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Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Obama: No Guarantees Social Security Checks Will Go Out If the Debt-Ceiling Deal Doesn't Go Through

Posted by on Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:30 AM

What will the teabaggers do now? I would love it if they had to march on Washington D.C. to get their checks.

In an interview with CBS Evening News, President Obama says he can't guarantee Social Security checks will go out Aug. 3rd if a debt-ceiling deal is not reached by the Aug. 2nd deadline.

Threatening old peoples' Social Security is ice-cold, but Obama doesn't really have any other choice; just this morning, John Boehner said the debt ceiling was President Obama's problem. (Presumably, Boehner is too busy creating jobs to worry himself with the debt limit.)

 

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gloomy gus 1
I kinda don't blame him for trying to spur politically active seniors to yell at their congresspeople, help him out a bit. The downside of the concentration of executive power under Bush and Obama is that more and more, voters in every jurisdiction expect the executive to take care of everything, like some sort of royal.
Posted by gloomy gus on July 12, 2011 at 11:51 AM
balderdash 2
Boehner is only acting in the grand tradition of other public employees such as, say, DMV clerks. "Say what? You don't have both forms and three forms of ID? No. That's not my job. You need to go stand in that other line." Wait another two hours, rinse and repeat.

Shirking is the American way!
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on July 12, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Original Andrew 3
Pleez, this debt ceiling farce is just ridiculous. If the sadistic psychopaths that control our eCONomy and political system thought for one second that Orange Julius and Cantwhore were threats to their system of payments and dollar-denominated assets--of which they own plenty--they'd have those two assassinated instantly and replaced with puppets that will approve. It's amazing even at this point that no one is publicly stating the obvious.
Posted by Original Andrew on July 12, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Vince 4
I love how they say taxing the stupendously, obscenely wealthy, who, by-the-way, are wealthier than ever, would kill jobs. Oh, do tell. They are not being taxed now so where are the fucking jobs? WHERE ARE THE JOBS YOU REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES????
Posted by Vince on July 12, 2011 at 11:57 AM
Will in Seattle 5
What Vince said.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on July 12, 2011 at 11:58 AM
Delishuss 6
I wonder what kind of 2011 version of credit default swaps Wall Street has going on now to funnel money into their pockets if the US defaults on its debt. I don't doubt they've been betting against America.
Posted by Delishuss on July 12, 2011 at 12:00 PM
7
Yea! Obama has recognized that the US needn't default, even if the debt ceiling is not raised. Not paying the bondholders would be default, and is prohibited by the consitiution. Not paying the seniors is just reducing a not-constitutionally-mandated welfare program. (It is also very good politics, along the lines of the Washington Monument Syndrome.)
Posted by David Wright on July 12, 2011 at 12:09 PM
8
imagine all of the options for negotiation that obama would have if he was really a progressive & not a wolf in sheep's clothing.... don't raise the debt ceiling & i'll bring all the troops home... don't raise the debt ceiling & i'll suspend all activities of the dea... don't raise the debt ceiling & i'll cancel all highway projects.... etc. etc. sigh... if only.
Posted by philosophy school dropout on July 12, 2011 at 12:24 PM
9
Am I a bad person to hope that a teabagger protest meets the same fate as the Bonus Army?
Posted by keshmeshi on July 12, 2011 at 12:33 PM
10
A quotation from Pres Obama. 2006.:

"The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign --
is a sign of leadership failure.
Leadership means the buck stops here.
Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today
onto the backs of our children
and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better.
I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit. "
Posted by Your President on July 12, 2011 at 12:34 PM
onion 11
heh. teabaggers marching on washington to demand their entitlements. heh.
Posted by onion on July 12, 2011 at 1:01 PM
Will in Seattle 12
The march would have to be scooter and wheelchair accessible.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on July 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM
13
Could someone please tell me what Obama's asshole tastes like? i'm assuming the idiots commenting here would know. my guess is cocaine and pineapple.

Guess what you fuckers... You got fooled into defending a fucking piece of shit president who is PROPOSING TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY. And you fuckers can only blame the Republicans.

You guys are sick.
Posted by Zepol on July 12, 2011 at 2:04 PM
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Obama: WORST PRESIDENT EVER

TWO YEARS after the economic "recovery" is supposed to have begun by the official calculations, the latest report on jobs from the U.S. government shows the Great Recession is alive and well for anyone who has the misfortune of looking for work.

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the U.S. economy added just 18,000 jobs in June, and employment figures for May were revised down to just 25,000 new jobs. That's a huge drop from February through April, when politicians and commentators celebrated announcements of more than 200,000 new jobs each month.

In addition, approximately a quarter of a million people gave up looking for work in June, joining the ranks of the millions of "discouraged workers" who are no longer even counted among the unemployed.

A significant portion of the decline in the overall unemployment rate in the past 18 months is the result not of new jobs being created, but of unemployed workers giving up on finding work. But job creation in June was so bad that even with so many "discouraged workers" dropping out of the statistics, the unemployment rate still jumped to 9.2 percent.

Unemployment is always a feature of capitalism, even in boom times, but it has reached nightmarish proportions in the U.S. and across the world in the wake of the most recent economic crisis.

In an issue brief that puts the June unemployment numbers in perspective [1], Heidi Shierholz of the Economic Policy Institute pointed out that while there are currently 6.9 million fewer jobs than at the start of the Great Recession, "we should have added around 4.1 million jobs to keep pace with population growth. This means that the current gap in the labor market is roughly 11 million jobs. To close that gap within three years, we would have to add around 400,000 jobs every single month."

Even worse, the number of underemployed--those who work part time but would like a full-time job--has barely declined during the "recovery." As Shierholz writes, "In the 23 months since the end of the recession, the total number of un- or underemployed workers has decreased from 26.1 million to 24.6 million, a decline of only 1.5 million."

The picture looks grim from the statistics--but the individual stories behind the numbers are even more wrenching. As Chelsea, from Rochester, N.Y., described her situation:

"I have an associate's degree, and when I lost my union grocery job last summer, it was four months before I found anything. And that anything was Wal-Mart. I lost my health insurance, I had health issues that began to spiral out of control, and I faced an imminent eviction. Now I can only work 25 hours a week or I lose my Medicaid, without which I can't work or live."

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

UNEMPLOYMENT FOLLOWING the recent recession is much longer term than in any recovery of the recent past, with over 45 percent of the unemployed having been without a job for over six months.

And after being hardest hit in the depths of the crisis, Blacks and Latinos haven't shared equally in what little job growth there has been. Unemployment for Latinos stands at 11.9 percent, a very slight decline from 12.2 percent two years ago. And during the "recovery," unemployment for African Americans increased from 14.9 percent to 16.2 percent, according to Shierholz--compared with a jobless rate of 8 percent for white workers.

Budget cuts at all levels of government have exacerbated the jobs crisis, especially for Black workers and women, who are disproportionately represented in a public sector that has shed more than 400,000 jobs since the recession.

These public-sector losses have erased nearly half of the growth in private-sector jobs, according to Shierholz--and the austerity agenda coming from both Democrats and Republicans promises more job losses to come in the public sector, as well as cuts to wages and benefits.

According to BLS figures, job losses and long-term unemployment in the wake of the Great Recession represent a deep hole unlike any other recession since the Second World War. And there doesn't seem to be any end in sight.

The bad employment news comes as the college class of 2011--which the Wall Street Journal dubbed "the most indebted ever" [2] due to their record average student loan debt of $22,900--joins millions of workers in the search for jobs that just aren't there.

According to Time magazine, with estimates of real unemployment among those under 25 topping 50 percent, it's expected that as many as 85 percent of new college graduates will move back home with their parents [3].

For example, Owen, who is finishing up his college degree in New York City, has been searching in vain for a job for over six weeks:

I've been sending out resumes daily, talking to everyone I know. I've turned up nothing. I've gotten two interviews, but no callbacks. It's depressing. If I don't find a job in the next six weeks, I'll have to move back in with my parents in Maine, where the job market is even worse.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

OF COURSE, the misery isn't being shared by America's ruling class. In fact, Corporate America is profiting as a result. U.S. corporations raked in record profits of $1.68 trillion in the last quarter of 2010, even more than the boom years before the Great Recession, helped in no small part by the jobs crisis.

These profits were achieved in large part because companies were able to return production to pre-crisis levels, or close to it, while employing millions fewer workers--in other words, making their employees work harder to produce more for the same or less pay and benefits.

Karl Marx's words in Capital never seemed more relevant: "The over-work of the employed part of the working class swells the ranks of its reserve [of unemployed], while, conversely, the greater pressure that the reserve by its competition exerts on the employed workers forces them to submit to overwork and subjects them to the dictates of capital."

Meanwhile, capitalists are hoarding the immense wealth from this increased level of exploitation, rather than investing it in expanding production and creating jobs. As the Canadian Marxist David McNally wrote [4]:

The big reason for the failure of jobs to return is that while profits have recovered, business investment has not. In one major economy after another, corporations are hoarding cash rather than investing it...Put simply, the rise in profits is not translating into new capital accumulation on any meaningful scale. Instead, corporations in the U.S. and elsewhere are simply hoarding cash, holding onto it in larger amounts than at any time in the last 60 years. By the beginning of 2011, in fact, non-financial firms in the U.S. had at least $2 trillion in cash and checking deposits."

With Republicans and Democrats bickering over how much to cut, not whether to cut at all, it's clear that there won't be any alternative to austerity and the corporate offensive coming from above. The challenge will have to develop out of the self-organization and solidarity of the working class--employed and unemployed.

In fact, though it is generating records profits, the jobs crisis is also at an international wave of discontent and protest that is finding expression from the Arab revolutions that began in Tunisia and Egypt, to the huge labor protests of Wisconsin, to the strikes and mass mobilizations in European countries like Greece and Spain.

In all these struggles, un- and underemployment, especially for young workers, are an important grievance.

Historically, the unemployed have played a vital role in class struggle, even in the midst of a crisis, when employers attempt to pit workers against each other. For example, organizing among the unemployed was essential to winning the Auto-Lite strike in Toledo, Ohio, in 1934, the first of three major labor battles that year which opened the way for the mass union struggles to come.

As Subterranean Fire author Sharon Smith wrote [5], the strike at Auto-Lite:

began on very weak footing. The 4,000 strikers represented less than half of the total workforce at Auto-Lite. Moreover, fully one-third of all Toledo workers were unemployed at the time. Under these conditions, the strike could easily have been doomed, since unemployed workers might have been expected to rush to take the strikers' jobs in desperation.

Instead, the unemployed played a key role in winning this strike, thanks to an ingenious strategy advocated by the radical pacifist A.J. Muste, an organizer from the American Workers Party. Although courts had prohibited solidarity picketing, Muste's Lucas County Unemployed League pledged to bring large numbers of unemployed workers to the picket line...

When the National Guard was sent in to help the police, its troops fired on the picketers, killing one and injuring many. But the picketers kept fighting back in a standoff that lasted six days--until the company finally agreed to close down production at the plant and troops were removed on May 31...The company finally surrendered on June 4, agreeing to recognize the union and to rehire all of the strikers to their old jobs--in a complete victory.

Despite the mass human suffering reflected in the jobs reports from May and June, there is also hope to be found in the struggles of today and yesterday against austerity and for the right to jobs with dignity and security.
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Posted by Zepol on July 12, 2011 at 2:05 PM
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@8 is exactly right. Obama could choose any bargaining chip he wants. And instead of choosing something that will really piss off the conservatives like cuts in the military or the drug war, he chooses one that will negatively affect the most lives and that Republicans don't really care about. And the loyalists here continue to cheer this horrible, horrible man.
Posted by LJM on July 12, 2011 at 2:17 PM
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How does it feel to be nothing but a poker chip on the table while these assholes try to bluff this out?
Posted by Westside forever on July 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM
Sir Vic 17
I thought the real shock in his statement was that "70 million checks" go out each month. By my sketchy math, that means about 20% of Americans get a monthly stipend of some sort from the federal government. That might be a bigger problem than an amorphous figure like the "national debt".
Posted by Sir Vic on July 12, 2011 at 2:39 PM
COMTE 18
Um, delaying sending out SS checks for a few days isn't CUTTING SOCIAL SECURITY, morons - it's delaying making Social Security payments for a few days.

Obama knows that even hinting at such a delay will be enough to send tens, if not hundreds of thousand of seniors, (many of whom consistently vote GOP against their own economic self-interests) into a tizzy of letter writing and phone calling their Congressional representatives, which in turn will pressure them to come to some sort of accommodation on the debt-ceiling issue.

The GOP has been trying to play "chicken" using a potential shut-down of the federal government as their hot-rod; Obama has simply put everyone in this country over the age 65 in the driver's seat of HIS hot-rod and challenged the GOP to go ahead and run them off the road.

Let's see who swerves first...
Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on July 12, 2011 at 2:45 PM
Max Solomon 19
@14: i still believe that the worst president ever is the one who handed obama this giant flaming bag of shit. how exactly is he supposed to turn around an economy based on cheap fuel and ponzi schemes?

really, i want to know - how should obama have fixed this economy? more tax cuts besides the 2 rounds he's already tried (the stimulus and the bush tax cut extension)?
Posted by Max Solomon on July 12, 2011 at 3:26 PM
Lord Basil 20
@14

He is the Worst President Ever, and the First Illegal President.

Barack Hussein Obama does not have two US Citizen Parents. Therefore, he is not eligible to be POTUS.

Natural Born Citizen For Dummies

Because he is an illegal President, then ever law he has signed (esp. Health Care), ever Supreme Court Justice he has appointed (Marxist lesbian racists like Kagan and Sotomayor), and every military action he has ordered (Lybia) is invalid.

All we need is a hard traditionalist with the guts to introduce Articles of Impeachment.
Posted by Lord Basil http://lordbasil.blogspot.com/ on July 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM
balderdash 21
@14, you lost every ounce of credibility when you said "WORST PRESIDENT EVER," both on account of the caps lock, and because you clearly don't know a goddamn thing about US history, politics, or economics.

Just pull up the wikis for U.S. Grant and H. Hoover. Do that bare minimum of homework. Get some fucking perspective.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on July 12, 2011 at 4:05 PM
dirac 22
@21 Obama is probably not the worst, but he certainly is a Hooverite corporatist.

Instead of focusing on demand, he's buying into this fake debt debate. I'll repeat that: the debt debate is fake. A good way to cut Social Security though--say there's an emergency and cut social programs. Also, keep in mind it's Obama who proposed the idea of these social security cuts, eligibility increases, etc. not Republicans. When he starts negotiating to the right of the opposition, it's probably time to consider him for what he is.

How many times does Obama have to praise Reagan and take every action that serves the Republican frame before people stop the loyalism?
Posted by dirac on July 12, 2011 at 4:17 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 23
Obama is certainly not "The Worst." But he sure as shit isn't "The Best" either. Not by a long shot.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on July 12, 2011 at 4:21 PM
venomlash 24
@20: Zajebiste gówno, chuju.
Posted by venomlash on July 13, 2011 at 1:50 PM

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