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News & ArtsTuesday, October 26, 2010
Homo / Religion Tony Perkins, Vile Piece of Shit, Opens His Foul Mouth
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 2:48 PM
Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council tells NPR how we can stop gay kids from killing themselves:
"There's no correlation between inacceptance of homosexuality and depression and suicide," he says. Rather, Perkins says, there is another factor that leads kids to kill themselves. "These young people who identify as gay or lesbian, we know from the social science that they have a higher propensity to depression or suicide because of that internal conflict." Homosexuality is "abnormal," he says, and kids know it, which leads them to despair. That's why he wants to confront gay activism in public schools. For example, his group supports the Day of Truth, when Christian high schoolers make their case that homosexuality is a sin.
So all those gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender teenagers out there who are growing up in small towns and rural areas in Indiana and Texas and Wisconsin and California just aren't hearing enough about homosexuality being a sin. It looks like American Christians have really dropped the ball here—I mean, when was the last time an evangelical leader took time away from visiting the sick, feeding the hungry, and housing the homeless to get out there and condemn homosexuality where the kids could hear him?
So now we know—courtesy of NPR—why so many LGBT kids are killing themselves: American Christians just aren't anti-gay enough.
UPDATE: Hello, NPR? Bishop Sprong would like to have a few words with you:
In my personal life, I will no longer listen to televised debates conducted by "fair-minded" channels that seek to give "both sides" of this issue "equal time." I am aware that these stations no longer give equal time to the advocates of treating women as if they are the property of men or to the advocates of reinstating either segregation or slavery, despite the fact that when these evil institutions were coming to an end the Bible was still being quoted frequently on each of these subjects. It is time for the media to announce that there are no longer two sides to the issue of full humanity for gay and lesbian people.
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Geeze, Perkins needs to come out of the closet, already.
And wait, aren't the batshit conservatives trying to defund NPR? Why, when they'll spread this kind of crap so happily?
And wait, aren't the batshit conservatives trying to defund NPR? Why, when they'll spread this kind of crap so happily?
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So is this NPR's latest effort to assert themselves as a non-liberal, balanced news organization after last weeks firing? This is what the public gets for NPR telling both sides of the argument?
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Are there any studies out there that show the rates of gay teen suicides vs. straight teen suicides in other countries? Particularly those that are more accepting of homosexuality and/or less religious? Would be interesting to see that analysis, if quality data is available.
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Blarg. If Tony Perkins were really acting on a Christian conscience, he wouldn't have time to persecute anyone.
Real Christians wouldn't participate in his "day of truth". Time to make sure as many high school kids know that as possible.
Real Christians wouldn't participate in his "day of truth". Time to make sure as many high school kids know that as possible.
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All the gay teens should just start roiding and learning mixed martial arts.
First christian that opens his mouth gets his faced stomped in. The rest of the school will adjust their behavior accordingly.
See, violence does solve problems!
I would have made a great gay teenager. Except for the fucking other dudes part.
First christian that opens his mouth gets his faced stomped in. The rest of the school will adjust their behavior accordingly.
See, violence does solve problems!
I would have made a great gay teenager. Except for the fucking other dudes part.
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For several years, covering the Louisiana legislature, I had to watch this contemptible scumbag trot his lying, hypocritical ass past my desk as he got up to spew some platitudinous garbage about good Christian this and moral that. There were times when the impulse to bring a baseball bat with me to work was hard to resist.
That was the last straw regarding me giving any more money to NPR. If they feel the need to include this asswipe in ANY discussion about homosexuality or gay rights, they can do it without my money.
That was the last straw regarding me giving any more money to NPR. If they feel the need to include this asswipe in ANY discussion about homosexuality or gay rights, they can do it without my money.
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Also, this doesn't account for kids who are not GLBT, but who are bullied for it to the point of suicide anyway. According to Perkin's "logic" that wouldn't happen... but it does. I can't believe NPR caved to this batshit wanker. Good call on the update.
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@3 Well, I saw this report the other day:
Family Rejection as a Predictor of Negative Health Outcomes in White and Latino Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Young Adults
PEDIATRICS Vol. 123 No. 1 January 2009, pp. 346-352 (doi:10.1542/peds.2007-3524)
The survey was administered to a sample of 224 white and
Latino self-identified lesbian, gay, and bisexual young adults, aged 21 to 25, recruited
through diverse venues and organizations. Participants completed self-report questionnaires
by using either computer-assisted or pencil-and-paper surveys.
RESULTS. Higher rates of family rejection were significantly associated with poorer health
outcomes. On the basis of odds ratios, lesbian, gay, and bisexual young adults who
reported higher levels of family rejection during adolescence were 8.4 times more likely
to report having attempted suicide, 5.9 times more likely to report high levels of
depression, 3.4 times more likely to use illegal drugs, and 3.4 times more likely to report
having engaged in unprotected sexual intercourse compared with peers from families
that reported no or low levels of family rejection.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg…
via
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10…
Family Rejection as a Predictor of Negative Health Outcomes in White and Latino Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Young Adults
PEDIATRICS Vol. 123 No. 1 January 2009, pp. 346-352 (doi:10.1542/peds.2007-3524)
The survey was administered to a sample of 224 white and
Latino self-identified lesbian, gay, and bisexual young adults, aged 21 to 25, recruited
through diverse venues and organizations. Participants completed self-report questionnaires
by using either computer-assisted or pencil-and-paper surveys.
RESULTS. Higher rates of family rejection were significantly associated with poorer health
outcomes. On the basis of odds ratios, lesbian, gay, and bisexual young adults who
reported higher levels of family rejection during adolescence were 8.4 times more likely
to report having attempted suicide, 5.9 times more likely to report high levels of
depression, 3.4 times more likely to use illegal drugs, and 3.4 times more likely to report
having engaged in unprotected sexual intercourse compared with peers from families
that reported no or low levels of family rejection.
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg…
via
http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10…
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They fire Juan Williams for voicing racist opinions on Fox and then allow Tony Perkins to tout his bigoted bullshit on their own f'ing network? Awesome. Now they're going to turn into a weak parody of CNN.
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NPR's not my cup of tea, but I don't see how it's bad they use a Perkins quote to point up his own cruel ignorance. The whole point of the article's about people realizing attitudes like his cause bullying. As do many news outlets -- ahem -- they chose Perky cause he's a reliably nasty quote, the famously wormy worstest, properly reviled by the tote bag pledge drive stalwarts.
After his crap quote they close with three xtians who don't buy his shit for a moment. So far so good.
The part I hate is the very end, when after a lovely close on a mother's grief some editor fuckwad inserted this:
After his crap quote they close with three xtians who don't buy his shit for a moment. So far so good.
The part I hate is the very end, when after a lovely close on a mother's grief some editor fuckwad inserted this:
And yet, despite the shifting views and alliances, there is an ongoing dilemma: How do parents and schools protect vulnerable kids without turning schools into a battleground for the culture wars?That's the hemming and hawing NPR I know and avoid right there...
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Just read this, and substitute Perkins for Dungy. You'll feel better.
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010…
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2010…
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"internal conflict"? Oh, Tony, please.
Have you ever heard the expression, "It's all over except for the shouting"?
O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
Have you ever heard the expression, "It's all over except for the shouting"?
O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
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Damn Right, Bishop Sprong !! Amen to that. Equal rights and civil liberties are not two sided issues. You're eith for equal rights and treatment for EVERYONE or you're a facist, asshat, douchebag - take your pick.
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And NPR still asks/begs for public donations, when this is what they're spewing into the airwaves?
Wow.
Wow.
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Again, this raises the true issue that Americans need to be debating every day: Is Christianity a force for evil in the world? I feel Tony Perkins, and the rest of the Christian Mafia, should be called by the media on a daily basis to defend their religion.
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To quote Bishop Spong: "It is time for the media to announce that there are no longer two sides to the issue of full humanity for gay and lesbian people. There is no way that justice for homosexual people can be compromised any longer."
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BTW, Miss Perkins - homosexuality is only abnormal if you are completely heterosexual. If a person is homosexual, then homosexuality is normal and natural. Shove your bigoted judgements up yer arse...
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@21 -- generally not a good idea to insult someone by implying they are female, mkay? Just sayin'
I'm afraid NPR is falling into a Republican trap, here. After all, the Republicans keep trying to defund NPR, with the latest call coming in *today* from our very own special DeMint, to completely defund NPR. At the same time, under the whole stupid "fair and balanced" schtick which more and more of us (but not the news outlets themselves) are realizing is a crappy trap, NPR is enraging liberals by falling into the "two sides" fallacy.
Fuck, my head spins.
I'm afraid NPR is falling into a Republican trap, here. After all, the Republicans keep trying to defund NPR, with the latest call coming in *today* from our very own special DeMint, to completely defund NPR. At the same time, under the whole stupid "fair and balanced" schtick which more and more of us (but not the news outlets themselves) are realizing is a crappy trap, NPR is enraging liberals by falling into the "two sides" fallacy.
Fuck, my head spins.
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Cowboy @6 speaks for me as well. Perkins seems to be all over the place here in Louisiana. I've taken to writing to the TV and radio stations that air his crap, or any commerical featuring his crap, on a regular basis. Nothing ever comes of it of course, because money speaks and I have none...but I feel better about it.
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@13 At no point in that article do they call Perkins out on his bullshit. They present his argument as though it was a legitimate point of view. In fact, they spend a lot of time presenting the point of view that the sexual orientation thing should be taken out of anti-bullying legislation because that would normalize homosexuality for kids in schools. Horror of horrors.
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@23 Ding ding ding. What really pisses me off is that I just spent a lot of time listening to them during that fucking pledge drive telling me how they were the only objective news source committed to journalistic integrity left.
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@25, to illustrate xtians coming to grips with the harm they do NPR put in a range of their responses from the asinine to the kinda sweet. After the patently asinine Perkins they got Throckmorton backing off from him, then Mohler and finally Walker dismissing his kind of thing altogether.
The article's got problems of focus and wishywashyhood as usual with NPR, but I can't figure how anyone could come away thinking overall, hey, NPR loves Perky.
The article's got problems of focus and wishywashyhood as usual with NPR, but I can't figure how anyone could come away thinking overall, hey, NPR loves Perky.
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@27 My objection isn't that they seem to love him, it's that if they consider themselves to be a credible news source, they shouldn't be giving him a forum. It's what Dan's been saying, about how you don't have to always present a dichotomy to be considered objective. Particularly when this particular end of the dichotomy is such a vile, hateful douchenozzle.
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@3: Unfortunately, a beloved fundy talking point is precisely that. "Look at the Netherlands or Sweden. That's your librul secular homo heaven on earth -- and they have just as much suicide among gay... I mean teens with abnormal tendencies." I wish I knew a good response to that. I don't know what the statistics are or what other factors may be in play.
@Dan (and others): it's Bishop SPONG -- no "R".
@Dan (and others): it's Bishop SPONG -- no "R".
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"When I get on a plane and see someone clearly identifying themselves as Muslim, I get scared. Wait, that's not cool? Ok, I'll try again.
"When I get on a plane and the pilot clearly identifies herself as female, I get scared. What, again!? Ok, fine, let's do another take.
"When I get on a plane and I see a child who seems a little femmy, I get scared for our future if I don't tell them they're an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. We good? Sweet, break for lunch people."
"When I get on a plane and the pilot clearly identifies herself as female, I get scared. What, again!? Ok, fine, let's do another take.
"When I get on a plane and I see a child who seems a little femmy, I get scared for our future if I don't tell them they're an abomination in the eyes of the Lord. We good? Sweet, break for lunch people."
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This is what's known among some journalists as the "On the other hand, Mr. Hitler contends..." school of objectivity.
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@30, but it's a story specifically about the range of xtian views on campaigns to stop antigay bullying, so Perkins makes perfect sense to include as one extreme. This is not by their news reporters, it's by their Religion Correspondent - warning some xtians are trying to fend off anti-bullying campaigns, she notes that other xtians are all for them, even leading them.
Yes, Perkins is briefly held up (as the famous-for-decades antigay media spinmeister he is) to specifically show how xtians Throckmorton, Mohler and Walker dismiss his ideas. The takeaway is that Perkins and his ilk are resisting but will fail to keep other xtians from embracing anti-bullying campaigns.
NPR doesn't push through anywhere near as far as Dan's helped us get to, but I still think it's not bad for a gunshy and chronically underfunded public radio network.
@31, Lurleen did a debunk at Pam's House Blend back in February - in short, the study the fundies love to mis-cite was about Danes, not the Dutch, and crucially was about grownups, not teens. Here's the link:
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/1529…
Yes, Perkins is briefly held up (as the famous-for-decades antigay media spinmeister he is) to specifically show how xtians Throckmorton, Mohler and Walker dismiss his ideas. The takeaway is that Perkins and his ilk are resisting but will fail to keep other xtians from embracing anti-bullying campaigns.
NPR doesn't push through anywhere near as far as Dan's helped us get to, but I still think it's not bad for a gunshy and chronically underfunded public radio network.
@31, Lurleen did a debunk at Pam's House Blend back in February - in short, the study the fundies love to mis-cite was about Danes, not the Dutch, and crucially was about grownups, not teens. Here's the link:
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/1529…
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@31, @34
Perkins' op-ed in the Washington Post did point to a study from the Netherlands.
But the discussion in the article contradicts Perkins' point: harassment goes hand in hand with feeling bad (surprise!).
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content…
"The effects of social factors on the mental health status of homosexual men and women have been well documented in studies, which found a relationship between experiences of stigma, prejudice, and discrimination and mental health status. Furthermore, controlling for psychological predictors of present distress seems to eliminate differences in mental health status between heterosexual and homosexual adolescents."
The same point is made in the study I linked to above @9.
Surely the Dutch findings aren't surprising. After all, even after you get legal equality, social prejudice remains. Gay-bashings, etc., still happen in the Netherlands.
And @34, Perkins makes a factually false claim about social science.
No journalist, including a religion correspondent, should let someone get away with that.
Perkins' op-ed in the Washington Post did point to a study from the Netherlands.
But the discussion in the article contradicts Perkins' point: harassment goes hand in hand with feeling bad (surprise!).
http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content…
"The effects of social factors on the mental health status of homosexual men and women have been well documented in studies, which found a relationship between experiences of stigma, prejudice, and discrimination and mental health status. Furthermore, controlling for psychological predictors of present distress seems to eliminate differences in mental health status between heterosexual and homosexual adolescents."
The same point is made in the study I linked to above @9.
Surely the Dutch findings aren't surprising. After all, even after you get legal equality, social prejudice remains. Gay-bashings, etc., still happen in the Netherlands.
And @34, Perkins makes a factually false claim about social science.
No journalist, including a religion correspondent, should let someone get away with that.
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How does Tony Perkins know ANYTHING about what it's like to be gay? Oh wait...
But seriously, I really think it's important to engage this toad and not try to deny him a platform. Answer the statements, refute him, persuade the undecided, and win the war. Don't throw a hissy fit and try to silence people. He's an idiot. Let him speak - he proves it himself.
But seriously, I really think it's important to engage this toad and not try to deny him a platform. Answer the statements, refute him, persuade the undecided, and win the war. Don't throw a hissy fit and try to silence people. He's an idiot. Let him speak - he proves it himself.
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did anyone actually listen to the article? They pretty much debunked what he said a minute after he said it.
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@36, thanks for pointing out the separate Dutch study - Pam's Alvin McEwen covered that one here two years ago:
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/8952…
I dont' see how the NPR reporter can be accused of letting Perkins "get away" with his factually false claim - she has another xtian call bullshit on it in the very next sentence:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/8952…
I dont' see how the NPR reporter can be accused of letting Perkins "get away" with his factually false claim - she has another xtian call bullshit on it in the very next sentence:
But Warren Throckmorton, an evangelical who teaches psychology at Grove City College in Pennsylvania, says there is a problem with this argument: Many of the kids who commit suicide aren't gay.
"The common element is not gay identification," he says. "The common element is anti-gay harassment. And so it isn't a matter of them being gay and unhappy. It's a matter of others tormenting them with gay slurs."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story…
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@40 Sure, straight kids get hit with homophobia too, but another real problem with Perkins "argument" isn't logical, it's factual /empirical:
LIE: "There's no correlation between inacceptance of homosexuality and depression and suicide," he says. (Actually, there is. See, for instance, @9)
And he has the gall to say we are twisting the facts.
LIE: "There's no correlation between inacceptance of homosexuality and depression and suicide," he says. (Actually, there is. See, for instance, @9)
And he has the gall to say we are twisting the facts.
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@37, nobody's trying to silence him. But there's nothing saying NPR has to spread his remarks any further than they can reach with his press releases to his followers.
@40, there's a big difference. What Haggerty was saying, in effect, is "Look - there's perspective A, and perspective B" with no suggestion that one might just be a more defensible position (or that the other position lacks any credence at all).
To illustrate the point: If this is "appropriate", then the next time NPR does a story on human trafficking, I expect to hear interviews with the slave traders talking about how big an economic impact their business has and how it brings happiness to the overwhelming majority of their customers. Spong has it right: the time is over for not calling bigots out on their bullshit, to their face. Perkins is a vile, evil little gnome of a man who should be banned as a spokesman for any viewpoint other than "Would you like some more iced tea with that meal?" in a restaurant, and any media outlet who would use him as anything but as an example of the bigot that he is should be boycotted.
@40, there's a big difference. What Haggerty was saying, in effect, is "Look - there's perspective A, and perspective B" with no suggestion that one might just be a more defensible position (or that the other position lacks any credence at all).
To illustrate the point: If this is "appropriate", then the next time NPR does a story on human trafficking, I expect to hear interviews with the slave traders talking about how big an economic impact their business has and how it brings happiness to the overwhelming majority of their customers. Spong has it right: the time is over for not calling bigots out on their bullshit, to their face. Perkins is a vile, evil little gnome of a man who should be banned as a spokesman for any viewpoint other than "Would you like some more iced tea with that meal?" in a restaurant, and any media outlet who would use him as anything but as an example of the bigot that he is should be boycotted.
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@42, I see what you mean, but think you might be discounting the extent to which this is freaking Weekend Edition. The program this was written for doesn't yank their listeners around as a rule - to NPR, the editorial decision to place Throckmorton's perfect logical debunk right after Perkins' nonsense conveys to a Weekend Edition listener the same message "PERKINS IS A SHIT" does here on Slog.
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I certainly thought that Perkins was being held up as an example of particularly vicious idiocy. Everybody else on the segment talked about how bad the homophobic parts of bullying are, whether or not the target is actually gay.
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What a gutless, spineless, compassionless asshole. I really can't believe that so many people fall hook, line, and sinker for the "Oh I speak for god and these people are abominations and undeserving of his love and mercy" crap. It's hard to conceive that anyone with a heart and soul could act so controvert to what their "good" book supposedly teaches.
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@43 Journalists shouldn't publicize an untruth only to debunk it. Read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
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so sorry Tony had to be the one to break the news to you Danny.
There IS no correlation between inacceptance of homosexuality and depression and suicide.
Homosexuals is secular humanist societies that are totally gaga over the gay kill themselves just as much as homosexuals in small Texas towns.
Thats a big fat throbbing piece of Science for you, Danny.
Perhaps next times your trapped in a lonely hotel without a credulous fratboy available you could shove IT up your ass...
There IS no correlation between inacceptance of homosexuality and depression and suicide.
Homosexuals is secular humanist societies that are totally gaga over the gay kill themselves just as much as homosexuals in small Texas towns.
Thats a big fat throbbing piece of Science for you, Danny.
Perhaps next times your trapped in a lonely hotel without a credulous fratboy available you could shove IT up your ass...
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The Truth doesn't fear being compared to Bullshit Lies;
it shines in the comparison.
BullShit Lies like Danny peddles, however, wither in the presence of the Truth.
Danny's sputtering potty mouth crudeness is not an answer to the factual material Perkins presented.
But it all he has to respond with....
it shines in the comparison.
BullShit Lies like Danny peddles, however, wither in the presence of the Truth.
Danny's sputtering potty mouth crudeness is not an answer to the factual material Perkins presented.
But it all he has to respond with....
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If schools can't help kids, maybe parents can step in to help their kids. Here's two ways that they can:
How to File a Restraining Order Against a Minor
http://www.ehow.com/how_2033885_file-res…
How to Press Charges After an Assault:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5077110_press-ch…
How to File a Restraining Order Against a Minor
http://www.ehow.com/how_2033885_file-res…
How to Press Charges After an Assault:
http://www.ehow.com/how_5077110_press-ch…
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But wait, I heard on FOX that firing Juan Williams proved NPR was a Leftist propaganda outlet. Now Leftists like Dan and some radical bishop have a problem with them too? What to believe... If only I possessed some sort of capacity for questioning and critical analysis, without being directly told what to think about things. *Sigh* I can dream...
The ending line IS idiotic: schools ARE and have always been a battleground for the "Culture Wars" or, I as like to call it, "Civil Rights Movement". Anyway, NPR appears to only be holding Perkins up as an example of idiotic Biblical bigotry. The part I find problematic is the unexamined description of the "Neutrality Policy", and the unexamined statements by Barb Anderson of the Minnesota Family Council that normalizing homosexuality is not neutral but is advocacy, when, in fact, normalizing heterosexuality and not homosexuality is hetero advocacy and not neutrality.
"There's no correlation between inacceptance [sic] of homosexuality and depression and suicide..." Huh. Christians eat their young live! See, I can make baseless, untrue assertions too! He's absolutely correct in stating that homosexuality is "abnormal" (well, non-normative) and that's what causes kids despair. Of course, we can make it no longer non-normative, which will end the despair, which will stop the suicides. And he's also correct that homosexuality is a "sin" within his religious framework, "sin" being an artificial construct of said framework. His problem is that he's naturalizing these as things that exist objectively, outside of a cultural framework. His problem is that he sees the problem as one of gay kids not conforming to what he wants the worlds to be, as opposed to his unrealistic expectations of what the world should be and unreal view of what it is. So close, Tony, so close.
More...
The ending line IS idiotic: schools ARE and have always been a battleground for the "Culture Wars" or, I as like to call it, "Civil Rights Movement". Anyway, NPR appears to only be holding Perkins up as an example of idiotic Biblical bigotry. The part I find problematic is the unexamined description of the "Neutrality Policy", and the unexamined statements by Barb Anderson of the Minnesota Family Council that normalizing homosexuality is not neutral but is advocacy, when, in fact, normalizing heterosexuality and not homosexuality is hetero advocacy and not neutrality.
"There's no correlation between inacceptance [sic] of homosexuality and depression and suicide..." Huh. Christians eat their young live! See, I can make baseless, untrue assertions too! He's absolutely correct in stating that homosexuality is "abnormal" (well, non-normative) and that's what causes kids despair. Of course, we can make it no longer non-normative, which will end the despair, which will stop the suicides. And he's also correct that homosexuality is a "sin" within his religious framework, "sin" being an artificial construct of said framework. His problem is that he's naturalizing these as things that exist objectively, outside of a cultural framework. His problem is that he sees the problem as one of gay kids not conforming to what he wants the worlds to be, as opposed to his unrealistic expectations of what the world should be and unreal view of what it is. So close, Tony, so close.
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@49: Cite your bitch-ass sources, you ugly-ass shithead motherfucker.
That potty-mouth enough for you?
That potty-mouth enough for you?
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In New Zealand and The Netherlands homosexuals have suicide rates the same as USA
Dan has said he has no explanation for it.
Surely American Christians' Hate&Bigotry™ is soooo strong that it smites homosexuals all over the globe?.....
In New Zealand and The Netherlands homosexuals have suicide rates the same as USA
Dan has said he has no explanation for it.
Surely American Christians' Hate&Bigotry™ is soooo strong that it smites homosexuals all over the globe?.....
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Alleged, did you not see my question? There's a reason nobody takes you seriously, you know.
@55: No idea what that is.
@55: No idea what that is.
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They don't call it The Gay for nuttin.....
Since studies were first published on homosexual youth in the 1970s and 1980s,1,2 serious health disparities3–8 have been documented among lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) adolescents compared with their heterosexual peers. Population-based and community studies have documented higher levels of suicide attempts,9–11 substance use,3,4,6 symptoms of depression and mental health problems,12,13and sexual health risks, including risk for sexually transmitted infections, HIV,3,14,15 and adolescent pregnancy.16–18 Similarly, population-based studies have reported high levels of negative health outcomes for LGB adults compared with heterosexuals.19–22
They don't call it The Gay for nuttin.....
Since studies were first published on homosexual youth in the 1970s and 1980s,1,2 serious health disparities3–8 have been documented among lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) adolescents compared with their heterosexual peers. Population-based and community studies have documented higher levels of suicide attempts,9–11 substance use,3,4,6 symptoms of depression and mental health problems,12,13and sexual health risks, including risk for sexually transmitted infections, HIV,3,14,15 and adolescent pregnancy.16–18 Similarly, population-based studies have reported high levels of negative health outcomes for LGB adults compared with heterosexuals.19–22
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ALL the surveyed individuals were homosexual.
And "Young adults who expressed interest in the study were enrolled."
Blacks were excluded from the study. Why?
" More than half (54.7%) reported at least 1 substance use–related problem, and 40.6% reported at least 1 lifetime suicide attempt."
HALF?
This group is not representative of ANYTHING....
perhaps you girls are unaware of the difference between "research" and "advocacy"....
ALL the surveyed individuals were homosexual.
And "Young adults who expressed interest in the study were enrolled."
Blacks were excluded from the study. Why?
" More than half (54.7%) reported at least 1 substance use–related problem, and 40.6% reported at least 1 lifetime suicide attempt."
HALF?
This group is not representative of ANYTHING....
perhaps you girls are unaware of the difference between "research" and "advocacy"....
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@59: The article then goes on to say that these risks have been positively linked to societal rejection and homophobia. Bitch.
@60: It's perfectly normal to sample only from certain populations, so long as there is a rationale for doing so. (Not sampling from the black population was perfectly justified in that the prevalence of substance abuse would constitute a confounding variable.) Learn2Statistics, you ignorant ass.
@60: It's perfectly normal to sample only from certain populations, so long as there is a rationale for doing so. (Not sampling from the black population was perfectly justified in that the prevalence of substance abuse would constitute a confounding variable.) Learn2Statistics, you ignorant ass.
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The study is funded by The California Endowment, which describes itself as an advocacy group and states
"Advocacy as a strategy for the nonprofit sector has become increasingly widespread. Foundations are looking to fund more of this type of work; nonprofits are learning how to harness its power to achieve their mission"
"Research" is commonly advocacy in disguise.
The study is funded by The California Endowment, which describes itself as an advocacy group and states
"Advocacy as a strategy for the nonprofit sector has become increasingly widespread. Foundations are looking to fund more of this type of work; nonprofits are learning how to harness its power to achieve their mission"
"Research" is commonly advocacy in disguise.
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[quoting Perkins] "There's no correlation between inacceptance of homosexuality and depression and suicide" .
Well... if you won't try to prevent gay-bashing because you don't think it causes suicide, how about getting kids (and adults) to cut it out because it isn't polite and because it is fucking obnoxious! Do you have a problem with that Mr. Argumentative Talkinghead Perkins?
You want to tell me that hitting, yelling and name calling are perfectly acceptable behaviors in civil society? Hmmm? How do you justify that? And what *would* Jesus say?
Well... if you won't try to prevent gay-bashing because you don't think it causes suicide, how about getting kids (and adults) to cut it out because it isn't polite and because it is fucking obnoxious! Do you have a problem with that Mr. Argumentative Talkinghead Perkins?
You want to tell me that hitting, yelling and name calling are perfectly acceptable behaviors in civil society? Hmmm? How do you justify that? And what *would* Jesus say?
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@62: You signed yourself as "Those Who Pervert Research Go To Hell". Did you mean to type "those who research perverts" instead? Because you're the one trying to finagle the statistics into supporting your viewpoint.
@54: Oh, you! Isn't it delicious how you say shit that makes no sense and expect me to feel insulted?
@54: Oh, you! Isn't it delicious how you say shit that makes no sense and expect me to feel insulted?
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Dan if nobody airs the nutbags except for the nutbag news channels, how are good liberals going to know just how nutty they are?
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The poor Bishop knows as little about public discourse in a democracy as he does religion...
"stations no longer give equal time to the advocates of treating women as if they are the property of men or to the advocates of reinstating either segregation or slavery" because those issues are not currently discussed or challenged in our society.
If someone seriously advocated changing the laws to restore slavery or strip females of rights then media would air the sides of that conversation, and the advocates of slavery would be sent packing because their position would not stand up to scrutiny or debate.
Changing the definition of marriage IS a matter of current debate.
Half of Americans think homosexual behavior is a sin.
Majorities, some as large as 80%, have voted in 30+ states to outlaw homosexual marriage.
Voters in ZERO states have voted to legalize homosexual marriage.
And yet Savage and Spong want to shut down the debate and refuse to give the other side a chance to be heard.
When people try to steer the discussion to a rational science based examination of the actual causes of homosexual suicide (and actual useful strategies to address it) they are called Haters&Bigots and denied a chance to be heard.
Dan doesn't care about stopping homosexual suicide.
He doesn't, by his own admission, know what actually causes it.
He doesn't care what actually causes it.
He is having way too much fun using it as a club to bash religion.
Dan sees homosexual suicide victims, like abused children, as inconsequential collateral damage to be exploited and manipulated in his war on religion.
THE TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR DEBATE.
THE TRUTH ALWAYS WINS THE DEBATE.
Dan knows that.
That is why Dan is scared shitless of letting the other side be heard.....
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"stations no longer give equal time to the advocates of treating women as if they are the property of men or to the advocates of reinstating either segregation or slavery" because those issues are not currently discussed or challenged in our society.
If someone seriously advocated changing the laws to restore slavery or strip females of rights then media would air the sides of that conversation, and the advocates of slavery would be sent packing because their position would not stand up to scrutiny or debate.
Changing the definition of marriage IS a matter of current debate.
Half of Americans think homosexual behavior is a sin.
Majorities, some as large as 80%, have voted in 30+ states to outlaw homosexual marriage.
Voters in ZERO states have voted to legalize homosexual marriage.
And yet Savage and Spong want to shut down the debate and refuse to give the other side a chance to be heard.
When people try to steer the discussion to a rational science based examination of the actual causes of homosexual suicide (and actual useful strategies to address it) they are called Haters&Bigots and denied a chance to be heard.
Dan doesn't care about stopping homosexual suicide.
He doesn't, by his own admission, know what actually causes it.
He doesn't care what actually causes it.
He is having way too much fun using it as a club to bash religion.
Dan sees homosexual suicide victims, like abused children, as inconsequential collateral damage to be exploited and manipulated in his war on religion.
THE TRUTH DOES NOT FEAR DEBATE.
THE TRUTH ALWAYS WINS THE DEBATE.
Dan knows that.
That is why Dan is scared shitless of letting the other side be heard.....
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@9
naughty girl.
you omitted the part about homosexual teens getting pregnant more than heterosexuals....
WTF?
"Since studies were first published on homosexual youth in the 1970s and 1980s serious health disparities have been documented among lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) adolescents compared with their heterosexual peers. Population-based and community studies have documented higher levels of suicide attempts, substance use, symptoms of depression and mental health problems, and sexual health risks, including risk for sexually transmitted infections, HIV, and adolescent PREGNANCY"
naughty girl.
you omitted the part about homosexual teens getting pregnant more than heterosexuals....
WTF?
"Since studies were first published on homosexual youth in the 1970s and 1980s serious health disparities have been documented among lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) adolescents compared with their heterosexual peers. Population-based and community studies have documented higher levels of suicide attempts, substance use, symptoms of depression and mental health problems, and sexual health risks, including risk for sexually transmitted infections, HIV, and adolescent PREGNANCY"
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Dan,
Did you know that studies show homosexual teens are up to 10X as likely to be involved in pregnancy (pregnant or fathered child) that heterosexual teens?
How are homosexual teens getting pregnant and impregnating?
Is there something about "Anal Sex, Oral Sex, GAY SEX!" that you haven't been sharing?
Or is it possible that a lot of kids who are lured to "out" themselves (by "supportive" adults with a vested interest in expanding the homosexual population) are actually not gay, but once outed, have to way out and resort to suicide.
Because, as you remind them, after coming out; "you can tell people you're no longer gay but no one has to believe you..."
Weren't those your exact words to the teen who asked, Dan?
We wonder if HE committed suicide?....
What is YOUR explanation for why "homosexual" teens are more involved in pregnancy than heterosexual teens?
Did you know that studies show homosexual teens are up to 10X as likely to be involved in pregnancy (pregnant or fathered child) that heterosexual teens?
How are homosexual teens getting pregnant and impregnating?
Is there something about "Anal Sex, Oral Sex, GAY SEX!" that you haven't been sharing?
Or is it possible that a lot of kids who are lured to "out" themselves (by "supportive" adults with a vested interest in expanding the homosexual population) are actually not gay, but once outed, have to way out and resort to suicide.
Because, as you remind them, after coming out; "you can tell people you're no longer gay but no one has to believe you..."
Weren't those your exact words to the teen who asked, Dan?
We wonder if HE committed suicide?....
What is YOUR explanation for why "homosexual" teens are more involved in pregnancy than heterosexual teens?
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from the journal "Pediatrics":
"Within these three cohorts of BC high school students more than a decade apart, the evidence is clear: lesbian and gay teens in British Columbia are at significantly higher risk for pregnancy involvement during their teen years than their heterosexual peers, with odds of 2 to 7 times the rate of heterosexual students’ pregnancy involvement. This is similar to disparities in teen pregnancy involvement for sexual minority youth that have been documented in other population-based surveys in the U.S."
Oh, Canada?!
"Within these three cohorts of BC high school students more than a decade apart, the evidence is clear: lesbian and gay teens in British Columbia are at significantly higher risk for pregnancy involvement during their teen years than their heterosexual peers, with odds of 2 to 7 times the rate of heterosexual students’ pregnancy involvement. This is similar to disparities in teen pregnancy involvement for sexual minority youth that have been documented in other population-based surveys in the U.S."
Oh, Canada?!
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@60 & 70, did you get tired of all your unregistered comments being ignored, or did you just remember your password?
Dan has addressed the issue of gay teens and pregnancy in the past, particularly the pressure that some gay teens feel to either "experiment" or "prove" that they're not gay, resulting in pregnancies and dangerous behaviors.
Of course you'd never consider it possible that some people really are born gay, would you? It's easier to concoct conspiracy theories about "'supportive' adults with a vested interest in expanding the homosexual population".
While I'm glad that you're using a legitimate source--the journal Pediatrics you forgot to cite the actual issue you're quoting from. Or is there additional information in that article that you don't want the rest of us to read?
Dan has addressed the issue of gay teens and pregnancy in the past, particularly the pressure that some gay teens feel to either "experiment" or "prove" that they're not gay, resulting in pregnancies and dangerous behaviors.
Of course you'd never consider it possible that some people really are born gay, would you? It's easier to concoct conspiracy theories about "'supportive' adults with a vested interest in expanding the homosexual population".
While I'm glad that you're using a legitimate source--the journal Pediatrics you forgot to cite the actual issue you're quoting from. Or is there additional information in that article that you don't want the rest of us to read?
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10X?
Really?
Not as easy as concocting conspiracy theories about ChristianHaters&Bigots to explain away homosexual mental health issues.
The first step to addressing a problem is identifying it.
Postponing that sometimes unpleasant look in the mirror only postpones the point of improvement.
Dan has become the Gay Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson; always looking externally for blame for problems whose solution lies within.
You are welcome to follow the links in @9 as we did if you want more detail.
we are not your mommy.
10X?
Really?
Not as easy as concocting conspiracy theories about ChristianHaters&Bigots to explain away homosexual mental health issues.
The first step to addressing a problem is identifying it.
Postponing that sometimes unpleasant look in the mirror only postpones the point of improvement.
Dan has become the Gay Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson; always looking externally for blame for problems whose solution lies within.
You are welcome to follow the links in @9 as we did if you want more detail.
we are not your mommy.
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It would be quite a trick for people "born gay" (were there actually such a biological condition as "gay", that is...) to "prove" they are heterosexual. You really can't fool Mother Nature, you know.
I
It would be quite a trick for people "born gay" (were there actually such a biological condition as "gay", that is...) to "prove" they are heterosexual. You really can't fool Mother Nature, you know.
I
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No one's "concocting" Christian haters and bigots. Oh, wait, I forgot, you're actually on the side of Fred Phelps, which is why you don't see him as a "hater".
I assume you have a source for this information. Possibly it's the same source you use to "prove" that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
As for your shifting source, now The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality, again, please cite a volume and issue number. Even with advances in technology it can be hard to sift through and find a specific article in a journal that's been published since 1992.
t would be quite a trick for people "born gay" (were there actually such a biological condition as "gay", that is...) to "prove" they are heterosexual. You really can't fool Mother Nature, you know.
I assume you have a source for this information. Possibly it's the same source you use to "prove" that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
As for your shifting source, now The Canadian Journal of Human Sexuality, again, please cite a volume and issue number. Even with advances in technology it can be hard to sift through and find a specific article in a journal that's been published since 1992.
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Dan concocts a connection between religion and homosexual suicide.
One without any evidence to support it.
And covers up facts that demonstrate homosexuals in cultures that promote homosexual values kill themselves just as often as US homosexuals.
People "born gay"?
I assume you have a source for this information?
Show us yours first....
6000 years?
You don't know the troll at all, do you Rhett.
Don't make us remind you about people who ASSume...
Dan concocts a connection between religion and homosexual suicide.
One without any evidence to support it.
And covers up facts that demonstrate homosexuals in cultures that promote homosexual values kill themselves just as often as US homosexuals.
People "born gay"?
I assume you have a source for this information?
Show us yours first....
6000 years?
You don't know the troll at all, do you Rhett.
Don't make us remind you about people who ASSume...
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In November 2009, Perkins signed a statement known as the Manhattan Declaration calling on Evangelicals, Catholics and Orthodox not to comply with rules and laws permitting abortion, same-sex marriage and other matters that go against their religious consciences. With that in mind, I would like to assert my religious beliefs as a member of Punchtonyperkinsinthefaceism. Punching Tony Perkins in the face may be illegal, but not doing so would greatly displease God. I call on all fellow members to look inside their hearts, follow their consciences, and ask yourselves, "Would God want me to punch Tony Perkins in the face? Am I willing to face his wrath if I don't"? I think the answer is clear, and I think you know what you need to do.
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Here's another example of a mainline Christian bishop, who I'm sure Sprong'd find is just not anti-gay enough. It's part of the "It Gets Better Project." Go, Lutherans! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJOhjLXJm…
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You might be interested to hear of Pastor Jim Swilley, who came out to his congregation not because he got caught in a public bathroom, but because the rash of suicides amongst gay teens was just too heartbreaking.
And his congregation seems to be supporting him just fine.
And his congregation seems to be supporting him just fine.
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TONY PERKINS IS A DISEASE, HIMSELF !!!! IT ATTACHES ITSELF TO A HUMAN AND TRIES TO MAKE THEM BELIEVE THAT A HOMOSEXUAL IS BAD AND GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL. THIS TONY PERKINS DISEASE WAS DESIGNED, BUILT, MANUFACTURED AND DISTRIBUTED BY SATAN HIMSELF, THROUGH THE SATANIC SOLDIER, TONY PERKINS. THIS SLOTH AND VILE SERPENT OF DOOM IS A CARRIER OF THE DISEASE AND WILL DO EVERYTHING IN IT'S POWER TO INFECT THE WORLD WITH IT'S HATE, SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS, JUDGMENTAL ATTITUDE AND LOW-LIFE RHETORIC. IT HIDES BEHIND THE ILLUSION THAT GOD AS IT'S SOURCE OF POWER, BUT IN REALITY IT IS A SO-CALLED CHRISTIAN AND THE STENCH FROM A VAT OF SMOLDERING BULL FECES GIVES IT STRENGTH AMONG THE MILLIONS OF IGNORANT SOULS THAT FOLLOW IT.
THE ONLY CURE FOR THIS SOUL-FATAL-DISEASE IS TO TOTALLY IGNORE THIS (AND OTHER) WORKERS OF SATAN AND TURN YOUR NOSE AND TELEVISIONS TO ANOTHER CHANNEL WHEN THIS SORRY PIECE OF SLIME SHOWS IT'S FACE....THE BEST WAY TO KILL THIS SORE ON HUMANITY, IS TO TOTALLY IGNORE IT AND CAST IT BACK TO IT'S FATHER (SATAN) AND INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE, FROM WHENCE IT CAME IN THE FECES LADEN BOWELS OF HADES !!!!!
ED OF TENNESSEE
THE ONLY CURE FOR THIS SOUL-FATAL-DISEASE IS TO TOTALLY IGNORE THIS (AND OTHER) WORKERS OF SATAN AND TURN YOUR NOSE AND TELEVISIONS TO ANOTHER CHANNEL WHEN THIS SORRY PIECE OF SLIME SHOWS IT'S FACE....THE BEST WAY TO KILL THIS SORE ON HUMANITY, IS TO TOTALLY IGNORE IT AND CAST IT BACK TO IT'S FATHER (SATAN) AND INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE, FROM WHENCE IT CAME IN THE FECES LADEN BOWELS OF HADES !!!!!
ED OF TENNESSEE
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