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Chow / Video of the Day Lunchtime Quickie: Odori-Don: Can Food Be *Too* Fresh?
Posted by Kelly O on Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:59 AM
Would YOU eat this?*
*video proabably not for the squeamish
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You stupid fucktards, the squid is DEAD. Get your facts straight before you judge things like this. Jesus Christ if there is nothing I can't stand it's people like you who are all "this is inhumane I don't care if I eat meat that comes from meat factories blah blah blah." it's so damn IGNORANT. I hope you realize that I'm wild life ANIMALS GET EATEN ALIVE. You shouldn't even be complaining in the first place, much less if the creature is already dead. Besides, the meat on your plate goes through more pain than the squid ever will, even if it was alive. Google things, idiot. Open your eyes, you're not all that innocent eating your steak and bacon either.
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You stupid fucktards, the squid is DEAD. Get your facts straight before you judge things like this. Jesus Christ if there is nothing I can't stand it's people like you who are all "this is inhumane I don't care if I eat meat that comes from meat factories blah blah blah." it's so damn IGNORANT. I hope you realize that I'm wild life ANIMALS GET EATEN ALIVE. You shouldn't even be complaining in the first place, much less if the creature is already dead. Besides, the meat on your plate goes through more pain than the squid ever will, even if it was alive. Google things, idiot. Open your eyes, you're not all that innocent eating your steak and bacon either.
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cephalopod anatomy http://universe-review.ca/I10-82-octopus…
see the eyes in the video: it's likely that the brain is not removed when the "head" is; what is commonly considered the head is, in fact, the torso.
so yes, this thing might still be alive. and sure, squid get eaten alive in the ocean, but last I checked we weren't sharks, we're humans.
see the eyes in the video: it's likely that the brain is not removed when the "head" is; what is commonly considered the head is, in fact, the torso.
so yes, this thing might still be alive. and sure, squid get eaten alive in the ocean, but last I checked we weren't sharks, we're humans.
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Just so everyone knows that squid is dead, the soy sauce activates nuerons in its body that makes it "dance"
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You know, I hear there are some people who cut off animals' heads and let them die that way. Others slit their throats and let them bleed out. Some even beat the thing to death on a deck until the animal stops moving. And get this, after that, they have the nerve to chop it up, throw it on a stove, and then gnash it up with their teeth after slicing it open with sharp metal utensils!
Get the hell off your ivory tower, people...
And then after you do that, take an intro course to Biology 101 to understand how the peripheral nervous system works in relation to salts and electrolytes. Seriously...
Get the hell off your ivory tower, people...
And then after you do that, take an intro course to Biology 101 to understand how the peripheral nervous system works in relation to salts and electrolytes. Seriously...
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Cephalopods (which squid are part of) in puzzle tests and tool use, beat dogs in intelligence (probably some humans as well). Hopefully the squid was already passed on when this happened. Shouldn't play with your food...
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I understand people being squeemish but some of you guys take your moral outrage too far.
I believe in animal welfare, but some of you talking as though squid and fish are humans. You tell me how cruel humans are at killing animals? Have you not seen a cat play with a mouse until it dies? I'm sure a grizzly bear is much more polite towards a human than vice versa.
The squid had it's head chopped off so it couldn't possibly be alive when it was in the bowl.
As previous people stated before it's the salt in the soy sauce that fires the neurons.
You can throw salt on frogs legs and they will twitch. You can go YouTube that. It doesn't look very cruel.
You can see the news article about that video here: http://www.news.com.au/dancing-squid-bow…
I believe in animal welfare, but some of you talking as though squid and fish are humans. You tell me how cruel humans are at killing animals? Have you not seen a cat play with a mouse until it dies? I'm sure a grizzly bear is much more polite towards a human than vice versa.
The squid had it's head chopped off so it couldn't possibly be alive when it was in the bowl.
As previous people stated before it's the salt in the soy sauce that fires the neurons.
You can throw salt on frogs legs and they will twitch. You can go YouTube that. It doesn't look very cruel.
You can see the news article about that video here: http://www.news.com.au/dancing-squid-bow…
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@42: Why was that clueless? Cruelty is perpetuated only by humans- it only matters that things feel pain or suffer because *we* can recognize that. Simulating cruelty by having something dead look alive for the sole purpose of doing something to it which would be torture tends to lead me to consider this immoral from the human standpoint.
We may seem advanced enough that we can differentiate between simulated and actual cruelty. But, ethics are not light switches that are either on or off; instead, they are something more like gradients.
We may seem advanced enough that we can differentiate between simulated and actual cruelty. But, ethics are not light switches that are either on or off; instead, they are something more like gradients.
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Yeah, BR, I think we tend to overly anthropomorphise these things. Who knows what, if anything, it's feeling. Maybe that's just a typical day in the life of a squid.
Still, I'd feel a lot better about eating it if I knew it was dead first.
Oh, and @39, congratulations. That's the most clueless thing I've read on Slog all week. Which is saying an awful lot.
Still, I'd feel a lot better about eating it if I knew it was dead first.
Oh, and @39, congratulations. That's the most clueless thing I've read on Slog all week. Which is saying an awful lot.
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@38 Hiya, Charlie! You're my favorite flavor of sushi, btw.
So, if tuna eat squid alive (for real, not just a trick with zombie reflexes and soy sauce), and if we eat canned tuna, I wonder... how is that morally different than eating squid alive?
So, if tuna eat squid alive (for real, not just a trick with zombie reflexes and soy sauce), and if we eat canned tuna, I wonder... how is that morally different than eating squid alive?
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I kindof think it is dead when this is happening.. The heart is in the "head" that gets cut off, so there hasn't been any blood circulation for quite awhile when they pour the sauce on the tentacles. I don't know how long a squid can survive without blood flow. @39, whether the animal is alive or not is exactly what determines whether this is cruelty or not. I'm inclined to say that it's not but I'm not sure.
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Haha, it seems like my food is in pain!
Whether or not this animal is actually dead is beyond the point. This is still cruelty.
Whether or not this animal is actually dead is beyond the point. This is still cruelty.
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To be fair, squid don't really have any cognitive capacity. This is just basic stimuli response. I guess it's suffering, much like what a sea sponge would suffer.
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Its dead. Just twitches because of electrical impulses. Ive had "Live" octopus that was already completely cut up yet still moving.
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That's a tough one. As Fistique pointed out, other animals like molluscs have very different types of nervous systems. It makes it hard to tell when they're "dead" or "dead enough" to not suffer (and that term is a tricky one too).
I'm very much in favor of animal welfare and am against cruel "live" preparations of food that don't kill the creature quickly. The preparation video looked like it was done quickly and cleanly, but I wouldn't rule out pain/suffering lingering. To be safe, I'd want it cut up in my bowl first; Klingon-style food that isn't suffering is fine with me.
I'm very much in favor of animal welfare and am against cruel "live" preparations of food that don't kill the creature quickly. The preparation video looked like it was done quickly and cleanly, but I wouldn't rule out pain/suffering lingering. To be safe, I'd want it cut up in my bowl first; Klingon-style food that isn't suffering is fine with me.
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Yeah, that's pretty sick. It's like that restaurant in Beijing that deep fries a fish, but only lowers it into the hot fat up to its head. It is served fried and still gulping for water. Fresh to be sure.
I guess we need to find out if all animals feel pain, and then if we find out that they do, then we need to decide whether or not we care.
I do.
I guess we need to find out if all animals feel pain, and then if we find out that they do, then we need to decide whether or not we care.
I do.
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I have had live kawagani several times - pop the crab in your mouth and eat or be eaten. Never fails to impress the opposite sex.
Then there is the Korean film Old Boy, where this exercise with an octopus is a plot device....
Then there is the Korean film Old Boy, where this exercise with an octopus is a plot device....
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@27, I think you might be getting a little prematurely smug assuming that anyone who's disgusted by this would do that either.
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Brendan Kiley's 2009 feature on the giant pacific octopus points out that "three-fifths of an octopus's neurons are in its limbs instead of its brain," and notes that electrical pulses can reanimate the tentacles in ways more realistic than would be possible in vertebrates.
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How is this any different than picking out a lobster and watching it get thrown (or throwing it) into a pot of boiling water?
You all know meat doesn't come naturally in shrink-wrap right?
You all know meat doesn't come naturally in shrink-wrap right?
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Some freshly killed seafood, especially if kept on ice, keeps its reflexes. I bought a live tilapia once at the market and watched them brain it with a club, scale it, slice it open and gut it. They put it in a bag and handed it over. I popped it in the fridge when I got home, and then a couple hours later, made the mistake of wrapping my hand around the slippery thing while pulling it out of the bag so I shouldn't drop it on the way to the steamer. The dorsal fin flexed hard, stabbing my palm with its spines.
Revenge of the dead fish. I'm guessing the skin and muscle tissue of farmed tilapia has pretty low oxygen requirements, so while the fish as an organism was dead, there was enough live tissue to get even with me for buying it.
If that squid or octopus or whatever was actually alive, it wouldn't be sitting there quietly in that bowl. It would have climbed out and headed for the exit. It's been carefully killed so as to not stress it, and kept on ice until serving. Note how the movement slows down after the first of it. I'm guessing, as the muscles are flexed, they use up whatever stored energy they have left. The critter can't circulate any more oxygen or fuel to the muscle because it's dead. Or a zombie.
Revenge of the dead fish. I'm guessing the skin and muscle tissue of farmed tilapia has pretty low oxygen requirements, so while the fish as an organism was dead, there was enough live tissue to get even with me for buying it.
If that squid or octopus or whatever was actually alive, it wouldn't be sitting there quietly in that bowl. It would have climbed out and headed for the exit. It's been carefully killed so as to not stress it, and kept on ice until serving. Note how the movement slows down after the first of it. I'm guessing, as the muscles are flexed, they use up whatever stored energy they have left. The critter can't circulate any more oxygen or fuel to the muscle because it's dead. Or a zombie.
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Speaking of horrifying cruelty - shark fins, often used in soup, are obtained by sawing off the fins while the shark is still alive and then tossing it back in the ocean to either drown or bleed to death.
Once you start using/viewing animals as products (assembly-line slaughterhouses, etc) there is no limit.
Once you start using/viewing animals as products (assembly-line slaughterhouses, etc) there is no limit.
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Well, I had quoted the part of the article that said that it is alive with its head removed, but Slog ate that part of my comment.
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Yeah. I have no problem with eating meat. I have no problem with killing, cleaning, and butchering what I eat. But this is cruelty.
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@4, 7, etc I was hoping the same thing, but alas. I'm in the "I'm a meat eater and this is cruel" camp.
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@7, I stand corrected. I still believe the legs are moving because of the soy, and all the organs are removed with the head, but the brain is just behind the eye, so who knows what the thing is experiencing? I love seafood, but it's not really appetizing to me, either.
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My food is killed by somebody else. And I feel sympathy if the creature is made to suffer. But octopus are eaten live all the time in the ocean.
So, I can see how some people eat them this way. They are delicious.
So, I can see how some people eat them this way. They are delicious.
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#4- nope, this squid is, in fact, still alive. They don't kill it until after it's done its soy sauce dance.
Vide: http://tinyurl.com/3pjeeug
None for me, thanks. I'm too afraid of what Cthulhu would do to me....
Vide: http://tinyurl.com/3pjeeug
None for me, thanks. I'm too afraid of what Cthulhu would do to me....
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I believe the squid is dead already and the sodium in the soy sauce is triggering electrical impulses in the muscles, much like what is happening here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YZJt_Bw3…
Maybe creepy, but probably no cruel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YZJt_Bw3…
Maybe creepy, but probably no cruel.
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stupid.
"Hey everyone, look at my trendy novelty toy food! Eating things like this shows everyone how cultured I am!"
"Hey everyone, look at my trendy novelty toy food! Eating things like this shows everyone how cultured I am!"
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Wow. I know terrible things get done to chickens at factory farms, but that just seems mean spirited...
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Sorry, that's just cruel and disgusting. And that's coming from a hunter, fisherman, and family farmer. Yes, I know some folks are going to say any use of meat is cruel and inhumane, and that my criticism of this is hypocritical, but I don't care. If you're going to eat an animal, particularly one as clever as an octopus or squid, kill it quickly and be done with it.
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