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Life / Media / LGBTQITSLFA Meet Your New Favorite Person: Kevin Rogers of Memphis, Tennessee
Posted by David Schmader on Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM
He's the guy whose eyewitness account posted to Facebook kicked off last week's "Is Tracy Morgan a violently homophobic idiot?" controversy. Below is his appearance on CNN, which is just amazing. He's so eloquent and direct (if all comedy audience members were so thoughtful, the world would be a much different and better place) and don't miss the end.
Thank you, Towleroad.
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just a tip to everyone, Tracey Morgan is some actor with the TV show 30 Rock, making this whole thing that much crazier!
I'm out for the day. Later.
I don't like hearing anti-gay rants, I've heard too many. For those of you dig it, have fun.
I'm out for the day. Later.
I don't like hearing anti-gay rants, I've heard too many. For those of you dig it, have fun.
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What a great guy. He handled this appearance so well - and what a great occasion for a basic-cable news show to just shut up and give a person room to be careful and sincere with what he is saying. The gravitas and rich detail blew Morgan's lame PR statement right out of the water. A great respite from the shouty-news-bite trend.
Thanks for posting this (and with the very, very helpful hint), David.
Thanks for posting this (and with the very, very helpful hint), David.
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Tracy Morgan isn't exactly known for his oppression of homosexuals, so I'm a bit surprised that this story has become such a thing to talk about. Obviously Morgan's act went a bit far that night but why do we need a national dialogue about an audience member's hurt feelings? Tracy Morgan said some stupid shit, somebody got hurt by it, he apologized. Bing, bang, boom. But no, let's talk about it. Super. Intense. Language. I love how the reporter lays the out the "viscious" detail of Morgan's stand up act recited by memory from the audience member with hurt feelings.
Tracy Morgan is not oppressing homosexuals by saying stupid shit on stage. If the guy's career is over for this then that's just fine. Stop watching stuff with him in it. We don't need to have a national dialogue about it. Just stop watching his stuff.
Let's talk about some real oppression. Let's talk about the places where men and women are executed for being homosexual. Let's talk about the place where we live that continues to restrict basic human rights for homosexuals. Let's talk about the Catholic Church blaming their rampant child rape problems on homosexuals.
Tracy Morgan, who's entire act is based on him being a psychopath that doesn't think before he speaks, joking about stabling his son for being gay is news?
This is why we cant have nice things.
Tracy Morgan is not oppressing homosexuals by saying stupid shit on stage. If the guy's career is over for this then that's just fine. Stop watching stuff with him in it. We don't need to have a national dialogue about it. Just stop watching his stuff.
Let's talk about some real oppression. Let's talk about the places where men and women are executed for being homosexual. Let's talk about the place where we live that continues to restrict basic human rights for homosexuals. Let's talk about the Catholic Church blaming their rampant child rape problems on homosexuals.
Tracy Morgan, who's entire act is based on him being a psychopath that doesn't think before he speaks, joking about stabling his son for being gay is news?
This is why we cant have nice things.
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He gets to say it, but if I were to joke about lynching in public, I'd lose my job -- for good reason. Michael Richards career was destroyed by his lynching jokes, I hope Tracy Morgan is also shunned for his "joke" that encourages bigots in the idea that violence is sanctioned against gays.
But I have a gay brother and sister, each with a partner of over 30 years -- yet neither couple can so much as hold hands in public, without the real fear of violence from bigots.
(And one of their states denies marriage to that couple for no other reason than bigotry.)
And what Tracy Morgan said enables and encourages the bigots who go on to worse sins.
But I have a gay brother and sister, each with a partner of over 30 years -- yet neither couple can so much as hold hands in public, without the real fear of violence from bigots.
(And one of their states denies marriage to that couple for no other reason than bigotry.)
And what Tracy Morgan said enables and encourages the bigots who go on to worse sins.
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@5 Totes. Pop culture figures who reaffirm regressive views about homosexuality from their public platform don't have any relationship to the way the larger culture treats the LGBT population. We should all just shut up - no need to talk about it.
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I don't agree that NBC has any obligation to punish Morgan in this case. He's not on a 30 Rock comedy tour - he's representing only himself. Now, NBC should certainly condemn the statements, but I think it is inappropriate of GLAAD to call for anything more. That's all thought-police-y and holding institutions responsible for the behavior of individuals, which can only be bad in the long run.
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30 Rock producer Tina Fey and NBC have both issued apologies for Tracy Morgan's homophobic standup routine in Nashville. NBC's entertainment chief called Morgan's act "reckless" and said the network has "made it clear to him that this kind of thing won't be tolerated." Tina Fey agreed that her costar's anti-gay routine reflected poorly on NBC and 30 Rock, adding that the rant was particularly "disturbing" given that violence in the gay and lesbian community continues to be a real threat. She said her costar is "not a hateful man" and "generally much too sleepy and self-centered to ever hurt another person." She also hoped his apology would be accepted by his gay and lesbian coworkers at 30 Rock, "without whom Tracy would not have lines to say, clothes to wear... or a printed-out paycheck from accounting to put in his pocket." - via DB
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@7 woot!
@9, I just saw that Tina Fey statement in full on dlisted. Michael K's comment was classic:
@9, I just saw that Tina Fey statement in full on dlisted. Michael K's comment was classic:
Tina Fey should know that one of my shittiest ex-boyfriends slept 12 hours a day and always sat on the side of the table that faced the giant mirror in the dining room at Mimi's Cafe, so sleepy selfish dick bags can be hateful too. But what I'm getting from Tina's statement is that on the next season of 30 Rock, Tracy Jordan will become color blind which will lead him to only wearing rainbow colored clothing. Then Tracy Jordan's son Tracy Jr. will come out to him at around the same time he develops a Tourettes-like tick that forces him to stab his daddy in the knee with a rusty shank repeatedly throughout the day. Either that or she's saying that bitch better get right or he'll be lucky if he gets a job as Mel Gibson's understudy at the Westboro Baptist Dinner Theater.http://www.dlisted.com/2011/06/10/tina-f…
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So Tracy Morgan is burned at the stake in front of the huddled masses and from this we have...a career that's over? Are gays going to end up with marriage rights after everyone grows bored with this story? Nope. Are they going to be any freer from oppression if Tracy Morgan has to go on a talk show and apologize? Nope.
That's great that Michael Richard's career was ended by a long, drawn out national dialogue. Michael Richards no longer has a career in Hollywood. Absolutely nothing has changed when it comes to racial equality as a result of that incident. The "dreaded NWORD" is said no less than it was before. Black folk are still being tossed into prison at insane rates for the profits on the corporations who run the facilities and look at everyone patting themselves on the back for dragging Michael Richards into the street and shaming him from trying out for another audition.
Winning skirmishes of political correctness will not win wars against social inequality. Liberals in this country waste way too much time talking about stupid bullshit like this while the other side is fucking over everyone that's supposedly being "protected" by this censorship so goddamn hard.
The public shaming of Tracy Morgan doesn't push our country towards equality. The public shaming of Republican idiots who create laws to oppress people might work though.
That's great that Michael Richard's career was ended by a long, drawn out national dialogue. Michael Richards no longer has a career in Hollywood. Absolutely nothing has changed when it comes to racial equality as a result of that incident. The "dreaded NWORD" is said no less than it was before. Black folk are still being tossed into prison at insane rates for the profits on the corporations who run the facilities and look at everyone patting themselves on the back for dragging Michael Richards into the street and shaming him from trying out for another audition.
Winning skirmishes of political correctness will not win wars against social inequality. Liberals in this country waste way too much time talking about stupid bullshit like this while the other side is fucking over everyone that's supposedly being "protected" by this censorship so goddamn hard.
The public shaming of Tracy Morgan doesn't push our country towards equality. The public shaming of Republican idiots who create laws to oppress people might work though.
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@6 Wrong. Michael Richards had no career when he went on a lynching rampage. He was biding time on the stand-up circuit.
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@12 Wrong. You don't know the Hollywood industry, in which I spent 20 years.
It may have seemed that Richards only had a "standup career," during the blank years of his resume on IMDB, but you can bet that like any other celebrity actor he had lucrative development deals in TV and film in the years even after his disasterous solo show.
He would still be raking it in, even if you didn't see him on screen, and still have both the possibility of one of those projects reaching fruition, and the intellectual work of developing projects for himself.
Now Richards not only has no standup career, but you can count on it that's he so radioactive no studio would waste handing him a cent to develop anything.
It's telling that Richards has had only had two jobs on the record since, both Seinfeld projects.
Far down the list of voice actors for the Bee movie (probably recorded before his rant, as well.) And several brief appearances on Larry David's Curb Your Enthusiasm during a Jerry Seinfeld arc.
Richards only has one friend who will hire him in minor parts, and that's indicative of what's happening behind the scenes as well.
Although it's looking increasingly likely that Tracy Morgan won't suffer the same shunning, because after all he only advocated for stabbing a gay son.
And gay people don't count.
It may have seemed that Richards only had a "standup career," during the blank years of his resume on IMDB, but you can bet that like any other celebrity actor he had lucrative development deals in TV and film in the years even after his disasterous solo show.
He would still be raking it in, even if you didn't see him on screen, and still have both the possibility of one of those projects reaching fruition, and the intellectual work of developing projects for himself.
Now Richards not only has no standup career, but you can count on it that's he so radioactive no studio would waste handing him a cent to develop anything.
It's telling that Richards has had only had two jobs on the record since, both Seinfeld projects.
Far down the list of voice actors for the Bee movie (probably recorded before his rant, as well.) And several brief appearances on Larry David's Curb Your Enthusiasm during a Jerry Seinfeld arc.
Richards only has one friend who will hire him in minor parts, and that's indicative of what's happening behind the scenes as well.
Although it's looking increasingly likely that Tracy Morgan won't suffer the same shunning, because after all he only advocated for stabbing a gay son.
And gay people don't count.
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His mom didn't already know he was gay? Has she ever met him? I knew he was gay after about 15 seconds. Not that I care at all, but.....come on, mom. Pay attention.
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Instead of listing any kind of actual change towards racial equality, all you have is a report of what happened to Michael Richards' career. Paragraph after paragraph of the details of this asshole's resume. I'm sure this will be detailed with such accuracy in the history books under "great victories for civil rights".
Meaningless facts about nothing masquerading as a victory for social justice while the oppression of black people continues at an astounding rate.
Shunning Michael Richards accomplished nothing more than what you just said it accomplished. Well, that and wasting a whole lot of time talking about him being an idiot rather than talking about how fucked things actually are.
Meaningless facts about nothing masquerading as a victory for social justice while the oppression of black people continues at an astounding rate.
Shunning Michael Richards accomplished nothing more than what you just said it accomplished. Well, that and wasting a whole lot of time talking about him being an idiot rather than talking about how fucked things actually are.
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@14 You sound like you worked in Hollyweird for 20 years. Creating imaginary careers just so you can imagine destroying them? Please.
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Apparently in SS' world, you can't talk about minor injustices unless all the world's major injustices have been solved. Huh.
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tina fey's statement is flawless as per usual
I hope for his sake that Tracy’s apology will be accepted as sincere by his gay and lesbian coworkers at 30 Rock, without whom Tracy would not have lines to say, clothes to wear, sets to stand on, scene partners to act with, or a printed-out paycheck from accounting to put in his pocket. ...
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yeah, @14 up in Seattle, yet the Hollywood expert.
I've worked in Development, lived in Los Angeles for 26 years and also followed developments in comedy for a large part of that time.
Should Michael Richards have been shunned? Dunno, but I'll bet it had a cooling effect on actor bigots giving verbal encouragement to racists (at until they get Mel Gibson-equivalent power, that is.)
Should Tracy Morgan be shunned professionally? Probably, but I doubt that he will be.
Hollywood is still run, primarily, by white heterosexual men, and they have yet care sufficiently about gay bashing.
I've worked in Development, lived in Los Angeles for 26 years and also followed developments in comedy for a large part of that time.
Should Michael Richards have been shunned? Dunno, but I'll bet it had a cooling effect on actor bigots giving verbal encouragement to racists (at until they get Mel Gibson-equivalent power, that is.)
Should Tracy Morgan be shunned professionally? Probably, but I doubt that he will be.
Hollywood is still run, primarily, by white heterosexual men, and they have yet care sufficiently about gay bashing.
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The ugliest part was the fact that the majority of the audience was apparently "hoot'n & holler'n" at Morgan's homophobic rant.
Way to go, Nashville.
Way to go, Nashville.
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I think people are forgetting that Traci had already been shunned. Tina gave him a chance and put him on the show.
He was thought to be completely nuts a while back, off the rails, not funny just bizaare. He got off drugs and alcohol and got better. I beleive he's drinking again.
his response to the backlash was "If gays can take a dick up the ass, they can take a joke".
Fuck this guy
He was thought to be completely nuts a while back, off the rails, not funny just bizaare. He got off drugs and alcohol and got better. I beleive he's drinking again.
his response to the backlash was "If gays can take a dick up the ass, they can take a joke".
Fuck this guy
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And for those dismissive of the implications of hate speech: I'm 61 years old, and have studied history: so I have the long view.
Hate speech inevitably leads to a body count -- always has, and always will.
Frankly, I don't want to be on the side cheering on the body count.
The cheerleaders reveal themselves for who they are, and they're bloodsoaked.
Hate speech inevitably leads to a body count -- always has, and always will.
Frankly, I don't want to be on the side cheering on the body count.
The cheerleaders reveal themselves for who they are, and they're bloodsoaked.
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The first time I was in Tennessee was in 1960 when my father worked there for the summer, and that was also the last time I'll ever set foot in that state.
Separate Colored and White bathrooms and drinking fountains, shocked me to the core as a 10 year old white girl.
But as that little girl, it was there I got to experience for myself the visceral fear of the blood lust of bigotry after my mother took us to a local Catholic mass, and complimented one of the parishoners on the pretty little church.
"We like it," the parishsioner drawled. "And so far, we've been able to keep it. The last three were burned down."
First time in my life I had to fear for my life: at ten to learn that there were bigots who would burn me and my family for attending that pretty little church.
Not an unrealistic fear at that time in the South. Four little girls would die in the bombing of their church just three years later in Alabama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street…
Hate speech directed at Catholics, as well as African Americans, was also rampant down South then. What a coincidence.
And also no surprise that Tracy Morgan's hate speech coincided with a Tennessee statute that prohibits localities from passing anti-discrimination policies, directly aimed at anti-discrimination policies enacted in Nashville.
It's bigotry and vicious: apparently, 60 years later Tennessee has only learned to hate a new group, officially.
Sanctioning hate speech enables that discrimination and more, but I suspect the apologists for Tracy Morgan know that, and support the hate.
And as history has shown, they're bloodsoaked.
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Separate Colored and White bathrooms and drinking fountains, shocked me to the core as a 10 year old white girl.
But as that little girl, it was there I got to experience for myself the visceral fear of the blood lust of bigotry after my mother took us to a local Catholic mass, and complimented one of the parishoners on the pretty little church.
"We like it," the parishsioner drawled. "And so far, we've been able to keep it. The last three were burned down."
First time in my life I had to fear for my life: at ten to learn that there were bigots who would burn me and my family for attending that pretty little church.
Not an unrealistic fear at that time in the South. Four little girls would die in the bombing of their church just three years later in Alabama.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street…
Hate speech directed at Catholics, as well as African Americans, was also rampant down South then. What a coincidence.
And also no surprise that Tracy Morgan's hate speech coincided with a Tennessee statute that prohibits localities from passing anti-discrimination policies, directly aimed at anti-discrimination policies enacted in Nashville.
It's bigotry and vicious: apparently, 60 years later Tennessee has only learned to hate a new group, officially.
Sanctioning hate speech enables that discrimination and more, but I suspect the apologists for Tracy Morgan know that, and support the hate.
And as history has shown, they're bloodsoaked.
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This post is about Kevin Rogers or Memphis, Tennessee.
Kevin Rogers, who went to a comedy show put on by an artist he presumably liked, heard a terribly offensive rant, shared said rant on facebook and twitter, sparked a national conversation about the appropriateness of the homophobic and violent rant, came out to his parents, was interviewed on CNN and finally, had the poise and integrity to thank his parents for raising him and making him the man he is today.
Sometimes it gets better really, really quickly.
Kevin Rogers, who went to a comedy show put on by an artist he presumably liked, heard a terribly offensive rant, shared said rant on facebook and twitter, sparked a national conversation about the appropriateness of the homophobic and violent rant, came out to his parents, was interviewed on CNN and finally, had the poise and integrity to thank his parents for raising him and making him the man he is today.
Sometimes it gets better really, really quickly.
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I think Tracy Morgan should get fired. There is a well established pattern that public figures lose their jobs, are shunned and otherwise punished for being racist: See what happened to Imus, Richards, Schott, Jimmy 'the Greek' etc.
To not demand the same with homophobia - no make that vile homophobia that encourages violence against one's own child in an era of almost epidemic teen LGBT suicides - would be tantamount to condoning such homophobia. Remember, the audience applauded and cheered when Tracy discussed killing his own son.
Tracy needs to go. Maybe he can get some work in Uganda or someplace else where he can feel comfortable among homophobic kindred spirits.
And @28 - great observation.
To not demand the same with homophobia - no make that vile homophobia that encourages violence against one's own child in an era of almost epidemic teen LGBT suicides - would be tantamount to condoning such homophobia. Remember, the audience applauded and cheered when Tracy discussed killing his own son.
Tracy needs to go. Maybe he can get some work in Uganda or someplace else where he can feel comfortable among homophobic kindred spirits.
And @28 - great observation.
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Tracy Morgan should be canned. End of subject, but he won't because joking about violence against gays is still okay in the United States.
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every publicist in Hollywood has that apology on his/her computer as a template for when their clients fuck up. all you gotta do is fill in the blanks:
"I want to apologize to my fans and the (specific group) for my choice of words at my recent (type of performance) in (location). I'm not a hateful person and don't condone any kind of violence against (specific group)," Morgan said in a statement, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
"While I am an equal opportunity jokester, and my friends know what is in my heart, even in a (venue) this clearly went too far and was not funny in any context," the statement added.
see? easy-peasy!
"I want to apologize to my fans and the (specific group) for my choice of words at my recent (type of performance) in (location). I'm not a hateful person and don't condone any kind of violence against (specific group)," Morgan said in a statement, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
"While I am an equal opportunity jokester, and my friends know what is in my heart, even in a (venue) this clearly went too far and was not funny in any context," the statement added.
see? easy-peasy!
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SNL is rather homophobic so perhaps it's not too surprising when their former alums also share similar views.
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Gays are finding out what Asians and Jews have known for decades. We all need to fight against anti-black "racism" like it is cancer, even if the statements are true. But all hate speech and crimes by blacks requires either denial or sympathy for those who do it. Michael Richards talked about blacks no worse than Louis Farrakhan and Jerimiah Wright talk about Jews. But blacks howled and got his career and reputation destroyed. Some of those were people such as Tavis Smiley who openly promoted Farrakhan. Others were like Jesse Jackson who had talked about Jews themselves equally as offensively. Several months later Jackson was caught saying equally horrible things about blacks but his career as an "anti-racist activist" didn't suffer as a result, unlike Richards career as a comedian.
Imus had his career destroyed for calling a black female "ho". Al Sharpton was instrumental in making that happen. Sharptons hate speech has a body count of 9 he also led a racist boycott on Korean businesses. During this same time Hot 97 in NY had a skit where 4 black DJ's ridiculed the Asians killed in the Tsunami. they laughed about it and referred to them in racial slurs. No one was fired. Imus called a basketball team "ho's" and he was. This year the same radio station fired a DJ for accuately pointing out that Haitian women have a pretty high AIDS rate. Now he was fired.
Imus had his career destroyed for calling a black female "ho". Al Sharpton was instrumental in making that happen. Sharptons hate speech has a body count of 9 he also led a racist boycott on Korean businesses. During this same time Hot 97 in NY had a skit where 4 black DJ's ridiculed the Asians killed in the Tsunami. they laughed about it and referred to them in racial slurs. No one was fired. Imus called a basketball team "ho's" and he was. This year the same radio station fired a DJ for accuately pointing out that Haitian women have a pretty high AIDS rate. Now he was fired.
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Tracy Morgan advocated m-u-r-d-e-r of a minority. If what he said was appropriate than it's just as appropriate for me to say that there's nothing wrong with Tracy Morgan that couldn't be cured with 20 yards of tow chain, a black-top road, and the biggest pickup truck in Tennessee.
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Tracy Morgan doesn't enable monsters like this
http://minnesotaindependent.com/82383/br…
There is real oppression taking place in this country. Tracy Morgan's rant and subsequent national dialogue examining every detail of the statements and apologies of celebrities by way of their personal relations staff is not stopping men like Bradlee Dean.
You think stories like this are important because it "represents something bigger".
You're really just participating in a Mass Media circle jerk.
There are real enemies in this nation fighting against the progress of civil justice and human rights. Tracy Morgan is not one of those people, nor has he ever been one of those people.
Eyes on the prize, not the television.
http://minnesotaindependent.com/82383/br…
There is real oppression taking place in this country. Tracy Morgan's rant and subsequent national dialogue examining every detail of the statements and apologies of celebrities by way of their personal relations staff is not stopping men like Bradlee Dean.
You think stories like this are important because it "represents something bigger".
You're really just participating in a Mass Media circle jerk.
There are real enemies in this nation fighting against the progress of civil justice and human rights. Tracy Morgan is not one of those people, nor has he ever been one of those people.
Eyes on the prize, not the television.
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@40 So, just checking - since the IGBP is exclusively about the public conversation too, is that also a distraction and a waste of time?
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It Gets Better is addessing a specific issue and attempting to create a national dialogue about a problem that is often swept under the rug. Dan Savage is a hero for what he's done.
Bullying is something that hasn't been talked about much and is deserving of public attention.
While violence against the gay community continues at a totally unacceptable level, there is no epidemic in this country of fathers stabling their sons to death because of their homosexuality which could be traced to a lack of public discourse on the subject. This is not just like It Gets Better.
You want to relate Tracy Morgan to violence and how words create violence and so on and so forth but it's really just a whole bunch of Hollywood chatter while the real crimes go unsung. These public debates over a stupid tirade are not getting to the heart of the matter no matter how you try to connect the dots.
If you want to talk about violence against homosexuals then talk about folks who have been victims of violent hate crimes. Stop talking about hurt feelings from a bad joke. They are not the same thing.
Bullying is something that hasn't been talked about much and is deserving of public attention.
While violence against the gay community continues at a totally unacceptable level, there is no epidemic in this country of fathers stabling their sons to death because of their homosexuality which could be traced to a lack of public discourse on the subject. This is not just like It Gets Better.
You want to relate Tracy Morgan to violence and how words create violence and so on and so forth but it's really just a whole bunch of Hollywood chatter while the real crimes go unsung. These public debates over a stupid tirade are not getting to the heart of the matter no matter how you try to connect the dots.
If you want to talk about violence against homosexuals then talk about folks who have been victims of violent hate crimes. Stop talking about hurt feelings from a bad joke. They are not the same thing.
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Meanwhile, politicians, people who are paid with your tax dollars, say similar things every single day, in public, and no one bats an eyelash. Indeed, the worse the things they say, the more hateful, the more moronic, the more money they're paid and the more airtime they're given.
And you people are bent out of shape over a fucking comedian doing stand-up. We all need a serious reality check.
And you people are bent out of shape over a fucking comedian doing stand-up. We all need a serious reality check.
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@42: "If you want to talk about violence against homosexuals then talk about folks who have been victims of violent hate crimes. Stop talking about hurt feelings from a bad joke. They are not the same thing."
Fuck off, how do you keep violent hate crimes from happening? You change the dominant, violent, hateful culture and use not-even-extreme social sanctions to show people that this shit isn't acceptable in polite society. If you have to even ridicule the comedians, so be it.
The KKK probably had its biggest fall in public support once they were taken down on Superman.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archive…
Fuck off, how do you keep violent hate crimes from happening? You change the dominant, violent, hateful culture and use not-even-extreme social sanctions to show people that this shit isn't acceptable in polite society. If you have to even ridicule the comedians, so be it.
The KKK probably had its biggest fall in public support once they were taken down on Superman.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archive…
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So will men run out of things to say in comedy routines if we have the same standard of intolerance for misogyny as we do homophobia and racism?
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