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News & ArtsTuesday, October 19, 2010
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This is an amazing project, fact.
On a side note, you are very very awesome for not doing what I would be doing if Hilary Clinton, Jake Shears, Zachary Quinto, etc responded to my video post....flipping out!
You are such a classy guy and I am so glad you are on our side. I really hope those words sink in for you and you feel the gratitude coming at you from your peers.
On a side note, you are very very awesome for not doing what I would be doing if Hilary Clinton, Jake Shears, Zachary Quinto, etc responded to my video post....flipping out!
You are such a classy guy and I am so glad you are on our side. I really hope those words sink in for you and you feel the gratitude coming at you from your peers.
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Let's hope this is the start of a trend where more people in political power participate in the Project.
(I apologize for the alliteration).
(I apologize for the alliteration).
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Wow...sweet! Am searching for a link to the transcript. Haven't found one yet, though there's supposed to be something on her site. I'll link it in when I find it (or if someone else does, please do -- would love to know what she says!)
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the only thing that would have made that better is if she said she is no longer opposed to gay marriage. and by 'better' i mean 'slightly less patronizing.'
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Whatever other issues I may have with Clinton, I am really impressed with her responding to this project. Great video. Way to go for getting the ball rolling on this, Dan. Keep it up.
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@9 (BEG):
"Like millions of Americans, I was saddened to hear of the recent suicides of teenagers across our country after being bullied because they were gay or because people thought they were gay. Children are particularly vulnerable to the hurt caused by discrimination and predjudice, and we’ve lost many young people over the years to suicide. These most recent deaths are a reminder that all Americans have to work harder to overcome bigotry and hatred.
"I have a message for all the young people out there who are being bullied or who feel alone and find it hard to imagine a better future. First of all, hang in there and ask for help. Your life is so important to your family, your friends, and to your country. There is so much waiting for you both personally and professionally. There are so many opportunities for you to develop your talents and make your contributions and these opportunities will increase because the story of America is the story of people coming together to tear down barriers, stand up for rights, and insist for equality, not only for themselves, but for all people. And in the process they create a community of support and solidarity that endures. Just think of the progress made by women just during my lifetime, or ethnic, racial, and religious minorities over the course of our history, and by gays and lesbians, many of whom are now free to live their lives openly and proudly.
"Through the State Department, I’m grateful every day for the work of our LGBT employees who are serving the United States as foreign service officers and civil servants here and around the world. It wasn’t long ago that these men and women would not have been able to serve openly, but today they can, because it has gotten better. And it will get better for you.
"So take heart, and have hope. And please remember that your life is valuable, and you are not alone. Many people are standing with you and sending you their thoughts, their prayers, and their strength. Count me among them. Take care of yourself.”
(partly my transcription and partly from here: http://www.examiner.com/sf-in-san-franci… )
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"Like millions of Americans, I was saddened to hear of the recent suicides of teenagers across our country after being bullied because they were gay or because people thought they were gay. Children are particularly vulnerable to the hurt caused by discrimination and predjudice, and we’ve lost many young people over the years to suicide. These most recent deaths are a reminder that all Americans have to work harder to overcome bigotry and hatred.
"I have a message for all the young people out there who are being bullied or who feel alone and find it hard to imagine a better future. First of all, hang in there and ask for help. Your life is so important to your family, your friends, and to your country. There is so much waiting for you both personally and professionally. There are so many opportunities for you to develop your talents and make your contributions and these opportunities will increase because the story of America is the story of people coming together to tear down barriers, stand up for rights, and insist for equality, not only for themselves, but for all people. And in the process they create a community of support and solidarity that endures. Just think of the progress made by women just during my lifetime, or ethnic, racial, and religious minorities over the course of our history, and by gays and lesbians, many of whom are now free to live their lives openly and proudly.
"Through the State Department, I’m grateful every day for the work of our LGBT employees who are serving the United States as foreign service officers and civil servants here and around the world. It wasn’t long ago that these men and women would not have been able to serve openly, but today they can, because it has gotten better. And it will get better for you.
"So take heart, and have hope. And please remember that your life is valuable, and you are not alone. Many people are standing with you and sending you their thoughts, their prayers, and their strength. Count me among them. Take care of yourself.”
(partly my transcription and partly from here: http://www.examiner.com/sf-in-san-franci… )
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@ 15 Newsflash genius: Hilary Clinton is Secretary of State, not president and not Secretary of Defense.
During her Democratic primary candidacy she pledged to repeal DADT if elected president.
Hilary Clinton is of the LGBT community.
During her Democratic primary candidacy she pledged to repeal DADT if elected president.
Hilary Clinton is of the LGBT community.
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Love it...like how she said "most of them" could be open - did you all see the one put up by the folks at the Oregon Shakespeare Festival, made me cry....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XISXBATI5…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XISXBATI5…
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I love this, her, and her well-earned eyepouches, but am I wrong to be a little mad she didn't say the motherfucking catch phrase?
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Holy shit.
Okay, I have been pretty ambivalent about Hillary. I didn't hate her, but I didn't particularly like her much either. Her support for LGBT rights during her campaign seemed pretty luke warm at best.
But I have to say, my admiration for her has increased a lot lately. She's made a couple of pretty strong statements of support in the State Department in the last few months… more than she had to. And she certainly didn't have to send this message. This seems like one of the most heartfelt statements I've ever seen her make.
My hat is off to you today, Hillary. Bravo.
Okay, I have been pretty ambivalent about Hillary. I didn't hate her, but I didn't particularly like her much either. Her support for LGBT rights during her campaign seemed pretty luke warm at best.
But I have to say, my admiration for her has increased a lot lately. She's made a couple of pretty strong statements of support in the State Department in the last few months… more than she had to. And she certainly didn't have to send this message. This seems like one of the most heartfelt statements I've ever seen her make.
My hat is off to you today, Hillary. Bravo.
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Dan, this is very, very important work.
You have changed lives. Not very many people in this world can say that.
I am proud that you are "ours".
You have changed lives. Not very many people in this world can say that.
I am proud that you are "ours".
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OK, still have not found a transcript, but the auto captioning is actually pretty decent on this video.
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@24 You are never wrong, gus, at least not where eye pouches and catch-phrases are concerned... :)
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I'm sorry, but this is the very first IGBP video that strikes me as pure opportunism. I've given all the celebs the benefit of the doubt--I think they are all sincere. But this just comes across as exploitative.
She's ignoring her own very personal role in combatting anti-gay bullying.
She could have mentioned her husband's anti-gay policies, like DOMA and DADT, but she didn't.
And she could have discussed what the State Department is doing to fight anti-gay violence in Uganda, Serbia, Jamaica, Iraq, etc. But she didn't.
This is pink-washing.
She's ignoring her own very personal role in combatting anti-gay bullying.
She could have mentioned her husband's anti-gay policies, like DOMA and DADT, but she didn't.
And she could have discussed what the State Department is doing to fight anti-gay violence in Uganda, Serbia, Jamaica, Iraq, etc. But she didn't.
This is pink-washing.
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Canuck, she's storing our catchphrases in her eyepouches...
@34, could be a little atonement, maybe, or are you just calling flat-out eeeeeevil on this one?
@34, could be a little atonement, maybe, or are you just calling flat-out eeeeeevil on this one?
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Sorry yourself RDM: what exactly does Hillary have to gain from this 'opportunistic' statement? Being married to the president is not the same as being president. Bill's policies were not anti-gay. The IGBP does not need nor seek apologias for past inaction, infraction or oversight. Can you imagine Dulles, Haig or Kissinger having the balls to make such a video? I'm sure all of those 'out' celebs are grateful for your doubtful benefit.
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#34 -- do you give straight people no room at all for growth? Fer cryin out loud, Bill was president more than a decade ago. I see evolution and growth, you see opportunism, and I think that's just sad.
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#36, 38, and 39. I don't think she's evil--I suppose I overstated my point of view earlier. But I think it's really problematic that she has nothing to say about DADT, DOMA, or the vicious persecution of gay people abroad shows that she hasn't made the connection between these issues and bullying.
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Oh dear that did my bruised little heart a world of good. I am a Hilary fan, even had a "Hillary's Husband For President' button way back in the day. IGBP is changing our world and the relief I feel knowing we are putting the stupid, ugly, shameful discrimination towards LBGT people behind us is making me drunk with delight.
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@42 It's not the It's Still Shitty Out There Project. It's the It Gets Better Project. She had no reason to discuss DADT or DOMA.
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She could have said that the administration is fighting DOMA and DADT and the culture of shame they create.
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Oh, wow @18 *thank you* I missed your comment the second time I posted (that's what I get for post & run). I appreciate the time you took to put that together.
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As many people have pointed out, this is all talk and no action. If Hillary had been elected, Obama would be making this very speech, and Hillary would be appealing DADT with everything she's got, instead of the other way around.
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@45, but that would be a lie. It's a bad idea to lie on camera, even when you're trying to cheer up suicidal teenagers.
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Each and every contributor to the IGBP only help spread the word to a potentially new demographic. Today it's Hillary, who knows who will contribute tomorrow?
I wouldn't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, even if one or two may have ulterior motives.
I wouldn't want to look a gift horse in the mouth, even if one or two may have ulterior motives.
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I love the project. It is true for so many not just the LGBT community but I get the point and am supportive. I like that Ms. Clinton made the statement but would ask those in the position to make the legislation etc possible to quit paying lip service and stand up already
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It's not that great, she referred to the 'target audience' as children. That's patronizing and will alienate them. Obama probably proofed her speech but she still reads a teleprompter better.
And for those pushing, she won't run again. Those of you who dogged her for Obama in 2008, that's as good as it gets. If you had voted Hillary then, Obama could have ridden her coattails as a relatively young man. Change is incremental. Slow and steady wins the race (although I personally think he's a step back in all but being the first black CiC).
And for those pushing, she won't run again. Those of you who dogged her for Obama in 2008, that's as good as it gets. If you had voted Hillary then, Obama could have ridden her coattails as a relatively young man. Change is incremental. Slow and steady wins the race (although I personally think he's a step back in all but being the first black CiC).
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I loved her video, personally, and I think Hill is going to slowly reveal how much of an ally she is and can be as the moves to end DOMA and DADT progress. To those saying she didn't say enough, I think it's worth noting (and feel free to take this with a pinch of salt) that she is a member of the executive branch, and it would probably actually be bad for the country if she looked like she was fighting with the rest of the administration. She doesn't want to come across as snide or dismissive of the collective effort -- painstakingly slow process that it is. I think she's actually working hard behind closed doors, and I hope Obama is too. That said, we should always cry out for more from them, and keep trying harder and harder to be as visible as possible. I just don't think it's a good idea to run her over the coals yet.
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I'm with #34. It's just opportunity-grabbing. Obama's lost a lot of supporters and I think she's got her eye on 2012 or 2016.
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Very nice. As for everyone comparing her favorably to Obama, do you think for an instant that she'd be saying this if it were President Clinton? No, the face would be Secretary of State Obama and we'd be cheering him and saying we should have voted for him.
There are Republicans who have come out in support of Gay equality...once they were safely out of office or not running for anything.
I'm not saying she isn't sincere, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend that she'd neccesarily be any better on these issues if she actually had any hard power over them.
There are Republicans who have come out in support of Gay equality...once they were safely out of office or not running for anything.
I'm not saying she isn't sincere, but let's not kid ourselves and pretend that she'd neccesarily be any better on these issues if she actually had any hard power over them.
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I don't care what the Hillary haters think. I love this woman, and frankly, she would have made an excellent First woman President. Hillary "literally" made it possible for a woman to be seriously considered for running for President. It sure as shit wasn't that Palin douche.
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I preface this bit of cynicism by saying that this is great and I like Hillary very much these days (she's a great SOS). But I don't believe for a second this was a personal decision (though I do believe the feelings are heartfelt). I'd bet a lot of money that the administration is aware of IGB and decided as a unit how best to respond: what is the highest level cabinet member who could participate without outcry? who should that be? what should they say? I don't believe the video is tagged "It Gets Better" and she doesn't use that exact phrase. They are acknowledging without fully embracing the project (or becoming too closely associated).
Politics. It sucks, but with the right people in power, progress is made (Obama/Clinton are among "the right people"). It helps that society is reaching a tipping point on the issue. I'm very optimistic.
Politics. It sucks, but with the right people in power, progress is made (Obama/Clinton are among "the right people"). It helps that society is reaching a tipping point on the issue. I'm very optimistic.
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@6: If the Log Cabin Republicans ever get a candidate in the race...
@10, 12: Did YOU guys forget about 8 years of Bush II as well?
@57: I DO think she'd be saying this if she were President Clinton, though I also thought President Obama would say this, suspend enforcement of DADT, not appeal Circuit Court decisions striking DADT and DOMA down, etc.
As for Bill's anti-gay policies re: signing DADT and DOMA in the first place: DADT was actually a (marginal) improvement over the earlier policy, which was to actively investigate anyone suspected of being gay and kick them out if they were, and resulted from a compromise Bill made, as Congress bypassed his directive to stop kicking gay people out of the military (in short, he actually DID what we want Obama to do, and the Republican Congress responded by passing DADT, which he singed as part of a deal to not have them pass a stronger anti-gay law and attempt a veto-override). DOMA was passed by a wide margin beyond what is needed to override a veto in both the House and Senate, so signing it was a political move designed to preserve political capital in a hostile legislative environment. Perhaps sending a message by vetoing the bill would have been valuable, but it would not have stopped the passage. This was 1993 and 1996. Today public opinion on DADT is almost reversed (overwhelmingly in favor of repeal) and on DOMA it's close to an even split. The Democrats control Congress (for a little while longer, at least). Obama SHOULD be pushing for this at least as much as Bill did, and I would fully expect that Hillary actually would. Unfortunately he's not and hasn't been, and we're losing our opportunity to make any positive change; it's looking more and more likely that we'll have to start fighting a major backslide.
@59: It's probably wise to not try to associate with IGBP directly, given what Dan and Slog-generally have been saying about the administration; I can't really blame them there, though I can still blame them for the shit for which I was blaming them before (which blame is causing them to not want to associate), and will.
I'm all-for Hillary 2012 (though, as a current part of the Obama admin., she's not going to run in the primaries) if Feingold doesn't make a bid (the one up side to his potential loss in a couple weeks is that he'll be free to make a run at the White House).
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@10, 12: Did YOU guys forget about 8 years of Bush II as well?
@57: I DO think she'd be saying this if she were President Clinton, though I also thought President Obama would say this, suspend enforcement of DADT, not appeal Circuit Court decisions striking DADT and DOMA down, etc.
As for Bill's anti-gay policies re: signing DADT and DOMA in the first place: DADT was actually a (marginal) improvement over the earlier policy, which was to actively investigate anyone suspected of being gay and kick them out if they were, and resulted from a compromise Bill made, as Congress bypassed his directive to stop kicking gay people out of the military (in short, he actually DID what we want Obama to do, and the Republican Congress responded by passing DADT, which he singed as part of a deal to not have them pass a stronger anti-gay law and attempt a veto-override). DOMA was passed by a wide margin beyond what is needed to override a veto in both the House and Senate, so signing it was a political move designed to preserve political capital in a hostile legislative environment. Perhaps sending a message by vetoing the bill would have been valuable, but it would not have stopped the passage. This was 1993 and 1996. Today public opinion on DADT is almost reversed (overwhelmingly in favor of repeal) and on DOMA it's close to an even split. The Democrats control Congress (for a little while longer, at least). Obama SHOULD be pushing for this at least as much as Bill did, and I would fully expect that Hillary actually would. Unfortunately he's not and hasn't been, and we're losing our opportunity to make any positive change; it's looking more and more likely that we'll have to start fighting a major backslide.
@59: It's probably wise to not try to associate with IGBP directly, given what Dan and Slog-generally have been saying about the administration; I can't really blame them there, though I can still blame them for the shit for which I was blaming them before (which blame is causing them to not want to associate), and will.
I'm all-for Hillary 2012 (though, as a current part of the Obama admin., she's not going to run in the primaries) if Feingold doesn't make a bid (the one up side to his potential loss in a couple weeks is that he'll be free to make a run at the White House).
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Love what she said! Nicely stated and very helpful to hear at any age. Hopefully, I can vote for her someday as she becomes the first female president to take office.
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Those saying that this is opportunistic--do you have any clue about her political history? She has been fighting for gender equality all over the world since the beginning of her political career. This is simply consistent with her worldview.
"But I think it's really problematic that she has nothing to say about DADT, DOMA, or the vicious persecution of gay people abroad shows that she hasn't made the connection between these issues and bullying." -- Rdwhoeveryouare
Hasn't made the connection? Are you kidding me? Wow. Way to build a strawman.
Also, it's a problem that it's directed at kids? Say what? Did you WATCH Dan's intro to the It Gets Better project? She's staying on message here, which is to give hope to bullied children. The term "bully" is not generally used to describe adult behavior. Discrimination, bigot, etc. Bully? That's a schoolyard term.
Pissy gays piss me off. You wanna go there? Then why aren't you fighting for women's rights, which inherently affect gays/lesbians (oh yeah, there are women homosexuals, too, who'd've thunk?) as equally as you do for LGBT rights? To me, as a feminist, LGBT and gender equality and inextricably linked; basically one in the same. You're not the only one at this oppression party, FFS.
Phew. Rant over.
I EFFIN' LOVE HILLARY CLINTON.
"But I think it's really problematic that she has nothing to say about DADT, DOMA, or the vicious persecution of gay people abroad shows that she hasn't made the connection between these issues and bullying." -- Rdwhoeveryouare
Hasn't made the connection? Are you kidding me? Wow. Way to build a strawman.
Also, it's a problem that it's directed at kids? Say what? Did you WATCH Dan's intro to the It Gets Better project? She's staying on message here, which is to give hope to bullied children. The term "bully" is not generally used to describe adult behavior. Discrimination, bigot, etc. Bully? That's a schoolyard term.
Pissy gays piss me off. You wanna go there? Then why aren't you fighting for women's rights, which inherently affect gays/lesbians (oh yeah, there are women homosexuals, too, who'd've thunk?) as equally as you do for LGBT rights? To me, as a feminist, LGBT and gender equality and inextricably linked; basically one in the same. You're not the only one at this oppression party, FFS.
Phew. Rant over.
I EFFIN' LOVE HILLARY CLINTON.
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One more thing. She is not her husband. What is this, 1955? Do not make the mistake of placing HIS shit on her plate. She's got to Secretary of State on her own merits.
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@63 - Truer words were never spoken. Lots and lots of couples disagree on politics (see Laura Bush's recent comments about gay marriage and abortion).
I just love you, Hillary. I feel bad for her because she comes across so cold most of the time, but the very few people I know who have actually spent a little time with her tell me she's much more like this in person: warm, sweet, and very caring.
I just love you, Hillary. I feel bad for her because she comes across so cold most of the time, but the very few people I know who have actually spent a little time with her tell me she's much more like this in person: warm, sweet, and very caring.
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@59
You're absolutely right. The Obama administration threw a bone to the gays here. They knew Obama couldn't say anything because the gays are raging over DADT, DOMA, etc. and would shit down his throat. But *everyone* knows the gays LOVE Hillary. Who better to speak up for the administration on this issue than her? Plus, it's totally non-controversial. Reaching out to suicidal teens? What fundy Christian right winger is against THAT? None of 'em.
Very smart move by the Obama administration. Very impressive politics, I must say. Clever mutherfuckers at the helm.
You're absolutely right. The Obama administration threw a bone to the gays here. They knew Obama couldn't say anything because the gays are raging over DADT, DOMA, etc. and would shit down his throat. But *everyone* knows the gays LOVE Hillary. Who better to speak up for the administration on this issue than her? Plus, it's totally non-controversial. Reaching out to suicidal teens? What fundy Christian right winger is against THAT? None of 'em.
Very smart move by the Obama administration. Very impressive politics, I must say. Clever mutherfuckers at the helm.
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I disagree with the comments that had Obama not won the Presidency, he would be the one making these statements. Are our memories so short that we can't recall his lack of support for gay marriage (oh, but civil unions are okay, because as long as we're equal we can be separate)? Or his choice of Rick Warren to give the invocation at his inauguration ceremony? As another commenter accurately pointed out, Hillary has been a tireless advocate of gender and human rights throughout her career. Regardless of the motives of her address, which I don't see as opportunistic, let's not fool ourselves into thinking that the President is further to the right than Hillary Clinton when it comes to social issues.
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@34-
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, in her official capacity, still opposes gay equality in the State Department itself.
She's publicly defending a $3.00 "Queer Reserve Note," calling her husband, a sitting President, "3 Dollar Bill," as a perfectly appropriate expression of opinion in the State Department workplace. [Seriously.] President Obama fired his commander in Afghanistan for far less.
She is publicly defending the idea that a State Department senior officer who requests an investigation of a Foreign Service Officer because he "clearly exhibit[s] homosexual preferences" and lied about it, is credible and not a homophobic bigot. [Seriously.]
She's also publicly defending the idea that only heterosexual American citizens are considered worthy of effective consular protection in emergency situations overseas.
Get a PACER account and go to http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/
Look up CA 09-5295. Note that her attorneys requested and received an extension on their filing until 03 NOV 2010 - the day after the you-know-what.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, in her official capacity, still opposes gay equality in the State Department itself.
She's publicly defending a $3.00 "Queer Reserve Note," calling her husband, a sitting President, "3 Dollar Bill," as a perfectly appropriate expression of opinion in the State Department workplace. [Seriously.] President Obama fired his commander in Afghanistan for far less.
She is publicly defending the idea that a State Department senior officer who requests an investigation of a Foreign Service Officer because he "clearly exhibit[s] homosexual preferences" and lied about it, is credible and not a homophobic bigot. [Seriously.]
She's also publicly defending the idea that only heterosexual American citizens are considered worthy of effective consular protection in emergency situations overseas.
Get a PACER account and go to http://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/
Look up CA 09-5295. Note that her attorneys requested and received an extension on their filing until 03 NOV 2010 - the day after the you-know-what.
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did someone say the gays love hillary? not so sure about that, everyone on the Stranger staff sure seems to hate her.
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@ 69 -- You keep saying "[Seriously.]", but your comment is anything but a serious rendition of the case in point.
Here's a clue or two
http://diplopundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/…
http://newyorklawschool.typepad.com/leon…
Here's a clue or two
http://diplopundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/…
http://newyorklawschool.typepad.com/leon…
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I'm on the side of the skeptics... Obama would have done the same thing if he hadn't been elected. I don't regret my vote, as much of a douchebag our President is.
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The Stranger (and Dan) were pretty quick to endorse Obama in 2008. The Stranger editors should be eating crow right now for that. In fact, until they do, I will completely ignore their endorsements... Here are some recipes, guys:
http://www.bertc.com/subfive/recipes/thr…
I stuck with Hillary in the primary because I knew exactly how she would disappoint me, but I knew she would fight like a bulldog before the sellout happened. Obama sold out before he was even inaugurated with his pal Rick Warren and its been downhill ever since. Hell, with 'fierce advocates' like Obama, I'll be pushing up daisies long before DADT and DOMA are repealed.
http://www.bertc.com/subfive/recipes/thr…
I stuck with Hillary in the primary because I knew exactly how she would disappoint me, but I knew she would fight like a bulldog before the sellout happened. Obama sold out before he was even inaugurated with his pal Rick Warren and its been downhill ever since. Hell, with 'fierce advocates' like Obama, I'll be pushing up daisies long before DADT and DOMA are repealed.
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@69 via @71:
"Olson's claims related back to events that occurred during the Clinton Administration (his posting in Rio began in 1993, eight years after he joined the Foreign Service and five years after he achieved a "tenured" ranking), and his claim originally named Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice as titular defendant. Current Secretary Hillary Clinton was automatically substituted as defendant after she was confirmed in as Secretary."
"Olson's claims related back to events that occurred during the Clinton Administration (his posting in Rio began in 1993, eight years after he joined the Foreign Service and five years after he achieved a "tenured" ranking), and his claim originally named Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice as titular defendant. Current Secretary Hillary Clinton was automatically substituted as defendant after she was confirmed in as Secretary."
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