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Monday, September 12, 2011

Religious Justifications for Bigotry Are Nothing New

Posted by on Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:49 AM

From KUOW's Ann Dornfeld's report this morning about a failed attempt to enact an ordinance in the early 1960s that would've prohibited race-based discrimination in housing:

Presbyterian minister Thomas W. Miller also [testified against the ordinance, arguring that it would] violate religious freedom. He was challenged by city councilmember Wing Luke, a Chinese-American.

LUKE: "Are you for that provision which prohibits discrimination because of race? You have ... "

MILLER: "No, I'm not in favor of that on another basis. On the basis that it violates the eighth commandment of the decalogue: Thou Shalt Not Steal. This is an unjust usurpation of property rights."

LUKE: "You are, of course, a minister, and I don't it have it available, but what chapter and verse is it in the bible, in the New Testament, 'Love thy neighbor as thyself?'"

MILLER: "Um... I don't know the exact verse right offhand."

LUKE: "Thank you."

I hope KUOW posts the audio. (Maybe it's up, but I can't find it.) In that "um" and the brief pause that comes afte it—the moment after Luke hands Miller his ass—you can clearly hear the minister realizing that he's just been exposed as a bigot and a hypocrite. And, now, remembered as one. (Did he ever come around, I wonder?) The Seattle city council—never a profile in courage—punted, sending the ordinance to voters.

Seattle voters rejected it by a two to one margin.

UPDATE: Luke also exposed Miller as a pretty lousy, uninformed, incompetent Christian minister. "Love thy neighbor as thyself" appears in the Old Testament—in Leviticus, of all places. (When you're not stoning your neighbor to death for eating shrimp, or your neighbor's daughter to death for not being a virgin on her wedding night, love 'em as thyself!) In the New Testament Jesus is asked, "Which is the first commandment of all?" He replies...

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these."

You'd think a Christian minister would be up on both of those none-other-commandments-greater-than-these.

UPDATE 2: And, hey, fair's fair: I thought Scher's comment during the first hour of Weekday—about holding cyclists accountable (when its cyclists who are being mowed down on our streets)—was ill-timed and I posted so. But the second hour of Weekday today was great—it was fascinating social history—and it was small of me to praise Dornfeld's contribution to the hour without giving Scher props too. He was juggling a lot of guests, it could've been a real train wreck, but it wasn't. It was great radio.

 

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gloomy gus 1
Isn't that great - here's where they got the audio and copypasted the transcript - from the archives of our "never a profile in courage" council - btw when O'Brien and McGinn punted to voters by leading Ref 1, you thought that was pretty courageous, no?
http://www.seattle.gov/cityarchives/Exhi…
Posted by gloomy gus on September 12, 2011 at 11:01 AM
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LUKE: "Are you for that provision which legalizes murder? You have ... "
MILLER: "No, I'm not in favor of that on the basis that it violates the sixth commandment of the decalogue: Thou Shalt Not Kill. "
LUKE: "You are, of course, a minister, and I don't it have it available, but what chapter and verse is it in the bible, in the New Testament, 'Love thy neighbor as thyself?'"
MILLER: "Um... I don't know the exact verse right offhand. But I see your point. Murderers should be hugged and given a cookie. That's what I would want for myself....."
LUKE: "Thank you."
Posted by Secular Humanism ROCKS! on September 12, 2011 at 11:02 AM
venomlash 3
A related comment on the Old Testament.
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation..."
--Hillel the Elder
Posted by venomlash on September 12, 2011 at 11:13 AM
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Danny thinks your sacred scripture is superstitious hateful drivel.
Posted by know who your friends are on September 12, 2011 at 11:16 AM
MacCrocodile 5
Maybe you're looking at that all wrong. Love your neighbor as yourself, but if you're doing everything else right, you should feel pretty bad about yourself, too.
Posted by MacCrocodile on September 12, 2011 at 11:19 AM
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Maybe that is the crux, MacCroc. If you are feeling very hateful towards yourself, and then are being hateful towards everyone else, then you are hating/loving them as you do yourself and following the words of the gospel. ??
Posted by Barbara on September 12, 2011 at 12:08 PM
Helenka (also a Canuck) 7
I wonder whether Miller would have sputtered, turned red and complained that he was being subjected to a Gotcha question, had this exchange of words taken place during this century.
Posted by Helenka (also a Canuck) on September 12, 2011 at 12:19 PM
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It's true the "love thy neighbor" line appears in the OT (Leviticus 19) but it's more of an NT message (Matthew 5, Matthew 22, Mark 12, Luke 10). It's part of the sermon on the mount, for God's sake.
Posted by David Wright on September 12, 2011 at 1:15 PM
very bad homo 9
As if anyone expects Christians to know what they're talking about, or follow their own book's rules.
Posted by very bad homo on September 12, 2011 at 1:29 PM
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I think unregistered troll should be gassed, because if I was that stupid and hateful, I would gas myself.
Posted by unregistered untroll on September 12, 2011 at 3:03 PM
Vince 11
It is hilarious and sad that the major tenet of Christianity is the one they always not only ignore but seem to make every effort to violate.
Posted by Vince on September 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM
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actually we have registered six times
but keep getting our registration yanked.
mmmmmmmmm....yanked.

but we digress.

it seems our Danny dislikes having his bigoted intolerant hypocritical ass outed by The Inconvenient Truth.

which is a bummer cause we really express The Truth better with the aid of italics and bold
Posted by who are you kidding- you DO gas yourself Fartso on September 12, 2011 at 3:43 PM

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