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2012 Arizona Senate Passes Birther Bill
Posted by Paul Constant on Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 5:13 PM
I cannot express how much I loathe Arizona right now:
The Arizona Senate approved the so-called ‘birther’ bill requiring 2012 presidential candidates to prove they were born in the U.S. and are thus eligible to run for president.
The measure, House Bill 2177, is aimed at President Barack Obama and those on the political right who want him to produce a birth certificate proving he was born in Hawaii and not Kenya, where his father is from.
Meanwhile, unemployment in Arizona is still at 9.5%. Good work, you racist bags of shit!
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#1 it's not aimed at any one person. It's aimed at all those 100s of people from Mubutoostan, Yatekslava, and else where who come here and run for the office of President. It's a real problem, just like flag burning.
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Even so, the full faith and credit clause will require them to honor the not-quite-a-birth-certificate that Hawaii issues to third parties, right? This seems like time-wasting symbolism.
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He's ALREADY produced his birth certificate. What is with these people? They are hateful, racist FUCKTWITS !
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Birthright citizenship in the United States:
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.
Title 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad after December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are U.S. citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year at any time prior to the birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_…
Barack Hussein Obama II born August 4, 1961
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obam…
So now the birthers will have to lower themselves down to claiming Obama's mother is a liar and that she didn't give birth to him.
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[6] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.
Title 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad after December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are U.S. citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year at any time prior to the birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthright_…
Barack Hussein Obama II born August 4, 1961
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obam…
So now the birthers will have to lower themselves down to claiming Obama's mother is a liar and that she didn't give birth to him.
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@5 of course it's time-wasting symbolism. Meaningless political grandstanding. Ann Coulter says it's the liberals (arizona is full of liberals, doncha know) that are keeping this false issue alive to distract the country from the horrible job BHO is doing. damn liberals!
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That's pretty funny that if this were in effect in 2008 and actually enforced correctly, Obama would have made the Arizona ballot but John McCain would have been excluded.
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IF HE WOUD JUST PRODUCE HIS LONG FORM BIRTH CIRTIFICATE NONE OF THIS WOULD BE NECCESARY BUT HE CANT BECAUSE HES HIDING THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA HIS GRANDMOTHER SAID SO AND SHE SAID BARRACK IS A MUSLIM YOU GUYS!!!!!1
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@1: That would be a bill of attainder. I don't think OP means it's directly aimed at the President. It's just obvious they wouldn't be considering it at all if he wasn't President.
@11: All this birther shit is obviously fucking racist. I know, no one is actually saying anything about race in birther arguments, but smart people can read between the lines.
@11: All this birther shit is obviously fucking racist. I know, no one is actually saying anything about race in birther arguments, but smart people can read between the lines.
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This is such fucking bullshit. Typical that the AZ legislators like Russell Pearce, who can't get his fat ass off his seat to look around and see that the state is falling apart, spend taxpayer monies while they pass frivolous, meaningless legislation like this.
That 9.5% is just the ones who are still reporting that they are unemployed and receiving unemployment. There are lots more there who are unemployed who have just given up and are walking away from their houses. There are even more who are underemployed - taking a job for $7-8/hr just to get a little income. The few family members I have left there say their neighborhood has become like a ghost town, with businesses closing down every week, and houses sitting abandoned. My cousin lives near a newer housing development that was abandoned before construction was completed. Now the scavengers pick through the houses looking for salvage, while the kids party in them and set them on fire.
That 9.5% is just the ones who are still reporting that they are unemployed and receiving unemployment. There are lots more there who are unemployed who have just given up and are walking away from their houses. There are even more who are underemployed - taking a job for $7-8/hr just to get a little income. The few family members I have left there say their neighborhood has become like a ghost town, with businesses closing down every week, and houses sitting abandoned. My cousin lives near a newer housing development that was abandoned before construction was completed. Now the scavengers pick through the houses looking for salvage, while the kids party in them and set them on fire.
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Didn't he have to show his birth certificate when he filled out his I9 back in 2008?
Or did he just use his Social Security card and drivers license like most people?
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They're mad about anchor babies, because born on US soil, they're citizen's, yes? My understanding of that protection is that it extends to: no matter where you're born in this world, if your mother (or established father) is a US citizen, then you are too. I seem to remember that from 9th grade social studies.
So he could have been born on mars and he'd still be a citizen of the US because his mother was. Do I understand that right?
So he could have been born on mars and he'd still be a citizen of the US because his mother was. Do I understand that right?
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Thank you, internet jen, that's exactly it. That's what has baffled me most about this moronic "movement": that even if he hadn't produced his birth certificate, he's STILL A CITIZEN BECAUSE HIS MOTHER WAS.
If these people are so frickin patriotic, why don't they bother to learn a few of our laws?
If these people are so frickin patriotic, why don't they bother to learn a few of our laws?
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amen to internet jen and Allyn. What I don't fucking get is why every media outlet doesn't point this out whenever they mention the birthers. It doesn't fucking matter if he was born on Mars. Journalists should know this and point it out.
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Despite your blogger license Paul; your hot link "I cannot express how much I loathe Arizona" is clearly not want you want to express about one of the most majestically beautiful states in the union. I'm of course, fully aware of your disposition when you were writing these words. All I ask for is a little more context to separate your well-focused outrages of political discontent from the land and peoples of the great expanse of land we all know and love as Arizona.
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@23
I don't think they're the same person and here's why: after reading Bailo's comment @16 I finally understood that he's the conservative version of Will In Seattle. now while @22's comment is senseless and avoids all logic attached to Paul's post, it lacks the inanity characteristic of such a description as the one I just handed you.
I don't think they're the same person and here's why: after reading Bailo's comment @16 I finally understood that he's the conservative version of Will In Seattle. now while @22's comment is senseless and avoids all logic attached to Paul's post, it lacks the inanity characteristic of such a description as the one I just handed you.
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I say we just let them go. They obviously are in the same spirit as the Confederate traitors, so let's give any state that wants to leave the Union the option to do so.
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@25 - you appear to be projecting. Perhaps a visit to Pottery Barn (and some pills) will ease your troubled soul.
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@8 & 19 The issue isn't whether he's a US citizen- the issue is whether he's eligible for the office of President, which includes the requirement that one be 35 years of age, and a citizen born in the United States (or a US territory). Your parents can be US citizens, but if you're born in Vancouver, your chances of becoming Pres are effectively zero.
All that being said- I still think the birther movement is a thinly veiled racist pile of crap, and the sooner we can *officially* discredit them (ie prove citizenship under bullshit laws like this) the better.
All that being said- I still think the birther movement is a thinly veiled racist pile of crap, and the sooner we can *officially* discredit them (ie prove citizenship under bullshit laws like this) the better.
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LEE@24, I disagree, though I have actually wondered if Will in Seattle could also be Bailo...the post styles seem equally incoherent and batshit, mostly non sequiturs aimed at themselves like a mentally disabled person lost in a hall of mirrors...
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This whole birther thing is just a big diversionary smoke bomb they keep going to obscure the fact that they are clueless idiots with no answer to any problems. Except NO, of course. Their puppet masters, the top-one-percenters, like it that way. Until the sick, starving masses overwhelm the guards protecting the gated communities in which they cower.
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I'm actually curious how this will play out in 2012. Will Arizona allow him on the ballot? Will they turn away the proof he's already given multiple times as insufficient? I mean, I doubt he'd win in Arizona anyway, but . . . disallowing a sitting president from being on the ballot would be kinda huge(ly douchey).
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John McCain, Senator (3rd worst economy), showed his birth certificate to a WaPo reporter, but was never forced to go any further. He didn't have to, and neither did Barry Goldwater (born in AZ territory) or the other Barry. Title 8 of the U.S. Code grants citizenship to all of them.
We're forgetting the long shadow of Miss Hillary Clinton. She had the Edwards dirt but didn't have to use it. As for O, if she'd had a bomb, she would've dropped it. Case closed.
We're forgetting the long shadow of Miss Hillary Clinton. She had the Edwards dirt but didn't have to use it. As for O, if she'd had a bomb, she would've dropped it. Case closed.
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Does this actually matter? Obama wasn't going to take AZ anyway. This saves him a little money since he doesn't even have to contest the state.
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@29 And the really absurd thing is that the birthers admit that he is a citizen but allege there was a massive coverup of his non-native status - a coverup that started at the time of his birth. The possible goal of this coverup would be to make B.O. eligible for the presidency*.
Add that up, and you get Obama's entire family realizing *at the moment he was born* that he would someday be the president - but only if they falsified a few documents.
With foresight like that, wouldn't they have named him something else?
* (Actually the one other benefit of being born on u.s. soil is that it allows a person to pass along citizenship to heirs without establishing 10 years of domestic residency first. I suppose his grandparents could have been concerned about that, but it seems pretty far fetched.)
Add that up, and you get Obama's entire family realizing *at the moment he was born* that he would someday be the president - but only if they falsified a few documents.
With foresight like that, wouldn't they have named him something else?
* (Actually the one other benefit of being born on u.s. soil is that it allows a person to pass along citizenship to heirs without establishing 10 years of domestic residency first. I suppose his grandparents could have been concerned about that, but it seems pretty far fetched.)
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