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Homo It Was Inevitable
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:44 PM
A "bible-based response to the It Gets Better Project" was just posted to YouTube...
I haven't watched this. I'm sitting in a classroom in Bloomington, Indiana, listening to a lecture, so I can't listen to this. But I can read Slog comments so I'm tossing this up. How'd he do? Anything we haven't heard before? Or the same old LevitiRomans bullshit? Pick it apart, Sloggers.
UPDATE: When Jesus comes back—cough, cough—he should sue his douchebagiest believers for defamation:
"Billy Lucus, who hanged himself, obviously because he was gay, and unable to endure the guilt that the words of others prompted in him. This was indeed a tragedy, but not anywhere near the tragedy that Billy will discover in eternity when he faces the wrath of God upon rebellious and unrepentant sinners. Then, he will realize that his sin could not be atoned for by his own death, and he will realize that people like Dan Savage who encourage sin are deceivers. He will see them for what they are, the blind leading the blind. And he will realize that he has fallen into that ditch that the blind leading the blind inevitably fall into: that's eternal destruction and misery. Sadly, it's too late for Billy. For those who are viewing this video, however, their remains the opportunity of turning from sin to the obedience of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ."
What can you possibly say in response to that kind of hate—the kind of hate that drove Billy Lucas to suicide—besides, of course, "Fuck you and the bible verses you rode in on, you monstrously hateful pile of shit." And, you know, when I listen to a grown man fantasize about a 15 year old boy being tormented in hell for all eternity, an infamous name pops to mind: John Wayne Gacy. And the resemblance in this case is striking.
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Jesus Bad Editing Christ. Don't these fundy-conservatives have access to technology. This shit looks like it was shot on VHS and edited using something from 1988.
In terms of content, it's just as weak. First, the "it" in "it gets better" refers to life, not "the practice of homosexuality." He also basically says that Billy killing himself is good, because better to kill himself than to go to hell. Also, Dan, you are going to hell. If we act now though, we can not go to hell. Leviticus, Corinthians, we are an abomination and we shall not inherit the earth. Homosexuality and Christianity are mutually exclusive. He wants a giant dick in his mouth, but his magic book says that is bad, etc. etc.
"The simple truth" is that there is no debate on homosexuality according to this guy, so he won't listen and please ignore his manhunt profile thank you.
In terms of content, it's just as weak. First, the "it" in "it gets better" refers to life, not "the practice of homosexuality." He also basically says that Billy killing himself is good, because better to kill himself than to go to hell. Also, Dan, you are going to hell. If we act now though, we can not go to hell. Leviticus, Corinthians, we are an abomination and we shall not inherit the earth. Homosexuality and Christianity are mutually exclusive. He wants a giant dick in his mouth, but his magic book says that is bad, etc. etc.
"The simple truth" is that there is no debate on homosexuality according to this guy, so he won't listen and please ignore his manhunt profile thank you.
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I made it up to 2:40 when he says that Billy Lucas is in hell.
So typical hate filled, homophobic bull shit wrapped up in a shiny god bow.
Nothing that hasn't been heard before.
So typical hate filled, homophobic bull shit wrapped up in a shiny god bow.
Nothing that hasn't been heard before.
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He is using your project to make a name for himself. He says it outright: "After reviewing some of the material on this site [the It Gets Better site], I was prompted to change my plans, as the It Gets Better Project offered a unique opportunity to establish a real presence for the Lot Project."
I visited the website (I know, I know, that's what he wants, attention... we should just ignore him), and it seems like it's all about speaking the "truth" that homosexuality is a sin. I don't see anything new.
I visited the website (I know, I know, that's what he wants, attention... we should just ignore him), and it seems like it's all about speaking the "truth" that homosexuality is a sin. I don't see anything new.
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Despairing teenager kills himself. This douche feels the need to declare that the teenager is going to hell. Stay classy, douche. Stay classy.
"It will not get better. It will only get worse." Yeah, and it's homosexuality that causes young people to kill themselves, not the sense of hopelessness and self-loathing instilled in them by bigots and self-hating closet-cases.
"It will not get better. It will only get worse." Yeah, and it's homosexuality that causes young people to kill themselves, not the sense of hopelessness and self-loathing instilled in them by bigots and self-hating closet-cases.
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The Lot Project?
The same Lot who tried to give his daughters to a mob for them to be raped??
The same Lot who had drunken sex with said two daughters???
The same Lot who tried to give his daughters to a mob for them to be raped??
The same Lot who had drunken sex with said two daughters???
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Nice T-shirt.
So much stupidity based on a silly book. Nothing new at all, just the same shit poorly presented.
So much stupidity based on a silly book. Nothing new at all, just the same shit poorly presented.
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Did he film this with a betamax camera? And what's up with the ghetto image in the beginning? Does he have that airbrushed on his van? What an idiot.
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Well, he says the "It" in "It Gets Better" refers to the "practice of homosexuality", so he misses the point right off the fucking bat.
And he says Billy Lucas killed himself "obviously because he gay, and unable to endure the guilt that the words of others prompted in him. This was indeed a tragedy, but not anywhere near the tragedy that Billy will discover in eternity, when he faces the wrath of God upon rebellious and unrepentant sinners. Then he will realize that his sin could not be atoned for by his own death, and he will realize that people like Dan Savage who encourage sin are deceivers, he will see them for what they are, the blind leading the blind, and he will realize that he is falling into that ditch that the blind leading the blind inevitably fall into. Eternal destruction and misery.
"Sadly it's too late for Billy. For those who are viewing this video however, there remains the opportunity of turning from sin to the obedience of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. For this reason I caution you; do not listen to deceivers like Dan Savage. Rather, listen to the voice of God. 'Homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord.' Leviticus, 18:22"
And that's about all of that I can take.
And he says Billy Lucas killed himself "obviously because he gay, and unable to endure the guilt that the words of others prompted in him. This was indeed a tragedy, but not anywhere near the tragedy that Billy will discover in eternity, when he faces the wrath of God upon rebellious and unrepentant sinners. Then he will realize that his sin could not be atoned for by his own death, and he will realize that people like Dan Savage who encourage sin are deceivers, he will see them for what they are, the blind leading the blind, and he will realize that he is falling into that ditch that the blind leading the blind inevitably fall into. Eternal destruction and misery.
"Sadly it's too late for Billy. For those who are viewing this video however, there remains the opportunity of turning from sin to the obedience of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. For this reason I caution you; do not listen to deceivers like Dan Savage. Rather, listen to the voice of God. 'Homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord.' Leviticus, 18:22"
And that's about all of that I can take.
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Yawn...same old bigot boilerplate. Leviticus? Check. Billy Lucas killed himself because he was wracked with spiritual guilt over his "choice"? Check. Dan Savage is a "deceiver" (ooh, diss)? Check.
There was nothing in that video that I didn't expect some stupid fundie to say at some point. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing we won't hear again. And god damn, that guy is boring to listen to.
There was nothing in that video that I didn't expect some stupid fundie to say at some point. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing we won't hear again. And god damn, that guy is boring to listen to.
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So it IS the Kinsey Institute all this time?!?! I'm thrilled to to think we'll get to hear more about it at some point.
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""It gets better," says Dan Savage, the "it" referring to the practice of homosexuality." I don't think that's what you meant, Dan... maybe I missed the point... but I don't think it's me missing something.
Also, WTF is up with that hair?
Some something or other about the blind going to hell?
Lev 18:22
Cor 1:69, 10
Homos and Christians are mutually exclusive...
Acts 3:19
Viewers chomping at the bit to make comments, but there are no comments because "there is no legitimate debate". That's right: you're a douche, end of debate. Did this guy see the episode of House last season when the patient was a patient because he had a brain injury from being un-homo'd by some extremist therapy?
Something about bondage at the end, but I wasn't paying attention.
Also, WTF is up with that hair?
Some something or other about the blind going to hell?
Lev 18:22
Cor 1:69, 10
Homos and Christians are mutually exclusive...
Acts 3:19
Viewers chomping at the bit to make comments, but there are no comments because "there is no legitimate debate". That's right: you're a douche, end of debate. Did this guy see the episode of House last season when the patient was a patient because he had a brain injury from being un-homo'd by some extremist therapy?
Something about bondage at the end, but I wasn't paying attention.
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And Lotpro.org is owned by >> http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-se…
Charles Carter
122 E El Camino Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85020
602-944-3047
chbaca@juno.com
Charles Carter
122 E El Camino Dr
Phoenix, AZ 85020
602-944-3047
chbaca@juno.com
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No, nothing new, just the same old "Christian" anti-homosexuality, directed against Billy Lucus and against you.
A long quote:
"Billy Lucus, who hanged himself, obviously because he was gay, and unable to endure the guilt that the words of others prompted in him. This was indeed a tragedy, but not anywhere near the tragedy that Billy will discover in eternity when he faces the wrath of God upon rebellious and unrepentant sinners. Then, he will realize that his sin could not be atoned for by his own death, and he will realize that people like Dan Savage who encourage sin are deceivers. He will see them for what they are, the blind leading the blind. And he will realize that he has fallen into that ditch that the blind leading the blind inevitably fall into: that's eternal destruction and misery. Sadly, it's too late for Billy. For those who are viewing this video, however, their remains the opportunity of turning from sin to the obedience of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ."
A long quote:
"Billy Lucus, who hanged himself, obviously because he was gay, and unable to endure the guilt that the words of others prompted in him. This was indeed a tragedy, but not anywhere near the tragedy that Billy will discover in eternity when he faces the wrath of God upon rebellious and unrepentant sinners. Then, he will realize that his sin could not be atoned for by his own death, and he will realize that people like Dan Savage who encourage sin are deceivers. He will see them for what they are, the blind leading the blind. And he will realize that he has fallen into that ditch that the blind leading the blind inevitably fall into: that's eternal destruction and misery. Sadly, it's too late for Billy. For those who are viewing this video, however, their remains the opportunity of turning from sin to the obedience of faith in the Lord Jesus Christ."
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You're right to disallow the use of computers in class, Bill. I can see a lot of computers from my vantage point, and it's all... Facebook. Every single one.
I got the teachers permission, however, to respond to emails about IGBP during class, and to update Slog. She's a big backer of the project and I told her I would have to skip class if I couldn't keep an eye on my email and the blog. I'm also taking tons of notes and participating in the discussion.
I got the teachers permission, however, to respond to emails about IGBP during class, and to update Slog. She's a big backer of the project and I told her I would have to skip class if I couldn't keep an eye on my email and the blog. I'm also taking tons of notes and participating in the discussion.
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God's Oracle on Earth can't be this guy!? Can it?
At least he found time during the Da Bears Game on Monday Night Football to channel yahweh for us.
At least he found time during the Da Bears Game on Monday Night Football to channel yahweh for us.
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The man is a moving, speaking illustration of the concept of the banality of evil.
The only positive thing I can say about people like this is that they helped me become an atheist, and for that I am truly grateful.
The only positive thing I can say about people like this is that they helped me become an atheist, and for that I am truly grateful.
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Safe to say, this video is made by a douchebag who probably read the article by that Washington Times cunt and thought "right on". Assuming he can read, that is.
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According to this church directory on AM 1360 KPXQ "The Christian Station (http://www.kpxq1360.com/ChurchDirectory/) Charles is with Bethlehem Fellowship at the same address in Phoenix (but looks on Google like a private residence).
Charles also has the email address chbaca52@yahoo.com.
And the Bethlehem Fellowship runs the website http://www.bethfell.org/. A picture on the homepage seems to confirm that the man in the video in indeed Charles. Bethfell.org is also registered to Charles Carter >> http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-se…
And Beth Fell encourages you to contact them by email at bethfell@mail.com.
Charles also has the email address chbaca52@yahoo.com.
And the Bethlehem Fellowship runs the website http://www.bethfell.org/. A picture on the homepage seems to confirm that the man in the video in indeed Charles. Bethfell.org is also registered to Charles Carter >> http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-se…
And Beth Fell encourages you to contact them by email at bethfell@mail.com.
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Ugh. I watched the whole thing, and now I need a shower.
Okay, so the kid is going to hell because he killed himself without "repenting?" Um, yeah. No remorse at all, clearly. And obviously he must've been enjoying a hell of a lot of awesome gay sex before he offed himself. Douche.
And "the Bible is clear?" Yeah, that part about Solomon being smited for the sin of homosexuality . . . Wait, it's not in there? Oh, whoops. And the ones who supposedly talked to the invisible man in the sky were always going on about how wrong it was . . . You mean it's only in there twice, and may be a translation error in the first case? Oh. Well. Um. THUNDERING, OVERPOWERING evidence, there in the chapter that says not to mix types of fiber, and to stay away from bacon. But, uh, that other stuff doesn't count, because it's just the one mention, and, uh, didn't Jesus say something about a new covenant, or something?
Okay, so the kid is going to hell because he killed himself without "repenting?" Um, yeah. No remorse at all, clearly. And obviously he must've been enjoying a hell of a lot of awesome gay sex before he offed himself. Douche.
And "the Bible is clear?" Yeah, that part about Solomon being smited for the sin of homosexuality . . . Wait, it's not in there? Oh, whoops. And the ones who supposedly talked to the invisible man in the sky were always going on about how wrong it was . . . You mean it's only in there twice, and may be a translation error in the first case? Oh. Well. Um. THUNDERING, OVERPOWERING evidence, there in the chapter that says not to mix types of fiber, and to stay away from bacon. But, uh, that other stuff doesn't count, because it's just the one mention, and, uh, didn't Jesus say something about a new covenant, or something?
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Unbearable... "he committed suicide from the unbearable guilt brought on by the comments of his peers..." bla bla bla... unforgivable and hell bound is that unbearable fuck.
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Speaking as someone raised in the Church, he hit all the points you hear from a fundie. His delivery was crap, so he likely wouldn't be a preacher, but he probably thinks he is either an evangelist sent to "those trapped in the lifestyle of homosexuality" or a teacher who has been given a more clear understanding of the scriptures to help edify and lift up those who are struggling with homosexuality.
First off, when he said that Billy hung himself because of guilt that others' words inspired in him, I wanted to hit him. Yes, their words probably did inspire some guilt, if Billy was raised in a family and church anything like mine, but their words inspired a whole lot more than guilt. They inspired self-hate, self-loathing, a fear of everyone around you.
This man's video quoted scripture without understanding. He had so much hate hidden under a thin veneer of scripture and moralizing.
It was a sad thing to watch.
First off, when he said that Billy hung himself because of guilt that others' words inspired in him, I wanted to hit him. Yes, their words probably did inspire some guilt, if Billy was raised in a family and church anything like mine, but their words inspired a whole lot more than guilt. They inspired self-hate, self-loathing, a fear of everyone around you.
This man's video quoted scripture without understanding. He had so much hate hidden under a thin veneer of scripture and moralizing.
It was a sad thing to watch.
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@28, absolutely a closet case. Worried about his eternal gay soul wanting to suck cock in hell forever.....
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A calmer Fred Phelps. Your message is distorted from "life gets better" to "homosexuality gets better".
Billy Lucas killed himself out of guilt about being gay.
Oh yeah, Billy Lucas is burning in hell.
It will only get worse, homosexuals cannot live.
OK, I'm close to vomiting at this point. These are the people that are killing GLBT children. I know we're not supposed to respond with violence, but I soo want to punch him in the mouth. If your god burns gay children in hell, then Fuck Your (non-existent) God.
Billy Lucas killed himself out of guilt about being gay.
Oh yeah, Billy Lucas is burning in hell.
It will only get worse, homosexuals cannot live.
OK, I'm close to vomiting at this point. These are the people that are killing GLBT children. I know we're not supposed to respond with violence, but I soo want to punch him in the mouth. If your god burns gay children in hell, then Fuck Your (non-existent) God.
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"For those who practice homosexuality"
Listen sweets, I don't "practice" homosexuality. I've got that shit down.
Listen sweets, I don't "practice" homosexuality. I've got that shit down.
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BEHOLD the face of the American Taliban! President Obama, BEHOLD they are here and they are powerful. The time has come to clean the house of America and purge this scourge from our land. BEHOLD the face of the American Taliban! Lo that nothing is done because they are white and not black nor brown. Lament that they say they are Christian and Not Muslim and yet their heart is full of wickedness just the same. Weep that they are devouring our families, our children and our land and say they are acting as God would act. BEHOLD the face of the American Taliban!
Can I get the job as preacher now?
Can I get the job as preacher now?
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Ugh. I watched the whole thing, and now I need a shower.
Okay, so the kid is going to hell because he killed himself without "repenting?" Um, yeah. No remorse at all, clearly. And obviously he must've been enjoying a hell of a lot of awesome gay sex before he offed himself. Douche.
And "the Bible is clear?" Yeah, that part about Solomon being smited for the sin of homosexuality . . . Wait, it's not in there? Oh, whoops. And the ones who supposedly talked to the invisible man in the sky were always going on about how wrong it was . . . You mean it's only in there twice, and may be a translation error in the first case? Oh. Well. Um. THUNDERING, OVERPOWERING evidence, there in the chapter that says not to mix types of fiber, and to stay away from bacon. But, uh, that other stuff doesn't count, because it's just the one mention, and, uh, didn't Jesus say something about a new covenant, or something?
Okay, so the kid is going to hell because he killed himself without "repenting?" Um, yeah. No remorse at all, clearly. And obviously he must've been enjoying a hell of a lot of awesome gay sex before he offed himself. Douche.
And "the Bible is clear?" Yeah, that part about Solomon being smited for the sin of homosexuality . . . Wait, it's not in there? Oh, whoops. And the ones who supposedly talked to the invisible man in the sky were always going on about how wrong it was . . . You mean it's only in there twice, and may be a translation error in the first case? Oh. Well. Um. THUNDERING, OVERPOWERING evidence, there in the chapter that says not to mix types of fiber, and to stay away from bacon. But, uh, that other stuff doesn't count, because it's just the one mention, and, uh, didn't Jesus say something about a new covenant, or something?
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A calmer Fred Phelps. Your message is distorted from "life gets better" to "homosexuality gets better".
Billy Lucas killed himself out of guilt about being gay.
Oh yeah, Billy Lucas is burning in hell.
It will only get worse, homosexuals cannot live.
OK, I'm close to vomiting at this point. These are the people that are killing GLBT children. I know we're not supposed to respond with violence, but I soo want to punch him in the mouth. If your god burns gay children in hell, then Fuck Your (non-existent) God.
Billy Lucas killed himself out of guilt about being gay.
Oh yeah, Billy Lucas is burning in hell.
It will only get worse, homosexuals cannot live.
OK, I'm close to vomiting at this point. These are the people that are killing GLBT children. I know we're not supposed to respond with violence, but I soo want to punch him in the mouth. If your god burns gay children in hell, then Fuck Your (non-existent) God.
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Do you need a license to practice homosexuality? Maybe that's what we should call Bishop Long, and unlicensed homosexual.
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however, their remains - and there is probably a hot place in hell for ungrammatical troglodyte folk who are unaware they're also going to be judged for their lack of charity, their slovenly Christianity and spitefulness, not to mention unclean, cloven-hoof meat-eating and non-missionary-position-sex-having. There, there, you asshole!
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Santa's the only one who decides who's naughty or nice. Remember *wink wink* what I talked about with my Father?
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Dear Believers: What if your deity sent you to hell for doing the right thing, and heaven for doing the wrong thing? Would you still do the right thing? If you answered "no," your actions are not motivated by morality.
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So why do homosexuals commit suicide so much more?
It's not just school kids who don't realize how much BETTER it gets.
It is also adults who have drank deeply and fully from the BETTER and have experienced it firsthand.
Lot's of groups have endured terrible persecution without resorting to mass suicide, in fact, most people secure in themselves and their choices grow stronger from persecution.
What is it about homosexuality that eats its adherents out from the inside and drives them to self loathing and self destructive behavior and suicide?
It seems pretty obvious that distorting and perverting such a fundamental and powerful aspect of identity as gender and sexual attraction carries a HUGE psychological toll...
It's not just school kids who don't realize how much BETTER it gets.
It is also adults who have drank deeply and fully from the BETTER and have experienced it firsthand.
Lot's of groups have endured terrible persecution without resorting to mass suicide, in fact, most people secure in themselves and their choices grow stronger from persecution.
What is it about homosexuality that eats its adherents out from the inside and drives them to self loathing and self destructive behavior and suicide?
It seems pretty obvious that distorting and perverting such a fundamental and powerful aspect of identity as gender and sexual attraction carries a HUGE psychological toll...
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The comparison to Gacy was a low blow, Dan. A hilarious, uncannily accurate, kind of chilling low blow.
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Dan, you need to set up a form letter or something so any time you catch hell over stereotyping Christians, you direct them to that hateful asshole and say "You wanna stop the stereotyping, go yell at the source."
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Does It get better for homosexuals?
Does Life get better as they get older?
20% of homosexual men have AIDS.
TWENTY PERCENT.
One in Five.
After thirty years of intensive education.
Not to mention all the other STDs.
That homosexuals have at rates
much higher than heterosexuals.
Or drug and alcohol abuse.
And domestic partner abuse.
Do Bigoted Homophobes
make homosexuals batter their partners?
Really?
All the happy talk about Families and Raising Children masks a dark reality.
Like rouge smeared on the gaunt face of death.
You can fool some of the people some of the time, Dan.
You couldn't fool Billy Lucas.
Does Life get better as they get older?
20% of homosexual men have AIDS.
TWENTY PERCENT.
One in Five.
After thirty years of intensive education.
Not to mention all the other STDs.
That homosexuals have at rates
much higher than heterosexuals.
Or drug and alcohol abuse.
And domestic partner abuse.
Do Bigoted Homophobes
make homosexuals batter their partners?
Really?
All the happy talk about Families and Raising Children masks a dark reality.
Like rouge smeared on the gaunt face of death.
You can fool some of the people some of the time, Dan.
You couldn't fool Billy Lucas.
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Words cannot describe the rage I'm experiencing after watching this self-loathing pig fucker spout his insane drivel from the comfort of his double-wide. I'd hoped to vent some of my outrage on his YouTube site, but in typical cowardly fashion he's disabled comments. It's at times like this that I really wish there really was a god who would judge him for his crimes against humanity.
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What an evil-minded old creep. Definitely the sort of guy you'd *never* want within two time zones of your kids, be they gay or not. It would surprise me hugely if he wasn't a serious consumer of kiddie porn. I'm totally serious; he sounds exactly like the type.
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The Blind leading the Blind.
into the ditch.....
How do you plead, Dan?
Are you Blind?
Or Enlightened?
Are you a HomoLiberal Prophet
showing the way to Bliss and Joy?
Why do your people get AIDS 44X as much
as heterosexuals?
Is that a ditch?
Do you know the way around it?
The CDC says
abstinence and monogamy
are the best way to avoid STDs.
Are they wrong?
Are you Right?
Are they Bigots?
Did suicide send Billy to Hell?
Or save him from it.
into the ditch.....
How do you plead, Dan?
Are you Blind?
Or Enlightened?
Are you a HomoLiberal Prophet
showing the way to Bliss and Joy?
Why do your people get AIDS 44X as much
as heterosexuals?
Is that a ditch?
Do you know the way around it?
The CDC says
abstinence and monogamy
are the best way to avoid STDs.
Are they wrong?
Are you Right?
Are they Bigots?
Did suicide send Billy to Hell?
Or save him from it.
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@41: It resonates with me! All I could think watching this was, this is a man who could kill. This is a man who could justify acts of horrendous cruelty with his beliefs. He already has. He believes Billy Lucas deserved to die. He wants him to suffer eternal torment.
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We're all sinners; Hate the sin and love the sinner.
Did this asshole not get CC'ed on that memo? I'm agnostic but even I know these tenets. Actually it turns out that non-believers tend to know more about religion than believers.
At any rate, if anybody's going to hell, it's hateful people like this guy.
Did this asshole not get CC'ed on that memo? I'm agnostic but even I know these tenets. Actually it turns out that non-believers tend to know more about religion than believers.
At any rate, if anybody's going to hell, it's hateful people like this guy.
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Augh, the update. Now I have Sufjan Stevens's Gacy song running through my head, which means I'll have chills up and down my spine all day. Eeesh.
Twenty-seven people
Even more, they were boys
With their cars, summer jobs
Oh my God
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If you're registered with YouTube you can do what I just did. Follow the video to YouTube, log in, and flag the video as hate speech based on sexual orientation.
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@34 Which part is a translation error? I can at least translate literally into Latin or English that section.
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I misread the first sentence of your post as "A bile-based response..." With this guy, I wasn't so far off. The Gacy comparison -- masterful.
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@52: Censorship is not the solution. This is not hate speech, and to flag it as such is disingenuous. Does he call out for violence against gays? No.
This needs to be left on YouTube as a testament to the true beliefs of the Christian right. This guy comes out and says what they all really feel and ends up looking like a monster in the process.
I love the "It Gets Better" videos, and send them to all sorts of people. I'm sending this video too, so they can see the horrors resulting from dogmatic thought and blind faith in a fairy tale.
This needs to be left on YouTube as a testament to the true beliefs of the Christian right. This guy comes out and says what they all really feel and ends up looking like a monster in the process.
I love the "It Gets Better" videos, and send them to all sorts of people. I'm sending this video too, so they can see the horrors resulting from dogmatic thought and blind faith in a fairy tale.
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Absolutists are darn annoying. I listened to the entire thing, and there is a heck of a lot of hubris flowing.
1) What can one say to someone who believes their Bible is infallible? Certainly the fact it was in the nineteenth century that many Protestants began the campaign to affirm the Bible's infallibility will fall on deaf ears. The perspective that he's sharing something infallible is a product of modernity will go unrecognized. So, the foolishness of claiming that one has the only and correct perspective of a hotly contested collection of letters and books that comprise ancient traditions that cover roughly 2100 years, and was written about 1200 years ago over a more than 2000 year period is not obvious to him. The fact that the social cultures and worldviews that existed over that 2100 year period have long disappeared and are outmoded doesn't matter to him either. Nor does the fact that Leviticus have 613 prohibitions (to'ebah) against the holiness code and modern Christians now believe that 611 are allowed. He's likely blind to the extent of his own cherry picking and believes that he lives every translated into English symbol recorded on that page and that requires a brain to both interpret and comprehend.
2) His agenda does not allow for the fact that the word homosexual (noun) was first recorded 1912 in English, 1907 in French. The modernity of the word "homosexual" and its English origins does not matter. The fact that English was not spoken by the authors of the Bible also does not matter.
3) For someone so assured of his own correctness, and worthiness to instruct, it is surprising that he does not acknowledge that the unforgivable sin is found in Mark 3:28-29 ("Let me tell you: all offenses and whatever blasphemies humankind might blaspheme will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit in never forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin"). He apparently has forgotten the numerous verses that forbid his pronouncing judgment too.
Lastly, I can't stomach his cruelty towards Billy Lucus and his family. The crux of his argument is that he knows that his perception of his god is the only and correct one, and anything that disagrees with him (history, interpolations within his canonized scriptures, extracanonical gospels from the first three centuries...) are all wrong and blind. He is the absolutist and in his mind he is always correct. And, that is a bully for you. I pity him.
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1) What can one say to someone who believes their Bible is infallible? Certainly the fact it was in the nineteenth century that many Protestants began the campaign to affirm the Bible's infallibility will fall on deaf ears. The perspective that he's sharing something infallible is a product of modernity will go unrecognized. So, the foolishness of claiming that one has the only and correct perspective of a hotly contested collection of letters and books that comprise ancient traditions that cover roughly 2100 years, and was written about 1200 years ago over a more than 2000 year period is not obvious to him. The fact that the social cultures and worldviews that existed over that 2100 year period have long disappeared and are outmoded doesn't matter to him either. Nor does the fact that Leviticus have 613 prohibitions (to'ebah) against the holiness code and modern Christians now believe that 611 are allowed. He's likely blind to the extent of his own cherry picking and believes that he lives every translated into English symbol recorded on that page and that requires a brain to both interpret and comprehend.
2) His agenda does not allow for the fact that the word homosexual (noun) was first recorded 1912 in English, 1907 in French. The modernity of the word "homosexual" and its English origins does not matter. The fact that English was not spoken by the authors of the Bible also does not matter.
3) For someone so assured of his own correctness, and worthiness to instruct, it is surprising that he does not acknowledge that the unforgivable sin is found in Mark 3:28-29 ("Let me tell you: all offenses and whatever blasphemies humankind might blaspheme will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit in never forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin"). He apparently has forgotten the numerous verses that forbid his pronouncing judgment too.
Lastly, I can't stomach his cruelty towards Billy Lucus and his family. The crux of his argument is that he knows that his perception of his god is the only and correct one, and anything that disagrees with him (history, interpolations within his canonized scriptures, extracanonical gospels from the first three centuries...) are all wrong and blind. He is the absolutist and in his mind he is always correct. And, that is a bully for you. I pity him.
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haha. wan't lot the guy who had drunken sex with his daughters after he offered the daughters as rape material to rioters in sodom? figures this dude would see him as a role model
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meh, some fat pederast trying to push twisted morality on everyone. boring. seen it. the guy's an idiot anyway, he missed the entire point of the "it gets better" project right off the bat by equating the "it" with homosexuality rather than with life in general. this lack of attention to detail and nuance in arguments is something i've come to expect from stupid people, especially fat, socially inept one's who probably have a skull collection in their basement.
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Don't know why Savage would promote this video... buuuut, with 305 and five views, I joined the 34 others in "disliking" the comment...and I also flagged it, by clicking on: Promotes hatred or violence against a protected group
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@58 you're probably a better person than i am for being able to pity him, but seriously fuck that guy, and fuck every one like him and everyone who thinks like him. it's people like that who make the world a nasty place. in my opinion he's garbage.
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People get all mad because some airlines won't let men fly next to unaccompanied minors. Hopefully guys like this help you to understand this policy. Jesus I wouldn't want this guy sitting next to my kid even if I was there, too.
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@19: dude, you just made me laugh so hard I would have done a spit take if I had been drinking. Daaaaamn.
DA BEARS!
DA BEARS!
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That someone would take a positive project like the It Gets Better Project and turn it into something hateful disgusts me. I can't believe anyone would take Billy's suicide and use it as an opportunity to spread hateful propaganda. I don't agree with everything you say, Dan - I worship at the alter of Glee's fabulousness - but I think this project is amazing. And, judging by awful people like this one, it's absolutely necessary.
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"Gacy didn't die. He just went home."--Some guy from the INS bearing an almost suspicious resemblance to Tommy Lee Jones
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@58: Yeah, Kim, I've noticed the bit about English too.
The Old Testament (from which the bible-thumpers derive most of their Teh Ghey material) is written in an archaic and imprecise form of Hebrew. There have been loads of mistranslations, misinterpretations, and selective readings of the Pentateuch in Christianity, and quoting it as saying "homosexuality" is just plain wrong. Not to mention bad theology.
@66: Gacy was NOT Elvis!
The Old Testament (from which the bible-thumpers derive most of their Teh Ghey material) is written in an archaic and imprecise form of Hebrew. There have been loads of mistranslations, misinterpretations, and selective readings of the Pentateuch in Christianity, and quoting it as saying "homosexuality" is just plain wrong. Not to mention bad theology.
@66: Gacy was NOT Elvis!
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I find it interesting that this guy doesn't have enough self-awareness or intelligence to realize that he is not a good spokesman for his cause. He's practically the poster child for the argument that homophobes (and any bigots, really) are a bunch of sad sack losers so filled with self-loathing they have to project it onto others.
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I don't know if publicizing this retard is a good thing. Turning off comments is an obvious sign he's a coward, though.
@67 There's nothing imprecise or archaic per se about the Hebrew of the Old Testament. It might use elevated language, but the language used to write it is only archaic to speakers of (modern) Israeli Hebrew. It wasn't archaic back then, and you don't detract anything from the haters' argument by saying so. The only possible misinterpretation is that Leviticus is a book of rules for the priests (the Levites), and therefore homosexual behavior is taboo for them and not for everyone else, but is it really such a stretch to believe that the ancient Hebrews were homophobes? No, it isn't.
But it doesn't matter either way. Even if the Bible had chapter upon chapter describing why homosexuality is wrong, it would still be the Bible that is wrong, and not homosexuality, because homosexuality has been, is, and will be a part of the human condition, everywhere, in every culture, at every time, whereas the Bible is the product of one culture at one particular time.
@67 There's nothing imprecise or archaic per se about the Hebrew of the Old Testament. It might use elevated language, but the language used to write it is only archaic to speakers of (modern) Israeli Hebrew. It wasn't archaic back then, and you don't detract anything from the haters' argument by saying so. The only possible misinterpretation is that Leviticus is a book of rules for the priests (the Levites), and therefore homosexual behavior is taboo for them and not for everyone else, but is it really such a stretch to believe that the ancient Hebrews were homophobes? No, it isn't.
But it doesn't matter either way. Even if the Bible had chapter upon chapter describing why homosexuality is wrong, it would still be the Bible that is wrong, and not homosexuality, because homosexuality has been, is, and will be a part of the human condition, everywhere, in every culture, at every time, whereas the Bible is the product of one culture at one particular time.
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@ 67: I agree, venomlash. I also find it interesting that they rest on the letters of Paul as confirmation that their interpretation of the Old Testament is correct. They seem unaware of the history surrounding the canonization of those letters and the intense controversy that was going on within the church during that period. The also seem willing to deny the fact that no original manuscripts exist, none of the preserved letters date before 200 CE (almost a century and a half after the letters were to have been written), and the fact that no two of the surviving manuscripts read exactly the same. They tend to ignore the evidence of interpolation and textual expansion within the letters themselves and the fact that interpolation/textual expansion was a common widespread practice during the period where Paul's letters would have been written and circulated. To claim that letters attributed to Paul in the New Testament, which many scholars now believe aren't Paul's at all, as confirmation of a translation of an archaic and imprecise form of Hebrew is indeed bad theology. The fact that they use it as justification to bully is immoral, unethical, and cruel. That's just my $0.02.
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@70 What? Paul's letters are in Greek, along with the rest of the New Testament.
Again, there's nothing imprecise or archaic about anything in either the OT or the NT.
Seriously, this is a pointless angle to follow. The fact is the ancient Hebrews were fabulously homophobic, like most other nations until the 20th century. Ahistorical denials of this won't get you anywhere except into arguments over history that you're probably going to lose.
Again, there's nothing imprecise or archaic about anything in either the OT or the NT.
Seriously, this is a pointless angle to follow. The fact is the ancient Hebrews were fabulously homophobic, like most other nations until the 20th century. Ahistorical denials of this won't get you anywhere except into arguments over history that you're probably going to lose.
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can we all flag this video to youtube as inappropriate for hateful and abusive content against sexual orientation...cause i just did
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And, the archaic and imprecise form of Hebrew for me is only to acknowledge that our ability to translate ancient Hebrew is limited by our inability to fully understand the social culture, perspectives, and traditions of those who used it. Perhaps it is better to say that we are limited in our ability to translate and comprehend because we may lack important context clues.
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You know, I'm impressed with the average Slog commentator's ability to not feed the obvious trolls on this board. :)
Anyone who claims to know where someone goes after they die is selling real estate in a land no one can see, travel to or even knows exists. The fact that so many people buy that real estate, year after year, is the most depressing thing about our two countries.
Anyone who claims to know where someone goes after they die is selling real estate in a land no one can see, travel to or even knows exists. The fact that so many people buy that real estate, year after year, is the most depressing thing about our two countries.
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Well, I watched the video on YouTube, where I flagged it as containing harmful content, and gave it a thumbs-down (of 50 people who had seen it thus far, 49 had given it a thumbs-down and only one a thumbs-up; a heart-warming result). I then went to the lot project channel at YouTube and made a comment about their misguided ways (I insisted that the Christ who drove away the multitude that wanted to stone the adulterous woman would have sided not with him, but with Dan, whose message is more truly and deeply Christian -- in the good sense of the word). I don't think they will approve my comment, but I did feel like I had to do something.
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Joe, I know exactly where you go. I've been there. Only thing is, I'm not selling anything, and I'd be extremely dubious of anyone who is. Because that's just not what it's all about. And anyone who says it is is a lying sack of shit.
Kimmie, good to see you back here. Good point, though I don't know that our lives are really as different from those folks' as you seem to think. We all struggled to make ends meet, cared for our children, and looked up at the stars at night and wonder "why?" No, I think the problem really is that the translation is garbled.
Kimmie, good to see you back here. Good point, though I don't know that our lives are really as different from those folks' as you seem to think. We all struggled to make ends meet, cared for our children, and looked up at the stars at night and wonder "why?" No, I think the problem really is that the translation is garbled.
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Kim in Portland, my reaction was very similar to yours. This person has very limited understanding of the bible, its historical context, and its interpretations; and, as far as I can tell, he got nothing from the good examples attributed to Christ (forgive, don't cast the first stone, love thy neighbor, etc). He should look at the Pharisees and Sadducees and see a picture of himself. Will he? I won't get my hopes up. But there's no doubt in my mind about whose side Christ would take, were he alive today: Billy Lucas'.
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Any god that would torture anybody for eternity is not worth following. Such a god is a god of evil. People that claim to follow a god that created a hell are evil people. Yup. I said it. Any person that does not recoil in disgust at a god capable of causing infinite suffering for human beings for eternity is an evil person. The concept of Hell only fits into a universe ruled by an absolute monster.
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"The blind leading the blind" bit is hilarious! Yes, no matter that people who study biology and animal behavior find homosexuality consistent with our anatomy and broadly accepted in the animal kingdom. You have a guy who has a book that may be really old! If it's non-fiction, certain segments may be interpreted in ways that suggest that sleeping with servant boys is bad according to some other guy entirely, therefore having gay teenagers kill themselves is simply not enough to stem the tide of sin (as defined by your guy with opinions on a book by another guy who has some stories that happen to be old). What a mess. It would be funny if it weren't so damn sad.
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@ 72: Forgive my confusion, but why do you think that I ever said that the letters of the New Testament known collectively as the Pauline letters was written in anything but Greek. I did make a later post @ 75 which was to go along with the post @ 70.
I can't speak for venomlash, but I don't feel that we can be absolutely sure (100%) of what anything in the Bible says in its original recorded languages. First, because we lack context. Second, because we lack the social culture. Third, because we lack the worldview. Fourth, because I know of no preserved manuscript, especially with regard to the New Testament, as being original. Fifth, because of the surviving manuscripts that I know of, no two which are exactly the same, none. Sixth, because there are words found within the surviving manuscripts that are not found recorded anywhere else. An example would be from the 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 passage that is quoted in this video. In its original form, ancient Greek, the word "arsenokoitai" appears. It may very well have been created by Paul. No record remains of any writer having using the term before Paul. At present no record of it being used by anyone but Paul has been found. It is my understanding that it is found only in 1 Cor. 6:9-10. It's meaning remains unknown as we have nothing to compare or define it with and the text does not define it either. Every attempt to define it is a guess as to what it actually meant when Paul wrote it or dictated it. And, to further complicate things many scholars think that the surviving manuscripts of 1 Corinthians may contain material from possibly 13 different letters. Why is that fascinating, because every preserved surviving copy of what is know as 1 Corinthians today dates from before 200 CE that's almost a century and half after they were written, and no two copies, none, are identical? They actually have numerous textual variations amongst them.
I would like to say that I have never claimed to know the extent of homophobia in ancient Hebrew society. I see no reason to doubt that it would be present within the culture. Occam's Razor (or Ockham's Razor if you prefer) suggests that homophobia's presence in society today is evidence that it has always been with us as part of the "cultural-linguistic traditions" which religions create for those raised in them, just as being gay has always been a part of the collective human experience.
So sorry to have gone of on a tangent. It was not my attempt to derail the comments, but to point out what I see as a perceived flaw(s) in an absolutists who sees that only one religion is right, his. And, only one perspective is right, his.
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I can't speak for venomlash, but I don't feel that we can be absolutely sure (100%) of what anything in the Bible says in its original recorded languages. First, because we lack context. Second, because we lack the social culture. Third, because we lack the worldview. Fourth, because I know of no preserved manuscript, especially with regard to the New Testament, as being original. Fifth, because of the surviving manuscripts that I know of, no two which are exactly the same, none. Sixth, because there are words found within the surviving manuscripts that are not found recorded anywhere else. An example would be from the 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 passage that is quoted in this video. In its original form, ancient Greek, the word "arsenokoitai" appears. It may very well have been created by Paul. No record remains of any writer having using the term before Paul. At present no record of it being used by anyone but Paul has been found. It is my understanding that it is found only in 1 Cor. 6:9-10. It's meaning remains unknown as we have nothing to compare or define it with and the text does not define it either. Every attempt to define it is a guess as to what it actually meant when Paul wrote it or dictated it. And, to further complicate things many scholars think that the surviving manuscripts of 1 Corinthians may contain material from possibly 13 different letters. Why is that fascinating, because every preserved surviving copy of what is know as 1 Corinthians today dates from before 200 CE that's almost a century and half after they were written, and no two copies, none, are identical? They actually have numerous textual variations amongst them.
I would like to say that I have never claimed to know the extent of homophobia in ancient Hebrew society. I see no reason to doubt that it would be present within the culture. Occam's Razor (or Ockham's Razor if you prefer) suggests that homophobia's presence in society today is evidence that it has always been with us as part of the "cultural-linguistic traditions" which religions create for those raised in them, just as being gay has always been a part of the collective human experience.
So sorry to have gone of on a tangent. It was not my attempt to derail the comments, but to point out what I see as a perceived flaw(s) in an absolutists who sees that only one religion is right, his. And, only one perspective is right, his.
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@ Fifty-Two-Eighty,
I was never addressing the more enduring qualities of humanity such as " We all struggled to make ends meet, cared for our children...". Why would I think that people loved their children any less then? Or didn't care if they made ends meet? I'd think that would have been obvious. I'm really not getting your point, please forgive me my confusion.
It's nice to read you, too.
I'm going to shut up now. I think I've put my $0.02 one to many times.
I was never addressing the more enduring qualities of humanity such as " We all struggled to make ends meet, cared for our children...". Why would I think that people loved their children any less then? Or didn't care if they made ends meet? I'd think that would have been obvious. I'm really not getting your point, please forgive me my confusion.
It's nice to read you, too.
I'm going to shut up now. I think I've put my $0.02 one to many times.
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Well, the bible is pretty unequivocal. This guy is going straight to hell. Check Deuteronomy 23:1. Guys with certain genital issues aren't allowed in the congregation of the lord. He can wiffle and waffle all he wants about different interpretations, but I think it's pretty clear. I mean, would he have all these issues with other people's sex lives if he was capable of having one of his own?
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@luke1249 There's nothing imprecise or archaic about the OT? Really? So, the fact that any bible you can lay your hands on, including the ones under glass in libraries, are translations of translations of translations, written, in the case of the OT (where most of the homophobic commentary is found) in biblical Hebrew or Aramaic, which ARE archaic, and imprecise. Imprecise for us, because certain words that had the same spelling had a different meaning depending on the inflection of the spoken word (not surprising in a language that was by and large an oral language.) The fact that we are allowing these bags-of-snakes bigots to tell people how to live based on a 3000 year old game of telephone is beyond me. This is, luke1240, EXACTLY the problem.
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I looked at some of the stuff on his web site. Basicaly what he says is that yes, some stuff in the bible can be interpreted different ways, and yes some of the rules layed down in Leviticus were intended to apply to bronze age hebrews but not to modern christians, BUT condemnation of homosexuality is a consistent theme all through the bible, so it is inconsistent for someone to call himself a christian and condone homosexual behavior. Wow, I think that may have been a run-on sentence.
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"Per our Community Guidelines, hate speech is specifically defined in reference to "protected groups.' "
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"Dislikes" now at 150, "likes" at... 2. My favorite part about this is that the guy is explaining to anyone watching his video what Dan's channel is about, and he's completely wrong. And if you think about it for two seconds, you'd realize a title of "[Homosexuality] Gets Better Project" doesn't even make sense.
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Really, from a theological standpoint, no Christian has any right to appeal to the Bible to prove a point unless it's something corroborated by Jesus himself. And that guy just couldn't be bothered to condemn the gays before his death--mostly, he was a pretty positive guy. I guess it must have been somebody else's agenda, not his.
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@6--you're missing the point. Lot refused to give up his angel-in-disguise visitor to the queer mob who wanted a piece of his ass, because homosexuality is wrong. Instead, he offered his virgin daughters to be gang-raped, because that's much LESS sinful. Obviously. And don't forget, it was the DAUGHTERS who got daddykins drunk so it wasn't his fault that he knocked them both up. Oh, yeah, and let's not forget that his wife was an evil whore who got turned into a pillar of salt (??) because she dared to take a peek at the fire and brimstone destroying her home. Poor Lot was actually a stand-up guy. Geez, keep up. It says so right on the Lot Project website:
"The LOT Project is so named because Lot represents one who was delivered from the judgment of God upon those who practiced homosexual sin. Lot was not such a man himself. Scripture declares that Lot was a righteous man living in an unrighteous environment. As such he was grievously distressed by the lifestyle of the men around him in the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. (2 Peter 2:7)".
@34 and 54--of course there is no translation error. They're using the KJV, straight from the mouth of god. It says so on the website:
"Due to the inconsistency of many modern Bible versions in translating passages, and in light of the fact that the King James Version was translated at a time when political correctness was not an issue, we will confine ourselves to the KJV exclusively."
What a pile of bullshit.
"The LOT Project is so named because Lot represents one who was delivered from the judgment of God upon those who practiced homosexual sin. Lot was not such a man himself. Scripture declares that Lot was a righteous man living in an unrighteous environment. As such he was grievously distressed by the lifestyle of the men around him in the city of Sodom and Gomorrah. (2 Peter 2:7)".
@34 and 54--of course there is no translation error. They're using the KJV, straight from the mouth of god. It says so on the website:
"Due to the inconsistency of many modern Bible versions in translating passages, and in light of the fact that the King James Version was translated at a time when political correctness was not an issue, we will confine ourselves to the KJV exclusively."
What a pile of bullshit.
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@85 Sorry, I thought you were using Paul's letters as an example of "Hebrew imprecision." Indeed, what's fascinating about the New Testament is the hodgepodge of sources, known and unknown (especially the tantalizing "Q Document," which I don't know why someone hasn't written a Dan Brown-type thriller about yet).
@88 That's right. Our inability to decipher certain words doesn't mean the text is written imprecisely. That's like calling a book you didn't understand stupid ... because you didn't understand it. Our translations may be imprecise, but the original Hebrew isn't. In fact, it's written very clearly. It's good writing. Beautiful in some places, even.
But the my point is: attacking the Bible only legitimizes it. It's irrelevant to the issue, and should be ignored. Yes, haters use it as support, but there's no point in getting into textual squabbles about Biblical Hebrew. You're not going to convince the haters that way, because their homophobia doesn't come from the Bible: it comes from within.
@88 That's right. Our inability to decipher certain words doesn't mean the text is written imprecisely. That's like calling a book you didn't understand stupid ... because you didn't understand it. Our translations may be imprecise, but the original Hebrew isn't. In fact, it's written very clearly. It's good writing. Beautiful in some places, even.
But the my point is: attacking the Bible only legitimizes it. It's irrelevant to the issue, and should be ignored. Yes, haters use it as support, but there's no point in getting into textual squabbles about Biblical Hebrew. You're not going to convince the haters that way, because their homophobia doesn't come from the Bible: it comes from within.
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For anyone that might be interested, even though this slugfuck has disabled comments on the video, you CAN however, leave comments on the channel!
Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/user/thelotprojec…
Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/user/thelotprojec…
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"The Lot Project?
The same Lot who tried to give his daughters to a mob for them to be raped??
The same Lot who had drunken sex with said two daughters???"
My guess is it is "Lot" as in "vacant."
The same Lot who tried to give his daughters to a mob for them to be raped??
The same Lot who had drunken sex with said two daughters???"
My guess is it is "Lot" as in "vacant."
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Hmmmmm....on YouTube: 'Adding comments has been disabled for this video.' Gee, LOT Project, you can dish it out but can't take it, eh?
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Dan, I'm thinking we shouldn't view this video anymore. More hits on YouTube means a bigger digital footprint for him, which means it's easier to find, which means more people will watch it, and that means a firefight... I think we should be actively ignoring filth like this idiot douche and all others like him. Let's just confront it with more and "Better" videos. Just saying.
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The best response I've ever seen to Bible-thumping turds comes from Grey's Anatomy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gE06o22C…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gE06o22C…
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Fuck the Bible. Fuck Jesus. Fuck God. There is no reason why 5 percent of the population should have to justify their continued existence in an interminable religious kangaroo court. And fuck all of you who have allowed yourselves to be drawn into it.
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I have flagged this video as having Hateful Content. I suggest you all flag it. Perhaps it will be taken down.
He is delighting in the torture and misery of vulnerable teenagers. How disgusting.
The thing I don't understand: people like this worship a god they imagine would torment children with unbearable pain, with no hope of alleviation, for all eternity. 15 years to get your act together, and then, if you don't choose the right religion, torture for all eternity. No hope of redemption after that, no second chances, nothing.
Isn't that kind of god more like, I don't know, the kind of supervillain people would try to defeat over a season of Buffy? Certainly that kind of god doesn't deserve to be worshiped.
He is delighting in the torture and misery of vulnerable teenagers. How disgusting.
The thing I don't understand: people like this worship a god they imagine would torment children with unbearable pain, with no hope of alleviation, for all eternity. 15 years to get your act together, and then, if you don't choose the right religion, torture for all eternity. No hope of redemption after that, no second chances, nothing.
Isn't that kind of god more like, I don't know, the kind of supervillain people would try to defeat over a season of Buffy? Certainly that kind of god doesn't deserve to be worshiped.
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@Radio Free Rome, I agree that there is no *logical* reason why 5 percent of the population should have to justify their continued existence in an interminable religious kangaroo court. But many are expected to do just that. And many *want* to do just that. Some people may be okay with a "fuck everyone" attitude, but others do wish to be seen and heard and valued as part of our society. Either path is okay, as long as we are all choosing our own way.
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Nothing is more perverted than caring deeply about what other people get up to in their bedrooms. I don't understand why people like Charles don't see this. They're the true freakshows.
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I'd listen to God if it spoke up more, but so far nothing; no mysterious voices, no unexplained visions, nothing. :-/
@110: I, myself, have often wondered why on earth anyone would worship an insecure, impotent, sociopathic deity like Yahweh. Even if it were real, it clearly wouldn't be omniscient nor omnipotent, based on Bible stories, and I would therefore devote all of my energy to releasing humanity from its influence.
@110: I, myself, have often wondered why on earth anyone would worship an insecure, impotent, sociopathic deity like Yahweh. Even if it were real, it clearly wouldn't be omniscient nor omnipotent, based on Bible stories, and I would therefore devote all of my energy to releasing humanity from its influence.
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Yes # 6
The same Lot who not only had drunken sex with his two daughters (after his wife was conveniently disposed of by being "turned into a pillar of salt") but got them pregnant too!
Cuz his God apparently loves sex to be drunken, out of wedlock and full of incest!
The same Lot who not only had drunken sex with his two daughters (after his wife was conveniently disposed of by being "turned into a pillar of salt") but got them pregnant too!
Cuz his God apparently loves sex to be drunken, out of wedlock and full of incest!
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@88: The Pentateuch is full of imprecise terminology, and any translation necessarily carries the mark of the translator's mentality. For that reason, Judaism considers the Torah to consist only of the original text in archaic Hebrew and Aramaic. And there is virtually no variation in the Torah around the world; the Old Testament of Christianity may vary from locale to locale, but all Jews have the same exact text written down. If you pick up a Tanakh with a translation in it, you'll see footnotes everywhere, pointing out alternate wording, double meanings, euphemisms, ambiguous terms, and other peculiarities of the text.
Long story short, holy texts are not to be simply read; they are to be individually interpreted and understood.
Long story short, holy texts are not to be simply read; they are to be individually interpreted and understood.
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This video can be flagged as HATE SPEECH without viewing it. Look it up but don't view it. I would love to see the view count as 394 and the thumbs down and hate speech complaints as 15,298,566. That would truly be a WTF moment for this shithead.
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The dark part of my psyche sometimes wishes that homophobes were bullied to the point of taking their own lives themselves.
The compassionate part though understands that causing the amount of emotional distress that drives people to that point is more usually done through ignorance, and immaturity.
I remember times from my own youth when I was a hateful prick, and I couldn't be happier that I grew up. Sometimes "itgetsbetter" is not just for those that got bullied. Maturity helps us all.
The compassionate part though understands that causing the amount of emotional distress that drives people to that point is more usually done through ignorance, and immaturity.
I remember times from my own youth when I was a hateful prick, and I couldn't be happier that I grew up. Sometimes "itgetsbetter" is not just for those that got bullied. Maturity helps us all.
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I would imagine the LOT Project , an organization that uses biblical quotes about love and serving and puts as their mission " is to be a platform for the body of Christ to love, pursue, and provide for the “least of these” both physically and spiritually." - is probably not too happy about a hate group using the same organizational name.
what a horrible hateful group of people (or perhaps one hate fueled geek with server space)
what a horrible hateful group of people (or perhaps one hate fueled geek with server space)
121
I love how the a-hole uses the caveat that no one can argue or question what he is saying because it is clearly written in the bible... LOL!
Basically his argument is the equivalent of saying:
All cats are better than dogs,
they just are,
and that's all there is to it!
(So there!)
Basically his argument is the equivalent of saying:
All cats are better than dogs,
they just are,
and that's all there is to it!
(So there!)
125
@121 Most religious people in America are just that ignorant. They have no concept of logic, or logical fallacy. They have never been taught how to think. I don't think that Plato is on the reading lists in high school.
126
WTF happened to "Whosoever believeth in Me"? Does it have a codicil I don't know about, like "Whosoever believeth in Me, unless you're gay, or feminist, or something icky like that"?
Do these stupid fucks ever stop thumping on their Bibles long enough to, I dunno, READ them?
Do these stupid fucks ever stop thumping on their Bibles long enough to, I dunno, READ them?
127
I didn't hear a word this guy said. I was too fascinated by his ode to Ron Jeremy hair style. By the time I got done debating whether he's the same guy I saw in "Grandpa Teaches Sally a Lesson" on xHamster, he was done talking.
I guess he didn't have anything important to say.
I guess he didn't have anything important to say.
128
I don't know much about YouTube, but I do feel dirty for having been made to go to watch the video there. I wonder if my flagging it as hate speech (YouTube's clear guidelines) will balance my having watched it? I notice I'm not the only one. How many does it take? And to all you "meh" people, Billy says fuck you.
129
I'm not going to watch the video, because I know this type of hate-filled religious spewing almost by rote. It breaks my heart for many reasons, but mostly because I am a Christian myself. The only difference is this: The Christ *I* know, the one who died for my sins, did not preach hate and intolerance but instead spread a message of love and redemption, making no one an outcast but instead bringing even the harshest of sinners into His glory. Being a true Christian means following the way of Christ - showing love and acceptance to all, even if you don't agree with their way of thinking or their actions.
I am Christian. I am bisexual. I am proud of myself and I am proud to have many LGBT friends. Keep on keepin' on, y'all. Love will conquer hate in the end. ♥
I am Christian. I am bisexual. I am proud of myself and I am proud to have many LGBT friends. Keep on keepin' on, y'all. Love will conquer hate in the end. ♥
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The "lotpro.org" web-site has now been suspended by the Canadian ICANN-certified Domain Registrar and it's American reseller yola.com for non-compliance under Canadian Hate Law. Attempts are under way to have the two vidéos uploaded by that web-site removed from YouTube.
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I am Charles Carter, administrator of the LOT Project. Please post this in a conspicuous place. Anyone who thinks that they have a legitimate case to make against what the Bible says about homosexuality can respond to my offer to debate me PUBLICLY!!! Come out from behind your anonomous keyboards, abandon your junior high, profanity laced mentality, and show your face as I have!! Let your private information be made public as I have!! I expect and will receive NO takers!! The reason? No one can defend an undefendable position. Your personal attacks say and prove absoultely nothing. They are desperate attempts to avoid the truth. And why not. After all, that is the real desire isn't it??
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