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Thursday, July 22, 2010

What Did Chopp Say About the Governor and the Tunnel Overrun Amendment?

Posted by on Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:57 PM

An article in this week's paper has kicked off a wonk firestorm. Why? It quoted House Speaker Frank Chopp saying that the infamous cost overrun provision in the state's tunnel law came from Governor Chris Gregoire. "The governor came forward with that language," Chopp said in the piece.

But the governor's office says no way. "It was not her idea, nor was it her intention to saddle the city of Seattle with the potential of cost overruns on the Alaskan Way Viaduct," governor's office spokesman Viet Shelton told seattlepi.com yesterday. "Our office has a call into the speaker's office to see if he was accurately quoted by the Stranger. What was reported today about the cost overrun language is revisionist history."

So. Did Chopp claim that the controversial language came from the gov? Was he accurately quoted? Cut to this video of Chopp at our endorsement meeting this month, edited by our own Eli Sanders, and decide for yourself:

If there's "revisionist history" here, it's not our accusation, it's between the House Speaker and the governor. I tried to reach Gregoire for an interview to raise this question a couple weeks ago but never heard from her. Today I reached Gregoire's spokeswoman (after calling and emailing yesterday), Karina Shagren, who says, "My understanding is that it did not come from our office. We need to figure where the conversation is going between the governor's and Chopp's office." I have a call in to Chopp but haven't heard back.

Finally, it's clear that Rep. Judy Clibborn (D-41) is the one who actually introduced his amendment. Does that mean she wrote it herself? Did it come from Chopp? The governor? I have asked Clibborn the question and will update if/when I hear back.

UPDATE: Viet Shelton, a spokesman for Gregoire, insists that the governor's office had nothing to do with the language. "The Speaker’s office made clear that cost overrun language was required in the bill or it wouldn’t move off the floor of the House. The language did not originate in the Governor’s office," he says.

 

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Will in Seattle 1
So long as they either kill the Billionaires Tunnel or put it up for a public vote of the Citizens of Seattle, I'm not sure how important this is.

Blame doesn't usually encourage people to do things you want, in the long term.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on July 22, 2010 at 4:07 PM
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Washington's Governor has line item veto authority. If she didn't like the language foisting this liability onto Seattle taxpayers, she could've and should've and would've just vetoed it.

But she didn't, did she...?
Posted by Citizen R on July 22, 2010 at 4:10 PM
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"The language did not originate in the governor's office".

Now what does that vague rebuttal really tell you about the screw-seattle amendment? Very little, other than the extreme care that went into saying something that says nothing.

The denial means the language could have originated across the street, at the governor's request. It could have originated in a closet in the governor's mansion. It could have originated on Mars. Maybe it spilled out of Frank Chopp's pen like ink from a broken pen.

Who cares?

The point that so many are missing here and - letting our solicitor-in-waiting get away with -- is the fact that the governor has LINE ITEM VETO. (Are there any experienced journalists left in Olympia or are they now all working for Paul Allen?)

It's simple. She could have cut the line but did not.

So the accurate language is that the decision to accept and approve the language was done by the governor.

The too-clever-by-half denials we are getting on this are pretty cynical, no matter what side you are on the tunnel.

The gov let the Sonics go. The gov allowed the ferry system to deteriorate. The gov, after 3+ decades in Olympia, is asking the public to figure out the budget mess. There's non leadership.

Now she let's us all wallow in debate while a public safety hazard goes on.

Posted by Rossi could win today just with votes from Seattle on July 23, 2010 at 3:55 PM
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Stop. Stop, can we can we just stop all this bullshit for two seconds? This is not how adults are supposed to behave. Is it just me or are all of us acting like idiots? State legislators are turning on their constituents and try to pass off the blame when they're caught. The Mayor and Governor have a passive aggressive brawl that I'm still hearing soundbites from on KUOW. Rep. McDermott avoids the tunnel entirely while I say we should scrap the project, to the city council, during a special session. This is all of our faults.

Thinly veiled threats, nonbinding agreements, contract controversy, and signing laws without enough information. I'm starting to worry that the lesson we should take away from the tunnel debate is that nobody knows what the hell is going on. At all, at any level. We've all picked our side, dug in our heels, and started this ridiculous shouting match without any of us sitting down and actually figuring out what the hell is going on. We've been at this for half a year.

They should lock all of use up in a room, politicians, special interests, unions, business owners, and reporters and just let us yell at each other until we're too tired to spew our misinformed crap at each other and finally sit down to hash out what actually should be done. And if that means a vote in November, let's do it. That's the shitty thing about living in a democratic-republic, sometimes you have to take 2 seconds to fill out a ballot every now and then. We're all [supposedly] adults here, we can take it.

(and bless Seattle's journalistic heart for keeping up with all this bullshit for so long)
Posted by Scott Sizemore http://www.votesizemore.com on July 23, 2010 at 10:12 PM
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Watch the proponents of the tunnel on the Stakeholders Advisory group on Dec 18 2008 explain repeatedly that, if the tunnel is approved, no more than $2.8 billion should come from the state. Downtown Chamber and Downtown Seattle Association speak eloquently about why the additional costs of choosing the tunnel should be born by LOCAL CITIZENS including those to benefit from the project -- essentially the same as the language that was added in the House. See video here:http://www.seattlechannel.org/videos/video.asp?ID=5590883.

This is when the cost of a bored tunnel magically fell by nearly a billion dollars thanks to some advice from some "free" consultants rounded up by Cascadia Discovery Institute. So DSA and Chamber - you want to ridicule the mayor? Look in the mirror - a hypocrite will look back at you.

If you are a Seattle taxpayer this is not trivial bullshit - even the lowest estimates of DBT mean nearly a billion dollars of our taxes and utility bills. Think about it who are the winners and losers here?

Posted by Accountability is a bitch on July 24, 2010 at 3:28 PM

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