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Tuesday, November 9, 2010

Why Aren't There Any "Out" Kinky Celebrities?

Posted by on Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 2:39 PM

This bullshit blind item ("Which Celeb Is Into Kinky S&M Sex?"), which was linked today on Gawker, got me to thinking about how some big stars must be into S&M. Some of them have to be, right?

Backing up for a moment: we used to infer that some big stars had to be gay because a small-but-constant percentage of the general population is gay and big stars are a small-but-glamorous population that is drawn from a larger-and-less-glamorous general population that we know to be gay at a small-but-constantly-glamorous percentage. In the early 1980s this was all the proof that amateur/armchair/barstool gay sociologists needed to conclude that Keanu Reeves and Tom Cruise and Beetlejuice-vintage Alec Baldwin and every other desirable male celebrity were gayer than a colon full of rodents, conclusions we reached without pausing to control for wishful thinking on our parts because our science seemed so sound what with the math and percentages and the populations and everything.

We no longer need to infer that some big stars have to be gay because now so many big stars are openly gay: Ellen Degeneres, Neil Patrick Harris, Wanda Sykes, Ian McKellen. They're not the stars we were all speculating about back before there any openly gay stars, I'm sorry to say, but they'll have to do. (And new daddy NPH will do fine.)

So.

There are currently no openly kinky stars out there. And we know there have to be kinky stars because kinky people are a small-but-constant percentage of the general population and big stars are a small-but-glamorous population that is drawn from the larger-and-less-glamorous general population that we know to be kinky at a small-but-constantly-freaky percentage. But no big female star has given Extra or Access Hollywood a tour of the killer playroom/dungeon she built with the money they made starring in that awful Disney sitcom, and no big male star has opened up to Us Weekly or Vanity Fair about being a submissive adult baby who also enjoys spankings, forced feminization, and catheter play.

Will there ever be openly kinky stars? I doubt it, for two reasons.

First, being kinky isn't the same as being gay. While some kinksters identify strongly with their kinks and are open about their sexual interests, being into baby bonnets or bondage isn't about who you love, it's about how you love. A kinky person has nothing to be ashamed of, of course, and I think kinky people should be just as open about their kinks as they wants to be. But a kinky person doesn't need to be. It's the difference between introducing someone to your wife and introducing someone to your wife and then adding that your dick gets really hard when you drink the wife's piss as an act of erotic submission. That she's your wife is information about your public life: you're publicly a couple, you've taken each other as next of kin, she's the person who should be called if you get hit by a bus. Same goes for your husband if you're married to a man. That you drink your spouse's piss is nice and all, a lovely gesture, and we're happy if you're happy, but that drinking piss stuff is bonus info about your sex life that no needs to know and most people will regard as TMI.

And second... after pointing out how kink differs from gay... I'm going to turn around and pronounce kink the new gay. Gay actors used to be warned against coming out because audiences, according to producers, would never accept them in straight roles. (So producers would never cast gay actors in straight roles and audiences never got a chance to get used to gay actors playing straight.) While no big stars have come out as gay—it's not too late, Keanu—Neil Patrick Harris and Cheyenne Jackson are both out and both play straight men on television (How I Met Your Mother and 30 Rock, respectively, both playing comic roles). Still, I have to concede that audiences might have a difficult time accepting, say, a Jude Law or an Ashton Kutcher or a Sean William Scott as the male lead in a romantic comedy if it turned out that one or all of them enjoyed being fucked in the ass by gay porn stars on the orders of their professional Mistresses in domination studios in Chelsea while singing "Onward Christian Soldier" at the top of their lungs. (I meant to link to that item ages ago—it haunts me. More details here.) You can be openly gay and a working actor these days. I don't think the same would apply to openly kinky—particularly if your kinks were extreme (extremely compelling, extremely fun).

As for the S&M blind item that Gawker linked today...

1. "He like his sex unconventional. Some would call it experimental, certainly vigorous, and definitely physical. Maybe too physical. Mixing pain into his pleasure, and cutting very, very close to a dangerous line is taking its toll on his body. He shows up with strange bruises, the next week it's a minor fracture, his neck has been strained, sometimes there's a knee brace, the shoulder's been f-cked up for a while, and his back is a chronic issue too. The excuse of course is that he's active, that he exercises, he's sporty, and that's true, yes, but the injuries are not sustained while playing pickup."

...I'm calling bullshit. I know a lot of people into "kinky S&M sex" (as opposed to vanilla S&M sex?), some with dungeons of their very own, and none have ever emerged from their playrooms with serious back injuries, fractured bones, wrenched knees, or neck braces. The occasional "strange bruise" I'm willing to concede. But that list of injuries sounds like an S&M sight gag you can see on Broadway right now. (In La Cage aux Folles the stage manager of the nightclub-within-a-play has an affair with the showgirl/Cagelle whose act involves whips, leather, and chains, and every time he steps onstage he has a new injury—first it's "strange bruises," then he comes out on crutches, and finally he comes out wearing... a neck brace.) I agree with the Gawker commenter who writes...

I don't believe [the kinky star] exists at all. What long-term S&M practitioner ever shows up with fractures? Or shoulder/back issues? Who fractures bones? It sounds like prurient S&M fearmongering.

Agreed.

 

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1
Jane Wiedlin appeared as herself on the fourth season of VH1's The Surreal Life in 2005, wherein she talked about her interest in BDSM.
Posted by You can argue relevence and I'll argue 5 years on November 9, 2010 at 2:47 PM
2
Drew Carey has talked about how kinky he is, hasn't he?
Posted by doceb on November 9, 2010 at 2:52 PM
3
I don't know how big a star Margaret Cho is, but she's very open about kink. A few other musicians and comedians are, now that I think about it. People on the Marilyn Manson or Jim Norton angles.
Posted by Monty on November 9, 2010 at 2:56 PM
4
well, i for one pissed in ricky martin's mouth one time.
Posted by Adrian Ryan on November 9, 2010 at 2:57 PM
Joe Szilagyi 5
He shows up with strange bruises, the next week it's a minor fracture, his neck has been strained, sometimes there's a knee brace, the shoulder's been f-cked up for a while, and his back is a chronic issue too. The excuse of course is that he's active, that he exercises, he's sporty, and that's true, yes, but the injuries are not sustained while playing pickup.


...or he's Batman.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://www.joeszilagyi.com on November 9, 2010 at 2:58 PM
6
I'm pretty sure that whoever they're talking about has founded his own celebrity fight club.
Posted by word.bird on November 9, 2010 at 3:01 PM
BEG 7
It's not even that it's TMI (although sometimes it is o.O), but the who vs how is relevant, I think. You'd want to drag your partner to a party, awards ceremony, or whatever. There's not much reason to want to drag along one's bondage ropes or leather harness out to similar social functions.

Though if any of them feel like talking about it, I don't see why not.

As for the injuries, oh hell I fell off the bed once during perfectly vanilla activities and limped for a few days after... I'm sure one can get injured while doing anything, but not necessarily because of *what* they were doing, if you catch my drift.

Maybe poly would be the next "new gay", as that still involves who and not so much how... (Hasn't Will Smith hinted that he & his wife have an open relationship?)
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on November 9, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 8
Well, I'm kinky as all get-out, but I guess I don't count. Bummer.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on November 9, 2010 at 3:05 PM
9
Penn Jillette is pretty famous and very out about his BDSM stuff... He even gave a tour of his dungeon on MTV cribs.
Posted by meks on November 9, 2010 at 3:06 PM
Fnarf 10
Elizabeth Taylor liked to be vigorously slapped around at least as far back as the sixties, the new joint biography "Furious Love" reveals. The author Sam Kashner had access to all of Richard Burton's diaries, in which he recorded everything. If that relationship wasn't kinky, nothing is.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 9, 2010 at 3:06 PM
11
Angelina Jolie has to count for something.
Posted by citrine on November 9, 2010 at 3:07 PM
very bad homo 12
Didn't Sting say he and his wife have an open relationship? Does that count as kinky? (At least in hetero circles?)

Also, Madonna's SEX book was her way of coming out as a kinky slut, wasn't it? As if we'd have to guess...
Posted by very bad homo on November 9, 2010 at 3:08 PM
Vince 13
I don't care about celebrities. They are not real people in any sense. They are personas. And the media already spends (wastes) too much time on their bullshit. Lindsay Lohan is a good example. I don't give a turd in a pie crust what she does.
Posted by Vince on November 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM
yolfer 14
Richard Gere
Posted by yolfer http://bostonsteamer.livejournal.com on November 9, 2010 at 3:15 PM
BEG 15
@12 You know -- given the whole raunchy rock star personas that have been around since, oh the early seventies at least, plus all the wide wardrobe variety that's out there (plus the practically obligatory leatherman/dominatrix outfits for any kind of clubbing), anyone into kink has had protective coloring for decades, if you think about it.

Part of the problem is the vagueness of "kink". I mean, is it *anything* outside of heterosexual missionary position? Does it have to involve other objects -- or is voyeurism a kink, too? I'm not entirely sure that kink is entirely & only equivalant to BDSM -- or is it?
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on November 9, 2010 at 3:15 PM
Amnt 16
There's always David Carradine...
Posted by Amnt on November 9, 2010 at 3:21 PM
very bad homo 17
@15 - I find when most women say they are kinky, it means their husband spanked them once, and they kind of liked it.
Posted by very bad homo on November 9, 2010 at 3:26 PM
BEG 18
@17 Ha ha, so true...
Posted by BEG http://twitter.com/#!/browneyedgirl65 on November 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
19
I must have missed the entire Penn Jillette thing but it doesn't surprise me a bit. From the first time I saw him on TV I just knew. Wouldn't mind having him practicing on me. ;)
Posted by pennfan on November 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
theInvisibleDick 20
Marilyn Manson openly kinked the crap out of Evan Rachel Wood, which also brings to mind Rose McGowan, and of course Dita is an open celebrity...
Posted by theInvisibleDick on November 9, 2010 at 3:31 PM
boxcar 21
how about justin bieber. is she?
Posted by boxcar on November 9, 2010 at 3:33 PM
seandr 22
Snorting piles of blow from between a hooker's tits is about as kinky as most celebrities get.
Posted by seandr on November 9, 2010 at 3:38 PM
23
Wow, how about sticking an "NSFW advertisements" warning next to your thesword.com link? I think giant cocks might be against my university's "no porn in the library" rule.
Posted by Ben L on November 9, 2010 at 3:39 PM
Fistique 24
If Katy Perry and Russell Brand aren't polyamorous, their marriage is in for some rough times.
Posted by Fistique on November 9, 2010 at 3:40 PM
25
Penn Jillette from Penn and Teller has a dungeon in his house (mentioned in an article about his house) and Rob Halford of Judas Priest has also mentioned his dungeon; not even a hint of surprise there.

Not big celebrities. Good for them, anyway.
Posted by Evil Jenny on November 9, 2010 at 3:46 PM
Fnarf 26
When The Beatles toured America their hotels were absolute brothels. Ronnie Spector remembers John Lennon taking her into a bedroom where a whole crowd of people were gathered around watching roadie Mal Evans fuck the daylights out of a couple of groupies. That's pretty kinky for 1964.

Beatles manager Brian Epstein enjoyed rough trade and "cottaging", and was frequently beaten to a pulp by his assorted sailors and workmen pickups.

Theater critic Kenneth Tynan enjoyed beating the shit out of his girlfriends and hookers so hard he frequently blacked their eyes and broke sticks over their backsides.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on November 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM
OutInBumF 27
I can't get past "gayer than a colon full of rodents"...
Posted by OutInBumF on November 9, 2010 at 3:56 PM
Womyn2me 28
And you know Angelena Jolie pegs Brad Pitt...
Posted by Womyn2me http://http:\\www.shelleyandlaura.com on November 9, 2010 at 3:58 PM
crazycatguy 29
That's a lot of text for something no one cares about, Dan.
Posted by crazycatguy on November 9, 2010 at 4:01 PM
venomlash 30
I deem this post unnecessary.
Posted by venomlash on November 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM
OutInBumF 31
@28- That one's pegged every guy she's ever been with, guaranteed. And probably every woman, too.
Posted by OutInBumF on November 9, 2010 at 4:15 PM
32
I know a lot of BDSMers, and no one I know, myself included, has ever had a serious injury, so, definitely bullshit.

Jane Wiedlen of the Go-Gos is well-known as a dominatrix.
Posted by runtu on November 9, 2010 at 4:32 PM
duckgirlie 33
@11 Angelina Jolie gave an interview a while ago where she basically said that kink (and it seemed like she included bisexuality as one, though that could have been awkward wording) was something she used to do, but not anymore that she's in a proper grown-up relationship.
Posted by duckgirlie on November 9, 2010 at 4:35 PM
34
Trent Reznor is definitely in the scene.
Posted by NINfan on November 9, 2010 at 4:36 PM
vooodooo84 35
@11, @33 I know its true it was in the Daily Mail
Posted by vooodooo84 on November 9, 2010 at 4:38 PM
Cracker Jack 36
I thought John Stamos was supposed to like getting freaky?
Posted by Cracker Jack on November 9, 2010 at 4:55 PM
37
David Carridine recently came out of the closet as an autoerotic asphyxiation fan.

Too soon?
Posted by dwight moody on November 9, 2010 at 5:03 PM
wench 38
Wouldn't the obvious person to burst out singing be Hugh Jackman? I have to admit, I like that picture.
Posted by wench on November 9, 2010 at 5:04 PM
gloomy gus 39
@27 never too soon.
Posted by gloomy gus on November 9, 2010 at 5:17 PM
40
Ew
Posted by Peter F on November 9, 2010 at 5:31 PM
41
@17- Pretty much every straight woman I've ever gotten close enough with to get a real answer to that has been much more kinky. But there's probably something about me that attracts kinkier women. Probably the leash.
Posted by dwight moody on November 9, 2010 at 5:33 PM
42
I suppose Jack McGeorge is not exactly a celebrity. He was part of Hans Blix's Iraq-WMD-inspector team. Anyone remember when the Washington Post outed him as a leader in the BDSM community (actually, he wasn't trying to hide anything), and he offered his resignation, but Hans Blix wouldn't accept it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_McGeor…
Posted by David Nixon on November 9, 2010 at 5:44 PM
Canuck 43
Uh, yeah Dan, I'm pretty sure I had a crush on Keanu before you did, so I *call* that he is straight...and fit:

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:hvpyw…
Posted by Canuck on November 9, 2010 at 6:21 PM
44
Boy George chains up prostitutes against their will in his apartment.

George Michael is quite verbose about his penchant for anonymous public toilet sex.
Posted by sfdj on November 9, 2010 at 7:22 PM
kaloi 45
I think it depends on what you consider kinky. What exactly is the cut off between kink and not? What one person would consider kinky another would say is just "normal". Having said this, honestly do we need famous people babbling on and on about what they do in the bedroom?
Posted by kaloi on November 9, 2010 at 7:28 PM
46
HELLO? Lady Gaga, anyone?!? She wants your bad romance AND your bowlcut leather-clad dancing nazis!! That's about as kinky as you get.

Also, I can totally see getting all those injuries from sex. I cracked a rib from missionary, and got an infection from a small cut on my knee from from doggy-style in a barn. If I can do it, surely kinksters can too.
Posted by Caralain on November 9, 2010 at 7:58 PM
47
ummm R Kelly not only pisses on young to maybe too young girls, he makes videos about it that get leaked and seen all over the place...
Posted by econoline on November 9, 2010 at 8:09 PM
48
One of the "celebs" on some VH1 reality show a few years ago came out as being really active in her local BDSM scene... Sheesh... I can't think of who it was, and it was too long ago to be easily googleable. Was is Joan Jett? I think the show was The Surreal Life...

Jane Wiedlin!
Posted by lblah on November 9, 2010 at 9:50 PM
49
Kenneth Anger claims James Dean was a devotee of S&M in his second "Hollywood Bablyon" book.

To wit, "He had gotten into beating, boots, belts, and bondage scenes. Regulars at The Club tagged him with a singular moniker: the Human Ashtray. When stoned, he would bare his chests and beg for his masters to stub out their butts on it. After his fatal crash, the coroner made note of the, 'constellation of keratoid scars" on Jimmy's torso."

Posted by stuck in boston http://www.nothing.com on November 9, 2010 at 10:50 PM
50
Also the "Onward Christian Soldier" guy has got to be Sean William Scott, the dude is straight (know a chick who dated him) but has been rumored to enjoy hardcore anal penetration, rumors that I don't think originated from that wonderful scene in "Road Trip".
Posted by stuck in boston http://www.nothing.com on November 9, 2010 at 10:56 PM
Metricula 51
As a BDSM practitioner if you're getting hurt like that by accident all the time then you're doing something wrong. My top just wants to hurt me, not injure me. There's a big difference!

Posted by Metricula http://metricula.com on November 10, 2010 at 7:10 AM
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@44- The only times I've seen George Michael talk about cottaging he said it wasn't really his thing, but when that cop showed him his erection, he felt like it was only polite to let the cop see his dick. Then he got arrested, so now he doesn't show his dick to just anyone any more.
Posted by dwight moody on November 10, 2010 at 10:59 AM
53
@16 oooooooowwww.... sadface
Posted by new york state of mind on November 10, 2010 at 11:28 AM
54
Can any of the Buttle Buddies tell us anything interesting?
Posted by vennominon on November 10, 2010 at 5:10 PM
55
Umm...Rihanna? Her new song "S&M" says it all. Love her
Posted by Dan3318 on November 11, 2010 at 3:19 PM
56
Loved, loved, *loved* this article. And while on the whole I'd agree that being kinky is not the same as being gay, I'd like to point out that in some instances, it's strikingly similar.

For example: Some folks are hard-wired to be kinky (I know this--I am one). Some are hard-wired to be gay. In either case of hard-wiredness, it is not that person's choice (I didn't choose to have submissive tendencies). It's how they are. And, obviously, it affects how they pursue relationships and who they pursue them with.

For me, part of my kink *is* WHO I love. I am not able to fall in love with a non-dominant man. Ive tried--many, many times. It never worked out too well. I always felt like there was a piece--a BIG piece--missing from the relationship. I felt like such men couldn't understand me no matter how hard they tried. I eventually gave up pursuing non-dominant and/or vanilla men, knowing that no amount of effort would ever make it work for me. I'm not gay, but I have to imagine that if a gay person tried to date someone of the opposite gender, this is exactly how they'd feel, too--completely unfulfilled.

I do not love based on who can spank me the hardest or whose kinks are the most extreme. I love based on who the person is, how his dominant side works with mine. We could be having physically vanilla sex, and yet mentally it's not vanilla at all. The feelings that my current significant other, a dominant man, brings out in me are nothing like what any vanilla or non-dominant man has ever or could ever extract from me. These feelings happen no matter what we're doing--eating dinner, watching TV, or ****ing the hell out of each other. And I know these feelings would not happen were he not dominant--if that hard-wired submissive part of my brain didn't fit perfectly with that hard-wired dominant part of his brain.

In instances like these, I do believe that kinky people and gay people can often love in the same ways--and that in many instances of being kinky, it often IS who you love as opposed to how you love.
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