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Video of the Day Lunchtime Quickie: Girl Throws Puppies Into a River, Ruins the Internet
Posted by Kelly O on Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:51 AM
Sometimes the internet brings us double-rainbows, dancing dogs, and funny grandmas with "dancing" dogs. Other times, it brings us horrible things that we cannot unsee. Things we wish we would have never-ever-never clicked to watch.
Like this girl. I hate this girl. She just ruined my day. My week. If you don't want your day (and week) ruined, then do NOT click this image. Don't do it. I'm telling you, do not watch this...
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It doesn't seem so much cruelty for cruelty's sake as possibly getting rid of an unwanted litter. That one would videotape it seems rather sick. I think it's something people out in the country do/did -- I seem to remember some story of a great uncle of of mine as a child being sent out from their house in Kentucky to go drown a bag of kittens in the river. He did so and was horrified to find the "ghosts" of the wet kittens sitting on the porch when he got back (they'd escaped from the bag and ran back home). Maybe this girl will find the ghosts of these puppies waiting for her too.
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Maybe Kelly posted this to help identify the girl, just like the trash bin cat lady.
I'm trying to get past this myself... Puppies can swim... Right? I'm sure they swam to shore and found loving homes... Right...?
I need to go back to bed.
I'm trying to get past this myself... Puppies can swim... Right? I'm sure they swam to shore and found loving homes... Right...?
I need to go back to bed.
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I saw this last night - I couldn't make it through the whole video - just hearing the little squeak of the first puppy as he hits the water makes me want to die.
I didn't think I could hate anyone more than I hate the cat-in-the garbage bitch. But this girl - I mean really - it makes me feel physically ill I'm so angry.
I didn't think I could hate anyone more than I hate the cat-in-the garbage bitch. But this girl - I mean really - it makes me feel physically ill I'm so angry.
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There seems to be some kind of terrible SLOG war going on between girls and dogs. Yesterday's shit about dogs mauling the girl, in where, Scotland?, was horrible. Now this. And this, too, occurred where, in England? Why?
Are you all just going to just keep posting girl-dog atrocities every day until there are no more dogs or no more girls?
I don't even like dogs but this is pointlessly sadistic. On your part, for posting it.
Are you all just going to just keep posting girl-dog atrocities every day until there are no more dogs or no more girls?
I don't even like dogs but this is pointlessly sadistic. On your part, for posting it.
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You have the right to post what you like, and I love your work and am happy you share it with us. But please don't do this to me again.
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That's what, about an hour's worth of dead puppies in America? I love it when "animal lovers" get all agitated about something like this while ignoring the holocaust going on in shelters in their own neighborhoods, which is caused entirely by oversupply of "cute puppies", buying from mills and breeders, and their own damn refusal to spay and neuter.
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@12, someone roughly located a guess as to the area with some possible friend/family facebook accounts based upon a youtube comment on the page before the video was pulled from youtube. thats about all that has come of it thus far. seeing as its assumed that this is in eastern europe you can be pretty sure that nothing can/will be done about this... unlike some dumb lady in the UK.
and besides... they only really cares about kittens.
and besides... they only really cares about kittens.
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@9: Yes, the /b/ part of the story is interesting in itself. I was amused this morning to see some corners of the internet dissing on /b/ for going after this girl.
@6: I am not going to watch the video myself, but I heard that she laughs while she's throwing the puppies in.
@6: I am not going to watch the video myself, but I heard that she laughs while she's throwing the puppies in.
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I thought that 4chan had gone berserk over Mary Bale (cat-in-bin lady), but /b/ is just full of two types of competing threads:
A: This bitch must die. Fellow anons, hunt her down and put her personal information on the Interbutts!
B: Quit complaining, moralfags. Everyone post animal gore!
In other words, /b/ is /b/.
A: This bitch must die. Fellow anons, hunt her down and put her personal information on the Interbutts!
B: Quit complaining, moralfags. Everyone post animal gore!
In other words, /b/ is /b/.
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One of the related videos is "Puppies stolen as family held at gunpoint". Someone should get them together.
#16 shelters drown puppies?
#16 shelters drown puppies?
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@21, no they don't drown them. They kill them very tastefully, even as hundreds more unwanted dogs and cats are brought through the damn door.
I imagine the dalmation holocaust is tapering off, just as the micro-chihuahua one is taking off, now that the dog of choice is apparently changed to boxers.
I imagine the dalmation holocaust is tapering off, just as the micro-chihuahua one is taking off, now that the dog of choice is apparently changed to boxers.
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Sheesh, this seems to bug you guys more than that girl in Afghanistan that got her nose cut off.
Looks country to me--always something needing killing on the farm. If this seems cruel, don't think too hard about how they make the eggs you had for breakfast.
Looks country to me--always something needing killing on the farm. If this seems cruel, don't think too hard about how they make the eggs you had for breakfast.
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@16 - Thank you. No way in hell am I watching that horrible video, but people everywhere effectively ask shelters to do this dirty work for them every day. ALL pets should be neutered, sans a difficult to obtain (in a perfect world) breeder's license. We can make more when the shelters start running low.
Before some militant vegetarians try to draw an analogy; no, it is not comparable.
Before some militant vegetarians try to draw an analogy; no, it is not comparable.
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How do they kill puppies at shelters? Leathal injection? Poison? I think we should make some equal time for the everyday atrocities along with the odd sensational drowning or binning.
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@16. get off your high horse and while you're at it, take a rest from your arrogant assumptions. I am a dog owner and lover. I rescued my dog from the pound. But you assume no one does that? what? or no one upset by this is aware of or cares about the overpopulation/overbreeding of animals in america? and no one in america--least of all people who are sickened by this video--spay or neuter. nope. you denounce them therefor you must know! what pointless castigations and arrogance.
But, really, even if I hadn't chosen to raise a rescue dog (neutered), I would have every reason to be horrified by this video. That reason is called humanity. Let people express some of that without making gross assumptions and shitting all over them.
I hope this woman and her video friend go to jail for a long time. I bet they won't though.
But, really, even if I hadn't chosen to raise a rescue dog (neutered), I would have every reason to be horrified by this video. That reason is called humanity. Let people express some of that without making gross assumptions and shitting all over them.
I hope this woman and her video friend go to jail for a long time. I bet they won't though.
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@7, no one cares what you do. Individuals don't matter. In this country, there's about 20 animals professionally put down PER MINUTE (I underestimated drastically before). The one who is on his high horse is YOU, pretending that because you did some inconsequential thing (adopt one out of five million a year) that your neighbors aren't your neighbors, "nope, nothing to do with me, I'm not really here, here, bowser, have a treat".
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Surprised no one's posted the Heaney poem:
http://isobelandcat.wordpress.com/2010/0…
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‘Prevention of cruelty’ talk cuts ice in town
Where they consider death unnatural
But on well-run farms pests have to be kept down.
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I myself have no pets.
http://isobelandcat.wordpress.com/2010/0…
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‘Prevention of cruelty’ talk cuts ice in town
Where they consider death unnatural
But on well-run farms pests have to be kept down.
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I myself have no pets.
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AAAAAAAH
WHY WOULD ANYONE FILM THAT
MY SOUL IS CRUSHED
I want to go out and adopt a puppy right now but my boyfriend's allergic. Fnarf, do you know of a good no-kill animal shelter or rescue to give money to?
WHY WOULD ANYONE FILM THAT
MY SOUL IS CRUSHED
I want to go out and adopt a puppy right now but my boyfriend's allergic. Fnarf, do you know of a good no-kill animal shelter or rescue to give money to?
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It doesn't seem like the puppies were disposed of with any particular or intended cruelty. Instead, it seems like expedience of disposal of an unwanted littler was the intent. Drowning early is probably preferable to starvation, neglect or abuse later.
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Fnarf, you're being a dipshit (as usual.)
Yes people refusing to spay and neuter their dogs are assholes. Yes people who buy from breeders/mills instead of rescuing from the pound could be nicer and rescue a dog instead.
However, pretending that either of those is comparable to throwing a bucket full of live puppies into a river is completely fucking retarded. I mean, I don't even need to get into why it's retarded. It's just obviously retarded. Pull your head out of your fuckin ass, dipshit.
Yes people refusing to spay and neuter their dogs are assholes. Yes people who buy from breeders/mills instead of rescuing from the pound could be nicer and rescue a dog instead.
However, pretending that either of those is comparable to throwing a bucket full of live puppies into a river is completely fucking retarded. I mean, I don't even need to get into why it's retarded. It's just obviously retarded. Pull your head out of your fuckin ass, dipshit.
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@ Fnarf, so your solution is... what? STOP euthanizing unwanted pets?
I don't know a single "animal lover" who doesn't already spay and neuter. I have one unfortunate relative with a taste for purebreds, and I doubt the breeders she's patronized three times in the last decade were all ethical (that is, not puppy mills) but you're failing to make the case that there's some big hypocrisy going on here.
I don't know a single "animal lover" who doesn't already spay and neuter. I have one unfortunate relative with a taste for purebreds, and I doubt the breeders she's patronized three times in the last decade were all ethical (that is, not puppy mills) but you're failing to make the case that there's some big hypocrisy going on here.
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All we can hope is that someone takes this bitch ties an anchor to her and throws her sorry ass into the ocean.
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I wish some would have thrown this fucked up little fuck in the river, after binding her fucked up legs and arms together. Duct tape over her nose and mouth would have been OK too.
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for heaven's sake fnarf and others - so we aren't supposed to be bothered by ANYTHING bc there is ALWAYS something worse out there in the world? don't let Katrina bother you folks, the flooding in Pakistan is way worse!
show me a video of a shelter humanely putting down 100 animals in a day and yeah, i'll be upset too. but this is the beauty (or fallacy) of the internet - the video is right there in front of us and yes, it is upsetting.
and c'mon, intentionally inflicting suffering doesn't merit just a tad of indignation or anger or sympathy? you see (or read about) a video like this and it doesn't bother you one teeny weenie bit bc hey man, there is flooding in Pakistan? it didn't affect you at all eh?
and btw, i too have now adopted 3 stray animals. i spay/neuter my animals. and i would never go to a breeder.
show me a video of a shelter humanely putting down 100 animals in a day and yeah, i'll be upset too. but this is the beauty (or fallacy) of the internet - the video is right there in front of us and yes, it is upsetting.
and c'mon, intentionally inflicting suffering doesn't merit just a tad of indignation or anger or sympathy? you see (or read about) a video like this and it doesn't bother you one teeny weenie bit bc hey man, there is flooding in Pakistan? it didn't affect you at all eh?
and btw, i too have now adopted 3 stray animals. i spay/neuter my animals. and i would never go to a breeder.
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@37 Filming it didn't serve a purpose, but people film everything these days. Throwing them presumably was intended to assure that the bodies would be washed away. Definitely this should be regarded as littering, no pun intended.
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@28. You say individuals don't matter. (I'll set aside for a second the ludicrous notion that individuals don't matter when we can only have a collective or a society when we have a gathering of individuals.) If individuals don't matter, why did you join a thread where individuals were showing concern and grief over a terrible act of cruelty and belittle their feelings? Save it for a billboard. Make a big protest sign and get your rocks off for being so much better than everyone else. Some people here clearly care about animals and are sickened by this. Let them. Butt out if you don't care or you think it's pointless. But let them.
Furthermore, since you say individuals don't matter, I guess the examples they offer can't matter; it can't matter to my dog either, or my neighbor's dog who was a rescue, or to my other neighbor who gathered a half dozen stray cats and got them neutered. Totally pointless. We're all horrible for...what...being aware and caring? People should be horrified by puppy mills, you seem to say, but it's pointless and meaningless if they rescue a dog from a shelter. Make up your mind. And please take your ill-placed, inconsiderate defamations to a different thread. I'll happily join you there to hear your solution to the problem. (What will it be I wonder? outlawing all pets? outlawing people expressing grief over specific acts of cruelty? rounding up each and every pet in the world, tell them they are inconsequential, bad bad little pets that no one loves, neuter them no matter their owner's wish and declare victory? But don't let any of those damn individuals help with this! Masses of robots only! No individuals!!)
In the meantime, drop it from this thread and just let people feel some humanity without you dumping on them.
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Furthermore, since you say individuals don't matter, I guess the examples they offer can't matter; it can't matter to my dog either, or my neighbor's dog who was a rescue, or to my other neighbor who gathered a half dozen stray cats and got them neutered. Totally pointless. We're all horrible for...what...being aware and caring? People should be horrified by puppy mills, you seem to say, but it's pointless and meaningless if they rescue a dog from a shelter. Make up your mind. And please take your ill-placed, inconsiderate defamations to a different thread. I'll happily join you there to hear your solution to the problem. (What will it be I wonder? outlawing all pets? outlawing people expressing grief over specific acts of cruelty? rounding up each and every pet in the world, tell them they are inconsequential, bad bad little pets that no one loves, neuter them no matter their owner's wish and declare victory? But don't let any of those damn individuals help with this! Masses of robots only! No individuals!!)
In the meantime, drop it from this thread and just let people feel some humanity without you dumping on them.
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If she had to get rid of these puppies, what better method would have there been than drowning? Filming it may be in bad taste, but I'm not particularly bothered. Wild animals die harsher deaths every day. Some of you are too squeamish about death.
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@33, I'm not comparing "animal lovers" to this person in the video. I'm saying that people who get all weepy when they see someone doing something thousands of miles away but are oblivious when something very similar happens a few blocks from their house are hypocrites. Oh, this terrible woman getting rid of animals she doesn't want, that's way different than what happens -- poof! poof! poof!, twenty times in the time it took me to type this -- right next door.
You all think you're being "sensitive to cruelty" but really you're just exercising your outrage muscle. No animals will be saved by your ludicrous tears.
I'm not particularly interested in "solutions", but hypocrisy is fascinating to me. If I had to pick, I'd say "ban pets", but there are lots of more moderate things that could be done if anybody gave a shit about them.
You all think you're being "sensitive to cruelty" but really you're just exercising your outrage muscle. No animals will be saved by your ludicrous tears.
I'm not particularly interested in "solutions", but hypocrisy is fascinating to me. If I had to pick, I'd say "ban pets", but there are lots of more moderate things that could be done if anybody gave a shit about them.
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Is it wrong to think that justice would be served if that ugly flasher that David Schmader posted about at 1:15pm were to jump out of the bushes and scare the girl and the person with the camera into the water?
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Will somebody neuter "Fnarf" please? Jesus christ, this guy is annoying. A hundred posts a day! Does this obnoxious asshole do anything else with his time but post on here?
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@46,
Jesus Christ. When did you join PETA?
Intentionally inflicting harm on animals for fun (and not for profit) is correlated with anti-human sociopathic behavior.
Jesus Christ. When did you join PETA?
Intentionally inflicting harm on animals for fun (and not for profit) is correlated with anti-human sociopathic behavior.
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@49, to paraphrase Charles Mudede, we are never more fully human than when we are stupidly hurting animals.
The girl in the video is not hurting animals for fun; she's doing it to solve a problem that needs to be solved. The puppies need to be killed. You don't have any better ideas for her, do you? They probably don't even have SPCA shelters where she lives. Is she enjoying her work a little too much? Sure. Is it cruel? Yes, of course. Is it horrible? Yes, of course it's horrible.
The girl in the video is not hurting animals for fun; she's doing it to solve a problem that needs to be solved. The puppies need to be killed. You don't have any better ideas for her, do you? They probably don't even have SPCA shelters where she lives. Is she enjoying her work a little too much? Sure. Is it cruel? Yes, of course. Is it horrible? Yes, of course it's horrible.
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Fnarf, I think YOU'RE the only one "flexing his outrage muscle." I hope it's making you feel better, because it sure isn't accomplishing anything else.
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@50 -- Why can't she find people to love these puppies? You know, the same thing tons of people do in North America (found my cat on Kijiji).
Because it's possible that her family BREEDS purebreds, and these dogs were the product of an unwanted dog humping their bitch. Mutt puppies=no profit=death. That's sad.
Because it's possible that her family BREEDS purebreds, and these dogs were the product of an unwanted dog humping their bitch. Mutt puppies=no profit=death. That's sad.
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@51, I'm not outraged. So I don't think your thesis is correct.
@52, they don't have Kijiji in Bosnia. They're pretty familiar with death, though; Srebrenica's in Bosnia. Surviving (or perpetrating, who knows) a genocide might alter your perspective on a bucket of puppies you can't feed.
@52, they don't have Kijiji in Bosnia. They're pretty familiar with death, though; Srebrenica's in Bosnia. Surviving (or perpetrating, who knows) a genocide might alter your perspective on a bucket of puppies you can't feed.
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Don't mind Fnarf. Someone drowned his puppy when he was a little boy and his misguided therapist told him that the only way to heal was to troll comment sections on the internet.
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@50 et al.- Maybe I missed it, but at what point is it made clear in the video that her intent was to humanely euthanize puppies, and not just killing animals on video for fun? I sure as hell didn't see that clarification made anywhere, so unless this girl has come out elsewhere to defend herself and her actions, you're just talking out of your ass.
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wow, I know this might be the way to dispose of unwanted puppies, but I cant watch it. Very American of me, I know, but I have to draw a line somewhere.
I know animals are killed right down the hill from me at the shelter, but no one videos it and puts it on the internet. It is the voyeur quality to it that takes it from dead puppies to snuff film and I know Rule 34 is in action here.
Bad, horrible disgusting shit happens. and people video it... I know that. I just can't.
Kelly, I am disappointed that you thought this would make an interesting video for SLOG today.
I know animals are killed right down the hill from me at the shelter, but no one videos it and puts it on the internet. It is the voyeur quality to it that takes it from dead puppies to snuff film and I know Rule 34 is in action here.
Bad, horrible disgusting shit happens. and people video it... I know that. I just can't.
Kelly, I am disappointed that you thought this would make an interesting video for SLOG today.
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@56, where do you think she got a bucketful of puppies? The bait shop? In most places a bucketful of puppies is a problem that needs to be solved. I'll bet there's more than a few of those buckets on farms in America, too.
@57, the thing is, whatever the motivations of the people in the video, the people sensationalizing it after the fact are the outraged, not people getting off on it. No one's getting off on it; they're getting off on being offended by it.
@57, the thing is, whatever the motivations of the people in the video, the people sensationalizing it after the fact are the outraged, not people getting off on it. No one's getting off on it; they're getting off on being offended by it.
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@54 -- there are other ways of finding homes for puppies than Kijiji, OBVIOUSLY. That was my example that giving away pets happens quite often. Friends? Family? Hanging posters? They do have pens and paper in Bosnia, right?
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Fnarf, please don't fucking patronize me.
I don't care where you live, there are better ways of getting rid of puppies than THROWING THEM IN A FUCKING RIVER. Like you know, finding HOMES for them.
I don't care where you live, there are better ways of getting rid of puppies than THROWING THEM IN A FUCKING RIVER. Like you know, finding HOMES for them.
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@62, Bosnia is chock-a-block with stray dogs, millions of them, ever since the war. Everywhere you look, dozens of scruffy dogs, including puppies. Anyone but anyone who wants a dog can have their pick of hundreds, right outside their door. It's a major problem there. Google it == bosnia stray dogs. They have periodic mass roundups, like we do with geese at Green Lake, but they're still everywhere.
And even in cuddly countries like the USA there are no homes for five million a year. If you think we just need to put up five million more flyers, you're deluded. We don't throw them in a fucking river; we inject or gas them. We don't video it and put it on the internet. I guess we're pretty civilized, hey, what!
I'm sorry if I repeat myself or sound patronizing to you, but the message doesn't appear to be getting through. The American attitude toward dogs is (a) rare and (b) hypocritical.
If you ever visit Mexico, you're in for a shock as well. Homeless dogs everywhere -- they outnumber the people in some places. Mexicans typically kick them on sight -- otherwise they'll bite you or steal your food or worse, start following you everywhere. Better bring a Sharpie for those posters.
And even in cuddly countries like the USA there are no homes for five million a year. If you think we just need to put up five million more flyers, you're deluded. We don't throw them in a fucking river; we inject or gas them. We don't video it and put it on the internet. I guess we're pretty civilized, hey, what!
I'm sorry if I repeat myself or sound patronizing to you, but the message doesn't appear to be getting through. The American attitude toward dogs is (a) rare and (b) hypocritical.
If you ever visit Mexico, you're in for a shock as well. Homeless dogs everywhere -- they outnumber the people in some places. Mexicans typically kick them on sight -- otherwise they'll bite you or steal your food or worse, start following you everywhere. Better bring a Sharpie for those posters.
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I do realize there is an overpopulation problem, but I don't think that's an excuse for acting like a soulless piece of shit.
I'm not some kind of animal rights activist -- I enjoy a good juicy steak and the occasional fall deer hunt. And yes, we kill overpopulated animals here, but I feel that gas/lethal injection is much more humane than throwing a puppy in a river. What would you rather -- fall asleep and never wake up, or panic and drown is a fast moving river (after being airborne, no less)? I pick the needle.
And if these things MUST be done (of which I'm still not convinced), there's obviously something wrong with anyone who thinks filming it is okay. But, I don't think anyone's arguing that point.
Also, I apologize for the attitude in my last post. The fire alarm in my apartment has gone off SIX times today and I'm slightly on edge because of it.
I'm not some kind of animal rights activist -- I enjoy a good juicy steak and the occasional fall deer hunt. And yes, we kill overpopulated animals here, but I feel that gas/lethal injection is much more humane than throwing a puppy in a river. What would you rather -- fall asleep and never wake up, or panic and drown is a fast moving river (after being airborne, no less)? I pick the needle.
And if these things MUST be done (of which I'm still not convinced), there's obviously something wrong with anyone who thinks filming it is okay. But, I don't think anyone's arguing that point.
Also, I apologize for the attitude in my last post. The fire alarm in my apartment has gone off SIX times today and I'm slightly on edge because of it.
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@65, You don't have to apologize. I know perfectly well that I'm winding you up. I am a bastard. It is my nature. It is my gift.
@61, outrage isn't my tone. Scorn, maybe.
@61, outrage isn't my tone. Scorn, maybe.
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The last time ya'll told me not to click a link, it was that goddamned Human Centipede commercial, and I wish I'd listened. So no puppies, thanks.
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50 -fnarf - give me a break, outrageous one. you are quoting Mudede?
how bout the flipside of that argument full of holes-
we are never more human than when we are caring for animals and treating them well.
plenty of animals are cruel. monkeys are the most cruel beings on the planet. but virtually no animal is so generous to as many other species as we are.
so when we see such cruelty in humans, we react with outrage and disgust BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN and what makes us special is our humanity, that HUMANE way that we treat others.
how bout the flipside of that argument full of holes-
we are never more human than when we are caring for animals and treating them well.
plenty of animals are cruel. monkeys are the most cruel beings on the planet. but virtually no animal is so generous to as many other species as we are.
so when we see such cruelty in humans, we react with outrage and disgust BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN and what makes us special is our humanity, that HUMANE way that we treat others.
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@64
The US is "chock-a-block" full of assholes, like you have demonstrated, over and over again. Does that mean someone should take you down to the river?
The US is "chock-a-block" full of assholes, like you have demonstrated, over and over again. Does that mean someone should take you down to the river?
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I have to back Fnarf on this one. This is unfortunately how a real problem is solved in rural areas - and lethal injections are too sophisticated / expensive / toxic. What are you supposed to do with 6-8 little poisoned puppies? That would present a pollution risk that is higher and nastier than what we see here.
This is unfortunately the way to go when you have no other resources (please watch yourselves in the mirror when you say she should find 6-8 "loving homes" for these animals, given the culture/poverty/extreme numbers of the stray dog population).
Not pretty, but neither is slaughtering animals. And worse is the "see no evil / hear no evil" hypocrisy that more industrially advanced cultures have about the blood sacrifice that their food pyramids / pet industry are based on.
This is unfortunately the way to go when you have no other resources (please watch yourselves in the mirror when you say she should find 6-8 "loving homes" for these animals, given the culture/poverty/extreme numbers of the stray dog population).
Not pretty, but neither is slaughtering animals. And worse is the "see no evil / hear no evil" hypocrisy that more industrially advanced cultures have about the blood sacrifice that their food pyramids / pet industry are based on.
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71 - i dunno, if learned from someone who knows how to do it right, cervical dislocation can probably be performed more humanely on newborn puppies than drowning. or even decapitation (those rural folks are always chopping firewood, right?). or a *good* knock on the head.
not totally sure on that, but those methods should be discussed before categorically saying that drowning is most humane. newborn puppies can't really struggle much. maybe those methods are easier to perform than people think. but people are lazily averse to a little blood and gore, so they go the drowning route. not even a mess to clean up! if extra puppies are as common as some suggest, then these methods could be passed down from one generation to the next (sure, a neophyte might screw up and a puppy could die slowly, hence the need to learn it from mom or pop or uncle or whatever).
puppy in warm cuddly sack. puppy in hand for a few seconds and BAM. puppy dead. or, puppy in warm cuddly sack, puppy falling through air (panic), puppy hitting water (panic), puppy COLD and WET (horrible for little baby mammals), puppy feeling water coming in through nose and mouth (terror, panic), puppy struggling (panic) puppy suffocating (panic, HUGE discomfort), and ok, finally, puppy unconscious. THEN puppy dead.
not totally sure on that, but those methods should be discussed before categorically saying that drowning is most humane. newborn puppies can't really struggle much. maybe those methods are easier to perform than people think. but people are lazily averse to a little blood and gore, so they go the drowning route. not even a mess to clean up! if extra puppies are as common as some suggest, then these methods could be passed down from one generation to the next (sure, a neophyte might screw up and a puppy could die slowly, hence the need to learn it from mom or pop or uncle or whatever).
puppy in warm cuddly sack. puppy in hand for a few seconds and BAM. puppy dead. or, puppy in warm cuddly sack, puppy falling through air (panic), puppy hitting water (panic), puppy COLD and WET (horrible for little baby mammals), puppy feeling water coming in through nose and mouth (terror, panic), puppy struggling (panic) puppy suffocating (panic, HUGE discomfort), and ok, finally, puppy unconscious. THEN puppy dead.
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mammals and birds are decapitated or cervically dislocated by the thousands EVERY DAY in scientific labs and it is approved by animal care as humane. anybody outraged?
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Yes, this is horrible and the puppies probably drowned, which is an awful death. But the girl isn't being overtly cruel; she's just obviously not thinking about it and has her empathy turned off. If she were enjoying their suffering, she'd drown them with her bare hands or drop them in the water close to her so she could watch. Instead, she throws them far out in the middle of the river so she doesn't have to watch them. She also treats them like bricks and doesn't look at them; I imagine so she won't bond with them. That the puppies died an awful death doesn't make her intentionally cruel or evil -- this is the gray world outside of the privileged urban American middle class. If you want to do something about it, give people in other parts of the world the will and ability to easily spay/neuter their animals, or give them the chemicals necessary to humanely euthanize their unwanted animals.
In other words, an evil result doesn't make the perpetrator evil. Just like evil people can sometimes do things with good results. More to the point, bitching about it on the internets only serves to make you feel morally superior because if you admitted to yourself what you were REALLY doing -- being a smarmy classist asshole -- you might hurt your own feewings.
In other words, an evil result doesn't make the perpetrator evil. Just like evil people can sometimes do things with good results. More to the point, bitching about it on the internets only serves to make you feel morally superior because if you admitted to yourself what you were REALLY doing -- being a smarmy classist asshole -- you might hurt your own feewings.
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Actually, onion, I agree with you about drowning vs. cervical dislocation. But outraged people likely wouldn't. Paradoxically, cervical dislocation, which is chopping heads off, takes more guts and looks more cruel to the perpetrator and an outsider. Can you even IMAGINE an equivalent video of the girl chopping puppies with an axe??
We have moral questions about this concerning humane euthanasia all the time. Despite what people claim to believe (less suffering for the animal), what people usually react to is the appearance of the act (screw what the animal might be feeling; I just don't want to think about it). This is how you end up with lethal injections as opposed to electrocution -- it *looks* like the person/animal is just being put to sleep when really they are simply paralyzed with one drug and might be screaming in their heads about the agony of the other.
We have moral questions about this concerning humane euthanasia all the time. Despite what people claim to believe (less suffering for the animal), what people usually react to is the appearance of the act (screw what the animal might be feeling; I just don't want to think about it). This is how you end up with lethal injections as opposed to electrocution -- it *looks* like the person/animal is just being put to sleep when really they are simply paralyzed with one drug and might be screaming in their heads about the agony of the other.
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Yeah, I'm with fnarf on this one. You all need to stop pretending that it's easy to get puppies homes, and that drowning is particularly cruel-it's not, it's subjective and actually reasonably human-or that this girl who is probably in a third world country is enjoying drowning puppies. Also, stop your whining. When you can't counter fnarf's arguments, you just start calling him out on his tone, which addresses nothing.
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Also, whatever Onion, your whole puppy decapitation versus puppy drowning statement is an appeal to emotion, which is categorically illogical.
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@75- cervical dislocation is breaking the animals' necks. chopping off of heads is simply decapitation. either is a quicker death than drowning.
but decap is messy, and cervical dislocation isn't a sure shot in untrained hands even on a mouse. not sure if a puppy would be harder.
but decap is messy, and cervical dislocation isn't a sure shot in untrained hands even on a mouse. not sure if a puppy would be harder.
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I love it when people flip out over animal overpopulation when there are almost 7 billion humans on the planet.
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I love it when people flip out over animal overpopulation when there are almost 7 billion humans on the planet.
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Um. Have any of you people upset about these drowning puppies ever worked on a farm? Raised on a farm? Spent a lot of time on farms in rural areas?
Yeah, thought not.
Some animals will be breakfast, some will be used to work the farm, some to make money, and the ones that you can't feed or care for properly will die.
Yes, it is more humane to drown them at birth. For example, farms in VT often have dozens of barn cats- sick, sick, inbred barn cats with weeping diseased eyes and shit that suffer and starve. They appear out of nowhere, and breed like crazy, and are sick enough that they will never be healthy, even when adopted (which is inadvisable and therefore rare). Anyway, when winter comes: no more cats. No one thinks too deeply about it. They are not pets. Is it cruel to eat the cow that no longer produces milk? Or shoot the lame horse? Animals are often expensive, eat a lot and require a lot of maintenance. Sure, it is sad to kill an animal and that is why country people don't think too deeply about it. Because there is NOT any other solution. So the culture is just to save what can be saved, use what can be used, and not be upset and theatrical about it.
It is just a fact of life. And I understand not wanting to watch the movie (I mean, I didn't). But saying this girl should be thrown in the river to drown or that she is some kind of monster is just ridiculous.
Yeah, thought not.
Some animals will be breakfast, some will be used to work the farm, some to make money, and the ones that you can't feed or care for properly will die.
Yes, it is more humane to drown them at birth. For example, farms in VT often have dozens of barn cats- sick, sick, inbred barn cats with weeping diseased eyes and shit that suffer and starve. They appear out of nowhere, and breed like crazy, and are sick enough that they will never be healthy, even when adopted (which is inadvisable and therefore rare). Anyway, when winter comes: no more cats. No one thinks too deeply about it. They are not pets. Is it cruel to eat the cow that no longer produces milk? Or shoot the lame horse? Animals are often expensive, eat a lot and require a lot of maintenance. Sure, it is sad to kill an animal and that is why country people don't think too deeply about it. Because there is NOT any other solution. So the culture is just to save what can be saved, use what can be used, and not be upset and theatrical about it.
It is just a fact of life. And I understand not wanting to watch the movie (I mean, I didn't). But saying this girl should be thrown in the river to drown or that she is some kind of monster is just ridiculous.
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If you can't afford to spay or neuter your pets, then keep them in your fucking house when they are in heat.
Is it that fucking difficult to understand?? Apparently so, for this douchebag throwing the puppies in the water.
Is it that fucking difficult to understand?? Apparently so, for this douchebag throwing the puppies in the water.
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Being around animals that breed, or being involved with any form of animal farming/husbandry involves a certain level of cruelty. It is important, however, when you are committing these acts of animal cruelty, to (a) not record it, and (b) do it with some form of respect and dignity. Let it be understood that this video is not representative of garden-variety, "humane" cruelty, and such should not be viewed as an educational tool to show "what life is like in the country, where we're REAL, and not hypocrites!". Even the (fictional?) person at the pet shop drowning cats (allegedly) does it with a frown and without throwing the damned thing 30 feet! And, even a person who puts animals to sleep for a paycheck would react with disgust to this video (and no, that isn't hypocrisy).
Obviously, there's a fine line between cruel & unusual, and cruel but necessary (if not completely understood or "acceptable"). The subject of this video quite clearly crosses that line, by throwing, one by one, the pups into a river-- and did I hear a "whee!"?. There isn't even a guarantee this will do the job, for Christ's sake. And if it does work, the little corpses are going to wash ashore somewhere, which has a negative effect downstream, to say the least. Why Fnarf is all in a huff about this escapes me, unless he feels that my first paragraph is a minority opinion on here. I don't believe he thinks we're all insulated from the harsh facts of life, being city folk, but that seems to be his message.
Obviously, there's a fine line between cruel & unusual, and cruel but necessary (if not completely understood or "acceptable"). The subject of this video quite clearly crosses that line, by throwing, one by one, the pups into a river-- and did I hear a "whee!"?. There isn't even a guarantee this will do the job, for Christ's sake. And if it does work, the little corpses are going to wash ashore somewhere, which has a negative effect downstream, to say the least. Why Fnarf is all in a huff about this escapes me, unless he feels that my first paragraph is a minority opinion on here. I don't believe he thinks we're all insulated from the harsh facts of life, being city folk, but that seems to be his message.
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@ 87,
And she should have done what, exactly? Filming it and saying "whee" was obviously distasteful, and it shows how little empathy they have for the puppies, but respect or no respect, filming or no filming, puppies suffer. So what exactly was she supposed to do that would have made difference for the puppies? I assume she was not trained in cervical dislocation, so that was probably not an option. Being familiar with the region I venture to say that euthanizing the animals in a shelter was not an option either. And being familiar with the few "shelters" that do exist in the region, I venture to say that this is definitely the more humane way to kill them. Can you wrap your head around using DISH SOAP injections as euthanizing agent? Well, that's what they use there, because it's cheap. Operative word for the region: POOR, POOR, POOR.
And she should have done what, exactly? Filming it and saying "whee" was obviously distasteful, and it shows how little empathy they have for the puppies, but respect or no respect, filming or no filming, puppies suffer. So what exactly was she supposed to do that would have made difference for the puppies? I assume she was not trained in cervical dislocation, so that was probably not an option. Being familiar with the region I venture to say that euthanizing the animals in a shelter was not an option either. And being familiar with the few "shelters" that do exist in the region, I venture to say that this is definitely the more humane way to kill them. Can you wrap your head around using DISH SOAP injections as euthanizing agent? Well, that's what they use there, because it's cheap. Operative word for the region: POOR, POOR, POOR.
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that girl is a horrible ugly b**ch!!!! she's the one that needs the be drowned in the river!!! i hope she rots in hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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