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News & ArtsFriday, July 15, 2011
Housekeeping An Apology
Posted by Dan Savage on Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 10:28 PM
I was on Real Time with Bill Maher tonight. I was talking to someone at the party after the show, and they asked me how I thought it went. Okay, I said—and then I told them that I said something really, really stupid, half under my breath, and I was relieved that Bill and the rest of the panel didn't hear it. But folks watching the show at home might have heard it... so... I want to apologize for... um... wishing all Republicans dead.
I don't feel that way. My dad is a Republican. (Well, he says he's an independent, but he hasn't voted for a Democrat since JFK. My dad is a Republican.) I'm fond of Michael Bloomberg and William Weld and Lincoln Chafee, and I wish no harm—save the political variety—on those Republicans I loathe. Even the one Republican I really had it in for once upon a time—Ronald Reagan—managed to outlive my anger.
It was a stupid, rude, thoughtless remark. I regret it and I retract it and I apologize to anyone watching at home—particularly my father (!)—who may have heard me say it. I had a drink before the show—first and last time I've ever done that—but this wasn't a case of, "In vino, veritas."
This was a case of, "In vino, stupidtas."
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I wish untreatable prostate cancer on all the asshole Republicans who want to take away women's access to healthcare.
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Dan's Savage Drunken Talk-Show Tirade!
Stalwart monogamists nationwide cluck their tongues in disapproval! Conservative pastors blame the gays! It Gets Better Project shuttered in Breitbart-funded video splicing scandal!
Stalwart monogamists nationwide cluck their tongues in disapproval! Conservative pastors blame the gays! It Gets Better Project shuttered in Breitbart-funded video splicing scandal!
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I was wondering why Bill didn't react. I did hear it and all I could think was, wow that was a bit crude and I know this is going to end up on O'Reilly for sure.
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I'm really, really trying to state why @1's comment shouldn't come to pass, but... but... But.
Oh hell, yeah
Oh hell, yeah
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Yeah, caught that. But clearly not serious and kinda proves Maron's point on humor. Dude - you rocked. The santorum in Santorum, Seattle light rail shout out and the Goldy reference - beautiful. You mopped up the panel - ahem. Nice one.
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Crap, Dan, I just saw the interview. You really need to get rid of those shoes cause you just can't seem to stop stepping in it, no matter what IT is. Isn't it about time for a vacation?
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Hey, if you want to hear Dan say how he wants to kill 50 percent of the people in America, HBO said they'd "post the episode shortly":
http://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-m…
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Well, when crazy, hostile, reckless, stupid, hateful and destructive politicians of a Republican political bent consistently inflict hate, harm and horror on you, your family, your community and your fellow citizens, you're going to blow the odd gasket. And they do so you did. A fair apology and glad you offered it but right now among other things the Republicans are playing chicken with the global economy, so eff 'em. A lot of us -- including dippy-doopy Canadian Slog readers* with pet snakes as their icons -- are cross at them too, and are absolutely fed up with the lame excuses their supporters make for them. Your frustration and your squawking is a sign of your sanity AND your compassion. So don't sweat it and fuck 'em what says different.
*the National Post is a complete effin' joke, by the way.
*the National Post is a complete effin' joke, by the way.
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Hey Dan, that's real big of you. I'm impressed. I mean that quite seriously.
I usually enjoy your commentary, but I really enjoy your commentary a lot when you are self-reflective. Like in your TAL appearence, and here.
I usually enjoy your commentary, but I really enjoy your commentary a lot when you are self-reflective. Like in your TAL appearence, and here.
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An intemperate remark, with a heartfelt apology.
Your sentiment in re: Republicans is noted, and however, agreed with. They are awful people with no good intentions for America.
Keep up the good work, Dan.
Your sentiment in re: Republicans is noted, and however, agreed with. They are awful people with no good intentions for America.
Keep up the good work, Dan.
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It's the cognitive dissonance that got you.
We live with the social rule that being impolite to an elected official is a greater crime than the elected official committing murder. For those of you that may disagree with me please make an argument that sending thousands of Americans off to a war that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths based on demonstrably false pretense is somehow more just than individual murder. Go ahead. Please. Make me OK with bombing innocents because Saddam masterminded 9/11.
In order to engage in the public sphere, you have to buy into a certain acceptance of public wisdom. Public wisdom is totally fucking insane. We accept monstrosity because it's our government that does it. And our identity as the good guys is more important to us than honesty so we choose forget some stuff, but really, rage is an appropriate and sane reaction to Republican policy.
Wishing death to people that are promoting policies that will torture and kill millions of people isn't insanity. What do you think healthcare vouchers will do? They will kill thousands of seniors. What do you think self-regulation of industrial pollution will do? It will give millions of people cancer. Ignoring climate science will have global consequences. Who leads the charge in ignoring scientific fact of global warming? There are two kinds of Republicans, monsters and the fools that believe in them.
I can say all this shit because I've got nothing to lose. I'm not a public figure. 99.9% of the population would be at all-out war with these sociopath shit-head Republicans if they valued their lives and their children's future.
Anyway, some realistic, truthful emotion escaped your lips because it'll do that once in awhile whether you want it to or not. We shouldn't wish death upon the evil. We are better than them. As long as they live, they have hope to change. It's cheesy, but it's true. Do better next time. We need someone speaking truth in public.
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We live with the social rule that being impolite to an elected official is a greater crime than the elected official committing murder. For those of you that may disagree with me please make an argument that sending thousands of Americans off to a war that has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths based on demonstrably false pretense is somehow more just than individual murder. Go ahead. Please. Make me OK with bombing innocents because Saddam masterminded 9/11.
In order to engage in the public sphere, you have to buy into a certain acceptance of public wisdom. Public wisdom is totally fucking insane. We accept monstrosity because it's our government that does it. And our identity as the good guys is more important to us than honesty so we choose forget some stuff, but really, rage is an appropriate and sane reaction to Republican policy.
Wishing death to people that are promoting policies that will torture and kill millions of people isn't insanity. What do you think healthcare vouchers will do? They will kill thousands of seniors. What do you think self-regulation of industrial pollution will do? It will give millions of people cancer. Ignoring climate science will have global consequences. Who leads the charge in ignoring scientific fact of global warming? There are two kinds of Republicans, monsters and the fools that believe in them.
I can say all this shit because I've got nothing to lose. I'm not a public figure. 99.9% of the population would be at all-out war with these sociopath shit-head Republicans if they valued their lives and their children's future.
Anyway, some realistic, truthful emotion escaped your lips because it'll do that once in awhile whether you want it to or not. We shouldn't wish death upon the evil. We are better than them. As long as they live, they have hope to change. It's cheesy, but it's true. Do better next time. We need someone speaking truth in public.
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Uh, it's better this should be a lesson about pre-show use of alcohol. What you said was what a whole bunch of people think. You could have said worse and made yourself persona-non-grata at anymore teevee shows.
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Bloomberg? Weld? Chafee?
Dan's GOP list is almost as impressive as Pat Boone's "gay" friends.....
Dan's GOP list is almost as impressive as Pat Boone's "gay" friends.....
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It's rare to see a direct public apology these days instead of the not-my-fault B.S. about "I apologize to those who may have been offended by my remarks" or "I apologize if you misunderstood" or the condescending"Lighten up, it was just a joke."
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Most folks without a bug up their ass realize that statements like "I could kill that kid" (when speaking of their aggravating teenager) are almost always not literally true. Republicans have much in common with aggravating teenagers, so I think my analogy has some bearing.
Your quick retraction shows good sense, but it won't stop some context-hating opponent from using it as a weapon of mass distraction.
Do you really think the glass of wine played a role? I'll need to see the clip to be sure, but it surprises me that a regular cocktail drinker like yourself would be such a lightweight. Better to just own up than to blame the demon alcohol, don't you think?
Your quick retraction shows good sense, but it won't stop some context-hating opponent from using it as a weapon of mass distraction.
Do you really think the glass of wine played a role? I'll need to see the clip to be sure, but it surprises me that a regular cocktail drinker like yourself would be such a lightweight. Better to just own up than to blame the demon alcohol, don't you think?
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Oh, good. A place I can confess my horrible, hateful thoughts toward Republicans these past several months. I chide myself every time and then... there I go again. I hope this thing I have - which I know I share with millions of my fellow Americans - translates this year, and especially next year - into shoving these corporate whores back into the helll from which they came. Amen. So be it. And Democrats - you're on notice.
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I have this fantasy about Republicans where I imagine a homophobic hate-spewing asshole being in a car accident or something. His life is saved by a doctor who happens to be gay, and he's nursed back to health by a gay physiotherapist, and so on. He becomes more open-minded and sensitive and accepting of others.... and then one day he is BEATEN TO DEATH IN THE STREET by some homophobic hate-spewing asshole who thinks he's gay.
I'm in a better mood already. Thanks, Dan.
I'm in a better mood already. Thanks, Dan.
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It was the most entertaining panel to date and you rocked. The comment was very much under your breath and very obviously said in jest.
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We tell you what, Sport-
we'll give you the same pass you gave Clint McCance.
Remember him?
The Illiterate Bigot who mused on his facebook about homosexuals commiting suicide?
Remember?
The Illiterate Asshole for whom there was a Facebook page calling for his firing?
The page you linked to?
Remember?..."Give 'em Hell"
Is it coming back?
Can you provide a link to the page calling for Dan Savage "Illiterate Bigoted Asshole Extraordinaire" to be fired?
Clint resigned. Classy.
Man up, Danny.
You pulled a Clint. See it through to the conclusion.
All will be forgiven.
we'll give you the same pass you gave Clint McCance.
Remember him?
The Illiterate Bigot who mused on his facebook about homosexuals commiting suicide?
Remember?
The Illiterate Asshole for whom there was a Facebook page calling for his firing?
The page you linked to?
Remember?..."Give 'em Hell"
Is it coming back?
Can you provide a link to the page calling for Dan Savage "Illiterate Bigoted Asshole Extraordinaire" to be fired?
Clint resigned. Classy.
Man up, Danny.
You pulled a Clint. See it through to the conclusion.
All will be forgiven.
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Nicely done, Dan. When's the last time you heard a republican or teabagger apologize for ANYTHING? and they are actively working to bring about the death of the US populace (esp. women).
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#1, I totally agree. And #27, love your post.
Dan, you're clearly not a sociopath, as so, so many right-wing talking heads are. Toss a Coulter or Malkin in the face of anyone who gives you shit for a statement that, as #31 said, is essentially a colloquialism for "You're pissing me off".
Dan, you're clearly not a sociopath, as so, so many right-wing talking heads are. Toss a Coulter or Malkin in the face of anyone who gives you shit for a statement that, as #31 said, is essentially a colloquialism for "You're pissing me off".
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The motto at the end should be:
In Vino, Stupid Ass
A motto that I will be using at some point tonight.
In Vino, Stupid Ass
A motto that I will be using at some point tonight.
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Dan,
I'm glad that you brought it up. I cringed last night when I heard you say it. The first thought that came to my mind was that it was the kind of comment that could lead to you being put on the list of being too controversial to have on the air. That would be devastating to me and my friends, as you are one of the best spokespeople our community has.
Other than that, last night's show rocked, and you came out with some real zingers.
Hang in there. Let's hope that you coming out in front of this early is enough to blunt the worst of the screaming and wailing that is sure to come your way now.
I'm glad that you brought it up. I cringed last night when I heard you say it. The first thought that came to my mind was that it was the kind of comment that could lead to you being put on the list of being too controversial to have on the air. That would be devastating to me and my friends, as you are one of the best spokespeople our community has.
Other than that, last night's show rocked, and you came out with some real zingers.
Hang in there. Let's hope that you coming out in front of this early is enough to blunt the worst of the screaming and wailing that is sure to come your way now.
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Here's my thinking vis a vis Republicans; they are acting, more more and more, like terrorists. Many of them who hold elected office have engaged in economic terrorism, (debt ceiling hostage taking, bankrupting the treasury, etc.). There is a war on terror. The Bush Doctrine, which they invented, calls for the preemptive assassination of those deemed to be a "threat" to the nation. Therefore Dan, you were right to call for their deaths. You were simply being patriotic. Good on ya.
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What's wrong with wishing that Republicans begin enjoying the afterlife they so richly deserve? The good Republicans (there must a few) will go to Heaven and hatefilled Republicans will have an eternity of ass scorching in Hell. It's a win win. So put aside your regrets, Mr. Savage, and cheer up; you're doing God's work.
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This episode of Bill Maher is the first time I've ever heard of Dan Savage, and the guy is fucking funny and quick! I heard the comment and was all like... "ooooh" lol. Dan is a funny guy, talking with funny people.
Big fucking deal.
Love,
Your new fan Ray
Big fucking deal.
Love,
Your new fan Ray
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I don't suppose there's a transcript or a captioned version of this panel anywhere, btw? I don't miss VHS, per se, but I gotta say, taping shows on those things did at least keep the captions (if broadcast w/same) w/o having to do anything special *mope*
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Nice apology Dan. The remark was careless and thoughtless, and not up to the kiind of articulate, funny and reasoned language I have come to expect from Dan Savage. But the apology was classy.
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Quick thought: When was the last time a Republican issued as heart-felt and sincere of an apology as this, especially before the word 'scandal' could be breathlessly masturbated by the media?
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Finally getting a chance to watch now. First impression: Dan looks AH-dorable! Loving the right to bare arms honey.
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BEG @49, did you see that someone in the comments thread transcribed all of the Jon Stewart/Jerry Seinfeld segments for you the other day?
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/mobile/…
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/mobile/…
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Even though I'm a big fan, Dan, I hate to say it, but last night's show was a flop. Sometimes the vibe on Maher clicks and sometimes it just doesn't. Last night not so much. Also, I think you came off a bit heavy on the class warfare with the Dallas Mavericks coach. Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of class warfare, I just don't think you did yourself any favors coming on so strong. Just sayin'...
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Well, obviously Dan, you need to make three public apologies for the press, with Terry in the beside you in a tasteful ensemble, then announce you are going into rehab, and then retiring from public life to spend more time with your family. Some tears, and maybe an allusion to finding Jesus wouldn't hurt. Do you need me to loan you a rosary? I've got a glow-in-the-dark "family" model that would look really striking against a black shirt.
Just kidding, of course. I was actually thinking much the same thing when I saw Ann Coulter on Real Time last week. I do wish someone would giver her her Syphilis meds. Her mind is almost entirely gone.
Republicans -or at least their politicians and pundits - are dreadful people. Their followers are naive, xenophobic rubes. Everyone wonders why there's so much spam. I blame it on Republicans. Only a Republican would be a big enough jerk to send it out, and only a Republican would be naive enough to open it.
You were intemperate. That is all. Have two Bloody Marys and something festive with an umbrella on it. Go in peace to sin no more.
Just kidding, of course. I was actually thinking much the same thing when I saw Ann Coulter on Real Time last week. I do wish someone would giver her her Syphilis meds. Her mind is almost entirely gone.
Republicans -or at least their politicians and pundits - are dreadful people. Their followers are naive, xenophobic rubes. Everyone wonders why there's so much spam. I blame it on Republicans. Only a Republican would be a big enough jerk to send it out, and only a Republican would be naive enough to open it.
You were intemperate. That is all. Have two Bloody Marys and something festive with an umbrella on it. Go in peace to sin no more.
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So.... an apology issued so that Little Danny Boy the Savages dad wouldn't be hurt. And for no other reason.
If this thing is going to start apologizing for stupid rude and thoughtless comments, it'll have to become a Trappist, though. Don't think it's capable of anything else.
Granted it's good that even a thing like Savage isn't so far gone as to hurt its' father intentionally. There may be hope for it yet.
If this thing is going to start apologizing for stupid rude and thoughtless comments, it'll have to become a Trappist, though. Don't think it's capable of anything else.
Granted it's good that even a thing like Savage isn't so far gone as to hurt its' father intentionally. There may be hope for it yet.
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It will be interesting to see what the right-wing blogs will try to do with this whole thing, but in the end I suppose that hardly matters. Votes will not be changed over this. At any rate, bravo for the apology. I'm sure people tell Dan to apologize for several dozen dumb ass reasons a day, which can get a pretty hard shell going and lead to a lot of less than admirable qualities and methods (many of which DS is regularly guilty of), so that's pretty neat to get out and front of it and apologize.
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@59
A human being who's foregone all that makes one human is 'it.' Savage is such a human being, as I've written fairly consistently.
Any chimp can mate. With love and comittment human beings turn mating into marriage and family. Savage wishes to turn its' unwillingness to love and comitt to another into a social change. It wants to turn its' animal nature into a norm, preaching universal rejection of the social codes around sexuality that help define humanity.
Humanity is partly about reflection on the things we do and experience, and here again, Savage has chosen the path of the animal over the human. Raising a child with another man? Well, that matters less than being 'monogamish' as the urge takes it.
To be clear- This has nothing to do with its' homosexuality. A man who chooses homosexuality (or a woman) and accepts the joys and costs of that choice has made the adult human decision. One who makes this choice, then deflects all the costs onto others has made at best the childish one, at worst the animal.
A human being who's foregone all that makes one human is 'it.' Savage is such a human being, as I've written fairly consistently.
Any chimp can mate. With love and comittment human beings turn mating into marriage and family. Savage wishes to turn its' unwillingness to love and comitt to another into a social change. It wants to turn its' animal nature into a norm, preaching universal rejection of the social codes around sexuality that help define humanity.
Humanity is partly about reflection on the things we do and experience, and here again, Savage has chosen the path of the animal over the human. Raising a child with another man? Well, that matters less than being 'monogamish' as the urge takes it.
To be clear- This has nothing to do with its' homosexuality. A man who chooses homosexuality (or a woman) and accepts the joys and costs of that choice has made the adult human decision. One who makes this choice, then deflects all the costs onto others has made at best the childish one, at worst the animal.
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I don't wish all Republicans would die, just their corrupt, ignorant, oppressive, bigotted, amoral ideology.
THAT can fucking die gargling its own blood, the sooner the better.
THAT can fucking die gargling its own blood, the sooner the better.
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" A man who chooses homosexuality......."
Oh, Seattleblah, let it go. Liberace's been dead for twenty-five years. He didn't love you. That wasn't a "choice", that's just the way love works. I know that hurts, but you have to move on. You'll always have those memories of Palm Springs, and that candelabra on your sideboard to remind you of happier times. Mrs Seattleblah will never know the story behind it. I promise you that.
Oh, Seattleblah, let it go. Liberace's been dead for twenty-five years. He didn't love you. That wasn't a "choice", that's just the way love works. I know that hurts, but you have to move on. You'll always have those memories of Palm Springs, and that candelabra on your sideboard to remind you of happier times. Mrs Seattleblah will never know the story behind it. I promise you that.
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@59, Are you enjoying China? The hole you've dug must reach there by now. This "it" you describe is not Dan Savage, it's a gross caricature.
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"Stupiditas" is actually a Latin word. You just need another "i" in there, Dan, and it will be real Latin! yay real Latin!
Anybody who won't admit to momentarily and briefly wishing that harm would come to people who annoy them is lying. We've all been there, we just don't always get caught on tape.
Anybody who won't admit to momentarily and briefly wishing that harm would come to people who annoy them is lying. We've all been there, we just don't always get caught on tape.
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Seattleblah, I was only trying to shield the slog - which is, after all, comprised of delicate souls - that you were, indeed, Palm Springs first teen stalker.
Poor Liberace was terrified, yet he tried to do right by that odd little fellow that followed him everywhere. That candelabra was a gift, not a bribe!
It must mean something to you, for you insist on having it in the bedroom whenever you and Mrs. Seattleblah have "relations", yet you deny knowing him? Remember Peter and the crowing of the cock, Seattleblahs - ungrateful youth will be visited by ungrateful youth of their own loins (Edna 3:27)
Poor Liberace was terrified, yet he tried to do right by that odd little fellow that followed him everywhere. That candelabra was a gift, not a bribe!
It must mean something to you, for you insist on having it in the bedroom whenever you and Mrs. Seattleblah have "relations", yet you deny knowing him? Remember Peter and the crowing of the cock, Seattleblahs - ungrateful youth will be visited by ungrateful youth of their own loins (Edna 3:27)
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Wow. Somebody has the class AND foresight to actually pre-emptivley apologize before being forced to by the inevitable Outrage Machine backlash. Maybe there is hope for humanity.
I am sincerely impressed. Dan just went up several notches in my list of cool people.
And for contrast, the statement "I wish ( X political rival group ) was dead!" would normally not only NOT be viewed as an intemperate remark, but more often be the tag line on the cover of a Republican pundits book.
I am sincerely impressed. Dan just went up several notches in my list of cool people.
And for contrast, the statement "I wish ( X political rival group ) was dead!" would normally not only NOT be viewed as an intemperate remark, but more often be the tag line on the cover of a Republican pundits book.
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@64
Tried digging to China once as a child. I got 2 or 3 feet deep in the garden before my mother made me stop for fear of cave in of the walls of the pit I'd dug. And my dad was worried I'd damage his tomatos planted nearby.
Anyway, China publicly dirty (though most private homes are scrupulously clean,) abysmally crowded, and most unforgiveably, without cheese. Cheap though, if you have local contacts to avoid tourist prices.
Public spaces being dirty is something you get used to if you travel with any frequency outside the US or Western Europe. It even becomes part of the experience. Crowds you can get away from if they annoy.
But without cheese? In 3 millenia of civilization they couldn't realize that no cuisine is complete without a good variety of cheeses for goodness sake?
Tried digging to China once as a child. I got 2 or 3 feet deep in the garden before my mother made me stop for fear of cave in of the walls of the pit I'd dug. And my dad was worried I'd damage his tomatos planted nearby.
Anyway, China publicly dirty (though most private homes are scrupulously clean,) abysmally crowded, and most unforgiveably, without cheese. Cheap though, if you have local contacts to avoid tourist prices.
Public spaces being dirty is something you get used to if you travel with any frequency outside the US or Western Europe. It even becomes part of the experience. Crowds you can get away from if they annoy.
But without cheese? In 3 millenia of civilization they couldn't realize that no cuisine is complete without a good variety of cheeses for goodness sake?
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So.... an apology issued so that Little Danny Boy the Savages dad wouldn't be hurt. And for no other reason.
If this thing is going to start apologizing for stupid rude and thoughtless comments, it'll have to become a Trappist, though. Don't think it's capable of anything else.
Granted it's good that even a thing like Savage isn't so far gone as to hurt its' father intentionally. There may be hope for it yet.
This from a suspected republican who publicly states CONSTANTLY that homosexuality is some abhorrent "choice" and homosexuals are morally diseased.
Nice one, asshole.
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BTW...
I've voted for exactly TWO rethuglicants in my entire life. Dan Evans and Dick Marquardt.
I would not give a bucket of warm urine for any of the rest of them....and I totally agree with Savage. Whose remarks were figurative rather than literal...but intemperate for the setting none the less.
I've voted for exactly TWO rethuglicants in my entire life. Dan Evans and Dick Marquardt.
I would not give a bucket of warm urine for any of the rest of them....and I totally agree with Savage. Whose remarks were figurative rather than literal...but intemperate for the setting none the less.
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I think I got the sentiment - that Arafat is a past problem, and I really wish these current Republicans were a decade-ago problem too. I mean, dumb comment, I thought a lot of the rest of what you said was insightful and your apology here is really classy. Do you know if Bill Maher will link to your apology?
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I love it! And no worries about being too harsh - sure, it's HBO, wooo, but remember Bill Maher's show has always been the closest HBO gets to Jerry Springer. Goes with his niche nicely.
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Well, well, Dan "let's invade Iraq" Savage claims he screwed up, but nobody is really shocked your father is a Republi-CON, nor is anybody really shocked recently, when you went on faux crat Stephanie "let's fry Bradley Manning and extradite Assange to Sweden" Miller's faux crat claptrap show (part of the Obama Apology Network) for an interview; Miller's father was Goldwater's VP candidate in the 1964 presidential election.
The question, Dano, is are you really a democrat???? Sure, you're Gay, but so are many Republi-CONS, dood?
Negative, dood, I DO wish death upon ALL Republi-CONS!
And why is that? Because we've reached critical mass in America with regard to an almost completely (and purposely) dumbed down populace, and the dismantled economy, and the completely Corporate Whore Media, and the serious environmental concerns, and the falling-apart infrastructure, and along with that dismantled economy, which has enabled the creation of so many debt-financed billionaires, are the various serious breakdowns occurring.
Two Must-Read Articles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/07/11/hawk…
The question, Dano, is are you really a democrat???? Sure, you're Gay, but so are many Republi-CONS, dood?
Negative, dood, I DO wish death upon ALL Republi-CONS!
And why is that? Because we've reached critical mass in America with regard to an almost completely (and purposely) dumbed down populace, and the dismantled economy, and the completely Corporate Whore Media, and the serious environmental concerns, and the falling-apart infrastructure, and along with that dismantled economy, which has enabled the creation of so many debt-financed billionaires, are the various serious breakdowns occurring.
Two Must-Read Articles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
http://www.newdeal20.org/2011/07/11/hawk…
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Long time reader, very occasional commenter here, Dan. I haven't seen it yet, but good on you for your apology. I can't really blame you for your sentiments, though. While I don't wish for the death of all Republicans, I've certainly had violent thoughts regarding certain right-wing elected officials and talking heads.
Also, with Troll Seattleblues' new low (who is far less of a human being than Dan), I suppose I'm only human for briefly wishing for its death. Heaven knows its life isn't accomplishing anything.
(Done feeding the troll.)
Also, with Troll Seattleblues' new low (who is far less of a human being than Dan), I suppose I'm only human for briefly wishing for its death. Heaven knows its life isn't accomplishing anything.
(Done feeding the troll.)
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@77
Sheesh!
Someone forgot his meds again...
Here's a free tip: If Stephanie Miller and Savage are too far right for you, the US may not be your best choice of home countries. Move someplace like China or Venezuala for your workers paradise, since this country will never swing left anywhere near where you'd be happy.
Here's another- Bradley Manning is a traitor who should be charged, convicted and hung for his betrayal of this nation. Julian Assange is a trouble making idiot trying to make international diplomacy impossible with a special hatred of this country which you share. Maybe he just was exposed to copious amounts of lead paint like you obviously were, or contracted syphilis from one of his promiscuous encounters. Who knows? Who cares? A world without his ilk would be a better one, whatever the source of his various mental illnesses.
Sheesh!
Someone forgot his meds again...
Here's a free tip: If Stephanie Miller and Savage are too far right for you, the US may not be your best choice of home countries. Move someplace like China or Venezuala for your workers paradise, since this country will never swing left anywhere near where you'd be happy.
Here's another- Bradley Manning is a traitor who should be charged, convicted and hung for his betrayal of this nation. Julian Assange is a trouble making idiot trying to make international diplomacy impossible with a special hatred of this country which you share. Maybe he just was exposed to copious amounts of lead paint like you obviously were, or contracted syphilis from one of his promiscuous encounters. Who knows? Who cares? A world without his ilk would be a better one, whatever the source of his various mental illnesses.
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Loved seeing you on the show, Dan, and glad you made it on this season. I didn't hear your under-the-breath comment. When you were introduced, you seemed taken aback by the audience's applause. Were you not expecting their approval?
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Wonderful apology though I fear most of the right-wingers will simply reject it out of hand.
Though, be thankful it happened on HBO; had it been MSNBC, CNN or even Comedy Central those networks would never have you back again. HBO probably will let it slide.
Though, be thankful it happened on HBO; had it been MSNBC, CNN or even Comedy Central those networks would never have you back again. HBO probably will let it slide.
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Holy crap...don't google what Dan said last night...IT'S FUCKING EVERYWHERE on the internets......
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THAT was how an apology is handled.
not "i was misquoted" or "taken out of context" or "the media is really piling on me" or so on or so forth. not "i'm sorry i wasn't given a chance to clarify what i said", either.
just: i said it, it was stupid, you may not have heard it, but i fucked up, i don't really feel that way, and i'm sorry, and if i could do it all over again, i wouldn't say that.
you're a good man, dan.
not "i was misquoted" or "taken out of context" or "the media is really piling on me" or so on or so forth. not "i'm sorry i wasn't given a chance to clarify what i said", either.
just: i said it, it was stupid, you may not have heard it, but i fucked up, i don't really feel that way, and i'm sorry, and if i could do it all over again, i wouldn't say that.
you're a good man, dan.
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The full context?
In a panel where Republicans trying to defend the fiscal strength of the nation (right or wrong about this interpretation) were directly compared to serial murderer Arafat, Savage ups the ante. It says it wishes 40% of this nation dead.
And now it wants to apologize. Not because it doesn't feel that way. Of course it feels that way. Every sentence it writes or speaks, its' vulgar attacks on the character and person of anyone who dares disagree with its' opinions (see Rick Santorum or the Palins) its' stated hatred of one of the greatest presidents this nation has had all clearly indicate that of course it feels exactly that way.
It just didn't want to offend its' father.
It's a good thing Savage is becoming a national laughingstock rather than a local one. Laughing at evil is the best way to defeat it.
In a panel where Republicans trying to defend the fiscal strength of the nation (right or wrong about this interpretation) were directly compared to serial murderer Arafat, Savage ups the ante. It says it wishes 40% of this nation dead.
And now it wants to apologize. Not because it doesn't feel that way. Of course it feels that way. Every sentence it writes or speaks, its' vulgar attacks on the character and person of anyone who dares disagree with its' opinions (see Rick Santorum or the Palins) its' stated hatred of one of the greatest presidents this nation has had all clearly indicate that of course it feels exactly that way.
It just didn't want to offend its' father.
It's a good thing Savage is becoming a national laughingstock rather than a local one. Laughing at evil is the best way to defeat it.
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I wish that about three times a day. The fact that you beat yourself up about it shows you have a conscience. How many Republicans, "Independents", or Tea Party douchebags wish anyone slightly to the left of center dead and never agonize over that wish? Too many to count. You shouldn't waste time on guilt for thinking it. However, next time, don't say it out loud in public...
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Laughing at evil is the best way to defeat it.
Which is the only reason we haven't banned your IP address, asshole.
Which is the only reason we haven't banned your IP address, asshole.
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It's a good thing you didn't get your wish, Dan. If all the Republicans died overnight, there'd be nobody left to pay for your favorite government programs.
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@90
Buffalo Bill? Eh? Didn't he die nearly a century ago?
But I'll leave you to it. Fishing with my son seems more interesting than trading barbs with liberals. Have a pleasant weekend.
Buffalo Bill? Eh? Didn't he die nearly a century ago?
But I'll leave you to it. Fishing with my son seems more interesting than trading barbs with liberals. Have a pleasant weekend.
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@Seattleblues:
1. "Republicans defending the fiscal strength of this country..." If that's what you want to call taking a box of matches to a gas-doused building--that we're all in.
2. After reading all of biblical pontifications on Goldy's bible quote Slog posts, I wonder what your god thinks of you dehumanizing someone. Hypocrite.
3. Its in the possessive needs no apostrophe.
1. "Republicans defending the fiscal strength of this country..." If that's what you want to call taking a box of matches to a gas-doused building--that we're all in.
2. After reading all of biblical pontifications on Goldy's bible quote Slog posts, I wonder what your god thinks of you dehumanizing someone. Hypocrite.
3. Its in the possessive needs no apostrophe.
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sb, if you're going to ride the IT thing on and on, at least learn that ITS as possessive HAS NO FUCKING APOSTROPHE. AT ALL. ANYWHERE.
I know not much can penetrate your thick skull. Why not stick ITS on the end of a needle and inject, along with your daily infusion of right-wing pablum? Maybe ITS will swim through the ice-water to whatever passes for your brain.
I know not much can penetrate your thick skull. Why not stick ITS on the end of a needle and inject, along with your daily infusion of right-wing pablum? Maybe ITS will swim through the ice-water to whatever passes for your brain.
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Dan was excellent on the show. He was insightful, funny, and I enjoyed the entire panel.
I see where if Dan would have been able to make what he said into a joke had he five-ten more seconds to construct it better in his head. The show moves so fast you have seconds to get something funny out and it's hit or miss. For all his hit's I'd say he gets a pass on this miss.
Overall I'd say 9.6 out of 10 stars.
I see where if Dan would have been able to make what he said into a joke had he five-ten more seconds to construct it better in his head. The show moves so fast you have seconds to get something funny out and it's hit or miss. For all his hit's I'd say he gets a pass on this miss.
Overall I'd say 9.6 out of 10 stars.
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"Fishing with my son seems more interesting than trading barbs with liberals."
Well, to you maybe. Who knows that sonny-boy doesn't have a countdown clock to his 18th birthday hidden on his iPhone? Goodbye to that stupid boat, no more fishing with that pompous blowhard. Freedom at last.
It really does gets better.
Well, to you maybe. Who knows that sonny-boy doesn't have a countdown clock to his 18th birthday hidden on his iPhone? Goodbye to that stupid boat, no more fishing with that pompous blowhard. Freedom at last.
It really does gets better.
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Who was that guy last weekend who was telling the Stranger Slog Mob to dial down the hate? Hmmm., let me think.....
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Don't feel too bad, Dan. It's not as though there aren't plenty of Republicans out there wishing all Democrats dead. Some of them even make a living at it. So, buck up my man... you, just like so many others, are "not altogether objectionable" as people go.
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@101 ..and when the republicants publically wish the rest of us dead, some body ends up actually gettin killed.
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Dan,
I appreciate your candor. I don't believe you meant it but at least you held yourself accountable. I remain a Republican w/o a regret for voting for McCain or Bush. I can vote and have voted for Democrats and independents.
The following is a longstanding sentiment regarding Pres. Obama. He was elected and remains my/our President (our commander-in-chief and Head of State). I would gladly shake his hand and thank him for his service as I would EVERY other President warts and all that has served this Republic. At this point, I don't prefer him President after Jan. 2013. There's a possibility he can win my vote in 2012. However, I don't see that happening. We'll see.
Meanwhile, let's continue spirited and civil debate from all sides on all issues.
I appreciate your candor. I don't believe you meant it but at least you held yourself accountable. I remain a Republican w/o a regret for voting for McCain or Bush. I can vote and have voted for Democrats and independents.
The following is a longstanding sentiment regarding Pres. Obama. He was elected and remains my/our President (our commander-in-chief and Head of State). I would gladly shake his hand and thank him for his service as I would EVERY other President warts and all that has served this Republic. At this point, I don't prefer him President after Jan. 2013. There's a possibility he can win my vote in 2012. However, I don't see that happening. We'll see.
Meanwhile, let's continue spirited and civil debate from all sides on all issues.
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I wouldn't have apologized. There is nothing to apologize for. You could clarify it by saying, "I wish all Republicans except my father would drop dead." Republicans have no respect, liking, goodwill, or civility toward the left, so why apologize for a gut feeling on their bigotry? Their incompetence? Their self-serving lies? They don't deserve an apology....or better yet, you should give them back one of their faux "I'm sorry you were offended" apologies. It's all they deserve. After all, they openly show their loathing, contempt, ill-will, toward us with a (death threat implied) bullet or a gun waving in the air.
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@95 -- Excellent.
Seattleblues really ought to see Silence of the Lambs if he's going to insist on referring to any individual person as 'it'. As the film nicely illustrates, that type of phrasing is associated with sociopaths: "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."
Seattleblues really ought to see Silence of the Lambs if he's going to insist on referring to any individual person as 'it'. As the film nicely illustrates, that type of phrasing is associated with sociopaths: "It rubs the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."
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I caught your RT appearance and heard your remark. I'm incorrigible! I laughed. It did make me think of an Anne Lamott article from Salon a few years back. I pull it out when I'm feeling like I'm not managing my own anger at the republicans... hope you find it both amusing and helpful.
Always enjoy seeing you with Bill Maher -
http://www.salon.com/09/departments/lamo…
Always enjoy seeing you with Bill Maher -
http://www.salon.com/09/departments/lamo…
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Long links get truncated if you're not registered, @107--is this the one you meant?
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2008/0…
http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2008/0…
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Dear Dan: Thank you very much for your apology. Before reading your post, I was surprised and very disappointed. You're someone who has done so much good in this world through the "It Gets Better!" campaign that values/saves the lives of struggling LGBT teens. I never imagined you wishing anyone dead. Again, thank you for your apology. Simply, I respect and like you. I wish you much continued love, health, and success. Warmly, Kelli (@aileen2u2 on Twitter)
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Remember, this is a "party" that has systematically and purposefully moved itself so far to the right it would not recognize Barry Goldwater if he rose to walk among them.
What would Jeebus do?
What would Jeebus do?
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Well, if sociopathy is your concern-
We evolved socially from a basic family grouping to a tribal one to various forms of national identity. ( And yes, this oversimplifies pretty radically, but time and space require this in the context of a blog post.) In all likelihood, those national identity will eventually give way to some degree to our dawning recognition that we're all human beings sharing a planet of limited resources.
With each enlargement of our social view of ourselves though the meanings become more theoretical and general, less concretely helpful to the individual just trying to do his best as a person in his community. At the base of any social system is and will remain the family, a mother and father bearing and raising kids. Ideally, they instill some basic ethical or social sense in their children, making the next generation capable of carrying on and improving on the culture into which they're born.
Part of the method of incentivizing this has been sexual morality, channeling that wonderful and powerful urge in humanity to the constructive end of healthy lifelong relationships between a man and woman. Part of it has been social and legal recognition of this unit in the form of marriage.
So-
How would you view someone whose life work is the destruction of this basic and essential building block of society out of a childish sense of self justification?
How would you see a person who willfully spends his life travelling the country working toward the dimunition of sexual morality so that his own questionable sexual morality seems more normal?
How would you view a person who has set themselves the task of destruction rather than creation, chaos rather than order?
I'm not writing about the right of every adult to conduct their sexual life as they see fit with other consenting adults. Provided they're willing to accept the social, financial or legal consequences of their choices, that's entirely their own business. I'm talking about someone using sexuality as a tool for dismantling his own society.
That's why I view Savage as I do.
And to allay confusion, I didn't dehumanize Savage. It did that masterfully all by itself.
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We evolved socially from a basic family grouping to a tribal one to various forms of national identity. ( And yes, this oversimplifies pretty radically, but time and space require this in the context of a blog post.) In all likelihood, those national identity will eventually give way to some degree to our dawning recognition that we're all human beings sharing a planet of limited resources.
With each enlargement of our social view of ourselves though the meanings become more theoretical and general, less concretely helpful to the individual just trying to do his best as a person in his community. At the base of any social system is and will remain the family, a mother and father bearing and raising kids. Ideally, they instill some basic ethical or social sense in their children, making the next generation capable of carrying on and improving on the culture into which they're born.
Part of the method of incentivizing this has been sexual morality, channeling that wonderful and powerful urge in humanity to the constructive end of healthy lifelong relationships between a man and woman. Part of it has been social and legal recognition of this unit in the form of marriage.
So-
How would you view someone whose life work is the destruction of this basic and essential building block of society out of a childish sense of self justification?
How would you see a person who willfully spends his life travelling the country working toward the dimunition of sexual morality so that his own questionable sexual morality seems more normal?
How would you view a person who has set themselves the task of destruction rather than creation, chaos rather than order?
I'm not writing about the right of every adult to conduct their sexual life as they see fit with other consenting adults. Provided they're willing to accept the social, financial or legal consequences of their choices, that's entirely their own business. I'm talking about someone using sexuality as a tool for dismantling his own society.
That's why I view Savage as I do.
And to allay confusion, I didn't dehumanize Savage. It did that masterfully all by itself.
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@49 BEG - I'll happily transcribe it - badly of course, but happily - when it appears online (I've not got cable / satellite). I may not be able to get it done before tomorrow a.m. though. Bear with me and I'll check back here.
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@112: If you think being hetero and having the strictly nuclear one-mother, one-father, 2.5 kids is the building block of society, you have a long, long way to go.
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Wow.....after reading over these comments, one thing does start to become clear. There definitely seems to be a difference between conservatives and "progressives". The latter just don't seem like very nice people.
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It's fun to read some of these comments that really truly agree with Dan's comment, for which he apologized.
But yet why do the mankind loving, peace loving, more morally upright (/sarcasm) leftist liberals inevitably engage in such vicious uncivil rhetoric? Even as some of their ilk, like Paul Krugman, accuse the other side of incivility, as he did in the Giffords shooting? Accusations which, predictably, turned out to be baseless.
Because it boils down to simply this: scratch the patina off a leftist, and you'll find a fascist underneath. They really want to rid the world of those who don't think like them. It's not too large a step, frankly, to go from the rhetoric to, say, camps.
So, I do not wish death, or even bodily harm upon my rabidly leftist brethren. I just want them to keep talking so the REAL feelings inevitably boil to the surface. Keep revealing yourselves. Keep doing it. Keep the loathing death wishes coming. Show everyone what is really in your hearts.
But yet why do the mankind loving, peace loving, more morally upright (/sarcasm) leftist liberals inevitably engage in such vicious uncivil rhetoric? Even as some of their ilk, like Paul Krugman, accuse the other side of incivility, as he did in the Giffords shooting? Accusations which, predictably, turned out to be baseless.
Because it boils down to simply this: scratch the patina off a leftist, and you'll find a fascist underneath. They really want to rid the world of those who don't think like them. It's not too large a step, frankly, to go from the rhetoric to, say, camps.
So, I do not wish death, or even bodily harm upon my rabidly leftist brethren. I just want them to keep talking so the REAL feelings inevitably boil to the surface. Keep revealing yourselves. Keep doing it. Keep the loathing death wishes coming. Show everyone what is really in your hearts.
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"Republicans wish us all dead. Why not return the favour?"
No, we really don't. But we do think it'd be nice if you bathed. And got jobs.
No, we really don't. But we do think it'd be nice if you bathed. And got jobs.
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It really saddens me to see such a great nation as the USA slowly rot into something that resembles the sh*thole that is Europe. I genuinely believe that a liberal life is not one worth living. It is better that this entire country be eliminated in a nuclear blast than for its citizens to become liberals. When it gets to the point that only a dozen or so genuine conservatives remain, perhaps Al Qaeda will take us all out.
Absent that, I don't see the present war (and there is a war right now - make no mistake) between conservatives and liberals ending peacefully. Eventually there will be bloodshed on a growing scale. There are too many people talking about it and too much anger and frustration simmering beneath the surface. For my money, let's just get it started so we can be done with it.
Absent that, I don't see the present war (and there is a war right now - make no mistake) between conservatives and liberals ending peacefully. Eventually there will be bloodshed on a growing scale. There are too many people talking about it and too much anger and frustration simmering beneath the surface. For my money, let's just get it started so we can be done with it.
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Watching the kiddies vent their Two Minutes' Hate on all Republicans is fun, in its way, but it's odd that a very minor gesture of decency on Dan's part brought this about.
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@116,
I sure didn't need to go very far to find some nut-job right winger make a call for violence against us liberals. See @ 118.
I sure didn't need to go very far to find some nut-job right winger make a call for violence against us liberals. See @ 118.
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I'm queer. I'm a Republican. And I will never, ever, ever accept your apology.
That was a Kinsley gaffe. You know it. I know it. The world knows it. Congratulations for showing the world the true contents of your soul.
That was a Kinsley gaffe. You know it. I know it. The world knows it. Congratulations for showing the world the true contents of your soul.
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Hold your tongue, Seattleblues. You should be ashamed of yourself, you're abusive and cruel. What are you a 12 year old bully? By your own words you claim that you believe that God sent Jesus to die for the world. Hate to tell you but Dan Savage is part of this world. The tenants of your faith teach you that Jesus died for Dan, just like he died for you. This is how you offer thanksgiving to God, by abusing and verbally spitting on one who Jesus thought worthy of dying for. You might as well spit into the elements for communion. Because, it would have been better for you to have put a millstone around your neck, you've caused others to believe that God is hateful, just like you act. Either than or you don't even believe that Jesus died for your sins.
Enjoy your fishing trip with your son. I hope he becomes a better man than the example you set here.
Enjoy your fishing trip with your son. I hope he becomes a better man than the example you set here.
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I'm still waiting for Ashton Kutcher to apologize for the episode of Real Time where he got all offended and freaked out when Dan flirted with him.
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I'm sure that apology will help a lot when the RepubliKKKans are shoving us into the showers that spray cyanide gas.
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@Catalina et al:
I must be missing something. Does SeattleBlues have some redeeming quality that makes him worth reading, let alone responding to? I can barely muster up a yawn for him, yet he sure seems to attract a lot of attention from others here on SLOG.
I must be missing something. Does SeattleBlues have some redeeming quality that makes him worth reading, let alone responding to? I can barely muster up a yawn for him, yet he sure seems to attract a lot of attention from others here on SLOG.
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@ seandr,
He would be out waving a "HALFRICAN IN CHEF" sign, but his Medicaid-paid Hoveround is acting up again.
He would be out waving a "HALFRICAN IN CHEF" sign, but his Medicaid-paid Hoveround is acting up again.
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Here's a pro-tip for everybody: when you are about criticize group X, try substituting another group Y in the same sentence and see how it sounds. For Y, pick some group you find basically sympathetic. Black people, Chinese, women, whatever. How do you think "All Asian-Americans should get rectal cancer" or "Black people are trying to kill us" sounds?
I know the person who says "Republicans are the spawn of the devil" feels morally superior to the person who says "Gays are the spawn of the devil" -- and he probably has some indignant argument -- but the reverse is also true, and both people are wrong.
I know the person who says "Republicans are the spawn of the devil" feels morally superior to the person who says "Gays are the spawn of the devil" -- and he probably has some indignant argument -- but the reverse is also true, and both people are wrong.
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Typical Left Wing Totalitarian Fascist (LWTF). They would have all Republicans in ovens if they could get away with it. That whole Peace and Love propaganda that started in the 60s was and is a complete sleight-of-hand to their real violent Totalitarian objectives. I like how you blame it on a single drink and use your dad to try and claim you didn't mean it. Yeah, sure, you would just issue your dad a reprieve as long as he converted. LWTFs are religious zealots that are no different than Muslim Fascists that murder homosexuals and treat women as less than farm animals.
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@128, Slog in general has been attracting a distinctive right wing crowd for the past 18 months or so.
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Man, it's trolly in here. ANYway, I'm generally, and still, a big Dan fan. I thought the comment was tacky, unfunny, and unmemorable, and not a big deal, and this apology is gracious and evidence of his good character, and everybody shut up.
But, this post and thread led me to watch the show, which I've only done once or twice before, and I have to ask: what's up with the makeup? Is it just my teevee? Dan has Pepto-bismol pink lips and Marc Cuban has late-career-Joan-Crawford eyes. They look like drag queens.
Also, I had no idea Marc Cuban was dumb. I've heard he's a character, and maybe an asshole. I didn't think he came off as an asshole or bad guy at all, but he sure seemed dimwitted.
I don't get this show. It seemed more cringey than funny; so many awkward pauses and jokes gone flat. I like Dan enough to hope he finds a better mainstream outlet than this.
But, this post and thread led me to watch the show, which I've only done once or twice before, and I have to ask: what's up with the makeup? Is it just my teevee? Dan has Pepto-bismol pink lips and Marc Cuban has late-career-Joan-Crawford eyes. They look like drag queens.
Also, I had no idea Marc Cuban was dumb. I've heard he's a character, and maybe an asshole. I didn't think he came off as an asshole or bad guy at all, but he sure seemed dimwitted.
I don't get this show. It seemed more cringey than funny; so many awkward pauses and jokes gone flat. I like Dan enough to hope he finds a better mainstream outlet than this.
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I see Dan has inspired such civility in so many of you. That his comment, and your thoroughly disgusting approval and encouragement, generates unnecessary hostility to LGBT community leadership and reputation must be beside the point. This behavior certainly begets no sympathy. That said, it's stupid stunts like this that encourage more in middle America to go the polls and vote for Republicans, which I guess is karmic punishment for Dan and his fans.
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I wish fags named Dan were dead............. UPDATE earlier in this post I made a comment I did not mean. I had a sip of sweet tea before I started typing...... FUCK YOU. You would not have said it if you did not believe it. At least be woman enough to stand behind what you said.
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Well, seeing as how just about everyone is prison is a Democrat, welfare recipients are overwhelmingly Democrat, high-school dropouts wind up being Democrats, etc., I find it hard to believe that Democrats would hate the people that pay for most of the government programs that pay out largely to Democrats. Be nice guyz.... 99% of Democrats make the other 1% look bad.
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I'm queer. I'm a Republican. And I will never, ever, ever accept your apology.
That was a Kinsley gaffe. You know it. I know it. The world knows it. Congratulations for showing the world the true contents of your soul.
You're queer?
You're Republican?
You're an idiot.
It's like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.
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These are the weakest trolls I've seen in ages! We're really all secret Nazis who would stick you in death camps if we had the chance? Come on, don't Godwin this shit before it's even started. That's no fun at all!
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Big question now, Dan, is what you would think of a conservative Republican entertainer or writer who said on TV, perhaps in a comical manner and perhaps after even two! drinks, that he wished all Democrats dead. And whether you would respect his subsequent try-to-be-cute-about-it apology. I doubt it. I suspect that, apology or no, you'd insist that he revealed his true, deeply-petty-hateful self.
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As a conservative, I wasn't surprised at all. Barely a week goes by without a Democrat fantasizing on TV about murdering people who have other opinions. Trust me, we're accustomed to it, and expect it from you.
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Upon 2nd reading of Dan's apology (I commented after reading it the 1st time; see #109): It does harken to excuses I've heard given to cover bigotted, racist and sexist statements in the past; "One of my best friends/relatives is...(Insert race, sexual-orientation, creed, religion), etc." That being said, I'm shocked and saddened by the vitriol on both political sides of the spectrum written here. Thank you to all that expressed your opinions intelligently and thoughtfully.
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As a conservative, I wasn't surprised at all. Barely a week goes by without a Democrat fantasizing on TV about murdering people who have other opinions. Trust me, we're accustomed to it, and expect it from you.
I remember the first time I noticed such a murderous fantasy by the leader of the Democratic party, when John Kerry said on the Chris Matthews show "What I oughta do is take this shotgun down to 1600 Pennsylvania, 'cause there are two birds down there that need killing."......
.....ah....good times.....
So Dan, not to worry. By now, it's old hat.
I remember the first time I noticed such a murderous fantasy by the leader of the Democratic party, when John Kerry said on the Chris Matthews show "What I oughta do is take this shotgun down to 1600 Pennsylvania, 'cause there are two birds down there that need killing."......
.....ah....good times.....
So Dan, not to worry. By now, it's old hat.
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So, for those who wish death on Republicans/Conservatives.
Would you LIKE to see them REALLY exterminated? Because given how many of them there are, it would have to be done on an industrial scale, with rail cars, centralized holding areas, and an assembly line approach.
Does that sound good?
Would you LIKE to see them REALLY exterminated? Because given how many of them there are, it would have to be done on an industrial scale, with rail cars, centralized holding areas, and an assembly line approach.
Does that sound good?
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quick points.
1. You may retract the literal words but the sentiment "I hate all Republicans" remains.
2. So much for the NYTimes article's lame attempt to paint you as a sort of quasi-conservative. Did anyone believe that for a second?
3. How can anyone take seriously an advice columnist who hates a third of the population? How could you possibly presume to transcend your own bigotry and have anything constructive to say to them?
4. I'm a bi Republican, by the way, and I'm not conflicted about that.
1. You may retract the literal words but the sentiment "I hate all Republicans" remains.
2. So much for the NYTimes article's lame attempt to paint you as a sort of quasi-conservative. Did anyone believe that for a second?
3. How can anyone take seriously an advice columnist who hates a third of the population? How could you possibly presume to transcend your own bigotry and have anything constructive to say to them?
4. I'm a bi Republican, by the way, and I'm not conflicted about that.
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Oh, I suppose you're right seandr, but it seems like half my life I've had to sit quietly and nod politely while some conservative blowhard goes on about The Way Things Ought To Be. So when I have the chance to annoy them here on Slog, I just can't help myself.
Plus, it helps stir up the Conservative Moral Outrage Machine, as we've seen here in these comments, and that's too fun to pass up. You'll notice the common thread of both persecution, paranoia, verging on maudlin self-pity of the Glenn Beck school of thought.
Plus, it helps stir up the Conservative Moral Outrage Machine, as we've seen here in these comments, and that's too fun to pass up. You'll notice the common thread of both persecution, paranoia, verging on maudlin self-pity of the Glenn Beck school of thought.
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Well.... Referencing my own @6 -- I will say that I do not actually personally wish any particular person dead (although Reagan was a tough, tough, tough one to let go, and personally the way he DID go was so fitting I really couldn't have asked for better) .
But the thing is, I *do* believe in karmic retribution. I do believe in "as ye sow so shall ye reap" and so I do believe that those Republicans busily making sure that countless women and others will die through their repression of basic reproductive health care which includes access to contraception and abortion WILL come back and hit them.
I won't have to do a damn thing, other than work for what *I* believe in. So, what @1 says, I do think a form of it will happen, whether I wish it or not, because those particular Republicans will bring it on themselves.
Now, that all said, I *am* in the camp of those saying -- Look, that's a real apology, that's not giving out oh, "I'm sorry if I offended" -- that was a true "Hey I screwed up and I apologize." I don't see that very often anywhere so it's impressive when it does come up.
When Bachmann comes up and simply says "Hey, that was a dick move, to say gay teens are barbarians, and I'm really sorry about that," instead of "OH WAAAH WAAAH, IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT" -- then I might be slightly more impressed with those here in this thread making Dan out to be some kind of bloodthirsty monster, axe in hand...
Sheesh.
But the thing is, I *do* believe in karmic retribution. I do believe in "as ye sow so shall ye reap" and so I do believe that those Republicans busily making sure that countless women and others will die through their repression of basic reproductive health care which includes access to contraception and abortion WILL come back and hit them.
I won't have to do a damn thing, other than work for what *I* believe in. So, what @1 says, I do think a form of it will happen, whether I wish it or not, because those particular Republicans will bring it on themselves.
Now, that all said, I *am* in the camp of those saying -- Look, that's a real apology, that's not giving out oh, "I'm sorry if I offended" -- that was a true "Hey I screwed up and I apologize." I don't see that very often anywhere so it's impressive when it does come up.
When Bachmann comes up and simply says "Hey, that was a dick move, to say gay teens are barbarians, and I'm really sorry about that," instead of "OH WAAAH WAAAH, IT WAS TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT" -- then I might be slightly more impressed with those here in this thread making Dan out to be some kind of bloodthirsty monster, axe in hand...
Sheesh.
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@150, We were actually thinking a more DIY approach would be better. The US doesn't have a very effective rail system, and gassing and burning your corpses would have too negative an impact on the environment. It makes much more sense to small-batch execute you and naturally compost your cadavers for fertilizer to grow food for the terrorized subjects of our commie-fascist welfare state.
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I've seen videos of Orcas gobbling up cute little seals, and I suspect that suddenlyorcas isn't nearly so cute as the seals, but I'd like to see an Orca suddenly gobble up suddenlyorcas. Gruesome (maybe, perhaps) but certainly much more entertainingly gruesome and deserved than Republicans dying from prostate cancer or the seals themselves being gobbled up by Orcas.
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Like your dad, I'm an independent who often votes Republican. I generally vote for reasons of economic & foreign policy.
Thank you for the apology, it was well-done & sincere (unlike most public apologies these days). Most of the comments that follow, which seem to completely miss the point, spirit, and rightness of your apology, are terribly depressing.
So, from what I gather, all Republicans (like me) are evil monsters on a mission to kill women and gay people (and I presume black people as well). Evil bigots filled with hate. Unlike you fine people, who hate all Republicans with every fiber of your being because they're…. so hateful. Well, hate to disappoint you, but that right there, what you're feeling so morally righteous about? Is hatred & bigotry just the same. If you were to try reading your own comments with a more objective eye, you'd see plenty of projection.
But hey, I (and every other person right of center) is used to this; this kind of facile stereotyping & hatred of Republicans permeates every public medium (TV, movies, news, art, etc. etc.). Do any of you who speak so glibly about "all Republicans" actually know & interact with any Republicans? Believe it or not, we don't go around wishing death on liberals, women, blacks, and gays. Actually, many of us are women, black, and/ or gay, and like to consider ourselves "classical liberals." Mostly, these days, Republicans just have different ideas than you about the role of government, spending, taxes, etc., a very different diagnosis re the state of the economy & what to do about it. I know, my god-- what MONSTERS!
Thank you for the apology, it was well-done & sincere (unlike most public apologies these days). Most of the comments that follow, which seem to completely miss the point, spirit, and rightness of your apology, are terribly depressing.
So, from what I gather, all Republicans (like me) are evil monsters on a mission to kill women and gay people (and I presume black people as well). Evil bigots filled with hate. Unlike you fine people, who hate all Republicans with every fiber of your being because they're…. so hateful. Well, hate to disappoint you, but that right there, what you're feeling so morally righteous about? Is hatred & bigotry just the same. If you were to try reading your own comments with a more objective eye, you'd see plenty of projection.
But hey, I (and every other person right of center) is used to this; this kind of facile stereotyping & hatred of Republicans permeates every public medium (TV, movies, news, art, etc. etc.). Do any of you who speak so glibly about "all Republicans" actually know & interact with any Republicans? Believe it or not, we don't go around wishing death on liberals, women, blacks, and gays. Actually, many of us are women, black, and/ or gay, and like to consider ourselves "classical liberals." Mostly, these days, Republicans just have different ideas than you about the role of government, spending, taxes, etc., a very different diagnosis re the state of the economy & what to do about it. I know, my god-- what MONSTERS!
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Like your dad, I'm an independent who often votes Republican. Neither party is a perfect fit; I generally vote for reasons of economic & foreign policy.
Thank you for the apology, it was well-done & sincere (unlike most public apologies these days). Most of the comments that follow, which seem to completely miss the point, spirit, and rightness of your apology, are terribly depressing. The following is addressed not to Dan, but those commenters.
So, from what I gather, all Republicans (like me) are evil monsters on a mission to kill women and gay people (and I presume black people as well). Evil bigots filled with hate. Unlike you fine people, who hate all Republicans with every fiber of your being because they're…. so hateful. (Which you know because, other people who hate Republicans tell you how hateful they are, and they must be right.) Well, hate to disappoint you, but that right there, what you're feeling so morally righteous about? Is hatred & bigotry just the same. If you were to try reading your own comments with a more objective eye, you'd see projection.
But hey, I (and every other person right of center) is used to this; this kind of facile stereotyping & hatred of Republicans permeates every public medium (TV, movies, news, art, etc. etc.). Do any of you who speak so glibly about "all Republicans" actually know & interact with any Republicans? I know it's hard to believe, but we don't wish death on liberals, women, blacks, and gays. Actually, many of us are women, black, and/ or gay, and would call ourselves "classical liberals." Mostly, these days, Republicans just have different ideas than you (right or wrong) about the role of government, spending, taxes, etc., have a very different diagnosis (right or wrong) re the state of the economy & what to do about it. I know, my god: what MONSTERS! Kill us all.
More...
Thank you for the apology, it was well-done & sincere (unlike most public apologies these days). Most of the comments that follow, which seem to completely miss the point, spirit, and rightness of your apology, are terribly depressing. The following is addressed not to Dan, but those commenters.
So, from what I gather, all Republicans (like me) are evil monsters on a mission to kill women and gay people (and I presume black people as well). Evil bigots filled with hate. Unlike you fine people, who hate all Republicans with every fiber of your being because they're…. so hateful. (Which you know because, other people who hate Republicans tell you how hateful they are, and they must be right.) Well, hate to disappoint you, but that right there, what you're feeling so morally righteous about? Is hatred & bigotry just the same. If you were to try reading your own comments with a more objective eye, you'd see projection.
But hey, I (and every other person right of center) is used to this; this kind of facile stereotyping & hatred of Republicans permeates every public medium (TV, movies, news, art, etc. etc.). Do any of you who speak so glibly about "all Republicans" actually know & interact with any Republicans? I know it's hard to believe, but we don't wish death on liberals, women, blacks, and gays. Actually, many of us are women, black, and/ or gay, and would call ourselves "classical liberals." Mostly, these days, Republicans just have different ideas than you (right or wrong) about the role of government, spending, taxes, etc., have a very different diagnosis (right or wrong) re the state of the economy & what to do about it. I know, my god: what MONSTERS! Kill us all.
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Dear trolls who are creeping out from the cracks in your parents' 1960s-era faux-wood-paneling, like so many disease-ridden cockroaches:
Please crawl back from whence you came.
Please crawl back from whence you came.
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@157, I agree the hate here is inappropriate, but do you ever read the comments on conservative blogs? Malkin's blog for one is littered with the same toxic rhetoric, albeit pointed in the opposite direction. Hell, Rush and Coulter have made very lucrative careers insulting people for the crime of having different opinions about policy. Humans of all political stripes can be nasty but we tend to be oblivious to it when we're not the target.
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Queers wonder why people hate them with such a venal passion. Read these comments and there is all of the proof you will ever need. Small, gutless, whiny, sissy boys wishing death upon others. A real high class group for sure.
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@ 157,
160 makes a great point. Taking it a bit further, it speaks to all the studies that point to the internet being politically isolating. We're now able to seek out all of our news & feedback from those sources we're already in agreement with. Personally, I'd welcome the opportunity to frequent a slog-esque website w/ a small government slant/bias, if only to broaden my perspective (such a mixed bag though, as it's crucial to avoid the moronic evangelical perspective, and the two so often go hand in hand.) Unfortunately, my efforts to locate such a site have proven completely frutiless. Drudge Report? Ugh.
Up until today, I actually had a good amount of respect for seattleblues, who regularly comes onto a left leaning blog and debates in what I'd previously perceived to be a respectful manner. Unfortunately, his comments in this thread went a pretty good ways to shattering that impression.
160's right though and I also spent a few minutes perusing some conservative blog's take on the issue & the accompanying comment thread. It was sadly, if predictably hateful and vitriolic far exceeding that which I've read here (if anyone is curious, I'd googled "Dan Savage Republican comment" or something in an effort to watch the clip. I think it's the first hit that comes up upon doing so.)
160 makes a great point. Taking it a bit further, it speaks to all the studies that point to the internet being politically isolating. We're now able to seek out all of our news & feedback from those sources we're already in agreement with. Personally, I'd welcome the opportunity to frequent a slog-esque website w/ a small government slant/bias, if only to broaden my perspective (such a mixed bag though, as it's crucial to avoid the moronic evangelical perspective, and the two so often go hand in hand.) Unfortunately, my efforts to locate such a site have proven completely frutiless. Drudge Report? Ugh.
Up until today, I actually had a good amount of respect for seattleblues, who regularly comes onto a left leaning blog and debates in what I'd previously perceived to be a respectful manner. Unfortunately, his comments in this thread went a pretty good ways to shattering that impression.
160's right though and I also spent a few minutes perusing some conservative blog's take on the issue & the accompanying comment thread. It was sadly, if predictably hateful and vitriolic far exceeding that which I've read here (if anyone is curious, I'd googled "Dan Savage Republican comment" or something in an effort to watch the clip. I think it's the first hit that comes up upon doing so.)
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Dear Dan,
In spite of your apology, I still think you're an asshole.
That said, I read your column regularly and enjoy it - aside from the political bullshit you spout.
Mike
In spite of your apology, I still think you're an asshole.
That said, I read your column regularly and enjoy it - aside from the political bullshit you spout.
Mike
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Man, for all the talk right-wingers like to give about being so much tougher than us hippie liberals, you sure do get your panties in a twist real easily...
Then again, what can I expect from a group that cries to their mommies (or their senators) when they see two dudes holding hands. What a bunch of pussies.
Then again, what can I expect from a group that cries to their mommies (or their senators) when they see two dudes holding hands. What a bunch of pussies.
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@60 A human being who's foregone all that makes one human is 'it.'
You mean someone like a Republican?
You mean someone like a Republican?
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you are aids ridden human excrement. die you commie bastard. oh wait ... I shouldn't have written that. I had some wine yesterday. sorry.
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Pretty ironic.
Cause Reagan thought the whole AIDS thing was a huge cosmic "as ye sow so shall ye reap" .
And he never uttered the word 'AIDS' cause he didn't think there was any thing that could be said except that everyone has said for thousands of years not to do it and now you're killing each other off with your deviant perversion and there's nothing anyone else can say or do about it...
What would Ronnie think about the HIV rate among homosexuals being 20% after 30 years of massive outreach and education and research?
"There you go again....."
Pretty ironic.
Cause Reagan thought the whole AIDS thing was a huge cosmic "as ye sow so shall ye reap" .
And he never uttered the word 'AIDS' cause he didn't think there was any thing that could be said except that everyone has said for thousands of years not to do it and now you're killing each other off with your deviant perversion and there's nothing anyone else can say or do about it...
What would Ronnie think about the HIV rate among homosexuals being 20% after 30 years of massive outreach and education and research?
"There you go again....."
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@146 Personally I'd be grateful they were finally being honest about something that's been obvious for ages now.
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@162 Up until today, I actually had a good amount of respect for seattleblues, who regularly comes onto a left leaning blog and debates in what I'd previously perceived to be a respectful manner
What alternate universe were you in when you saw those posts he made?
What alternate universe were you in when you saw those posts he made?
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dan, you sex advice can be insightful and humorous... and thanks for the 'it gets better' campaign, of course... but politics is not really your forte. i was disappointed to hear your rote, lefty talking points (even if that's what maher's audience eats up). that dem=good/repub=bad stuff is simple-minded and tired...and, apology or no, wishing death on people who simply disagree with you is about as low as a person can go. i thought you were a better, more thoughtful person than this.
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Looks like this is going viral...
Dan Savage on HBO's 'Real Time': 'I Wish [Republicans] Were All F--king Dead!'
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa…
Dan Savage on HBO's 'Real Time': 'I Wish [Republicans] Were All F--king Dead!'
Freeland actually said Maher had a "really good point" comparing Republicans to a homicidal maniac.
Ignoring the anti-Republican hostility, as Charles Krauthammer noted on PBS's "Inside Washington" earlier Friday evening, "You have a completely compliant, pliant, supine press accepting every leak out of the White House."
Indeed. It's a metaphysical certitude that neither Maher nor Freeland could actually name one specific cut Obama has proposed to entitlements.
But there they both were on national television promoting such propaganda moments after the host compared Republicans to a homicidal maniac and Savage said he wished they were all dead.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa…
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@130: The reason why "Republicans hate women and want to punish them for sex" makes sense is because it rings true. Not so for your examples there. Keep digging, someday you'll get it.
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What a great day for Stranger revenue! I bet, when the tech-savvy, at-risk youth finally stumble in on Monday (or Tuesday or Wednesday......) it will prove to be the biggest day for Slog registrations EVER!
Thousands of hits, all helping to improve The Stranger's bottom line. Conservatives are so predictable....
Thousands of hits, all helping to improve The Stranger's bottom line. Conservatives are so predictable....
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Wow Dan, that was awesome!
Especially was moved by your call for union jobs American workers.
Very moving....
What will you do to see that employees at The Stranger get union protection?
Will you, management, share a little of the wealth?
Perhaps forgo some First Class privilege so Goldy can buy shoes for his daughter?
You know, in so many American companies management treats themselves lavishly while screwing over the workers.
Are you that kind of management, Dan?
When will The Stranger be unionized?
Especially was moved by your call for union jobs American workers.
Very moving....
What will you do to see that employees at The Stranger get union protection?
Will you, management, share a little of the wealth?
Perhaps forgo some First Class privilege so Goldy can buy shoes for his daughter?
You know, in so many American companies management treats themselves lavishly while screwing over the workers.
Are you that kind of management, Dan?
When will The Stranger be unionized?
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Dan, way to school Maher on WW2....
It's time Americans recognized how Alan Turing basically won the Second World War.
(my favorite is the part in Saving Private Ryan where he rips the canon out of the turret of a Nazi Tiger tank and blasts the bastards to hell and saves the village.....what's yours?)
It is so heartbreaking that the British government hounded poor Turing to death:(
We understand that making fun of his lisp was the final straw for poor Alan....
It's time Americans recognized how Alan Turing basically won the Second World War.
(my favorite is the part in Saving Private Ryan where he rips the canon out of the turret of a Nazi Tiger tank and blasts the bastards to hell and saves the village.....what's yours?)
It is so heartbreaking that the British government hounded poor Turing to death:(
We understand that making fun of his lisp was the final straw for poor Alan....
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Dan, thanks for working in the part about Lincoln being gay.
It is high time the GOP received credit for having America's first Gay President.
We are just puzzled why todays ungrateful generation of homosexuals have turned from the Gay Old Party...
It is high time the GOP received credit for having America's first Gay President.
We are just puzzled why todays ungrateful generation of homosexuals have turned from the Gay Old Party...
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I presume from your name that you and I are fellow Scots-Americans. The courtesy of your response would be de rigueur in Edinburgh or the Highlands and might even draw some faint applause in hard-assed Glasgow, despite the once-rich country's insane infatuation with socialism. As first generation out of Glasgow, I salute your gentlemanliness. I write as one born into the heart of the Democrat Party, my maternal grandmother (born 1880) having been the first chairwoman of the party in our county. My entire large family deserted the party in disgust over Carter. I worked as an editor for a Marxist publisher and am thoroughly conversant, alas, with the best literature of the Left, I caution you that you sail in dangerous waters if your views in general attract the deranged scum writing here. Since you are trying out the classical tongue, however incorrectly, let me modify Wren's epitaph in St Paul's a mite: Si queris rationem, circumspice.
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Dan, thank you for interrupting the flow on the bit about pharmaceuticals to work in your crush on Jake Gyllenhaal.
It is important to remind people, often, that homosexuals like guys.
Whenever attractive women are mentioned in a conversation it is the duty of any homosexual present to mention a guy he thinks is hot.
And to insist that the other guys present admit that they too find your crush hot.
Way to go!
We are a teeny tiny bit disappointed, however, that you did not work in a reference to pegging, specifically giving some graphic detail about the practice.
As we recall that went over real well with Colbert...
Like; "Admit it Bill, you think Jake Gyllenhaal is hot, too....don't you fantasize about Jake Gyllenhaal while your GF is anally penetrating you with a dildo?"
something like that would have been nice.....
It is important to remind people, often, that homosexuals like guys.
Whenever attractive women are mentioned in a conversation it is the duty of any homosexual present to mention a guy he thinks is hot.
And to insist that the other guys present admit that they too find your crush hot.
Way to go!
We are a teeny tiny bit disappointed, however, that you did not work in a reference to pegging, specifically giving some graphic detail about the practice.
As we recall that went over real well with Colbert...
Like; "Admit it Bill, you think Jake Gyllenhaal is hot, too....don't you fantasize about Jake Gyllenhaal while your GF is anally penetrating you with a dildo?"
something like that would have been nice.....
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Piper Scot - is that you @ 180? You certainly sound as pompous and deluded. And let's face it - there's not that many people who care about their "scotch heritage", and most of them are gay.
If it is you, welcome back! Is your family still tolerating you, or is this a cry for help?
If it is you, welcome back! Is your family still tolerating you, or is this a cry for help?
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I'm not a republican at all, just a guy that can confirm that Dan Savage is a total douche in real life.
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Overall Dan we'd have to give you a D-
You quarreled with Bill in every segment
and interrupted the flow and banter
earnestly ostentatiously injecting your
quirky HomoLiberal talking points
and felt compelled to remind the other panelists repeatedly
that America's best known homosexual sex columnist is gay.
Like all permissive but well meaning parents Maher has learned
that it is a mistake to seat children at the adults' table.
He probably won't repeat the mistake.
You quarreled with Bill in every segment
and interrupted the flow and banter
earnestly ostentatiously injecting your
quirky HomoLiberal talking points
and felt compelled to remind the other panelists repeatedly
that America's best known homosexual sex columnist is gay.
Like all permissive but well meaning parents Maher has learned
that it is a mistake to seat children at the adults' table.
He probably won't repeat the mistake.
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"I wish they were all fuckin' dead"
That is the kind of insightful well thought well articulated commentary these shows crave...
and you can't get that kind of insight, from say, some homeless bum on the street-
no, that kind of insightful well thought well articulated commentary is pretty hard to find...
That is the kind of insightful well thought well articulated commentary these shows crave...
and you can't get that kind of insight, from say, some homeless bum on the street-
no, that kind of insightful well thought well articulated commentary is pretty hard to find...
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Actually amongst themselves Republican's refer to AIDS as 'Lincoln's Revenge' for just that reason.
Actually amongst themselves Republican's refer to AIDS as 'Lincoln's Revenge' for just that reason.
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Well, that is very nice of you to not wish us all dead. I, as a Republican, wish you the very best and pray that you will live in blessedness in both this life and the life of the world to come.
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More hate speech from the party that condemns it.
I think you should go out and kill all the Republicans you can.
Just remember there are about 300 million handguns in this country, we all have carry-permits and you have televised threats. it'd be pretty easy to claim "Self-defense".
No way someones lifestyle view equates with a mere political view, so you go ahead and engage in the very hate speech that put you in that closet.
And then someone is going to get very tired of it...
I think you should go out and kill all the Republicans you can.
Just remember there are about 300 million handguns in this country, we all have carry-permits and you have televised threats. it'd be pretty easy to claim "Self-defense".
No way someones lifestyle view equates with a mere political view, so you go ahead and engage in the very hate speech that put you in that closet.
And then someone is going to get very tired of it...
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184, As we'd say back in Iowa, "what's this 'we' business? You got worms, or is there a turd in your pocket?"
(Yes, I can still be folksy and homespun when I have to - and considering I'm heading back to The Old Country to visit Mother Vel-DuRay in just a few short hours, I suppose I should brush up on my Palinisms)
(Yes, I can still be folksy and homespun when I have to - and considering I'm heading back to The Old Country to visit Mother Vel-DuRay in just a few short hours, I suppose I should brush up on my Palinisms)
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Democrats would be surprised how many "closeted" Republicans they deal with in real life. In many fields of endeavor, the Republicans have to very careful never to reveal their political thoughts for fear of backlash. And by political thoughts, I mean something as small as "maybe we could have less government." or "NPR would do fine on its own." Stuff that is very, very trivial.
Oh, and for all of the Democrats going crazy about spending cuts. Relax. They will happen no matter who you elect. See California for example. Completely controlled by Democrats. Still cutting to the bone. You see, no matter what party is in power, when you run out of money, you run out of money.
Oh, and for all of the Democrats going crazy about spending cuts. Relax. They will happen no matter who you elect. See California for example. Completely controlled by Democrats. Still cutting to the bone. You see, no matter what party is in power, when you run out of money, you run out of money.
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I'm not sure why you would apologize. It shows the extremely insane and murderous mind of liberals who live in a delusional fantasy world. Most nonliberals already know this. Looking over some of these comments it's easy to see your diehard followers are fulls of this same madness. "All Republicans wish use dead"?
Seriously, you all sound like 14 year olds who are hate women because cheerleaders ignored you.
I see this where ever liberals feel free to show their true side You act like you have compassion, but you're full of hate, paranoid thinking everyone else is out to get you, and pretending you have a monopoly of empathy.
Seriously, you all sound like 14 year olds who are hate women because cheerleaders ignored you.
I see this where ever liberals feel free to show their true side You act like you have compassion, but you're full of hate, paranoid thinking everyone else is out to get you, and pretending you have a monopoly of empathy.
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191 darling, as they say in "rock & roll": Paranoia will destroy ya.
Or, in other words, don't be a Joe McCarthy. That always ends badly. Especially for people with funny sounding names like yours.
Or, in other words, don't be a Joe McCarthy. That always ends badly. Especially for people with funny sounding names like yours.
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I'm not sure why you would apologize. It shows the extremely insane and murderous mind of liberals who live in a delusional fantasy world. Most nonliberals already know this. Looking over some of these comments it's easy to see your diehard followers are fulls of this same madness. "All Republicans wish use dead"?
Seriously, you all sound like 14 year olds who are hate women because cheerleaders ignored you.
I see this where ever liberals feel free to show their true side You act like you have compassion, but you're full of hate, paranoid thinking everyone else is out to get you, and pretending you have a monopoly of empathy.
Seriously, you all sound like 14 year olds who are hate women because cheerleaders ignored you.
I see this where ever liberals feel free to show their true side You act like you have compassion, but you're full of hate, paranoid thinking everyone else is out to get you, and pretending you have a monopoly of empathy.
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Ah, and look at all the liberals screaming for the deaths of Republicans, and chastising Dan for his apology.
Well, let me ask you this, you brave, little fucks:
What's stopping you? You want me dead? Bring it.
Seriously. Stop banging your keyboards, and actually DO something about it.
But you won't. You know why? Because you're nothing but a bunch of loudmouth cowards.
Well, let me ask you this, you brave, little fucks:
What's stopping you? You want me dead? Bring it.
Seriously. Stop banging your keyboards, and actually DO something about it.
But you won't. You know why? Because you're nothing but a bunch of loudmouth cowards.
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"Malkin's blog for one is littered with the same toxic rhetoric, "
Bullshit.
You won't find a single comment on any thread come remotely close to the violent death fantasies your side is peddling here.
Not. One.
Bullshit.
You won't find a single comment on any thread come remotely close to the violent death fantasies your side is peddling here.
Not. One.
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Dan struck a nerve across America and this shit has gone viral across all GOP bloggers.
"Gay Liberal Sex Blogger Cursed Upon all Republicans"
"Gay Liberal Sex Blogger Cursed Upon all Republicans"
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Your all gay.
Tah-dah, you're welcome.
And republicans are f*cking creepy. Ever try to have sex with one? Ever had someone look at you wide eyed less than five minutes into the act and ask why you haven't come yet?
Well, don't. Just don't.
Tah-dah, you're welcome.
And republicans are f*cking creepy. Ever try to have sex with one? Ever had someone look at you wide eyed less than five minutes into the act and ask why you haven't come yet?
Well, don't. Just don't.
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I don't wish all Republicans were dead, but I wouldn't miss Seattleblues. Or, for that matter, Mr. Bring It, posting from his parent's basement.
(It's trivially easy to find deathwishes on right-wing blogs; nauseatingly easy in fact. There's a reason why right-wing violence is far more common in this country than left-wing violence, a reason why the number of assassinated public figures on the left greatly outweighs those on the right.)
(It's trivially easy to find deathwishes on right-wing blogs; nauseatingly easy in fact. There's a reason why right-wing violence is far more common in this country than left-wing violence, a reason why the number of assassinated public figures on the left greatly outweighs those on the right.)
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"Bring It" is absolutely right ... liberals are so thin-brained that, in their frustration at dealing with people who disagree with them and routinely beat them with facts and logic, all they can say is "I wish all Republicans were dead." It's sad, really. Like the weird kid at school who desperately wants to be a part of the cool crowd, but because he or she hasn't learned basic social interaction skills (see Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank for grown-up examples, along with out Prez), just can't fit it - and decides the only way out is to bomb the school or bring weapons to destroy all "enemies."
Liberals - your own time is coming ... but don't worry: we conservatives won't come for you in the middle of the night, so sleep easy.
We'll be happy to let you beat yourselves - but the one thing we WON'T allow is you destroying this country in the process.
And, for those of you who might want people like "Bring It" and I dead, well .... come ahead and try. We both know you're not good enough to get the job done.
Liberals - your own time is coming ... but don't worry: we conservatives won't come for you in the middle of the night, so sleep easy.
We'll be happy to let you beat yourselves - but the one thing we WON'T allow is you destroying this country in the process.
And, for those of you who might want people like "Bring It" and I dead, well .... come ahead and try. We both know you're not good enough to get the job done.
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gracious.
it has gotten a little testy overnight.
some things are best not discussed.
but let's anyway...
'bring it' is a feeling many harbor, deep down.
they won't take the first swing
or fire the first shot
but they won't shrink when the time comes.
and perhaps won't feel total regret that it has.
as the civilization slouches
(or skips, depending on your view of the perversion and depravity being embraced,)
to Gommorah;
as judges over rule voters and impose
abortion and
deviant 'marriage'
on communities that overwhelmingly reject them;
as the popular culture and,
increasingly,
public schools
are enlisted to propagandize and package and sell perversion to our children as 'normal';
there is a slow building,
smoldering at first but becoming acid hot,
a burning in the heart and gut of many
that Justice is beyond the grasp of the system anymore.
that our society has gone too far down the path and has passed a tipping point and we can't and shan't right ourselves within the system, anymore.
they ARE winning. we know it. we expect it.
deviancy and immorality practically sell themselves.
even in cultures that vigorously attempt to foster moral behavior there is adultery, out-of-wed child rearing, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography-
those wolves are always circling, seeking entrance,
snatching victims and pulling them away into the darkness.
cultures that embrace the deviancy and immorality,
that throw open the gates at night to the wolves,
they stand no chance.
it is not if, or even when, but how soon they will die-
as they embrace the evil and become wolves themselves and tear themselves apart...
the federal government borrows 40¢ of every dollar it spends.
Liberals expect the government to pay for their healthcare and subsidize their mortgage and pay for their college and provide welfare and food stamps for huge segments of the population and provide them cushy union jobs and....
Liberals think half of the nation is too helpless to pay one penny in federal income taxes but when they talk about 'unfairness' in the tax system they mean that the 10% currently paying 75% of the bills need to dig a little deeper....
the Liberal Socialist Welfare State is bankrupt and collapsing.
In Wisconsin. Minnesota. California. coming soon to a town near you.
when their benefits dry up, their cushy public sector jobs go away, when the teats go dry it is going to get ugly.
you won't have your judges to changer the rules of the game,
to alter the outcome,
to steal a victory for you,
not anymore...
judges and aclu lawyers can only steal for you what someone else has created.
they will do you no good when the crisis arrives.
the urban cesspools that are home to the Liberal infestations will destroy themselves.
the various elements of the Democrap big tent will tear into each other.
welcome to the jungle.
Liberals mock gun owners and food stockpilers and states making provision for their own currency.
mock away.
you'll thank us one day.
we'll be merciful when the day comes.
to those few who escape the urban maelstrom-
welcome to the Brave New World.
we'll be merciful.
one tap.
to the back of the head.
More...
it has gotten a little testy overnight.
some things are best not discussed.
but let's anyway...
'bring it' is a feeling many harbor, deep down.
they won't take the first swing
or fire the first shot
but they won't shrink when the time comes.
and perhaps won't feel total regret that it has.
as the civilization slouches
(or skips, depending on your view of the perversion and depravity being embraced,)
to Gommorah;
as judges over rule voters and impose
abortion and
deviant 'marriage'
on communities that overwhelmingly reject them;
as the popular culture and,
increasingly,
public schools
are enlisted to propagandize and package and sell perversion to our children as 'normal';
there is a slow building,
smoldering at first but becoming acid hot,
a burning in the heart and gut of many
that Justice is beyond the grasp of the system anymore.
that our society has gone too far down the path and has passed a tipping point and we can't and shan't right ourselves within the system, anymore.
they ARE winning. we know it. we expect it.
deviancy and immorality practically sell themselves.
even in cultures that vigorously attempt to foster moral behavior there is adultery, out-of-wed child rearing, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography-
those wolves are always circling, seeking entrance,
snatching victims and pulling them away into the darkness.
cultures that embrace the deviancy and immorality,
that throw open the gates at night to the wolves,
they stand no chance.
it is not if, or even when, but how soon they will die-
as they embrace the evil and become wolves themselves and tear themselves apart...
the federal government borrows 40¢ of every dollar it spends.
Liberals expect the government to pay for their healthcare and subsidize their mortgage and pay for their college and provide welfare and food stamps for huge segments of the population and provide them cushy union jobs and....
Liberals think half of the nation is too helpless to pay one penny in federal income taxes but when they talk about 'unfairness' in the tax system they mean that the 10% currently paying 75% of the bills need to dig a little deeper....
the Liberal Socialist Welfare State is bankrupt and collapsing.
In Wisconsin. Minnesota. California. coming soon to a town near you.
when their benefits dry up, their cushy public sector jobs go away, when the teats go dry it is going to get ugly.
you won't have your judges to changer the rules of the game,
to alter the outcome,
to steal a victory for you,
not anymore...
judges and aclu lawyers can only steal for you what someone else has created.
they will do you no good when the crisis arrives.
the urban cesspools that are home to the Liberal infestations will destroy themselves.
the various elements of the Democrap big tent will tear into each other.
welcome to the jungle.
Liberals mock gun owners and food stockpilers and states making provision for their own currency.
mock away.
you'll thank us one day.
we'll be merciful when the day comes.
to those few who escape the urban maelstrom-
welcome to the Brave New World.
we'll be merciful.
one tap.
to the back of the head.
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You wish I were dead well I don't think too much of you either wish you would come say that to my face
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@202 Let's see... you start out with 'gracious' then end by promising to shoot your fellow citizens execution-style.
Have fun at church this morning.
Have fun at church this morning.
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To all the people saying, "So what? I want them all dead. There. Said it. Deal with it": remember the way everyone on the left freaks every time a Republican makes a similar statement?
What's sickening is the hypocrisy of people like this, Dan included. I hope this does go viral and Dan does get excluded from the national conversation, because what he does best is give relationship/sex advice, as I've said many, many times here. His opinions on economics ("living wage"? read an economics textbook sometime, Dan) and other issues are just brain-dead lefty populist pablum. He's a partisan who unthinkingly accepts every single tenet of the party line and regurgitates it like a machine. In form, he's the same as Sean Hannity, for example: an unthinking, party-line-spouting ideological automaton.
So stick to the relationship advice, Dan. Please? It's what you're good at.
What's sickening is the hypocrisy of people like this, Dan included. I hope this does go viral and Dan does get excluded from the national conversation, because what he does best is give relationship/sex advice, as I've said many, many times here. His opinions on economics ("living wage"? read an economics textbook sometime, Dan) and other issues are just brain-dead lefty populist pablum. He's a partisan who unthinkingly accepts every single tenet of the party line and regurgitates it like a machine. In form, he's the same as Sean Hannity, for example: an unthinking, party-line-spouting ideological automaton.
So stick to the relationship advice, Dan. Please? It's what you're good at.
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Fuck you Dan. You are a complete liberal fool. How about an apology to Michele Bachmann while your at it. How would you feel if some asshole like you wanted to fuck your wife "angrily"? You are such a tool. I would love to punch your face.
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Dan, you're still my hero even though you're not perfect. You're human. A pretty damn good human. Keep up the good fight.
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Why would anyone apologize for wishing Republicans would go to hell? If there is such a place, I've no doubt that's where the selfish hypocrites will end up.
p.s. Republicans are morons. Really, really stupid. Value voters, my ass! Their political leaders are conniving, greedy, amoral dolts and the people who vote for them are gullible mouth-breathers.
p.s. Republicans are morons. Really, really stupid. Value voters, my ass! Their political leaders are conniving, greedy, amoral dolts and the people who vote for them are gullible mouth-breathers.
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You know, I don't recall ever being verbally or physically attacked while being called a Republican.
I have been verbally and physically attacked while being called gay.
I'm really sorry for the intense pressure those that identify as Republicans or friends of Republicans or who LOOK like they might be Republicans live under. Hopefully this latest episode gets Republicans leaders taking a courageous stand and asking for all to be accepted and loved. Because it'd be weird if people spewing hateful and exclusionary rhetoric ever got the same back. And it'd make perfect sense to be indignant about that.
I have been verbally and physically attacked while being called gay.
I'm really sorry for the intense pressure those that identify as Republicans or friends of Republicans or who LOOK like they might be Republicans live under. Hopefully this latest episode gets Republicans leaders taking a courageous stand and asking for all to be accepted and loved. Because it'd be weird if people spewing hateful and exclusionary rhetoric ever got the same back. And it'd make perfect sense to be indignant about that.
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Actually, I kinda think you need to apologize to Bill Maher for stepping all over his laughs after his "government funding of witchcraft" quip. It was a good joke but you leapt in immediately with the farm subsidies stuff. I get it. I do that, too. I get too overly enthusiastic and have trouble holding back.
215
How depressing. It sucks that you made a stupid comment that will feed the Republican persecution delusion- really, really sucks. But, at least that was a proper apology. Others in the public eye should take notes on that.
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@Kim in Portland,
Difficult as it is to admit error, your post makes me realize I have to do so. I can and do disagree with many of your political beliefs. I can and do disagree with some of your theological interpretations. But I have no reason to doubt that you come to those beliefs with a good heart.
When I see and hear Mr. Savage and the people like him who want to destroy everything good about our culture, I get angry. But you rightly point out that I haven't the moral right to express that anger in the way I did. There's a moral right and even duty to work against the goal Mr. Savage has of destroying marriage and family and sexual morality. In my opinion these are among the chief binding elements of any viable culture. But that right includes the duty to treat others as you would be treated.
As you point out, God loves all human beings equally. Mr. Savage is a flawed man, as I am, but Gods love is unconditional and boundless for each and every person. With the massive beam in my own eye, I'm in no position to remove the mote from that of anyone else.
You could have, but gracefully chose not to, quote "Judge not, that you be not judged."
Thanks for the lesson. Have a pleasant remainder of your weekend.
Difficult as it is to admit error, your post makes me realize I have to do so. I can and do disagree with many of your political beliefs. I can and do disagree with some of your theological interpretations. But I have no reason to doubt that you come to those beliefs with a good heart.
When I see and hear Mr. Savage and the people like him who want to destroy everything good about our culture, I get angry. But you rightly point out that I haven't the moral right to express that anger in the way I did. There's a moral right and even duty to work against the goal Mr. Savage has of destroying marriage and family and sexual morality. In my opinion these are among the chief binding elements of any viable culture. But that right includes the duty to treat others as you would be treated.
As you point out, God loves all human beings equally. Mr. Savage is a flawed man, as I am, but Gods love is unconditional and boundless for each and every person. With the massive beam in my own eye, I'm in no position to remove the mote from that of anyone else.
You could have, but gracefully chose not to, quote "Judge not, that you be not judged."
Thanks for the lesson. Have a pleasant remainder of your weekend.
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214
yes.
we pull your strings, you squawk on cue.
you belong to us.
(its really not fair to use The Force on such simpleminded creatures as Democraps....)
yes.
we pull your strings, you squawk on cue.
you belong to us.
(its really not fair to use The Force on such simpleminded creatures as Democraps....)
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Actually Dan, you should apologize for that shirt you wore! Blue gingham on TV? What the hell were you thinking?
xoxo,
Alles
xoxo,
Alles
221
220
yeah
what gives?
was it hot? hence short sleeves...
or cold, hence the Tshirt under?
or hot, so we unbutton the gigham?
dude, quit letting DJ pick out your outfits.....
yeah
what gives?
was it hot? hence short sleeves...
or cold, hence the Tshirt under?
or hot, so we unbutton the gigham?
dude, quit letting DJ pick out your outfits.....
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Interesting display of, ahem, American progressive civility on the part of the posters here.
As a visitor from outside your divided nation, I can see clearly which side keeps it so divided.
Your side of the American political divide has become self-parodying. Made even more humourous by your utter inability to see it.
Cheers.
As a visitor from outside your divided nation, I can see clearly which side keeps it so divided.
Your side of the American political divide has become self-parodying. Made even more humourous by your utter inability to see it.
Cheers.
223
@Seattleblues, Did you enjoy the crow? Could we interest you in desert? The pâtissière is in tonight, the critics have been raven about her magpie.
224
from Tommy Christopher:
"Real Time host Bill Maher thought he had a good soundbite when he compared Congressional Republicans to late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, but was quickly one-upped by “It gets better” LGBT activist Dan Savage, who said “Unfortunately not exactly like him. I wish they were all f**kin’ dead.”
It is Savage’s correct life-or-death view of LGBT issues that motivated the campaign, but also that motivates him to do things which undermine that campaign, and its message. Whether it’s wishing all of the Republicans in Congress were dead, or wiping flu boogers on phones as an undercover volunteer at a Republican campaign headquarters, when that view transforms from anger to hatred that Savage undercuts his ability to be an effective messenger, at least to those not already in the choir."
"Update: Savage apologized later Friday night on his blog. Here’s an excerpt:
blah...blah...blah...
"Blaming it on the bottle is a pretty weak move, but at least he didn’t do that “sorry if you were offended” thing."
"Real Time host Bill Maher thought he had a good soundbite when he compared Congressional Republicans to late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, but was quickly one-upped by “It gets better” LGBT activist Dan Savage, who said “Unfortunately not exactly like him. I wish they were all f**kin’ dead.”
It is Savage’s correct life-or-death view of LGBT issues that motivated the campaign, but also that motivates him to do things which undermine that campaign, and its message. Whether it’s wishing all of the Republicans in Congress were dead, or wiping flu boogers on phones as an undercover volunteer at a Republican campaign headquarters, when that view transforms from anger to hatred that Savage undercuts his ability to be an effective messenger, at least to those not already in the choir."
"Update: Savage apologized later Friday night on his blog. Here’s an excerpt:
blah...blah...blah...
"Blaming it on the bottle is a pretty weak move, but at least he didn’t do that “sorry if you were offended” thing."
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I'm sorry but SB just needs to go away. Even while claiming to apologize "it" insists that "it" has a moral imperative to fight against the morality of Dan Savage. Dan has more morality & decency in his little finger than that "it" SB could muster in an entire lifetime. So go fishing with your son and enjoy it. If the kid is smart he will ignore his "it" of a dad and move on with the understanding that his father is a perfect example of what not to be.
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Danny you sly dog-
you didn't tell us you 'fessed up to wanting to fuck Santorum
(like everyone didn't already know it)
transcript.......
DAN SAVAGE, SEX ADVICE COLUMNIST: They're grifters and scumbags, the Bachmanns.
[Applause]
BILL MAHER, HOST: Grifters and scumbags.
SAVAGE: Yes
MAHER: Not just one or the other.
SAVAGE: They're not charming grifters like in the movie.
MAHER: No, no.
MARC MORON, COMEDIAN: I don't want to be crass but I just hope that Marcus Bachmann takes all that, you know, rage that comes from repression and denial and brings it into the bedroom with her. I hope he f--ks her angrily because, because that's how I would. And I've thought about it. I just…
[Laughter and applause]
MORON: …It's a political statement I'm trying to make.
SAVAGE: Just so we get, just so you don’t get charges of sexism, because only Michele Bachmann was involved, I sometimes think about fucking the shit out of Rick Santorum.
[Laughter and applause]
SAVAGE: Because I think…
MORON: I’m with you.
SAVAGE: …he needs it. So, it’s not, it's not just women we’re talking about fucking. Like, let's bone that Santorum boy.
MORON: Alright. Let’s video it.
SAVAGE: I’m up for whipping up some santorum in Santorum
.
just how many glasses of wine did you have, again?
you didn't tell us you 'fessed up to wanting to fuck Santorum
(like everyone didn't already know it)
transcript.......
DAN SAVAGE, SEX ADVICE COLUMNIST: They're grifters and scumbags, the Bachmanns.
[Applause]
BILL MAHER, HOST: Grifters and scumbags.
SAVAGE: Yes
MAHER: Not just one or the other.
SAVAGE: They're not charming grifters like in the movie.
MAHER: No, no.
MARC MORON, COMEDIAN: I don't want to be crass but I just hope that Marcus Bachmann takes all that, you know, rage that comes from repression and denial and brings it into the bedroom with her. I hope he f--ks her angrily because, because that's how I would. And I've thought about it. I just…
[Laughter and applause]
MORON: …It's a political statement I'm trying to make.
SAVAGE: Just so we get, just so you don’t get charges of sexism, because only Michele Bachmann was involved, I sometimes think about fucking the shit out of Rick Santorum.
[Laughter and applause]
SAVAGE: Because I think…
MORON: I’m with you.
SAVAGE: …he needs it. So, it’s not, it's not just women we’re talking about fucking. Like, let's bone that Santorum boy.
MORON: Alright. Let’s video it.
SAVAGE: I’m up for whipping up some santorum in Santorum
.
just how many glasses of wine did you have, again?
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SB @ 216, are you going to start using the proper pronouns when talking about Dan, or will "Mr. Savage" be de rigueur from this point forward?
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Golden rule people: I want Republicans to die (I DO NOT want to kill them - BIG difference there) because they want so many other, more vulnerable groups to die. I don't think Dan should be apologizing for what I view to be a completely legitimate sentiment, for very good reasons. If I apply the demonstrated ethical framework of most Republican politicians to the politicians themselves, which, by extension, all Republican voters are implicitly supporting by voting for candidates who consistently attempt to enshrine such a perspective on ethics/morality in law, and which, as far as I can tell, goes something like, "If your actions aren't benefiting me directly and/or conforming exactly to my view of proper behavior, then fuck you - you deserve no support of public infrastructure or legal protection or citizenship and can drop dead for all I care," then, um, they should all fuck off and die; if they don't think that's a very good ethical standard, perhaps they should work on changing it, as it's theirs, not mine. Hell, if they're demonstrating how they want to be treated through their actions toward others, then I'm doing a favor by wishing them death, no?
By the way, I'd be just as happy if all Republicans suddenly started voting for sane/non-sociopathic politicians as if they died; I just think the dying soon one is a lot more likely, as dying is inevitable on a long enough time frame anyway.
By the way, I'd be just as happy if all Republicans suddenly started voting for sane/non-sociopathic politicians as if they died; I just think the dying soon one is a lot more likely, as dying is inevitable on a long enough time frame anyway.
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To be very clear-
I didn't and wouldn't apologize for opposing the frankly evil influence of people like Dan Savage on our society. Consider whether a conversation like that detailed @226 could have occured 3 decades or even 5 years ago on television, just as an example. Consider whether the disintegration of family and marriage sexual promiscuity under the guise of 'polyamoury' or 'being monogamish' would have been countananced a decade ago. It's due to the corrosive influence of people like Dan Savage that such things can happen here and now in our great nation.
I didn't aplogize for holding political or moral views you may disagree with.
I apologized for stooping to use the tools of evil against evil. I've written about my appalled disgust with the way politically opposed figures are treated both left and right, but principally by the left. I've written that the vicious campaign against Rick Santorum (thanks Mr. Savage for being so explicit about the real source of your vitriol on Mahars show, btw) or anyone the far left fringe disagrees with is uncivilized and illogical.
And then I engaged in the very same kind of vicious personal attack. For that attack, and only for that attack, I apologize.
@227
Actually, to the extent possible, I'll not grant Mr. Savage the validity of recognition after this post. Evil is only the absence of good, not a thing in and of itself. Mr. Savage is only a reaction, not worth the recognition due the source of the reaction.
I didn't and wouldn't apologize for opposing the frankly evil influence of people like Dan Savage on our society. Consider whether a conversation like that detailed @226 could have occured 3 decades or even 5 years ago on television, just as an example. Consider whether the disintegration of family and marriage sexual promiscuity under the guise of 'polyamoury' or 'being monogamish' would have been countananced a decade ago. It's due to the corrosive influence of people like Dan Savage that such things can happen here and now in our great nation.
I didn't aplogize for holding political or moral views you may disagree with.
I apologized for stooping to use the tools of evil against evil. I've written about my appalled disgust with the way politically opposed figures are treated both left and right, but principally by the left. I've written that the vicious campaign against Rick Santorum (thanks Mr. Savage for being so explicit about the real source of your vitriol on Mahars show, btw) or anyone the far left fringe disagrees with is uncivilized and illogical.
And then I engaged in the very same kind of vicious personal attack. For that attack, and only for that attack, I apologize.
@227
Actually, to the extent possible, I'll not grant Mr. Savage the validity of recognition after this post. Evil is only the absence of good, not a thing in and of itself. Mr. Savage is only a reaction, not worth the recognition due the source of the reaction.
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Dan, you guys need to report the IP address to the authorities, for the poster at 202. It's a pretty telling and hate filled threat, in my opinion.
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As a foreigner, I have to laugh at the repub/dem divide. You guys hate each other but to most of the world - we can't tell the difference. Its like that star trek episode with the half-white half-black guy fighting the half black-half white dude. (let that be your last battlefield)
I'm from canada, the most boring country in the world and our official opposition are ACTUAL socialists and usually there is a big group of separatists wanting the break up the country.
ps I thought it was a great line, so quick after that Arafat comment. perfect timing.
I'm from canada, the most boring country in the world and our official opposition are ACTUAL socialists and usually there is a big group of separatists wanting the break up the country.
ps I thought it was a great line, so quick after that Arafat comment. perfect timing.
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@228
That's simply untrue.
The progressive view, as far as I can understand it, is that we all prosper together or none of us do. No man or woman has the right to enjoy huge wealth if another can't feed their children. You want to see a society of equals enjoying what you see as the common fruits of what our society gives us.
The conservative view is that the government referees the game, but who wins or loses is up to the players. We commonly provide for what can't or shouldn't be individually provided for, like police or national defense or transportation infrastructure, through the various governing agencies. We shouldn't provide for the specific welfare of specific citizens. And we do this so that in 2 or 4 or 10 generations a vibrant and strong electorate is still doing business as the United States of America.
I can disagree with your view, or you with mine. But at least try to be honest about what your opponents view is.
That's simply untrue.
The progressive view, as far as I can understand it, is that we all prosper together or none of us do. No man or woman has the right to enjoy huge wealth if another can't feed their children. You want to see a society of equals enjoying what you see as the common fruits of what our society gives us.
The conservative view is that the government referees the game, but who wins or loses is up to the players. We commonly provide for what can't or shouldn't be individually provided for, like police or national defense or transportation infrastructure, through the various governing agencies. We shouldn't provide for the specific welfare of specific citizens. And we do this so that in 2 or 4 or 10 generations a vibrant and strong electorate is still doing business as the United States of America.
I can disagree with your view, or you with mine. But at least try to be honest about what your opponents view is.
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Why should you apologize, Dan? Any true liberal should feel that way. I'm tired of pretending I love America or Americans, I'm tired of pretending I support the troops, I'm tired of pretending 9/11 wasn't an incredible act of tremendous heroism. I'm tired of apologizing for being a liberal, and I'm not going to do it anymore.
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"Why should you apologize, Dan? Any true liberal should feel that way. I'm tired of pretending I love America or Americans, I'm tired of pretending I support the troops, I'm tired of pretending 9/11 wasn't an incredible act of tremendous heroism. I'm tired of apologizing for being a liberal, and I'm not going to do it anymore." -- Davis Samuels.
This. Would everyone who agrees with Davis Samuels say so? It'd be interesting to hear how many do.
This. Would everyone who agrees with Davis Samuels say so? It'd be interesting to hear how many do.
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@219 Yeah, that'll never happen outside of your glue-huffing delusions.
Did you have fun in church today? Who did Jebus tell you to kill this time?
Did you have fun in church today? Who did Jebus tell you to kill this time?
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Dan, you're right to have apologized, but I think it's hard not to wish the Republicans would all die these days. They seem, from my perspective anyway, to want a version of America that just doesn't resemble anywhere I'd want to live, and they're willing to endanger the country in order to get it. Their policy positions seem wrong, but also deeply immoral, insincere, and (in some cases) nakedly corrupt. Part of the problem is that Republicans are much better at expressing their hatred and contempt than liberals, but mostly the problem is that their default position is aggressive opposition to social progress and functional government, and that opposition prevents the nuanced and complicated work it takes to create those things, so that, if you don't see it their way, they just appear to be an infestation rather than a political group. Like I said, hard not to wish them dead, but don't. It's impolite.
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Hi Dan---
Yes, I was disappointed with that remark as I just got into It Gets Better, and hence you, in the last ~month. I've watched the video of you and Terry's visit at Google RE IGB through in entirety twice---when I think about IGB, watch you describe it, and see/feel you break with emotion for the bullied kids and for the lives saved thru IGB so far, that to me is the real heart-felt, amazing, life-transforming type of positive influence Dan Savage has and CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE moving forward. So apology accepted of course, but, in penance, consider watching yourself on that Google visit video again (on IGB site) because in the future, I'm holding you (sidenote to Terry: please also do this) to that "IGB standard"!!
heart heart heart Dan+Terry's IGB Project!!!
---Richard D, Redwood City, CA
Yes, I was disappointed with that remark as I just got into It Gets Better, and hence you, in the last ~month. I've watched the video of you and Terry's visit at Google RE IGB through in entirety twice---when I think about IGB, watch you describe it, and see/feel you break with emotion for the bullied kids and for the lives saved thru IGB so far, that to me is the real heart-felt, amazing, life-transforming type of positive influence Dan Savage has and CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE moving forward. So apology accepted of course, but, in penance, consider watching yourself on that Google visit video again (on IGB site) because in the future, I'm holding you (sidenote to Terry: please also do this) to that "IGB standard"!!
heart heart heart Dan+Terry's IGB Project!!!
---Richard D, Redwood City, CA
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@238, I found the term on urbandictionary. Let me guess, you insist on being called a "progressive" rather than a liberal, right? Most mealy-mouthed non-committal half-libs do.
Let me spell out to you exactly how I feel about this. No, I don't love America. We are the evil empire now, and probably always have been. Our so-called "democracy" is a joke based on media-driven popularity contests more than the welfare of the people.
Speaking of the American people, I have no particular love for them either. Most are obese, ignorant, flag-waving, gun-f**king sheep who wouldn't know what's in their best interest if you punched them in the face with it. Those who aren't, for the most part, agree with me even if they wouldn't say so in public.
As for the troops... I mean seriously? How could any moral-minded person support them in clear conscience? When you watch Star Wars do you hope the stormtroopers make it out okay? Explain the difference between American stormtroopers and Imperial stormtroopers and I'll grant you the point. (Granted, ours appear to have better aim.)
Now to the big one... 9/11. We've been aiding, abetting, and perpetrating the oppression and slaughter of Arabs for decades, under every type of administration including the current one. They don't have the means to strike back against purely military targets, we've made sure of that. They fight back in the only way they know how, and we call that an act of evil? Are you serious? The courage it must have taken those men, all of whom had families and lives of their own back home, to sacrifice themselves for such a cause... it's astonishing. And as for the dead, the vast majority of them were either Americans or Israelis. That sounds like far more precise targeting than the US is known for.
@236, thank you for your support. It's good to know there are still some of us out there who are willing to speak truth to the weak.
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Let me spell out to you exactly how I feel about this. No, I don't love America. We are the evil empire now, and probably always have been. Our so-called "democracy" is a joke based on media-driven popularity contests more than the welfare of the people.
Speaking of the American people, I have no particular love for them either. Most are obese, ignorant, flag-waving, gun-f**king sheep who wouldn't know what's in their best interest if you punched them in the face with it. Those who aren't, for the most part, agree with me even if they wouldn't say so in public.
As for the troops... I mean seriously? How could any moral-minded person support them in clear conscience? When you watch Star Wars do you hope the stormtroopers make it out okay? Explain the difference between American stormtroopers and Imperial stormtroopers and I'll grant you the point. (Granted, ours appear to have better aim.)
Now to the big one... 9/11. We've been aiding, abetting, and perpetrating the oppression and slaughter of Arabs for decades, under every type of administration including the current one. They don't have the means to strike back against purely military targets, we've made sure of that. They fight back in the only way they know how, and we call that an act of evil? Are you serious? The courage it must have taken those men, all of whom had families and lives of their own back home, to sacrifice themselves for such a cause... it's astonishing. And as for the dead, the vast majority of them were either Americans or Israelis. That sounds like far more precise targeting than the US is known for.
@236, thank you for your support. It's good to know there are still some of us out there who are willing to speak truth to the weak.
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Seattle Blues Wrote:
[i]The progressive view, as far as I can understand it, is that we all prosper together or none of us do. No man or woman has the right to enjoy huge wealth if another can't feed their children. You want to see a society of equals enjoying what you see as the common fruits of what our society gives us.
The conservative view is that the government referees the game, but who wins or loses is up to the players. We commonly provide for what can't or shouldn't be individually provided for, like police or national defense or transportation infrastructure, through the various governing agencies. We shouldn't provide for the specific welfare of specific citizens. And we do this so that in 2 or 4 or 10 generations a vibrant and strong electorate is still doing business as the United States of America.[/i]
Not a bad summary, though wrong in a couple of respects.
First, the Republican/Conservative/Libertarian axis has no problem with social safety nets; some would even countenance entitlement programs, though ones that are at root affordable. This notion, promulgated by many on here, that those of a conservative libertarian bent are heartless cutthroat bastards, is simply a caricature -- and you guys know it. (Of course, we all know "progressives" fart sunshine, right?)
Where a true libertarian, like me, and other conservatives, have a problem, is when the guy with the 7 figure net worth gets Medicare benefits. Or when Barack Obama's favorite company, GE, manages to completely skirt their tax obligation.
Second, the phrase "we all prosper together or none of us do" is so superficially binary and banal as to achieve new levels of unhelpfulness in the political debates. No, the way a society prospes if by -- tada!--creating wealth. And the way you create wealth is to build businesses. There really is no other way. Government can't do that for you.
Third, and finally, I would add one thing to the definition of progressives offered up. And it;s this. Progressives are at root utopians. They honestly believe that if everybody thought like them, acted like them, we would no longer have the horribly unfair disparities among citizenry.
Well, progressives are dreamers. Whenever the progressive vision has had a shot at running the show, things have gone horribly wrong. We will always have the poor. Some will always fail. But in a free enterprise republic, where government is held in check, things will, believe it or not GET better.
And they have -- just think of all the advances in technology, medicine, in any area of human endeavor. In the most progressive arc of social development is when the so-called "progressive" approach is minimized.
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[i]The progressive view, as far as I can understand it, is that we all prosper together or none of us do. No man or woman has the right to enjoy huge wealth if another can't feed their children. You want to see a society of equals enjoying what you see as the common fruits of what our society gives us.
The conservative view is that the government referees the game, but who wins or loses is up to the players. We commonly provide for what can't or shouldn't be individually provided for, like police or national defense or transportation infrastructure, through the various governing agencies. We shouldn't provide for the specific welfare of specific citizens. And we do this so that in 2 or 4 or 10 generations a vibrant and strong electorate is still doing business as the United States of America.[/i]
Not a bad summary, though wrong in a couple of respects.
First, the Republican/Conservative/Libertarian axis has no problem with social safety nets; some would even countenance entitlement programs, though ones that are at root affordable. This notion, promulgated by many on here, that those of a conservative libertarian bent are heartless cutthroat bastards, is simply a caricature -- and you guys know it. (Of course, we all know "progressives" fart sunshine, right?)
Where a true libertarian, like me, and other conservatives, have a problem, is when the guy with the 7 figure net worth gets Medicare benefits. Or when Barack Obama's favorite company, GE, manages to completely skirt their tax obligation.
Second, the phrase "we all prosper together or none of us do" is so superficially binary and banal as to achieve new levels of unhelpfulness in the political debates. No, the way a society prospes if by -- tada!--creating wealth. And the way you create wealth is to build businesses. There really is no other way. Government can't do that for you.
Third, and finally, I would add one thing to the definition of progressives offered up. And it;s this. Progressives are at root utopians. They honestly believe that if everybody thought like them, acted like them, we would no longer have the horribly unfair disparities among citizenry.
Well, progressives are dreamers. Whenever the progressive vision has had a shot at running the show, things have gone horribly wrong. We will always have the poor. Some will always fail. But in a free enterprise republic, where government is held in check, things will, believe it or not GET better.
And they have -- just think of all the advances in technology, medicine, in any area of human endeavor. In the most progressive arc of social development is when the so-called "progressive" approach is minimized.
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Conservatives are the ones shooting doctors dead, or stringing up the gays to fence posts, or hanging negroes who don't know their place from trees.
Also not all liberals are broke/poor and some of us know how to shoot. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves... but they do that daily about many other things, why should they let facts get in their way?
Also not all liberals are broke/poor and some of us know how to shoot. Those who think otherwise are deluding themselves... but they do that daily about many other things, why should they let facts get in their way?
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How many homosexuals get strung up by Conservatives, again?
Could you cite one?
On the other hand, how many homosexuals will die this year from AIDS some good Liberal gave them? 20,000.
How many were infected by someone who knew they were infected but refused to disclose and take precautions? Half...
We'll stack your 10-20,000 homosexuals murdered by Liberals against your imaginary victim of Conservatives any day.....
How many homosexuals get strung up by Conservatives, again?
Could you cite one?
On the other hand, how many homosexuals will die this year from AIDS some good Liberal gave them? 20,000.
How many were infected by someone who knew they were infected but refused to disclose and take precautions? Half...
We'll stack your 10-20,000 homosexuals murdered by Liberals against your imaginary victim of Conservatives any day.....
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How many abortionists are killed each year? maybe one?
Compared to 900,000 babies slaughtered each year?
You can't see the Truth for all the innocent blood on your hands.
How many abortionists are killed each year? maybe one?
Compared to 900,000 babies slaughtered each year?
You can't see the Truth for all the innocent blood on your hands.
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@231
OMG Danny the police have traced the IP address--
Its Coming From Your Own House!!
GET OUT NOW!!!
AAAAGGGHH.....
OMG Danny the police have traced the IP address--
Its Coming From Your Own House!!
GET OUT NOW!!!
AAAAGGGHH.....
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@245 You're such a cliche it hurts. You think liberals are utopian failures, and you propose minimizing the government's role in business and society even though you know, in your juvenile libertarian heart, that without government intervention a) the US economy would have collapsed three years ago, b) women and minorities would not possess basic human rights in this country, c) all business would be controlled by organized crime, because that's what happens when government institutions are weak. Libertarians preach freedom but don't understand what the tyranny of the majority really means. They don't get that the power to use violence - economic, physical, or other - will exist regardless of whether that power is accountable to a democratic system of government or to a group of stockholders. They don't understand the concept of a "race to the bottom", in which, for example, the company who cares the least about the environment makes the greatest profit and therefore wins. That's why, you dork, there are regulations. That's why there's a government. The government does for the people what they can't do for themselves. That's what being a liberal is.
A libertarian is a person who doesn't understand what government is for and mistakes their ignorance for enlightenment.
A conservative is a person who DOES understand what government is for, works out that they might have to sacrifice a little in order for it to do its job properly, and decides they'd rather just go after their own self interest. In other words, a conservative is by definition a selfish douche.
Now, someone earlier said some nonsense about believing the government's role was to serve as a referee, and I admit, they might actually believe that, but that isn't what actual conservative lawmakers say or do. Their platform consists of social authoritarianism (no gay rights, no abortion, no mosques, everyone should be a straight christian male if possible) and economic class warfare (tax cuts and subsidies for corporations, no support for programs designed to help people overcome economic distress, virtually no willingness to engage in large-scale social/economic investment). Conservatives as they are take an active role in trying to a create a country by and for a tiny group of wealthy people. And they do this through deliberate misinformation campaigns (that's what Fox News and Right Wing Radio are) because no reasonably informed person making less than $250k a year would ever vote for them.
To the guy who said that being a liberal meant hating America...screw you, buddy. Seriously. You're either a conservative troll or a moron. Liberals love America. America is a liberal country founded by liberals and protected by liberals against reactionaries, greed-mongers, and hucksters for its entire history. Everything good America is famous for was achieved by liberals.
Conservatives, you are the Darth Vader of history. Libertarians, you are the Jar Jar Binks. Screw off, both of you.
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A libertarian is a person who doesn't understand what government is for and mistakes their ignorance for enlightenment.
A conservative is a person who DOES understand what government is for, works out that they might have to sacrifice a little in order for it to do its job properly, and decides they'd rather just go after their own self interest. In other words, a conservative is by definition a selfish douche.
Now, someone earlier said some nonsense about believing the government's role was to serve as a referee, and I admit, they might actually believe that, but that isn't what actual conservative lawmakers say or do. Their platform consists of social authoritarianism (no gay rights, no abortion, no mosques, everyone should be a straight christian male if possible) and economic class warfare (tax cuts and subsidies for corporations, no support for programs designed to help people overcome economic distress, virtually no willingness to engage in large-scale social/economic investment). Conservatives as they are take an active role in trying to a create a country by and for a tiny group of wealthy people. And they do this through deliberate misinformation campaigns (that's what Fox News and Right Wing Radio are) because no reasonably informed person making less than $250k a year would ever vote for them.
To the guy who said that being a liberal meant hating America...screw you, buddy. Seriously. You're either a conservative troll or a moron. Liberals love America. America is a liberal country founded by liberals and protected by liberals against reactionaries, greed-mongers, and hucksters for its entire history. Everything good America is famous for was achieved by liberals.
Conservatives, you are the Darth Vader of history. Libertarians, you are the Jar Jar Binks. Screw off, both of you.
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Wishing death on someone is futile since such an event will take place, guaranteed, so why not do the opposite & wish your enemies eternal life? Envision every thing, every place and every one once familiar and known to that person withering away and out of their perma-life, in montage form.
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...in the 1880s - 1930s, Democrats were the conservative party and Republicans were the liberals. Fetuses aren't the same as babies. Giving a person AIDS by mistake is not the same as murdering them deliberately. Jewish people do not ACTUALLY have horns. Black people aren't dirty. Vietnam did not invade America. Saddam Hussein wasn't a member of Al Queida. This is all pretty much common knowledge, but conservatives either don't know it because they're stupid (that's most of you) or don't care because they're evil (that's the leadership). It is hard to object to Dan wishing you people dead.
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By all means Danny, contact the authorities.
While you're at it you can turn yourself in....
By all means Danny, contact the authorities.
While you're at it you can turn yourself in....
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And that Dan didn't apologize just because he was under pressure is admirable. I'll consider the remark as a counterweight to Maher's terrible decision of having Ann Coulter on the panel last week
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@242, I am a proud Socialist, Feminist, and believer in non-aggression, do you really think I call myself a "progressive". Progressive is a dodge, not a political identity or ideology. You misjudge me. My beliefs regarding our country's position in the world and my estimation of its people, though far from identical, is far more aligned with yours than with anything coming out of the mouths of "progressive" leaders today. That said, wishing death on our political enemies, as detestable as they are, is anathema.
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Davis Samuels, my son in in Afghanistan right now and even though people can disagree on the policy wisdom of being in Afghanistan, and I don't wish death on you or anyone, I will say.
Go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself.
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Davis Samuels, my son in in Afghanistan right now and even though people can disagree on the policy wisdom of being in Afghanistan, and I don't wish death on you or anyone (except maybe the Taliban creeps who string up any homosexual in about 2 seconds), I will say this:
Go fuck yourself.
Go fuck yourself.
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Dan..I read the transcript of your appearance on Maher's 'show'...and even when I put your mother's name in place of Rep. Bachmann's, I didn't find it funny. You are no comedian, you are just a pissed off gay guy that thinks the Libs are going to make you happy. while the Reps give you fodder. Guess what? They're not. Your vomit is still vomit, gay or straight
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Uh, he is apologizing because he likes being asked to be on TV. It's preemptive damage control. It's not exactly noble.
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Jumping fucking Jesus, what a flame war. Righties are such fucking pussies. Time for a little perspective:
Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"
Dick Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case."
Redstate blogger Erick Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"
Michael Savage discussed multiculturalism and predicted: "This is not going to go on in this country much longer. We're going to have a revolution in this country if this keeps up. These people are pushing the wrong people around." Savage further said that "the rage has reached a boil. If they keep pushing us around, and if we keep having these schmucks running for office catering to the multicultural people who are destroying the culture of this country ... guaranteed the people -- the white male in particular."
John Perry (NewsMax):
Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz’s initials written next to it. He later said it was a “mistake.”
Gabrielle Giffords’ opponent, Republican Jesse Kelly, had a gun-themed fund-raiser in June in which supporters could come and shoot an M-16 rifle with Kelly. It was promoted thusly: Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”
Pamela Gorman, a conservative in a crowded Republican primary field in Arizona’s third district, blasted out press releases with titles like: “Armed and Fiscally Responsible.”
Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh’s seat:
“We can get new faces in. Whether it’s my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don’t see new faces, I’m cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I’m serious about that, and I bet you are, too.
Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV) :
“People are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out,”
Rep. Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”
More violent rhetoric by Glenn Beck over the years…
>>>”I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. … No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?”….’Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.”
>>>”The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.”
>>>”Finally — well, he wasn’t the president. He was the chancellor, Hitler, decided that it was the only empathetic thing to do, is to put this child down and put him out of his suffering. It was the beginning of the T4, which led to genocide everywhere. It was the beginning of it. Empathy leads you to very bad decisions many times.”
—Glenn Beck, on President Obama’s statement that he would consider ”empathy” in choosing a Supreme Court nominee, Glenn Beck show, May 26, 2009
Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus--living fossils--so we we'll never forget what these people stood for."
Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Tim McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building"
Michael Savage: "I say round liberals up and hang em' high. When I hear someone's in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-25."
G . Gorden Liddy (broadcasting advice on how to kill law enforcement officers): "...head-shots, they are wearing body armor, head shots... or shoot for the groin."
And on, and on, and on...
Republican = terrorist.
Isn't there a war on terror going on?
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Palin: "Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!"
Dick Morris: "Those crazies in Montana who say, 'We're going to kill ATF agents because the U.N.'s going to take over' -- well, they're beginning to have a case."
Redstate blogger Erick Erickson: "At what point do the people ... march down to their state legislator's house, pull him outside, and beat him to a bloody pulp?"
Michael Savage discussed multiculturalism and predicted: "This is not going to go on in this country much longer. We're going to have a revolution in this country if this keeps up. These people are pushing the wrong people around." Savage further said that "the rage has reached a boil. If they keep pushing us around, and if we keep having these schmucks running for office catering to the multicultural people who are destroying the culture of this country ... guaranteed the people -- the white male in particular."
John Perry (NewsMax):
Will the day come when patriotic general and flag officers sit down with the president, or with those who control him, and work out the national equivalent of a "family intervention," with some form of limited, shared responsibility?
Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. Skilled, military-trained, nation-builders would replace accountability-challenged, radical-left commissars. Having bonded with his twin teleprompters, the president would be detailed for ceremonial speech-making.
Military intervention is what Obama's exponentially accelerating agenda for "fundamental change" toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama's radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Robert Lowry, a Republican challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schulz (D-FL), stopped by a local Republican event in October. The event was at a gun range, and Lowry shot at a human-shaped target that had Wasserman Schulz’s initials written next to it. He later said it was a “mistake.”
Gabrielle Giffords’ opponent, Republican Jesse Kelly, had a gun-themed fund-raiser in June in which supporters could come and shoot an M-16 rifle with Kelly. It was promoted thusly: Get on Target for Victory in November. Help remove Gabrielle Giffords from office. Shoot a fully automatic M16 with Jesse Kelly.”
Pamela Gorman, a conservative in a crowded Republican primary field in Arizona’s third district, blasted out press releases with titles like: “Armed and Fiscally Responsible.”
Richard Behney, a tea partier from Indiana running for former Sen. Evan Bayh’s seat:
“We can get new faces in. Whether it’s my face or not, I pray to God that I see new faces. And if we don’t see new faces, I’m cleaning my guns and getting ready for the big show. And I’m serious about that, and I bet you are, too.
Senate candidate Sharron Angle (R-NV) :
“People are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying, my goodness, what can we do to turn this country around? I’ll tell you, the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out,”
Rep. Gregg Harper (R-MS) told Politico that he hunts Democrats. Asked about the Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus, he said, “We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it does seem like a waste of good ammunition.”
More violent rhetoric by Glenn Beck over the years…
>>>”I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I’m wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. … No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?”….’Yeah, I’d kill Michael Moore,’ and then I’d see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I’d realize, ‘Oh, you wouldn’t kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn’t choke him to death.’ And you know, well, I’m not sure.”
>>>”The only [Katrina victims] we’re seeing on television are the scumbags.”
>>>”Finally — well, he wasn’t the president. He was the chancellor, Hitler, decided that it was the only empathetic thing to do, is to put this child down and put him out of his suffering. It was the beginning of the T4, which led to genocide everywhere. It was the beginning of it. Empathy leads you to very bad decisions many times.”
—Glenn Beck, on President Obama’s statement that he would consider ”empathy” in choosing a Supreme Court nominee, Glenn Beck show, May 26, 2009
Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus--living fossils--so we we'll never forget what these people stood for."
Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Tim McVeigh is that he did not go to the New York Times building"
Michael Savage: "I say round liberals up and hang em' high. When I hear someone's in the civil rights business, I oil up my AR-25."
G . Gorden Liddy (broadcasting advice on how to kill law enforcement officers): "...head-shots, they are wearing body armor, head shots... or shoot for the groin."
And on, and on, and on...
Republican = terrorist.
Isn't there a war on terror going on?
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I read your column I appreciate your "It gets better" campaign, I don't care what your sexual orientation is but your comment, tossed off, is frightening. The tone of most R's responding here including the gay R's is understandable, but the violent rhetoric and hate mongering by so many who fancy themselves morally superior simply due to being liberals, is appalling.
The fervor you've whipped up, the violent yearnings of respondents here, that's on you Dan. You own that. You can shirk your responsibility by insisting you've made things right by apologizing, or you can get to work undoing what you have wrought.
The fervor you've whipped up, the violent yearnings of respondents here, that's on you Dan. You own that. You can shirk your responsibility by insisting you've made things right by apologizing, or you can get to work undoing what you have wrought.
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Wow...an anonymous comment by a guy named "sideline observer" arguing that because a prominent gay man is sometimes overcome by rage at people who are blithely trying to cast him out of society and strip him of basic rights, that hatred is on him. That's absurd, and so is your position. It's because of Dan that I'm posting it here, but trust me, the hatred Republicans engender among educated, empathetic, non-racist, non-crazy people who love their country is ALL on them.
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Love Pol Pot's post...and a great appropriate name too.
Gist of Pol Pot's post: "The crazies on the right use violent rhetoric (assuming that his quotes are true and if so, some of them are easily understood as non-violent or highly ambiguous, as oppose to what Dan said)...so therefore we can too. Or you can't complain about it."
Because for Pol Pot, and his ilk, hypocrisy is a worse sin than having nor morals at all.
Gist of Pol Pot's post: "The crazies on the right use violent rhetoric (assuming that his quotes are true and if so, some of them are easily understood as non-violent or highly ambiguous, as oppose to what Dan said)...so therefore we can too. Or you can't complain about it."
Because for Pol Pot, and his ilk, hypocrisy is a worse sin than having nor morals at all.
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The gist of Karl K's post: We on the Right are hypocrites, but we're still better than you, so stop picking on us.
Karl: you're not victims. You ARE hypocrites, and you ARE bullies, and people DO hate you, but you're not victims. Now shut up.
Karl: you're not victims. You ARE hypocrites, and you ARE bullies, and people DO hate you, but you're not victims. Now shut up.
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What the hell is wrong with this group?? You "tolerant" liberals wishing death on people you don't even know? Republicans (like myself) are a lot more tolerant than this hate-spewing group.
As for this Savage guy (I don't know who this is, I followed links and accidentally wandered over here), thanks for the apology, but you wished me dead. I'm a Republican who has no problem with homosexuals, yet you and a lot of your followers seem to want me to die. I hold no hate for any of you, I'm a mother of two children, and you are all hoping for my death. You're this hateful, yet you call Republicans the terrorists? What a violent, disgusting group.
As for this Savage guy (I don't know who this is, I followed links and accidentally wandered over here), thanks for the apology, but you wished me dead. I'm a Republican who has no problem with homosexuals, yet you and a lot of your followers seem to want me to die. I hold no hate for any of you, I'm a mother of two children, and you are all hoping for my death. You're this hateful, yet you call Republicans the terrorists? What a violent, disgusting group.
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@269 - Nice try, asshole. 9 of the 16 examples I noted are from elected Republicans, Republican candidates for office or former Republican Government officials. The others are major media figures - Erick Erickson is on CNN, Beck is a leading spokesperson for the right who was given a platform for years on FOX, Limbaugh is revered by the right, Coulter can get on TV by picking up the phone any day of the week. Of the 16, only Savage could be truly represented as a 'fringe' personality among the right wing intelligentsia. A similar list could not be assembled with Democratic officials making like statements. It would be difficult to create a list of left leaning media figures making like statements. You are an ignorant tool, but thanks for playing.
Asshole.
Asshole.
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@272 - yeah, all those "Liberal Hunting Season" bumper stickers I've been staring at in traffic for like, ten to twelve years are just a figment of my imagination. And holding the nation hostage over a made up 'debt ceiling crisis' isn't an act of economic terrorism. Republicans don't have a hateful person among them. Whatever.
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@Pol Pot - Thank you. The selective memory and manufactured outrage by this group would be funny if it weren't so dangerously sad.
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Gotta say, Pol Pot, naming yourself after a genocidal communist is not helping your case.
That said, you're right of course. The Republican hate machine is as real as it gets. Virtually ever Right Wing radio host has some version of the speech where Democrats and liberals are called "Domestic Enemies of the Constitution", essentially suggesting that the president order the arrest of all of us. And the constant bullshit about Sharia law and Marxism taking over the country, which comes spewing forth from a fair number of their major presidential candidates, is blatant fearmongering.
Of course, the difference in all this is that the Republican leadership actually IS threatening the security of the US, most immediately by threatening to throw the economy into a tailspin because of some tantrum about the deficit, but also in a more general way by trying to reduce the size of government so much that basic state services are threatened and by reducing regulation so much that public health is threatened.
They're also totally un-self-aware, as you may have already noticed. What a bunch of crybaby jackasses.
That said, you're right of course. The Republican hate machine is as real as it gets. Virtually ever Right Wing radio host has some version of the speech where Democrats and liberals are called "Domestic Enemies of the Constitution", essentially suggesting that the president order the arrest of all of us. And the constant bullshit about Sharia law and Marxism taking over the country, which comes spewing forth from a fair number of their major presidential candidates, is blatant fearmongering.
Of course, the difference in all this is that the Republican leadership actually IS threatening the security of the US, most immediately by threatening to throw the economy into a tailspin because of some tantrum about the deficit, but also in a more general way by trying to reduce the size of government so much that basic state services are threatened and by reducing regulation so much that public health is threatened.
They're also totally un-self-aware, as you may have already noticed. What a bunch of crybaby jackasses.
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Here's the 30 seconds of context. Apologise all you want, Dan, the Republicans are greedy slobbering tools:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhjC0yha…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbhjC0yha…
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Oh look, Seattleblues is back. He must be tired of his wife and decided to come here and abuse strangers instead.
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Get apology. Now you should either resign or be fired. That is what would happen if a person on the right were to say the same things about Democrats. I wonder how fast a conservative columnist would last if they stated they wished all Gays dead? How long before you would call for that person to resign?
Then your apology is a bit weak too. It is no different than a bigot saying they have black friends. Your statement and your apology both are bigoted comments and you should resign because of your shown bigotry. I am sure there are thousands of people who are able to fill your position at the paper without losing any readers in the long run.
Then your apology is a bit weak too. It is no different than a bigot saying they have black friends. Your statement and your apology both are bigoted comments and you should resign because of your shown bigotry. I am sure there are thousands of people who are able to fill your position at the paper without losing any readers in the long run.
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"The truth"...nobody but other Republicans buys that you're an oppressed minority, nobody but other Republicans buys that Republicans aren't bigots (but they wish they could use that word convincingly...oh how it burns for there to be rhetorical power that Republicans can't have), and nobody - not even Republicans, not even you - believes that Republicans don't say hateful shit all the time without getting fired.
Hate is an ugly, petty emotion, and it's better not to hate anyone, but man, Republicans do all they can to earn my hatred. But speaking of that, it's pretty fascinating how a Republican can on the one hand say that hatred of Homosexuals is justified because it's a choice (which it isn't) but hatred of Republicans is like racism even though political views are pretty clearly not genetic. Ugh. There is just nothing at all to like about you people.
Hate is an ugly, petty emotion, and it's better not to hate anyone, but man, Republicans do all they can to earn my hatred. But speaking of that, it's pretty fascinating how a Republican can on the one hand say that hatred of Homosexuals is justified because it's a choice (which it isn't) but hatred of Republicans is like racism even though political views are pretty clearly not genetic. Ugh. There is just nothing at all to like about you people.
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Can someone who is registered PLEASE tell Seattleblues that, in addition to needing a hobby s/he needs a good grammar handbook? "its'" isn't a word.
It's = it + is
its = pronoun
its' = grammatical error
Surely, if you want to hold to antediluvian morality, you'd have similar grammatical standards?
It's = it + is
its = pronoun
its' = grammatical error
Surely, if you want to hold to antediluvian morality, you'd have similar grammatical standards?
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We all say stupid things. Like Michelle Bachmann saying the nation's founding fathers fought tirelessly against slavery. The difference is that Dan immediately apologized for saying something that was very, very wrong. And Michelle, given the opportunity to clear up her mistake on national television, tried to justify it by saying John Quincy Adams was a founding father. I will always admire someone who takes responsibility and apologizes for his errors over someone who lies to cover up a mistake.
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Yeah, the ideas that Dan wouldn't be calling for heads to roll if someone said the same thing is bullshit.
Hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy.
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@287 Republicans have been saying the same, and worse, for years. Why the fuck shouldn't we end up feeling the same. At least we're justified...
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Tell you what, Danny-
we'll give you the same pass you gave Clint McCance.
Remember him?
The Illiterate Bigot who mused on his facebook about homosexuals commiting suicide?
Remember?
The Illiterate Asshole for whom there was a Facebook page calling for his firing?
The page you linked to?
Remember?..."Give 'em Hell!"
Is it coming back?
Can you provide a link to the page calling for Dan Savage " Bigoted Asshole Extraordinaire" to be fired?
Clint resigned. Classy.
Man up, Danny.
You pulled a Clint. See it through to the conclusion.
All will be forgiven.
we'll give you the same pass you gave Clint McCance.
Remember him?
The Illiterate Bigot who mused on his facebook about homosexuals commiting suicide?
Remember?
The Illiterate Asshole for whom there was a Facebook page calling for his firing?
The page you linked to?
Remember?..."Give 'em Hell!"
Is it coming back?
Can you provide a link to the page calling for Dan Savage " Bigoted Asshole Extraordinaire" to be fired?
Clint resigned. Classy.
Man up, Danny.
You pulled a Clint. See it through to the conclusion.
All will be forgiven.
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I wouldn't sweat it, I watched it last night. You came off as joking and funny. And you apologized on top of it, something those on the right never do.
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"santorum in Santorum" made me turn to the "Not-quite-a Wife" and say "that was unusually frank even for Dan. Is he high?"
I naturally assume everyone on Bill's show is either drunk or high, though. You sure can tell when Bill has had one toke too many before camera time.
I naturally assume everyone on Bill's show is either drunk or high, though. You sure can tell when Bill has had one toke too many before camera time.
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Asshole @ 289...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/27…
This Clint McCants?
THESE "musings"????
THIS is equivalent to muttering by Savage under his breath.
What a prick you are...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/27…
Clint McCance, Arkansas School Board Member, Wants 'Fags' To Commit Suicide
The Huffington Post | Nick Wing First Posted: 10-27-10 11:38 AM | Updated: 10-28-10 05:29 PM
An Arkansas School Board member recently launched an inflammatory anti-gay tirade on Facebook that ran the gamut from basic bigoted slurs, to encouraging "fags" to commit suicide and announcing that he'd disown his own children if they were gay.
In response to a massively popular Facebook initiative to show support for gay youths in the wake of a recent wave of suicides, Clint McCance, a board member in the Midland school district in northern Arkansas, wrote this screed, provided to the Advocate:
"Seriously they want me to wear purple because five queers killed themselves. The only way im wearin it for them is if they all commit suicide. I cant believe the people of this world have gotten this stupid. We are honoring the fact that they sinned and killed thereselves because of their sin. REALLY PEOPLE."
This Clint McCants?
THESE "musings"????
THIS is equivalent to muttering by Savage under his breath.
What a prick you are...
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@259/260: I'm sorry your son decided to become a tool of American oppression. I made a similar decision when I was young and foolish, so I truly do sympathize. However, your son made an adult decision of his own free will. As such, he is fully responsible for what he is participating in over there. We are not the good guys. Nor is your son. I'm sure it doesn't fill you with joy to hear that, but cold hard truth rarely does.
If your son is fortunate enough to make it home, I hope his experiences will inspire him to instill more wisdom in his children than was instilled in him by his parents, or in me by mine.
If your son is fortunate enough to make it home, I hope his experiences will inspire him to instill more wisdom in his children than was instilled in him by his parents, or in me by mine.
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Dan,
You are a good man to apologize for a hastily made comment, but given the right wing sludge that is being thrown your way on the comment section, I really don't think you have anything to worry about. No matter what you say, Rethugs are always going to hate you. Just like they hate other liberals/progressives/Democrats.
But you are better than them, so good on you for trying to be civil and offering an apology in good faith. Your fans support you and understand that we all have made mistakes that we regret.
All the best.
You are a good man to apologize for a hastily made comment, but given the right wing sludge that is being thrown your way on the comment section, I really don't think you have anything to worry about. No matter what you say, Rethugs are always going to hate you. Just like they hate other liberals/progressives/Democrats.
But you are better than them, so good on you for trying to be civil and offering an apology in good faith. Your fans support you and understand that we all have made mistakes that we regret.
All the best.
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Dan - You totally rocked! I watch Bill Maher weekly, but I've never seen you LIVE....Your energy, confidence, intelligence, and good looks captivated me. No apology needed. It was NOT the alcohol....you were in your element and on a roll.....Keep it up!
I've heard your name or seen it referenced many times over the past several years, but I've never seen, nor heard you speak until Maher's Real Time. You're now my "new best friend." Cheers! RALANZ
I've heard your name or seen it referenced many times over the past several years, but I've never seen, nor heard you speak until Maher's Real Time. You're now my "new best friend." Cheers! RALANZ
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Danny didn't apologize for saying he wanted to fuck the shit out of Rick Santorum-
so is there a threeway in the works?
Or does Terri not share Danny's taste for GOP ass?
the fanboys want to know!
so is there a threeway in the works?
Or does Terri not share Danny's taste for GOP ass?
the fanboys want to know!
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This is a preemptive strike because Dan, like Sarah Palin, has an easier time playing the victim. He said something horrible and knew he'd get shit about it, so he apologized so he doesn't have to face any backlash. He still hates Republicans (well, except the fake-y Republicans Republicans Hate type like Lincoln Chafee, or his dad) and still has no problem trying to associate Rick Santorum with shit and cum, but you know, he doesn't wish they were all dead. Blame it on the alcohol. I'm sure he'd be just as understanding of any conservative pundit or Republican who said something similar.
Yeah right.
Yeah right.
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I finally got around to watching the show. My favorite part was when Dan's body visibly came alive when the S-word was mentioned. Santorum. Such a softball, and Bill knew it.
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not all republicans are bigots. some, such as myself, could care less what color you are, what your sexual preference is, what your religion is, if you choose to smoke pot etc. I consider myself a social liberal, but an economic conservative. I believe in individual liberty, both when it comes to choices and economic opportunity.
If that concept is too difficult for most of you vile posters to wrap your heads around, that's really not my problem. Your posts speak volumes about your supposed tolerance of opposing viewpoints. I love it when people make sweeping generalizations while decrying sweeping generalizations.
Congratulations on raising the level of civil discourse.
Dan, at times i find your columns funny, but lately, mostly tiresome. Drop the victimization bit will you? if you really want to highlight bigotry, try addressing pakistan, SAudi Arabia etc...i think they have a lock on true intolerant behavior, especially when it comes to people sporting your sexual orientation.
cheers
If that concept is too difficult for most of you vile posters to wrap your heads around, that's really not my problem. Your posts speak volumes about your supposed tolerance of opposing viewpoints. I love it when people make sweeping generalizations while decrying sweeping generalizations.
Congratulations on raising the level of civil discourse.
Dan, at times i find your columns funny, but lately, mostly tiresome. Drop the victimization bit will you? if you really want to highlight bigotry, try addressing pakistan, SAudi Arabia etc...i think they have a lock on true intolerant behavior, especially when it comes to people sporting your sexual orientation.
cheers
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@300 Of course you don't hate gay people. That's why you vote for people who do, right? Whatever helps you sleep at night...
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I must say, I find it hilarious to read the sentiments expressed in the vast majority of these posts and compare it the the overriding belief of the posters that the Republicans are the narrow minded hateful ones,
and as a side note to the posters who keep pointing out that Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans, I guess that is why they did so well in the last round of the elections
and as a side note to the posters who keep pointing out that Democrats vastly outnumber Republicans, I guess that is why they did so well in the last round of the elections
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After reading these posts, I'm pretty certain conservatives have discovered the art of passive-aggressive writing but aren't aware of what they have. It's so beautifully blatant.
If they knew about it, they would disguise it better right?
If they knew about it, they would disguise it better right?
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Dan Savage is a blowheart and the sooner people stop reading his column the sooner he will go away; Dan your 15 minutes of fame are over.
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@301. What I really hate are snarky, cynical quips that are without substance. You may think you are clever, but most find that attitude pathetic.
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HAH! Sean Hannity brilliantly put you in your place tonight. You are the picture of liberal hypocrisy, Dan. If a conservative said what you did about a liberal woman, you and yours would want his head on a pike.
The stench of the double standard is overwhelming.
The stench of the double standard is overwhelming.
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@305 And what I really hate is hypocrisy: the fine art of saying one thing and then doing the other. Now sing Iron, Lion, Zion or piss off
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@307 Your perspective is difficult to understand, but then again, your head is squarely inserted up your own ass. congratulations on being a raging prick.
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@307 I might add, you are one whiny wanker, but then again, one can't help one's genetic make up can they? I suppose its hard growing up and not knowing who your father actually was...
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is this still going on? ugh.
okay, fine, Dan, it's time for you to resign. You need to resign from being gay. Resignation is the only appropriate response to a gaffe like this.
okay, fine, Dan, it's time for you to resign. You need to resign from being gay. Resignation is the only appropriate response to a gaffe like this.
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Savage apologizes and the thread blows up. Article about something real and the thread dies out before it starts. So sad.
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@309 - You realize this comment completely blows away that entire "socially liberal" thing you claimed earlier, right?
Four comments and your true colors show. Thanks for playing.
Four comments and your true colors show. Thanks for playing.
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@312 - And your mother smells of elderberries.
Seriously, I love how the trolls in this thread are like "All this hate by liberals, watch me clutch my pearls!" while selectively ignoring comments like this one.
Seriously, I love how the trolls in this thread are like "All this hate by liberals, watch me clutch my pearls!" while selectively ignoring comments like this one.
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savage and hate mongers seem to have no identity except with the group they are affiliated with. most people are tolerant of other people having different ideological views and give the freedom and respect they deserve.it seems some people's whole identity is caught up in what political party they follow and can not understand what freedom of thought is and that our fellow voters of different political views are our neigbours and friends. this hatred towards others is tearing down the real bonds we have in society and is nothing but a spirit of hate and death.
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@314 - i see. Tetchy Brit can tell me to piss off. I call him a bastard and i'm the one not being a social liberal?
yoiur true colours are showing as well, its your simplemindedness
yoiur true colours are showing as well, its your simplemindedness
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@315 ignore? really.....seems like you are a typical progressive hypocrite..seeing how you took the time to comment..and it still doesnt change the fact Savage is a PEDOHILE
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I wish Americans would spend this much energy (like the war in this thread) on being informed voters.
That'd be great.
That'd be great.
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@319 we are informed ..which is what led to the historical election on Nov 2 2010 when over 700 commie progressives nationwide were sent to the Dem created unemployment line...if you liked that you will enjoy Nov 2012 even more.
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Savage, enjoy your short lived fun while you can. You will be spending an eternity in hell if you don't repent and turn to the God you are running from.
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