts:

At the same time, however, the winners in that appellate case, 26 states and the National Federation of Independent Business, also asked for high court review Wednesday, saying the entire law, and not just the individual insurance mandate, should be struck down.

McKenna's office told the Seattle Times that he was overruled by his co-plaintiffs, explaining that in a multi-state lawsuit "an individual state can't necessarily dictate to the group every aspect of the case." But that's an excuse that simply does not jibe with the timeline of a lawsuit which by his own account, McKenna took the lead in pursuing. "[T]wo of us got together, and others joined us," McKenna told the Christian Science Monitor back in March of 2010, in explaining the genesis of the lawsuit.

And it's a lawsuit that from its very first filing for summary judgement, has always sought to toss out the entire ACA:

Plaintiffs have established that the Act's Individual Mandate and Medicaid provisions are unconstitutional. Because each of these portions is essential to the [Affordable Care Act (ACA)] as a whole, neither can be severed. It follows, as a matter of law, that the unconstitutionality of either renders the entire Act unconstitutional. Accordingly, Plaintiffs ask, as requested in Counts One and Four of the Amended Complaint, that the Court declare the entire ACA unconstitutional and enjoin its enforcement.

Severability is not some new issue that's suddenly popped up on appeal despite McKenna's best intentions. His lawsuit—the one he claims he took the lead in filing—has always argued that the individual mandate cannot be severed from the rest of the act. So how he can simultaneously argue in a court of law against severability, while arguing in the court of public opinion for it, and still maintain his credibility, just beggars the imagination. I mean, if he is truly at odds with his co-plaintiffs over the severability issue—if he really doesn't want to toss out the entire ACA—he could always withdraw from the case and file his own.

But when McKenna tells an audience that "it is inconceivable that one lawsuit could bring down the entire measure," at the same time he's asking the courts to do exactly that, one can only come to only one of two conclusions: Either McKenna is lying to voters and reporters about the true intensions of his lawsuit, or he's such a crappy lawyer that he truly doesn't understand its consequences.

Neither is a flattering option.

 

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I think that the law would be great without the individual mandate. Since insurance companies can't discriminate against pre-existing conditions, people would only need to buy insurance when they get sick. It would suck for private insurance companies, but would be great for people.

Am I missing something here?
Posted by bluefawx on September 29, 2011 at 1:23 PM
Will in Seattle 2
To answer your headline question:

Yes.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on September 29, 2011 at 1:25 PM
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Most redundant headline to a post ever.
Posted by troutbum on September 29, 2011 at 1:36 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 4
@1, you're missing quite a lot here. That would actually be a "worst-case" scenario, and would either bankrupt the insurance companies or force them out of business almost overnight. And then nobody would have health insurance.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on September 29, 2011 at 1:37 PM
rob! 5
He's Uriah Heep.
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on September 29, 2011 at 1:37 PM
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@4 - I fully understand the concept of "death spiral." I think that only after private insurance companies go bankrupt will we actually see meaningful health care reform (i.e. single payer).
Posted by bluefawx on September 29, 2011 at 1:40 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 7
Yup, @6. In the meantime, don't get sick, though.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on September 29, 2011 at 1:47 PM
TacomaRoma 8
They're not going to go bankrupt, @6, they're going to continue to ratchet up their rates forcing more of the costs onto individuals and the companies that employ them and seek additional legal protections to their empires through stuff like the ability to seek payment for services rendered from next-of-kin and so forth. Their lobbying efforts will continue and they will continue to score strategic court victories to make sure that we all continue to pay them obscene amounts of money for what should be the right of every citizen of the US.

I voted for Big O, and I will again, but this healthcare law is a stinking piece of shit pie. It might look good on paper, but the reality is something else. Healthcare has become more expensive, insurance has become more expensive, insurance now covers less of the costs of healthcare and there seems to be no indication that this will ever change. The Healthcare Reform Act looks more like The Make Health Insurance Companies Even More Money Act.
Posted by TacomaRoma on September 29, 2011 at 1:55 PM
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@1: Oh good lord, seriously?

It would suck for private insurance companies, but would be great for people.


Ummm...perhaps someone needs to explain to you the basic concept of insurance and risk pooling. Insurance essentially works by having a lot of people pay into a large pot that the company invests, manages, and ultimately disburses to cover the medical costs of those who get sick. Because not everyone paying in will get sick at the same time (or even at all), there's enough money in the pool. In addition, those paying in don't have to pay the "full" cost of medical expenditures -- it's not like an individual savings account. Insurance companies essentially bet (based on sophisticated actuarial data) that the total cost of the expenses across everyone in the pool will be covered by the discounted individual pay-ins.

This is why insurance companies place restrictions on those with "pre-existing conditions" (note: I'm not saying this is morally or ethically right; this is just the dumbed-down economic rationale).

So now think about the ACA without the individual mandate. If you as an individual did not have to buy insurance, but you knew that you would always be able to obtain a policy after you got sick, why the hell would you buy up front? Of course you'd wait until you got sick. Think about it -- if you could buy auto insurance to cover damage the day after you got in an accident, would you carry insurance?

But if no one buys health insurance prior to becoming sick, how could there ever be enough money in the pool? The only people paying premiums would be drawing immediately on those policies. If they're not paying the full value of the benefits, where's the money supposed to come from? (And if they were paying the full cost, what's the freaking point of insurance???)

So the summary answer to your question is: yes, you're missing something because there would be no insurance companies because no one would be stupid enough to set one up.

Does that make sense? I hope so...
More...
Posted by Mr. Happy Sunshine on September 29, 2011 at 2:01 PM
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@6 bluefawx: Damn. My bad. After writing that whole stupid post (@9) now I understand. You're not a moron -- you're a health-care-policy-salt-the-earth-nihilist.

Right there with you on single-payer, but it ain't gonna happen the way you think.
Posted by Mr. Happy Sunshine on September 29, 2011 at 2:05 PM
Piper Scott 11
Appellate lawyers argue in the alternative all the time - it's no big deal. So the answer to your question, Goldy, is: Yes - you are missing something.

Not only that, but since The Stranger is a scab outfit, you're missing union benefits. Why haven't you organized the workers at The Stranger into a union so they can negotiate better wages, hours and conditions?

Being known as Goldy the scab isn't a legacy you would like to leave.
Posted by Piper Scott on September 29, 2011 at 4:11 PM
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Piper @11: well, at least I'm not a b-rate blogger who whored myself to right-wing "think tank."

I mean, only a right-wing propaganda whore could argue that it's perfectly okay for McKenna to argue one thing in court and another to the public.
Posted by Goldy on September 29, 2011 at 4:43 PM
rob! 13
So you're "Forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown," @11, and maybe a couple of other "folks" around Slog as well?
Posted by rob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZBdUceCL5U on September 29, 2011 at 5:01 PM
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Both
Posted by sgt_doom on September 29, 2011 at 5:14 PM
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Everything I needed to know about the REPUBLICAN candidates and their supporters was answered when the audience cheered for the (hypothetical) death of someone who didn't have health insurance.
Posted by DEMOCRAT-AMERICAN on September 29, 2011 at 6:35 PM
Piper Scott 16
@12 But you are a scab, Goldy. Working for a non-union outfit paying sub-standard wages and providing probably piss-poor benefits. Why don't you walk your progressive talk and organize the place?

At least your arch-enemy, The Seattle Times, has several collective bargaining agreements covering journalists and production and delivery workers. How many CBAs does The Stranger have with its workforce?

Tell me again what the most recent state-wide polling between Jay Inslee and Rob McKenna indicates about the 2012 race for governor?

And before you criticize lawyers, how they argue cases and how they prepare appellate briefs and arguments, you might try going to law school. It's not just parsing words - there is something to it.
Posted by Piper Scott on September 29, 2011 at 7:30 PM
Spicy McHaggis 17
McKenna is full of shit. Enough said.
Posted by Spicy McHaggis on September 29, 2011 at 7:56 PM
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@7 After the Republicans cheered for death for the uninsured, Ron Paul helpfully suggested that churches would pay for health care for the uninsured. With any luck, we could make the churches go bankrupt, too!
Posted by bluefawx on September 29, 2011 at 9:06 PM
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Still smarting at being denied press credentials in Olympia, Piper? Well you know what they say: If at first you don't succeed, troll, troll again.
Posted by cloudveil1 on September 29, 2011 at 9:13 PM
Rujax! 20
The "crack-piper" gives "thread crapping" full nasal realization. Like the old..."Smell-O-Vision".
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on September 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM
21
Goldy can barely feed himself working for Tim Keck, but, when it comes to legal issues, Goldy is the equal of Linda Greenhouse or Nina Totenberg.
Posted by Cheapjack Stranger publisher is cheap. on September 29, 2011 at 11:13 PM
Piper Scott 22
@19 and @20 Two more scabs patronizing a deliberately non-union rag. What's the matter - can't live up to your progressive, so-called "values?" If you really believe what you espouse, you would throw up an informational picket line today to inform the public that The Stranger exploits workers and defies the cause of justice.

You could encourage Stranger workers to sign authorization cards. Get enough of them to sign and you can demand card-check recogniztion from the boss. Go into his office and demand recognition or tell him there will be a long and costly strike.

If you establish a picket line, then Stranger workers would be forced to join the cause - they wouldn't dare be seen scabbing a union picket line to go to work.

If The Stranger isn't willing to go union, then it really doesn't believe in its high-sounding progressive ideals and verbiage. Time to man up, Stranger, and do the progressive thing for your workers.

Longview longshoremen are storming the Port of Longview, slashing railcar brakelines, vandalizing grain intended for shipment to hungry people across the world and terrorizing personnel at the port all in the name of progressive values. Why are Seattle progressives too chicken to do the same?
Posted by Piper Scott on September 30, 2011 at 5:00 AM
23
Having failed to located any sign of corruption in New Jersey that a journalist of his caliber would deign to investigate, Piper has apparently set his sights a little lower.

On the plus side, this comment thread alone has more views than the entire Evergreen Freedom Foundation site for which he use to write. So that's something.
Posted by cloudveil1 on September 30, 2011 at 7:41 AM
Piper Scott 24
@23 Nothing lower than a scab rag like The Stranger. Every progressive worth her salt must agree that non-union means non-starter in terms of credibility and trustworthiness.

Why do progressives continue to endorse the exploitation of the workers? Why not stick it to the man and demand The Stranger go union just as you do every other scab outfit in Seattle. No self-respecting progressive would ever patronize a non-union bar or tavern, restaurant, retail outlet, service or any other business.

Union label or leave town! Who among you disagrees with that?
Posted by Piper Scott on September 30, 2011 at 7:57 AM
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Piper, take a look in your rearview mirror - see that dot on the horizon? It's the thin line between "investigative journalist" and "gadfly". You passed it about 500 words back.
Posted by cloudveil1 on September 30, 2011 at 9:13 AM
Piper Scott 26
So, nobody will condemn The Stranger for not being a union house? And Stranger workers will continue to be exploited while Seattle Times workers enjoy union wages and benefits all because Stranger readers don't really believe in upholding the progressive values they claim to have. How sad and how shallow.

But the union longshoremen of the ILWU are holding fast despite getting thumped with a $250,000 fine from a U.S. District Court judge for violating his orders about unlawful picketing and violence. http://www.komonews.com/news/local/13086…

Somebody has some balls...even though they're getting sliced off.
Posted by Piper Scott on September 30, 2011 at 10:33 AM
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Tell you what Piper: If you start picketing the Everdum Freegreen Foundation to unionize their staff and lobby for the Employee Free Choice Act, I'll start picketing The Stranger to do the same.
Posted by cloudveil1 on September 30, 2011 at 11:51 AM
Piper Scott 28
@27 I don't work at the Freedom Foundation. Besides, it doesn't claim progressive values, which include being pro-union - The Stranger does.

It's still a scab paper, and those who read it and support it are scabs, including the non-union workers who refuse to do the right thing and organize.
Posted by Piper Scott on September 30, 2011 at 2:48 PM
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Piper, you aren't associated with the Everdum Freegreen Foundation? Huh. You should probably talk to this guy then: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottstclair1…, because he's using the same picture in his profile as you have posted here on Slog:

You might also ask the Everdum Freegreen people why they have all blog posts (like this one: http://www.myfreedomfoundation.com/index…) associated with the byline 'Scott "The Piper" St. Clair'.

There must be an imposter out there - omigosh!
Posted by cloudveil1 on September 30, 2011 at 3:49 PM

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