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Thursday, August 26, 2010

Andrew "I'm Sorry" Marin Lurvs Peter "Porno Pete" LaBarbera

Posted by on Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:03 AM

Andrew "I'm Sorry" Marin is making the rounds on the blogs again—Chris Bodenner praised Marin's efforts in a recent post at Sullivan—and people are calling bullshit. Sorry or not, Marin is out there peddling the same line of love-the-sinner-hate-the-sin bullshit as his not-pretending-to-be-sorry bigoted coreligionists. Only Marin is media savvy enough to peddle his hate at gay pride parades wearing "I'm Sorry" t-shirts instead of waving "God Hates Fags" signs. Chris tries to see the bright side:

Starting with the fact that Marin named his foundation after himself, he does appear to be a shameless self-promoter (though he's certainly not the only one profiting off the struggle). Still, his approach is a hell of a lot better than protesting outside gay couples' houses or screaming "God hates fags" in people's faces. Perhaps his greatest influence on the culture wars will be a lowering of the temperature rather than anything he does directly, since "homosexuality is a sin" is a pretty intractable and pointless position.

If Marin were interested in "lowering the temperature," if he genuinely disapproved of the kind of anti-gay rhetoric that employed by homosexually-obsessed rightwing Christian bigots, then Marin would have nothing to do with the likes of, say, Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality. LaBarbera is a deranged hater with some very serious issues. (Porno Pete just can't stop going undercover at gay leather/fetish/BDSM events to snap expose-the-truth pictures of all the dirty—despite the fact organizers of these events are only to happy to post pictures on their own websites of all the dirty.) So does Marin distance himself from LaBarbera? Nope. Marin sticks his forked tongue right up LaBarbera's vile ass:

The Marin Foundation builds bridges with the gay and lesbian community. Americans for Truth erects fences to contain the influence of that community. Some may see them as opponents. But in reality, Marin and LaBarbera simply represent two sides of the same coin. Marin emphasizes God’s love; LaBarbera stresses God’s truth. But both do God’s work.

Fortunately, LaBarbera and Marin understand this reality and don’t fall into the opposition mentality that plagues so many believers. Too often, Christians with such divergent calls fail to see they’re on the same team. They’re like an offense unable to see that the points their defense prevents matter every bit as much as the points their offense scores. Marin and LaBarbera, however, demonstrated remarkable maturity during a segment on the Morning Program last week. Marin was discussing his ministry to gays when LaBarbera called in. Some might expect LaBarbera—given the antipathy gay activists express towards his work—to chide Marin for cavorting with the enemy.

But LaBarbera rightly understands that his struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the spiritual forces of evil. Gay activists are not our enemies. They’re victims of the evil one—deceived and in need of the same redemption God’s granted every believer. That’s why LaBarbera could bless Marin’s work. And he could thank God that Marin is engaging people in spiritual discussions who otherwise never would talk to a born-again believer.

Similarly, Marin praised LaBarbera for his work, reminding listeners that this defender of truth—quote—“takes the bullet for all of us.” Understandably, LaBarbera may make Marin’s work more difficult. By opposing the gay agenda in politics and schools, he’s angered many gays and lesbians and possibly made them more resistant to the gospel. But Marin rightly understands that Christians can’t remain silent while the culture capitulates to Satan’s schemes.

A fundamentalist Christian who was sincerely interested in "lowering the temperature" would be calling out the vile, homophobic, unapologetically hateful Peter LaBarbera. But Marin isn't interested in "lowering the temperature" or building bridges. He's interested in working an angle.

Marin is a scam artist who preys on emotionally vulnerable gays and lesbians, men and women who have been spiritually wounded by his coreligionists, and his goals are indistinguishable from those of LaBarbera and the American Family Assocation and George Reker: convince us that God does indeed hates fags, that our loves are abominations, that our desire for intimacy is a sin, and turn us away from each other, our families. The only thing that distinguishes Marin from LaBarbera is that Porn Pete isn't selling t-shirts.

Signorile has done a great job exposing Marin for the vile scam artist he is—see here, here, and here.

 

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gloomy gus 1
It took me so long to figure out who you were talking about and why! I am so out of the loop, I fear.
Posted by gloomy gus on August 26, 2010 at 10:09 AM
Karl42 2
Man, and I had thought when seeing pictures of these people at pride parades that they really WERE remorseful at the bigoted things that religion has done to the gay community over the years.

If I were gay and had invested myself emotionally into Marin's line of bullshit, I would feel infinitely more betrayed.
Posted by Karl42 on August 26, 2010 at 10:23 AM
3
Damn Dan, you were fawning all over this guy a couple of weeks ago.
Is Terri messing with your dosages?
Posted by DrPhil on August 26, 2010 at 10:26 AM
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fuck these christian douchebags.

they had us fooled for a moment there.

maybe we should just quit paying attention to them...
Posted by mikeyg on August 26, 2010 at 10:33 AM
kim in portland 5
I'm in no way defending these individuals.

Sometime the right approach is hanging in there with someone (or an organization) that you disagree with (and even loath), because you can see that burning a bridge will bring too much suffering down the road. That is how it works for me, and my family, we endure a denomination and a pastoral leadership team that we disagree with for one 15 year old who has outed herself to us and is terrified to tell her pastoral team parents. Walking or burning a bridge means we loose the ability to counter the "love the sinner and hate the sin", and we risk loosing our ability to be a safe home for her to come to. So, being associated with something that we disagree (too mild of a word) is a very small price to pay that is easily, willingly, paid.

Again, I'm not defending these individuals, just pointing out that "Fuck Off" is not always the wisest choice.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on August 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM
Vince 6
They can fuck off! Religion always was, is and will be a big fucking lie. They can frost their hate with pretty pink frosting but it's still bullshit cake.
Posted by Vince on August 26, 2010 at 10:54 AM
gloomy gus 7
Thank you, kim.
Posted by gloomy gus on August 26, 2010 at 10:59 AM
Hernandez 8
@5 That is a good thing you're doing, Kim. Thank you for choosing the high road and sacrificing comfort to really help another human being in need. I know what it's like to stay in that culture for the sake of trying to help and change a few minds for the better...I don't know how you do it, I gave up a long time ago.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on August 26, 2010 at 11:05 AM
Karl42 9
Guess you have to ask yourself: Do you love the person you're trying to help more than you hate the org?

Posted by Karl42 on August 26, 2010 at 11:13 AM
Leslie N. 10
My mother laments the fact she never took my sister or I to church, so we don't believe in Jesus. I, for one, am thankful that I picked up Dan Savage at the tender age of 12 instead of a Bible. I don't always agree with him, but at least he taught me to accept myself for who I am without shame...hell, I'm not even gay. I just have some kinks it took awhile to recognize. I can't even imagine how these people feel, unable to accept themselves, while others profit off their misery.
Posted by Leslie N. on August 26, 2010 at 11:15 AM
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I was impressed by the story about the "I'm sorry " gang at a gay pride parade too. Good for them, I thought, at last we're seeing some true christianity. Then I learned who was behind it and now I'm even more disgusted. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing indeed. I agree with Dan's assessment that Marin is simply working an angle, which is so cynical.

"You will be known by your actions not your words"-sounds like a good philosophy. There was a guy in the Bible who said that I think, the name starts with a J, oh who was that guy? ( ok facetious mode off).
Posted by alisamc http://amcstubbornturtle.blogspot.com/ on August 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM
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I now feel very bad about that cute gay boy in his underwear who hugged those fucks at pride.
Posted by keshmeshi on August 26, 2010 at 1:41 PM
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My take: I know Marin likely disapproves of what evangelicals like to call the "homosexual lifestyle." I doubt he'd support same-sex marriage, the repeal of DADT or anything else of substance on the agenda.

But here's the thing. Social conservatives aren't going away. Evangelicals aren't going to disappear, much as we might like them to. Which means that we are always going to have people out there who disagree with us.

So the question is, is it more constructive to scream invective at each other or is it better to try to build at least a polite basis that allows us not just to disagree but also to understand the other's position a bit better than "Christians are haters" and "Homos are the devil?"

That's the kind of Rovian black-and-white thinking that I refuse to subscribe to.

It also makes me suspect that certain writers who benefit from whipping up this kind of culture war on both sides just might have a teeny tiny ulterior motive in its persistence (and here I'll note that Marin has taken at least as much flack from his coreligionists as from us).

Marin probably won't repudiate his church's stand on homosexuality. But at least he recognizes that, in the process of enunciating that stand, his church has frequently done more harm than good on an individual basis by its own standards.

That's a massive step forward and it should be recognized.

Furthermore, anything that allows evangelicals and LGBT folks to discuss issues in a less-politically charged atmosphere is a real opportunity to win people over to our point of view.

Marin recognizes this: he wants to proselytize to us. But the benefit to us is that it gives us a chance to proselytize to evangelicals, and perhaps start winning them over to our understanding of civil rights for all. Remember, knowing an real, out gay person is the biggest predictor of whether or not you support gay rights.

This is a massive opportunity that should not be wasted just because Marin doesn't necessarily buy into our political agenda or denounce the evangelicals we'd like him to.
More...
Posted by Corydon on August 26, 2010 at 2:04 PM
kim in portland 14
gus and Hernandez,

Love is greater; it motivates, sustains, energizes, equips, and achieves better than hate.

Thank you for your kind words.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on August 26, 2010 at 5:41 PM
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Who is the one spewing hate, Dan? This blog post is definitely not lowering the temperature. I'm disappointed, you are normally more level headed.
Posted by Adam McLane on August 26, 2010 at 5:51 PM
Misha Vargas 16
@13

Corydon:

"But here's the thing. Social conservatives aren't going away. Evangelicals aren't going to disappear, much as we might like them to. Which means that we are always going to have people out there who disagree with us."

"...is it better to try to build at least a polite basis that allows us not just to disagree but also to understand the other's position a bit better than "Christians are haters" and "Homos are the devil?""

Let me just fiddle with that:

"But here's the thing. Racists aren't going away. Bigots aren't going to disappear, much as we might like them to. Which means that we are always going to have people out there who disagree with us."

"...is it better to try to build at least a polite basis that allows us not just to disagree but also to understand the other's position a bit better than "Racists are haters" and "Negros are the devil?""

Yeah, can't we all just get along? After all, historically, people have never stopped believing things. We still believe in Thor, and alchemy, and the four humors.

I understand their position, Corydon. They say that we're going to burn in hell for not being like them, and that we deserve it. If a person says that you deserve to be dragged by a chain attached to a truck until you're dead, it's not necessary to say "I hear you, and that's a perfectly valid point of view, but I would ask you to consider blah blah blah...."

Of course, if he has an unorthodox position, then what I've said doesn't apply.
Posted by Misha Vargas http://www.youtube.com/MishaVargas on August 27, 2010 at 4:41 AM

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