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Thursday, October 14, 2010

State Skews $60,000 Tunnel Poll

Posted by on Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:59 AM

The Washington State Department of Transportation (WSDOT) released the results of a 1,000-person survey late yesterday afternoon about the project to replace the Alaskan Way Viaduct. It found that many local residents were unfamiliar or undecided about the proposal for a deep-bore tunnel. But after being barraged with pro-tunnel messages, support grew dramatically. Here's a comparison of the initial support to the support after people are "informed":

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What do the informed people know—and what informative questions were they asked—that they didn't know before it started (questions and responses in this .pdf)? A few samples:

Were you aware or not that rebuilding Alaskan Way without the viaduct will improve the health of Puget Sound by capturing and cleaning up contaminated storm water that currently drains off the viaduct and directly into the Sound.

In response, 64 percent of people said they weren't aware that the new freeway would be good for Puget Sound and 83 percent thought that was important.

Were you aware or not that the bored tunnel is the only viaduct replacement option that keeps the existing viaduct open to traffic during construction, meaning there will be no interruption for people who rely on the viaduct to get around.

Fifty-five percent of people weren't aware that the tunnel kept traffic open during construction and 85 percent of people thought that was important.

Two thirds of Viaduct traffic passes through Seattle for some other destination. The bored tunnel maintains capacity for these trips which are critical for local businesses and commercial traffic.

Thirty-two percent of respondents were not aware of this and 80 percent thought this was important.

In the same vein, much of the poll leans on leading questions with predictable answers like whether congestion will get worse if we tear down the viaduct (78 percent say yes), whether people want more or equal road capacity (87 percent combined yes), and the importance of unfettered road access.

After several more unflinching pro-tunnel arguments (like "making it easier to get around downtown" but nothing about how it would put 28,000-60,000 more vehicles a day on downtown streets), this is how the argument against the tunnel is summarized in its entirely:

Critics of the bored tunnel say it is flawed because it perpetuates our reliance on cars, creates more pollution, and forces Seattle citizens to be responsible for cost overruns.

The poll does ask one question about the existence of cost overruns: Were you aware that there is legislation stating that Seattle taxpayers will be responsible for any cost overruns? Seventy-one percent of people were aware and 80 percent of people thought that was important.

But the poll omits major concerns about the project—and makes no attempt to balance the pro-tunnel rhetoric with the problems with it. Some obvious questions that they could have asked but didn't: Did you know that traffic will increase on downtown streets when we build the tunnel, more than half of the existing users won't take it, it has no downtown exits, bidders are dropping out, the legislature can still make Seattle property owners pay cost overruns if it hits its spending cap, financing from the port is not in place, the tolling plan is not complete and may come up short, the soil conditions are perilous, overruns on this sort of project are astronomical and commonplace?

None of that, huh?

I called WSDOT spokeswoman Kristy Van Ness about the poll. She said the state paid EMC Research $60,000 for the survey of 1,000 residents and there's more information over here. What's the function of the poll? She couldn't comment, she said, but project manager Ron Paananen would call me back. He didn't. But I reached Ian Stewart, vice president of EMC Research, who said all that other tunnel stuff—the stuff that might give people a negative view of the tunnel—was left out because that wasn't the point of the survey. "The purpose of the poll was to find out what information people were aware of," he said. He notes that they did ask whether people knew about the cost-overrun provision—but as for the unstable financing, the likelihood of cost overruns on a project like this, the massive traffic diversion, and other project drawbacks, Stewart says they never considered those. "Those diversion issues and tolling issues we're not getting into, but will be looked into in the future," he said.

Stewart said something else revealing: "Part of the intent is finding out what information should WSDOT be providing that people are not aware of."

In this case, it seems that WSDOT's clear intent was identifying the most convincing talking points to cultivate more support for the project and demonstrate that most of the public supports them—while leaving out the unknown information that might cripple public support.

There's nothing wrong with political message polling, per se. And admittedly, lots of folks do support the deep-bore tunnel (with gusto). And... if highway officials want to make the case that the public agrees with them, that's super. But using such a plainly skewed poll that leaves out potentially fatal flaws and instead bangs the drum of its virtues doesn't prove that people are reaching an "informed" opinion. It also doesn't instill confidence that WSDOT—spending $60,000 of the project's budget on a poll that omits essential questions—is interested in making an informed decision, either.

 

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venomlash 1
Aaand Will in Seattle posts something pithy and illogical about the Billionaire's Tunnel in 3...2...1...
Posted by venomlash on October 14, 2010 at 7:13 AM
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I was among the group polled, and I honestly thought it was a push poll, not something done by the state.
Posted by mao on October 14, 2010 at 7:34 AM
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In the same vain?
Posted by Wheedle on October 14, 2010 at 7:37 AM
Baconcat 4
So present support is a lukewarm 42% (down a few points from the last poll) and WSDOT relies on push polling. Got it.

When you build false consensus, it's easy to turn around and blame the voters when things go wrong.
Posted by Baconcat on October 14, 2010 at 7:38 AM
Baconcat 5
I was among the group polled, and I honestly thought it was a push poll, not something done by the state.


It can be both these things at once.

Surprise! The state is screwing you.
Posted by Baconcat on October 14, 2010 at 7:46 AM
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I too was called to participate in this poll. About halfway thru the poll it became apparent by the questions this was a push-poll. I stopped the questioner and told the gentleman that I no longer wanted to participate based on the questioning.

This entire process dealing with this issue over the last eight-nine years has certainly left me with strong doubts and concerns about WSDOT's credibility. I simply don't trust what they are doing.

Posted by Fairhaven on October 14, 2010 at 7:49 AM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 7
Did you know that tunnels, while great for cars, are not a contributor to erectile dysfunction? Wouldn't that make you "for" a tunnel?


Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on October 14, 2010 at 7:52 AM
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Could you make an addition to your election endorsements telling us how to vote in a way that maximally screws the state, but maximally helps the city of Seattle? I'm tired of bozos in Olympia spending money trying to ram this tunnel down our throats. I'd much rather have Mike McGinn spending my tax dollars than Chris Gregoire.
Posted by Don't you think he looks tired? on October 14, 2010 at 7:58 AM
Kinison 9
So when pollers are told about the negative aspects of the tunnel, they decide against the tunnel. Its considered to be a scientific non biased poll, a mandate by the people.

However, when pollers are told about the positive aspects of the tunnel, most are in favor of it. Its considered a biased push poll and a waste of 60k.

Sounds like both polls are BS and were back to step 1, demonizing road projects.
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on October 14, 2010 at 8:18 AM
MacCrocodile 10
The only people who changed their vote were the undecideds. You can't trust those wishy-washy bastards.
Posted by MacCrocodile http://maccrocodile.com/ on October 14, 2010 at 8:26 AM
gloomy gus 11
The legislature that voted in the tunnel's been delighted to let McGinn's campaign aim its fire solely at easy target WSDOT. I hope this stupid poll doesn't signal that agency's thinking it can match the mayoral team's constant messaging hum given his folks' depth of PR experience - there's nothing WSDOT can (or needs to) gain at that level against his happy warriors.
Posted by gloomy gus on October 14, 2010 at 8:45 AM
Reverse Polarity 12
@2, you were push polled. This is the very definition of a push poll, regardless of who paid for it.

Well, at least the state DOT now knows how to pimp the idea and shift some of the undecideds their way.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on October 14, 2010 at 8:52 AM
Joe Szilagyi 13
I hope the lawsuits actually humiliate and shame people all the way from our city council to WSDOT to the Governor's office. Bring 'em on.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi http://twitter.com/joeszi on October 14, 2010 at 9:09 AM
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Can someone explain to me how exactly WSDOT is doing its job by spending $60K of taxpayer money on a political poll--never mind that it's a push poll?

Imagine if the Obama administration, on the taxpayer dime, was calling up voters around the country asking questions like, "Are you aware that under President George W. Bush a sizeable federal surplus became a massive federal deficit?" We'd never hear the end of that, and rightly so.
Posted by cressona on October 14, 2010 at 9:29 AM
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Can The Stranger pay for a poll? I'm sure you could get one done for less than $60,000.

"Were you aware there are other options to replace the viaduct, more quickly, with more capacity than the tunnel, for over $1 billion less?"

"Were you aware the tunnel will have $3.50-$4.00 tolls each way?"

"Were you aware the tunnel has no exits into downtown Seattle?"

"Were you aware that WSDOT is building a new surface highway boulevard where the viaduct sits now, permanently cutting off downtown from the waterfront?"

"Were you aware that only 7 acres of open space will be opened up by the tunnel and boulevard, less than either the surface or rebuild options?"

"Were you aware that the average Seattle citizen will pay $1500 in taxes for the tunnel, not including state or federal taxes, and as much as $3000 per person more for overruns?"

"Were you aware that the City of Seattle has serious concerns about the environmental impact of the tunnel, and the Seartle department of transportation and executive branch refused to sign the tunnel environmental impact statement?"

"Were you aware the tunnel will delay the governor's promise of closing the viaduct by 2012?"

"Were you aware the surface couplet option increases the transportation capacity of goods and people, while the tunnel decreases capacity?"

"Were you aware that a worker died less than a month ago on a similar deep bore tunnel project in New Jersey?"

"Were you aware that the tunnel is a really shitty project, and out-of-state contracting companies are the only ones who will profit?"
Posted by Deeply boring tunnel on October 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM
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@12, yes I know. That's why I posted the comment.
Posted by mao on October 14, 2010 at 10:14 AM
SchmuckyTheCat 17
Push polls suck, but so do journalists who push discredited and fake statistics in their opposition.
Posted by SchmuckyTheCat on October 14, 2010 at 10:15 AM
Will in Seattle 18
See, and I even waited.

Nobody in this poll was told they would be paying $10,000 per household PLUS $5 to $10 tolls each way for this deeply boring tunnel.

If they had been, support would have dropped to 12 percent.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 14, 2010 at 10:42 AM
Will in Seattle 19
Now, as to the mistruths they "pushed":

Lie #1 "Were you aware or not that rebuilding Alaskan Way without the viaduct will improve the health of Puget Sound by capturing and cleaning up contaminated storm water that currently drains off the viaduct and directly into the Sound."

Actually, building the deep bore tunnel will put multiple endangered species of fish, newly listed, at risk. It will also literally DOUBLE the particulate emissions, kill more fish directly (since hydro power is used to power the 24/7/365 fans and pumps for the tunnel), and cause King County to go into violation for both Particulate Emissions and Carbon Emissions (two EPA regs that were just finalized).

Misdirection #2: "Were you aware or not that the bored tunnel is the only viaduct replacement option that keeps the existing viaduct open to traffic during construction, meaning there will be no interruption for people who rely on the viaduct to get around."

Unless you live or work or drive thru the areas used for staging or are in one of the buildings that will have a drill bit stuck under them when it mysteriously stops working - as so very frequently happens with deep bore tunnels in glacial till mixed with previously razed waterfront structures in an area filled with native use and probably stopped while excavated by Native teams when we find local artifacts from our past there.

LIE #3:"Two thirds of Viaduct traffic passes through Seattle for some other destination. The bored tunnel maintains capacity for these trips which are critical for local businesses and commercial traffic."

Actually, WSDOT and SDOT both have released figures showing the deep bore tunnel will literally have HALF the freight capacity of the existing viaduct and HALF the capacity of the two alternatives of a Surface Plus Transit and a Rebuilt Viaduct. In addition, without taking into account the toll-avoidance by car drivers when the $5 to $10 tolls are in place, WSDOT estimates AT LEAST 50,000 more cars will be diverted onto Seattle downtown arterials due to the tunnel not having enough capacity.

It is a boondoggle. And a very badly advised one at that.
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Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on October 14, 2010 at 11:35 AM

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