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Monday, March 14, 2011

Don't Panic

Posted by on Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:10 PM

First, the latest news on the Fukushima reactors, via Nuclear Information and Resource Service:

NHK TV reports that there has been an explosion at Unit 2 at Fukushima Daiichi. There is speculation that this explosion has damaged the primary containment (inside the concrete containment building, which is the secondary containment. Tepco is evacuating some non- essential personnel from the reactor site. 2.5 meters of the core are currently uncovered by water—which means it is almost certainly melting. Winds from the site are currently blowing toward the North.

If true, this is arguably the worst case scenario for this disaster. The primary containment building is responsible for containing the nuclear fuel of the reactor. For those of us not directly working at the plant bravely sticking to their duties despite all the risk or within a hundred miles or so from the damaged reactors, there is no heath risk or radiation exposure risk.

Do not panic.

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  • http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

The prior explosions at reactor 1 and 3 involved the secondary containment building. If the primary containment is actually breached at reactor 2, this might make the site too radioactive for workers to stay at for any length of time.

(If you're curious to read some more details about what has, and is, happening at the plants, I can recommend this article by Dr Josef Oehmen from MIT.)

There are two perspectives to come at, when considering the significance of this event.

For those within a short distance of the plant, this is now a massive event—with significant local contamination possible. A release of radiation on the scale of the Chernobyl disaster is simply not possible; a release larger than that of Three Mile Island is increasingly likely—particularly as salvage efforts are hampered by the local radiation levels.

For the rest of us, even given the potential release of reactor contents to the environment, the amount of radioactive isotopes we'll be exposed to from this accident should be considered in comparison to that from other sources.

Coal burning power plants, worldwide, release approximately 8000 tons of Uranium and 20,000 tons of (radioactive) Thorium into the environment each year—as a part of routine operations. (Coal is contaminated with these elements, and there are no regulations requiring them to be stripped out before the coal is burned.)

Similarly, the mining of rare earth elements (used to manufacture touchscreens and windmill generators, among many other high tech items) results in vast waste pools of Thorium—also left exposed to the environment.

Despite the magnitude of this disaster—larger than many suspected could be possible with non-Soviet-style reactors—I firmly believe some perspective is needed when you consider if nuclear power is 'safe'.

Another point, that I fear people are confused by: A 'Meltdown' does not mean the same thing as a nuclear explosion. A meltdown means the nuclear fuel in the reactor—normally in pellet form, neatly loaded in metal rods—has melted and lost the orderly shape. A 'partial meltdown' means the fuel rods have partially melted. A 'full meltdown' indicates a complete loss of form to the fuel. The more deformed the fuel becomes, the harder the eventual cleanup.

There is zero, none, zilch, nada chance of a nuclear explosion at one of these plants. None. Not even the shittiest imaginable midnight scifi flick could that happen. (As the Iranians and North Koreans can attest—creating a successful nuclear detonation takes lots of careful forming, enrichment and orderly compression.) Again. A meltdown is a problem for the eventual cleanup of these plants, but otherwise doesn't mean much for anyone who isn't planning on hiring with the Tokyo Power Company.

Updated:

From a (near) real-time Geiger Counter located in Tokyo:

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  • http://park18.wakwak.com/~weather/geiger_index.html

 

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Will in Seattle 1
Sure, that's easy for you to say.

You don't have to fight Godzilla or the genetically modified sea bass.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on March 14, 2011 at 6:14 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 2
Well, the good news is that they've already evacuated almost everybody for miles around this thing.

The bad news is that the ones who haven't been evacuated are going to glow in the dark now.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on March 14, 2011 at 6:22 PM
Andy_Squirrel 3
after reading, this song comes to mind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OUY5GOOG…
Posted by Andy_Squirrel on March 14, 2011 at 6:26 PM
attitude devant 4
Yeah, well, FTE, that will at least make it possible to read during the rolling blackouts....

(gallows humor)
Posted by attitude devant on March 14, 2011 at 6:39 PM
Unregistered User 5
ARGH WHERE WERE YOU THIS WEEKEND
Posted by Unregistered User on March 14, 2011 at 6:44 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 6
Oh, I'm the master of gallows humor. Or so I've been told by a bud of mine who's a neurosurgeon, and if anyone should know, he should.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on March 14, 2011 at 6:55 PM
The Wretched Harmony 7
So Chernobyl is where the bar is set? Anything less than another Chernobyl and nuclear power is all hunky dory?

"Don't panic" is some pretty banal advice, by the way.
Posted by The Wretched Harmony on March 14, 2011 at 7:09 PM
dirac 8
Golob:

I really take issue with the conclusions at the end of the article you linked to in the aside. Dr. Oehmen has been proffered as a nuclear expert. From what I understand, he is not and he has a decidedly pro-nuclear agenda given his conclusions which are speculative at best. Dr. Oehmen's credentials seem to be in supply chain risk management but I've seen tons of fallacious arguments from authority today using this as a reference. If you want to cite sources, at least give us articles from nuclear engineers or state the context of their expertise (rather than just being the son of a nuclear engineer).

For balance, I think you should at least post a link to the Union of Concerned Scientists' blog on this:
allthingsnuclear.org.
Posted by dirac on March 14, 2011 at 7:12 PM
Jonathan Golob 9
@7: It's a Douglas Adams reference. Right? Embossed helpfully, right on the cover.

And no, it's not a bar set below Chernobyl. It's a comparison that should be rationally done among the alternatives to nuclear power, going forward from this place.

This is it. Really. The worst case scenario. A 9.0 earthquake, tsunami all hitting a forty year old plant, with one of the least intrinsically safe designs in operation.

It's not a popular thing to say now, but as bad as nuclear power is from an environmental POV, it's probably better than continuing to burn fossil fuels.
Posted by Jonathan Golob http://dearscience.org on March 14, 2011 at 7:16 PM
10
There are about 30,000 deaths/year from coal pollution in the US alone. The nuclear power situation in Japan has to get orders of magnitude more serious before it comes even close to the human suffering caused by coal.

Every story on the nuclear disaster takes attention away from the hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who are acutely suffering the after affects of the tsunami. A responsible media would be reporting on ways for people to help those in need rather than scaring us with nuclear holocaust nonsense.
Posted by excess on March 14, 2011 at 7:17 PM
Puck Falin 11
Finally, a voice of fucking reason. Thank you for being it, Mr. Golob.
Posted by Puck Falin on March 14, 2011 at 7:19 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 12
Yes, of course Chernobyl is where the bar is set, and for good reason. That was not a steam reactor, as these are, so that even in a true worst-case scenario, it's impossible for this to be that bad.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on March 14, 2011 at 7:19 PM
13
more like the Union of Concern Troll Scientists
Posted by Reader1 on March 14, 2011 at 7:23 PM
dirac 14
@9

Re: Coal burning plants. What will it take to increase nuclear energy capacity since they take so damned long to build? Coal burning plants.

Re: Mining, yes that's something we can agree on. Increased mining because of ravenous consumption is not good for the environment nor the colonized populations the minerals are stolen from. However, this doesn't mean we should make the trade for increased uranium. Every stage of the processing (without accidents or tactical events): mining, enrichment, fission, waste disposal and retention is a long-term danger and increases carbon emissions* at the same time.
It would be more prudent to look into ways to prioritize a balance to that consumption and continue research into fusion and improving manufacturing processes and efficiency for solar, wind, hydroelectric, etc.

*assuming that mining/enrichment equipment will be gas and coal powered for some time to come.
Posted by dirac on March 14, 2011 at 7:25 PM
Jonathan Golob 15
Dirac: It's a fair point, and I really do love the UCS and can see their points

I'm honestly torn in this situation--a bigger calamity than felt to be possible with a boiling water reactor.
Posted by Jonathan Golob http://dearscience.org on March 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM
The Wretched Harmony 16
@12

Yesterday we were being assured a full meltdown was "impossible". Today we're hearing all the workers are ready to bug out and stand back and watch, staring a full meltdown in the face.

Pretty much every step in this whole chain of events was, we were told ahead of time, impossible. The bizarre logical twist is that the ones making these incorrect predictions don't want to be held to account precisely because they said each of these things was called impossible.

See how that works? Where I would say they are clueless and incompetent for not anticipating that these things were going to happen, they delude themselves that their reasoning was sound because it only applied for all the stuff they did plan for. The stuff they didn't plan on happening doesn't count against them. Even though it did happen.

It's exasperating but it's always exasperating dealing with people suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Posted by The Wretched Harmony on March 14, 2011 at 7:34 PM
17
Thank you, Mr. Golob, for being a real journalist.
Posted by just_another_matt on March 14, 2011 at 7:35 PM
18
I'm with #11. Thanks for your continued calm voice, Dr. Golob.
Posted by Donna on March 14, 2011 at 7:40 PM
19
How does this mesh with your post about vitamins from several days back?
Posted by Jude Fawley on March 14, 2011 at 7:40 PM
Captain Wiggette 20
THE SHIT IS HITTING THE FAN RIGHT FUCKING NOW:

ALL FOUR REACTORS ARE SERIOUSLY FUCKED RIGHT NOW:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/world/…

Japan Faces Prospect of Nuclear Catastrophe as Workers Leave Plant

TOKYO — Japan faced the likelihood of a catastrophic nuclear accident Tuesday morning, as an explosion at the most crippled of three reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station damaged its crucial steel containment structure, emergency workers were withdrawn from the plant, and much larger emissions of radioactive materials appeared immiment, according to official statements and industry executives informed about the developments.

Japanese Prime Minsiter Naoto Kan made a televised address to the nation at 11 a.m. Tokyo time to discuss the latest developments in the crisis.

The sharp deterioration came after government officials said the containment structure of the No. 2 reactor, the most seriously damaged of three reactors at the Daichi plant, had suffered damage during an explosion shortly after 6 a.m. on Tuesday.

They initially suggested that the damage was limited and that emergency operations aimed at cooling the nuclear fuel at three stricken reactors with seawater would continue. But industry executives said that in fact the situation had spiraled out of control and that all plant workers needed to leave the plant to avoid excessive exposure to radioactive leaks.

If all workers do in fact leave the plant, the nuclear fuel in all three reactors is likely to melt down, which would lead to wholesale releases of radioactive material — by far the largest accident of its kind since the Chernobyl disaster 25 years ago.

More...
Posted by Captain Wiggette on March 14, 2011 at 7:46 PM
21
Containment breech or not (and it looks like it's inevitable) Japan is done, forever. There is no energy to rebuild, and Japan was in trouble before the quake. The impact of this will have devastating repercussions across the globe, regardless of a containment breech. We are all Japanese now.
Posted by Spindles on March 14, 2011 at 7:51 PM
Jonathan Golob 22
@19: Reread that post. I actually said there was little to no health risk here in Washington.

For the irrationally panicky, I suggested vitamins as something relatively harmless.
Posted by Jonathan Golob http://dearscience.org on March 14, 2011 at 7:57 PM
samktg 23
@21, thanks Chicken-Little. Due to Chernobyl we're all living in pressure domes deep beneath the Earth's surface, god knows what we'll do when Japan is just a radioactive wasteland. Take a vitamin and chill the fuck out.
Posted by samktg on March 14, 2011 at 8:04 PM
24
Jonathan Golob tips his hand to his bias in his statement, "nuclear power is...probably better than continuing to burn fossil fuels", without acknowledging the overwhelming evidence of waste contamination, exhaust, run-off, and the negligence of authorities to maintain site safety, as well as Golob's selective reference to pro-nuclear power assessments of damage. Contra Puck Falin, Jonathan Golob's argument shows gaps in its reasonableness. My lot is with Dirac!
Posted by SeaTutt323 on March 14, 2011 at 8:05 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 25
No, you were right, bud - there's little to no risk, with a heavy emphasis on "no." There's little to no risk even for people living in Japan right now, though you may see a few hundred cases of radiation sickness before this is all over. In the great scheme of things, that's nothing to get excited about.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on March 14, 2011 at 8:06 PM
wisepunk 26
Dr. JG, can you please repost some previous slogs about the new reactor designs? I don't remember when you posted them, I figure you have easy access to your previous posts? (actually I am just semi drunk and lazy)
Posted by wisepunk on March 14, 2011 at 8:09 PM
27
I'm no nuclear reactor expert, but I do know I'm tired of hearing how various levels of radiation and other toxic chemical releases that occur over the course of a week are nothing compared to what happens in a year.

Forgive me, but there's just something that doesn't sit right with me about getting a year's worth of radiation exposure in a few days (not to mention, you still get an additional year's worth in a year). (Or, a day's worth of radiation in a few seconds; which is why I'm happy to keep myself in the control group of the TSA's radiation exposure experiments.)

And I dot know what news sources you've been reading, but nobody's been seriously talking about a thermonuclear detonation... they have been talking about a meltdown, and that event seems increasingly plausible.
Posted by madcap on March 14, 2011 at 10:56 PM
Packeteer 28
@27 Remember that you even stated that you are not a nuclear expert. You have to consider that an x-ray or CT scan is putting WAY more radiation in your body than this nuclear leak. Also every time you fly in an airplane you are exposed to increased radiation from less atmosphere to protect you. Your smoke alarm also emits radiation into your house.

It is worth being cautious about and I appreciate that you are just expressing a feeling but this is why we have to stick with the facts and the science. People are scared of nuclear anything due to various pieces of pop culture.
Posted by Packeteer on March 15, 2011 at 2:50 AM
29
And yet, the Japanese government is now telling 140,000 people to seal up their houses and is handing out iodine tablets in Tokyo.

I don't know about you, but every time I've gotten x-rays, they put a big lead smock on me, the doctor leaves the room, and I don't get blasted by x-rays continually for a week.

I'm not saying we're at apocalypse here, but can we agree this is worse (for Japan, at least) than a smoke detector or normal ambient radiation? Do we need to wait for people to get cancer or their gums to start bleeding before we admit that their nuclear reactor fucked up?
Posted by madcap on March 15, 2011 at 8:35 AM
Will in Seattle 30
Vitamins are the mind killer.

Caffeine ftw!
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on March 15, 2011 at 11:12 AM
dirac 31
@29, No. Just last night people were still saying that they were detecting Cesium and Iodine only because they were venting, not because of potentially damaged fuel rods and loss of containment. Perhaps for some the illusion of control must be maintained.
Posted by dirac on March 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM
32
Great summary and lots of good info here:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthr…
Posted by Justin on March 15, 2011 at 11:34 AM
33
What do the labels on that graph mean?
Posted by banjo on March 15, 2011 at 1:37 PM
Captain Wiggette 34
@31: detection of cesium indicates some degree of damage to the fuel rods. It does not mean breach of the reactor vessel, or of primary containment, because they have been venting. Other developments indicate some breach of primary containment in unit #2, and I have not read any information about the state of the reactor vessels themselves in units 1-3. However, there may be no way of knowing whether they have been breached or not at this point.

We do know that the secondary containment buildings have been destroyed significantly in units 1 and 3, which is the last line of defense. So unless the more primary lines of defense hold, which is completely unknown territory at this point, it could become very bad very fast.
Posted by Captain Wiggette on March 15, 2011 at 7:05 PM
35
see also: Debunking a viral blog post on the nuke …:

A viral blog post claimed that there was no chance "significant radiation" would be released from damaged reactors in Japan, but despite having been republished widely around the Web, the post has not held up to scrutiny.


Identified as an "MIT research scientist," Dr. Josef Oehmen wrote the post over the weekend with the title, "Why I am not worried about Japan’s nuclear reactors." It was a modified version of an e-mail he sent to family and friends in Japan on Saturday evening, according to the blog where it was originally posted.


Oehmen, it turns out, does work at MIT but has no special expertise in nuclear power. And his key claim -- that "there was and will *not* be any significant release of radioactivity from the damaged Japanese reactors" -- appears to have already been proven false. While clearly the situation is still developing and all the facts are not yet known, the New York Times reported today that an explosion at the Fukushima Daiichi plant released "a surge of radiation 800 times more intense than the recommended hourly exposure limit in Japan," leading to the evacuation of 750 workers. Meanwhile, the government has ordered 140,000 within 20 miles of the plant to stay indoors.



h/t @lensassaman
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Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on March 16, 2011 at 2:48 PM

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