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Monday, August 16, 2010

New KEXP and Chihuly Museum Expand Proposals to Increase Public Benefits

Posted by on Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM

The two players emerging as the leaders for the Seattle Center's Fun Forest site are each upping the ante in proposals that flesh out specifics for economic sustainability and cultural worth. If awarded the lease, KEXP would increase the number of their live in-studio performances from 500 annually to 700, while the Chihuly museum proponents are now promising a First Thursday spin-off art walk at the Seattle Center, complete with free admission to their otherwise spendy glass exhibit.

As I mentioned last week, the review panel set to recommend one (or more) of the eight projects bidding on the Fun Forest site sent out follow-up questions for the projects—questions like, What's your public benefit? and, What's your visitor ratio of tourists to locals to discount geriatric tour groups? Proponents' answers are now posted online.

First, KEXP makes the case that it would draw 100,000 (predominantly local) visitors a year to the Seattle Center, of whom 90,000 wouldn't otherwise visit the center. KEXP makes the case that more than 1/3 of these new visitors will come just to see their in-studio concerts, and they'll come with cash in hand:

KEXP is proposing to deliver to Seattle Center 33,500 new visitors each year via 700 in-studio sessions. The financial value that these visitors bring to the Campus and its tenants will amount to $558,000 annually, using conservative spending estimates of $14.75 per person for in-studio performance attendees and $19 for Mural Concert attendees... KEXP’s approach to music event production is extremely cost-effective due to the nature of the organization, our experience and expertise, and the role we play in the music community. It would likely be cost-prohibitive for Seattle Center to self-produce or contract for event production services by a third party, effectively making these performances an impossibility for the Center otherwise.

Meanwhile, it seems like the Chihuly museum is taking public criticisms about plunking a private pay-to-play glass exhibit down on private land seriously. Here's what they propose, in addition to offering 25 percent discounted tickets for Seattle residents:

... we are fully committed to developing a program with the Seattle Center similar to downtown’s “First Thursdays”. It is our plan to take the lead and work with the Seattle Center to invite other Seattle Center Campus arts organizations to participate in a program designed to attract new audiences and generate excitement and new visits to the Campus and the surrounding neighborhoods with the goal of providing free access on a regular basis to those who can’t afford an admission ticket.

This improves on the Chihuly exhibit concept, for sure. However, the Chihuly museum also (finally) concedes in its feasibility study that 70 percent of their visitors will be out-of-town tourists, which leaves a lot to be desired in the public benefit arena. They also restate that the exhibit will be a static one—"at this time, we have not planned for an ongoing inclusion of other artists or permanently dedicating exhibition space to them." It makes you wonder how many locals will attend a First Thursday-esque event or pony up for tickets—even discounted tickets—to see the same exhibit 20 years running.

 

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I'm getting pretty excited about the possibility of getting KEXP at Seattle Center. Are there any bookies who can handicap the two horses in this race?
Posted by Mr John on August 16, 2010 at 1:39 PM
Will in Seattle 2
Let me be clear.

We're talking about PUBLIC land.

Park land.

Being used for profit and ego-boo for one individual.

Is that a wise choice?

Or just another subsidy for the Rich?

Cause Chihulhy ain't poor.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on August 16, 2010 at 1:39 PM
3
I, for one, have seen a glass museum. I have no desire to ever see one again.

Whereas I've been to the EMP like 3 times (the travelling Muppet display was AWESOME), and have done many other things in the area.

Sadly, including riding the Ducks.
Posted by supergp on August 16, 2010 at 1:51 PM
Will in Seattle 4
Now, the glass museums north of Venice, those are fun.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on August 16, 2010 at 1:52 PM
COMTE 5
The First Thursday thing MIGHT make sense IF there was a high concentration of art galleries around the Center, but there aren't. All this would do would be to siphon off some (and probably not that much) of the P-Square crowd to go to the Center grounds instead.

Frankly, that doesn't really make much sense to me, either in terms of the logistics (how do you get people from one location to the other?) or or in terms of supporting the overall First Thursday concept, which is to get bodies into as many of the galleries as possible.

Partnering with other arts orgs already on the Center grounds makes a bit more sense, but given that the resident theatres (including Seattle Opera and PNB) already do quite a bit of discounting as it is, not to mention the fact that frequently they don't even have productions running every first Thursday of the month, who else does that leave in the immediate vicinity besides the NW Craft Center?
Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on August 16, 2010 at 2:27 PM
Cascadian 6
I don't like either proposal.
Posted by Cascadian on August 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM
7
@6: Me either, but KEXP seems the lesser of two retarded evils.
Posted by supergp on August 16, 2010 at 2:43 PM
Will in Seattle 8
@7 has a point. Now if KEXP modified their proposal to be more parkland like the Open Space and threw in a NW Native Longhouse, that might be a good compromise.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on August 16, 2010 at 2:46 PM
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Yeah, I gotta say, it's incredibly pompous of the Chihuly folks to suggest that they are going to "take the lead" and "invite other Seattle Center Campus arts organizations to participate in a program designed to attract new audiences." These are organizations that already devote a lot of time and resources to audience development and access. I'm not saying they've done it perfectly nor that there isn't more that could be done, but the Chihuly folks would do well to study the programs that are already in place at *Seattle Center* arts organizations (as Comte points out, first Thursday is visual arts thing that doesn't necessarily make sense for performing arts venues) and suggest specific strategies for building on and complimenting them, rather than saying they're going to come in and show everybody else how it's done. As it stands, this comes across as lip-service to the idea of access, not an actual plan.
Posted by access matters on August 16, 2010 at 3:01 PM
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Don’t forget the added public benefit of a fully funded Art Playground that is free and open to the public. Also, regular updates from other artists will be added to the playground throughout the life of the lease. That’s on top of the $1.1 million that is annual revenue to the city. Also, if 30% of the Chihuly exhibition visitors are local, based on the expected draw of at least 400,000 visitors annually, that means that a minimum of 120,000 visitors will be local. If both KEXP and the Chihuly exhibition land on the Seattle Center campus, that would be an addition of a minimum of 220,000 locals visiting the Seattle Center, plus the thousands of tourists and other visitors.
Posted by Space Needle Guy on August 16, 2010 at 3:10 PM
Will in Seattle 11
Dude, Fremont gets way more tourists every day than Chihulhy will get in a YEAR.

And our art is public.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on August 16, 2010 at 3:23 PM
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Yeah, I've walked from a nearby neighborhood into Fremont way more than I'd bother bussing to a glass museum.

....suddenly, I'm hungry for some Costas Opa, or whatever that Greek place is called.
Posted by supergp on August 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM
Will in Seattle 13
Costas is yummy.

Now if only they'd move the building that blocks the Costas' view of the canal out of the way, it would be perfect.

Maybe they could put the Chihulhy museum on Lake Union ... how about next to a fish place?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on August 16, 2010 at 4:23 PM
seandr 14
Neither proposal interests me as a patron, but as a landlord (which is the roll the city is playing), the Chihuly museum is the far better tenant. It actually has a plan to make money and deep pockets to get it through any slow years.

As for public benefits, paying rent to the city and bringing in more (heavily taxed) tourist dollars are both plenty beneficial for city programs starved for income.

The KEXP plan, on the other hand, is just evil. Basically, they propose to beg for money from their listeners to build a city-subsidized competitor to Neumos, Showbox, Vera Project, etc. If KEXP wants to undermine the live music business, let it do so without the city's involvement.
Posted by seandr on August 16, 2010 at 4:28 PM
COMTE 15
Gotta love how the Wright's just keep piling on the ponies in every new iteration of their proposal. Now, it's an "Arts playground" to be sited at some as-yet-undetermined-because-we-just-threw-it-in location. Because, what the people have said they want for the Center is to take up even MORE of the open greenspace with, I don't know, Dali-esque melting clock water slides, and Le Corbusier-inspired jungle gyms, or whatever.

@13:

Wha - ? You mean the giant studio space next to Ivar's Chihuly ALREADY OWNS?!?

Now, that's just crazy talk...
Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on August 16, 2010 at 4:45 PM
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No disrespect to Peter Bevis, but Fremont?

After reading KEXP's RFP answers, I still don't see it. To make their project happen they are vaguely relying completely on listener's endless donations, the (broke) UW, rich donors (which, coincidentally, do not appear to include the rich musicians who gave their endorsement) and paying non-profit rate rent even further reduced if Seattle Center agrees to give credit for on-air call-outs.

KEXP does add great value to our city, but why don't they go to the Northwest rooms, which would be far less financially demanding on their listener base and would put them close to VERA, another plus.

The Chihuly (or, Chihulhy, as Will likes to spell it) exhibit is already funded and would pay sooo much more in rent than KEXP. They are donating a million dollar playground (the footprint for the proposed playground is larger than the entire South Fun Forest) and they've partnered with non-profits including Pratt and Pilchuck to further support the arts community.
Posted by qahobo on August 16, 2010 at 5:01 PM
DOUG. 17
John Richards should don an eyepatch.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on August 16, 2010 at 10:14 PM
18
I'm curious about whether KEXP will be compensating artists for the instudio sessions--it seems sort of weird to have this free concert that apparently competes with all the other venues around town. To their credit, KEXP features instudio performances by some really good emerging acts but they may not draw more than 50 people to a show---seems like it's basically making performers compete with themselves if they play an afternoon session for 50 people FOR FREE for "promotional value" for their $9 evening show. How many people are really going to go to both? Basically that's money that should be going to the artists that is getting misdirected to the shitty food court at Center House...aren't artists getting shafted enough these days?
Posted by curious onlooker on August 17, 2010 at 12:44 AM
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Why does the SLOG just keep mentioning Chihuly and KEXP and ignore all the other proposals?
We can spend all day (or months) criticising Chihuly ad nauseum but the other proposals answers deserve a fair look or even a fair criticsm.

Native American Longhouse sounds better and better and had an impressive organized response. The Mystery Museum with their stage and rotating exhibits sounds more diverse (and a heck alot more interesting) than all the others.
FROG's response was a bit harsh and I am a bit sceptical of why they need money as a "midwife". But even so, they made a good point that the first plan already decided on green space.
Even though it was just a letter request, can we do a follow up and find out why this Philip Krapft didn't respond? God I hope he is still around! Hope the Chihuly PR people didn't get to him!
And can someone please explain all the graphics and arrows Open Platform posted? They have visitors moving left and right, up and down and who knows where? Isn't this just a way of saying we don't know what to do but arrows look good on paper?
Why is Seattle Center Foundation even applying ? Aren't they already a part of Seattle Center?

Posted by Seattle San on August 17, 2010 at 1:27 AM
Drawmark 20
I'm with @6

Chihuly? NO.
KEXP/emp/Paul Allen? NO.
Posted by Drawmark http://drawmark.squarespace.com on August 17, 2010 at 12:51 PM

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