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News & ArtsWednesday, June 16, 2010
Boom Seattle Cop Punch Goes Worldwide
Posted by Bethany Jean Clement on Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 4:32 PM
Now the news is over on the BBC (also nice and high up on the home page).
It must be said: You don't have to be the Queen of England to know that you don't punch a lady in the face.
Someone (hello, new chief?) better straighten out Seattle's police but quick.
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Ladies don't fight with cops -- especially while their (far more sensible) male companion tries to pull them away from all the ruckus!
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If a cop sees you break a law (albeit, a dumb one) and tells you to stop and come over - you do what the cop says. And, you definitely don't start scrapping with the cop. The girl is lucky he didn't shove her face into the cement. Had she been male and a bit older, I'm positive that's what would have happened. You don't scrap/resist with a cop unless you want to pick gravel out of your face.
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Ladies walk a little further down the block to use the sky-bridge the city installed especially for them instead of illegally jaywalking and then verbally and physically assaulting a police officer.
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"Someone (hello, new chief?) better straighten out Seattle's police but quick."
No, someone needs to straighten out these kids with their false sense of entitlement.
Someone should kick that 'Lady' in the clack.
No, someone needs to straighten out these kids with their false sense of entitlement.
Someone should kick that 'Lady' in the clack.
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This is why we need someone like Brazier.
@2 for the Police State win. Kudos, comrade! Salute your soviet masters!
@2 for the Police State win. Kudos, comrade! Salute your soviet masters!
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Punching a lady in the face is so lame, something a teabagger might try.
What you need to do is get a bunch of your friends, then mock and taunt and laugh at the lady.
http://s.wsj.net/media/051410pow11.jpg
What you need to do is get a bunch of your friends, then mock and taunt and laugh at the lady.
http://s.wsj.net/media/051410pow11.jpg
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Whoa, uh, Bethany?
Your post is uber-sexist. ANYONE who hits a cop is going to feel some negative repercussions from it.
The average fellow does not punch the average lady, no. That was most definitely NOT the case on Rainier Ave on Monday afternoon -- we had a police officer and a couple of entitled-feeling teenagers: nary a lady in sight.
Please reset your feminism filters. Thank you.
Your post is uber-sexist. ANYONE who hits a cop is going to feel some negative repercussions from it.
The average fellow does not punch the average lady, no. That was most definitely NOT the case on Rainier Ave on Monday afternoon -- we had a police officer and a couple of entitled-feeling teenagers: nary a lady in sight.
Please reset your feminism filters. Thank you.
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Bethany,
No one should ever accost/taunt a person with a loaded weapon. Period.
Given a choice, the young women were extraordinarily fortunate to have a police officer, male or female just punch one of them in the face. If it had been any other adult person carrying a loaded weapon they wouldn't not have been so lucky. A loaded weapon carries a far more lethal "punch". What they did was categorically stupid. And, they hardly acted like ladies.
No one should ever accost/taunt a person with a loaded weapon. Period.
Given a choice, the young women were extraordinarily fortunate to have a police officer, male or female just punch one of them in the face. If it had been any other adult person carrying a loaded weapon they wouldn't not have been so lucky. A loaded weapon carries a far more lethal "punch". What they did was categorically stupid. And, they hardly acted like ladies.
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Here's a great educational video for those girls.
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEG…
Chris Rock - How not to get your ass kicked by the police!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEG…
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omg, please just shut off slog comments....ya'll are just infinitely repeating yourselves.
go to the original post, read the comments there and find the one that verbatim says what you are about to write and be satisfied it has been said for this specific topic.
the horse is dead
go to the original post, read the comments there and find the one that verbatim says what you are about to write and be satisfied it has been said for this specific topic.
the horse is dead
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If the horse is dead, why are most of the Top Ten Slog Commented threads filled with this then, Andy?
If wishes were videos than Perez Hilton would be duking it out with Miley Cyrus' dad.
If wishes were videos than Perez Hilton would be duking it out with Miley Cyrus' dad.
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Girl got exactly what she asked for. I'm usually the first to think the cop is in the wrong, having come of age in a town with a violent and corrupt police force, but the video is clear. Girl - no lady - brought this down on her own fool head. Since when do criminals caught in the act just get to wave The Hand of Dismissal and walk away? Throw the book at her.
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Pretending that this is police brutality distracts from real instances of police brutality. And we have genuine instances of this happening recently and nearby, on tape.
As for punching ladies in the face: never done it myself, but would do it for sure if said lady were attacking me. Fortunately, I don't have a line of work where that happens a lot.
As for punching ladies in the face: never done it myself, but would do it for sure if said lady were attacking me. Fortunately, I don't have a line of work where that happens a lot.
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If he would have just flipped her over his back and pinned her down with his boot on her face when she attacked him from behind, nobody would have heard the first thing about it.
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Thanks for setting back both feminism and the focus on ACTUAL police brutality, Bethany!
Maybe for your next post, you should explain how ladies don't perspire, they glow.
Maybe for your next post, you should explain how ladies don't perspire, they glow.
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I'm totally with the "get off me, get off me" girl. Fuck that bullshit. Nobody gets to grab my body and force it to their will unless they are trying to protect another human from my actions. It freaks me out that we give this kind of power to the cops, and freaks me out even more that people (like these commenters) are so blindly obedient to the notion of physical authority that the police assume.
That guy just punched a 17 year old chick in the face over a JAYWALKING incident!!! You have got to be fucking kidding me? If he doesn't know of a better way to enforce jaywalking laws then he's not smart enough to be trusted with authority.
(Also, at what point does punching a 17 year old girl STOP a mob from happening?)
That guy just punched a 17 year old chick in the face over a JAYWALKING incident!!! You have got to be fucking kidding me? If he doesn't know of a better way to enforce jaywalking laws then he's not smart enough to be trusted with authority.
(Also, at what point does punching a 17 year old girl STOP a mob from happening?)
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That's right, you don't punch in the face who bigger than you and is assaulting you, you Taser her or spray her with pepper spray. He was punched her as a courtesy instead of the Taser if you ask me. Give me a break with this chivalry crap, some females today are just as vicious and violent as males. And I'm a liberal who hates police abuse. Paul Schene, Shandy Cobane and Matthew Paul are the real abusers who should be fired and prosecuted.
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Oh heatherly , I can't wait 'til the day you get violently mugged. Do us a favor when it happens, don't call the police for help.
All this incident makes me think is, thank god I live above the Ship Canal.
All this incident makes me think is, thank god I live above the Ship Canal.
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That guy just punched a 17 year old chick in the face over a JAYWALKING incident!!!
No - it started as a jaywalking incident; then the girls escalated it to a resisting arrest incident, and then to an assaulting a police officer and interfering with an arrest incident. She didn't get the punch until the third-tier escalation.
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You don't punch a lady in the face? Are you trying to make Cienna Madrid look less awful for heaping ridicule middle aged womens' boobs this morning?
Is everything now an opportunity for the Stranger go make asses of yourselves? Everything?
Is everything now an opportunity for the Stranger go make asses of yourselves? Everything?
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@29: It's called the social contract. We vest certain kinds of authority in civil law enforcement personnel as a way of keeping order without resorting to vigilantism and chaos. They have the authority to stop and detain people for investigation of wrongdoing -- even wrongdoings that you think should be legal -- and the authority to use force to stop people who do not voluntarily cooperate.
That's pretty much where their authority ends, though. They are not the judges, and they cannot convict you of a crime, nor unilaterally force you to pay the fine for a traffic infraction. They are there to ensure that people who are suspected of breaking laws cooperate with the due process which the United States constitution guarantees to both the accuser and the accused. Without that, we would not have laws that meant anything.
It's astonishing to me how many people are ignorant of basic civics. You reap tremendous benefits from living in a society that vests the power of arrest in civilian law enforcement, and yet apparently believe that people should be able to pick and choose when they want to cooperate with police orders. Fail.
That's pretty much where their authority ends, though. They are not the judges, and they cannot convict you of a crime, nor unilaterally force you to pay the fine for a traffic infraction. They are there to ensure that people who are suspected of breaking laws cooperate with the due process which the United States constitution guarantees to both the accuser and the accused. Without that, we would not have laws that meant anything.
It's astonishing to me how many people are ignorant of basic civics. You reap tremendous benefits from living in a society that vests the power of arrest in civilian law enforcement, and yet apparently believe that people should be able to pick and choose when they want to cooperate with police orders. Fail.
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Again, didn't see how this started in the video (how it led up to the punch and why he was physically handling her and arresting her for a minor violation like jaywalking), but these "do whatever cops tell you at all times or you'll deserve what you get" responses to this are really disturbing, similar comments appeared during the Henry Louis Gates flap -- you do whatever a cop says, even when no crime is committed and even when you're in your own home without disagreement... or else you deserve the consequences? Is this a police state? It's bullying. Disgusting.
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heatherly:
I honestly cannot believe that there are people out there as clueless as you seem to appear.
I honestly cannot believe that there are people out there as clueless as you seem to appear.
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@38: Saying that the police have the authority to detain someone under investigation is different from saying that people must do whatever the police say. Moreover, Gates was in his own home when that incident happened, and the girl who got punched in this video was attempting to use force to prevent a police officer from detaining a suspect.
Trying to draw equivalencies here hurts the conversation. There is a very real need to check police authority, but when people like yourself try to throw every single use of force into the "OMG POLICE STATE!!!!" bucket, it hurts any real attempt to increase accountability.
To me, it seems like a real shame that people are willing to lump this guy in with Paul Schene. Schene lost his shit and beat the crap out of a smaller girl because she was mouthing off. The cop in this new video NEVER lost it -- he was in control of himself the entire time, wasn't trying to hurt anyone, didn't cause any injuries, and successfully detained both suspects.
Yes, there may be problems with the way he attempted to handle too many people without any backup, and yes it all started with a minor traffic infraction. But this was not an abuse of authority, and it wasn't someone looking for skulls to crack. This has nothing to do with life under the gestapo.
Trying to draw equivalencies here hurts the conversation. There is a very real need to check police authority, but when people like yourself try to throw every single use of force into the "OMG POLICE STATE!!!!" bucket, it hurts any real attempt to increase accountability.
To me, it seems like a real shame that people are willing to lump this guy in with Paul Schene. Schene lost his shit and beat the crap out of a smaller girl because she was mouthing off. The cop in this new video NEVER lost it -- he was in control of himself the entire time, wasn't trying to hurt anyone, didn't cause any injuries, and successfully detained both suspects.
Yes, there may be problems with the way he attempted to handle too many people without any backup, and yes it all started with a minor traffic infraction. But this was not an abuse of authority, and it wasn't someone looking for skulls to crack. This has nothing to do with life under the gestapo.
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Seattle is a police state? You know you don't look intelligent saying that...in fact, you sound like you've never traveled or lived a real police state like some of us. You sound like rubes.
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Where's the proof that the girls were walking away from the officer? In the police report, written by a cop covering his ass.
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@27 and @41 FTW(s)
SLOG has lost it on this one. I love to join the policy brutality bandwagon as much as the next knee-jerk anti-police liberal hereabouts, but in this case the cop was COMPLETELY within the bounds of his job as far as I am concerned.
It's totally beside the point whether it was worth his time dealing with jaywalking infractions. Once the girls assaulted him, they were going to get taken down. And this cop did NOT lose his shit in any way.
Did he have to punch them? I.e. could he have used some other means to subdue them? Maybe, maybe not - but it was well withins his prerogative as a cop.
And WTF - who cares what a polite gentleman would do in OTHER circumstances? This ain't polite discourse. This is assualting a cop fer chrissakes.
And any other means may have been worse (taser, chokehold, etc).
SLOG - get a grip.
SLOG has lost it on this one. I love to join the policy brutality bandwagon as much as the next knee-jerk anti-police liberal hereabouts, but in this case the cop was COMPLETELY within the bounds of his job as far as I am concerned.
It's totally beside the point whether it was worth his time dealing with jaywalking infractions. Once the girls assaulted him, they were going to get taken down. And this cop did NOT lose his shit in any way.
Did he have to punch them? I.e. could he have used some other means to subdue them? Maybe, maybe not - but it was well withins his prerogative as a cop.
And WTF - who cares what a polite gentleman would do in OTHER circumstances? This ain't polite discourse. This is assualting a cop fer chrissakes.
And any other means may have been worse (taser, chokehold, etc).
SLOG - get a grip.
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Maybe you'd better changed your by-line to Anne Arky...
In my experience, driving down either Rainier or MLK at night or day is like playing human ten pins wherein 'pedestrians' are basically expressing their right-of-way and daring you to hit them.
The record shows that several pins have in fact been knocked down. But then most Seattle pedestrians with their little hand-held devices are walking in their bubble-boy world, oblivious to the potential loss of life they seem to be assiduously courting.
In my experience, driving down either Rainier or MLK at night or day is like playing human ten pins wherein 'pedestrians' are basically expressing their right-of-way and daring you to hit them.
The record shows that several pins have in fact been knocked down. But then most Seattle pedestrians with their little hand-held devices are walking in their bubble-boy world, oblivious to the potential loss of life they seem to be assiduously courting.
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Here's what mystifies me: since everyone besides obvious retards agrees the cop was completely justified in what he did, why is this story being picked up by CNN, BBC, etc?
Comments on every news site are running like 10 to 1 in favor of the cop, everyone but the fringies (Bethany, Heatherly, the NAACP) knows this was just a cop doing what he was supposed to do, and yet every media outlet from the Stranger to BBC is treating it as some kind of police scandal. I honestly do not understand.
Comments on every news site are running like 10 to 1 in favor of the cop, everyone but the fringies (Bethany, Heatherly, the NAACP) knows this was just a cop doing what he was supposed to do, and yet every media outlet from the Stranger to BBC is treating it as some kind of police scandal. I honestly do not understand.
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You don't punch a lady? Um, he didn't.
Get off your pedistal. The law should not treat violent females with more respect than violent males. That is sexist.
Get off your pedistal. The law should not treat violent females with more respect than violent males. That is sexist.
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And he didn't punch her because she jaywalked. He punched her because she was PHYSICALLY ASSAULTING HIM.
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@ 47, news outlets run this stuff to generate interest in the news. Basically, it's sensationalism.
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All the news outlets are stupid. Everyone's got their opinion about this case. Am I the only one laughing? And rewinding and then laughing even harder? Where's the YouTube video remix that shows her getting punched over and over again in rapid succession? I'd make it myself if I knew how. LOL!
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Funny how no one mentions the extensive criminal record that these women have. Actually, jaywalking looks kind of sad when your resume contains Burglary, Auto Theft, Strong Arm Robbery, Assault. Perhaps they felt they needed to turn things up a notch.
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When are these uppity afro-americans going to learn? If you break the law, and the poh-leece come to arrest you foh it, you shut the f#%@ up and subdue. In every other country in the world, this is common sense, because if you don't do it, you be dead. But here in the USA, we gots to be po-liticky koe-rect and blame the cops for harassing people. Sheet.
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"You don't have to be the Queen of England to know that you don't punch a lady in the face."
Excuse me, but the female I saw in the video will never be mistaken for a lady.
Excuse me, but the female I saw in the video will never be mistaken for a lady.
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Bethany, I am afraid I must disagree. People who interfere with an arrest (for a crime no one disputes was committed) risk what they get. I know you are a thoughtful person, and we're just going to disagree on this one. I refuse to lodge an ad hominem attack on you just because we see this differently.
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From @52 to @55 you can see it's gone viral on Fox News, where the watchers cheer when she gets punched.
And then put on their white hoods.
And then put on their white hoods.
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If women want equal rights, they have to take equal lefts. Enough of this sexist bullshit about equality for women, but NOT THAT EQUALITY.
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@ 8
Yeah, totally right on. Asking someone to follow a sensible law and then just take the fucking ticket if they don't is, like, so JUST like a police state.
Yeah, totally right on. Asking someone to follow a sensible law and then just take the fucking ticket if they don't is, like, so JUST like a police state.
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Bethany is 100% right on this one. I can't believe the rest of you are blind to the situation. It's obvious from the video The Ladies only pushed/hit the cop 7 or 8 times. Definitely no more then 10, 12 times at the most. 18 tops. He should have at the very least waited until The Ladies had pushed him to the ground before he attempted to stop their assault. I mean come on they didn't even have his gun out of his holster yet. Not to mention they clearly hadn't scratched an eye out with any of their Ladylike shoves to his face.
One thing Bethany didn't bring up in her rather astute assessment of the situation is how the cop being violently assaulted by The Ladies never used the Vulcan Death Grip on them. I'm a little disappointed she didn't bring this up. It fits perfectly with the rest of her impeccable logic about what should not have been done. Obviously, he easily could have used the Vulcan Grip on The Ladies to peacefully and nonviolently stop their violence.
Anyways Bethany give me a call if you want me to show you the secrets of the Vulcan Death Grip some night. Perhaps you and I could then teach the police force together (hello, new chief we know you are reading slog). I absolutely agree we need to straighten this police force out before they run wild through the streets of Seattle blatantly defending themselves from attack.
Sincerely (in a non-police state sort of way) yours
P.S. I'm a little worried you might think the Vulcan Death Grip is to extreme. The word "Death" does make it sound a little on the harsh side. However, rest assured that it only puts violently out of control Ladies into a peaceful slumber full of dreams about unicorns and puppies floating down rainbows.
One thing Bethany didn't bring up in her rather astute assessment of the situation is how the cop being violently assaulted by The Ladies never used the Vulcan Death Grip on them. I'm a little disappointed she didn't bring this up. It fits perfectly with the rest of her impeccable logic about what should not have been done. Obviously, he easily could have used the Vulcan Grip on The Ladies to peacefully and nonviolently stop their violence.
Anyways Bethany give me a call if you want me to show you the secrets of the Vulcan Death Grip some night. Perhaps you and I could then teach the police force together (hello, new chief we know you are reading slog). I absolutely agree we need to straighten this police force out before they run wild through the streets of Seattle blatantly defending themselves from attack.
Sincerely (in a non-police state sort of way) yours
P.S. I'm a little worried you might think the Vulcan Death Grip is to extreme. The word "Death" does make it sound a little on the harsh side. However, rest assured that it only puts violently out of control Ladies into a peaceful slumber full of dreams about unicorns and puppies floating down rainbows.
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@27
SLOG commentators aren't smarter than SLOG writers, but like most people they ARE more prone to self-righteous lynchmob behavior.
Judging from the majority of comments it's clear that most don't believe the incident has anything to do with race. While I doubt that the majority of SLOG commentators consider themselves racist, I doubt they have much experience being black and poor in America. Without resorting to racist logic, would they be able to understand why blacks in America are disproportionately impoverished and imprisoned? Could they even comprehend that laws are not always enforced among all groups equally or in the same manner?
SLOG commentators aren't smarter than SLOG writers, but like most people they ARE more prone to self-righteous lynchmob behavior.
Judging from the majority of comments it's clear that most don't believe the incident has anything to do with race. While I doubt that the majority of SLOG commentators consider themselves racist, I doubt they have much experience being black and poor in America. Without resorting to racist logic, would they be able to understand why blacks in America are disproportionately impoverished and imprisoned? Could they even comprehend that laws are not always enforced among all groups equally or in the same manner?
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Lets rehash. The cop was unable to handcuff a 17 year-old girl, who was 4 inches shorter and much lighter than him, for over 2 minutes. Cop hit a another girl, 19 years-old, full in the face with a closed fist and did not even put her down? I think the cop is a pussy who needs a little work in the weight room. Officer Barney Fife!
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I agree, you never punch a lady in the face. However, you are absolutely allowed to punch an insane crack whore who's hitting you repeatedly. In fact, I encourage it.
I've had a few encounters with the cops in my life and oddly they've never hit me. Know why? I don't hit them, scratch them and yell at them. Want to avoid getting your ass beat by the cops, just be marginally respectful and don't attack them. For some more excellent advice on how to avoid getting your ass beat by the cops...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=we…
I've had a few encounters with the cops in my life and oddly they've never hit me. Know why? I don't hit them, scratch them and yell at them. Want to avoid getting your ass beat by the cops, just be marginally respectful and don't attack them. For some more excellent advice on how to avoid getting your ass beat by the cops...
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=we…
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C'mon Matt From Denver, that cop couldn't knock out my grandmother. He is a big ol' puss. Yet you keep defending him like he is a good cop. He is incompetent in every sense of the word! He failed in every aspect of the situation. He is known world wide now because of his failure in a jaywalking incident. A jaywalking incident! How pathetic!
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The always-great Sable Verity weighs in on Punchgate here:
http://www.sableverity.com/seattle-girl-…
http://www.sableverity.com/seattle-girl-…
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How do you know someone is a frigging moron when they opine about this? A: They keep harping on the fact that it was over jaywalking. Like it somehow makes it okay for the girls to behave as they did. Like it would really be any different if the girl was wanted for armed robbery instead.
Gttim, keep digging. You're doing a great job of burying what little credibility you have. Please, keep posting.
Gttim, keep digging. You're doing a great job of burying what little credibility you have. Please, keep posting.
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#72, gtfo with your authoritarian-enabling bullshit. Yes, this was about JAYWALKING. The cop's response was totally over the fucking line, and people like you don't help one iota by trotting out crap like, "(would it) be any different if the girl was wanted for armed robbery instead". Well of course it would be different if the girl was wanted for armed robbery instead, numb nuts - because in that instance, a CRIME would've been committed.
But just drop the expedient hypothetical. She DIDN'T commit an armed robbery. You really want to grind your gears over shit people DIDN'T do? Hey, I bet she DIDN'T assassinate JFK, either. Want to start foaming at the mouth over that, too?
I should hardly think that you're in any position to crow over other people's credibility, 72. Oh, and please - shut the fuck up.
But just drop the expedient hypothetical. She DIDN'T commit an armed robbery. You really want to grind your gears over shit people DIDN'T do? Hey, I bet she DIDN'T assassinate JFK, either. Want to start foaming at the mouth over that, too?
I should hardly think that you're in any position to crow over other people's credibility, 72. Oh, and please - shut the fuck up.
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". She DIDN'T commit an armed robbery. You really want to grind your gears over shit people DIDN'T do? Hey, I bet she DIDN'T assassinate JFK, either."
@73 Plus she's been arrested for aggravated assault, robbery, car theft and, get this, assaulting a cop. So most of us who manage to get through life never assaulting a cop have to wonder, how'd this bitch manage do it twice by age 17?
Yes, she's all that and more,
@73 Plus she's been arrested for aggravated assault, robbery, car theft and, get this, assaulting a cop. So most of us who manage to get through life never assaulting a cop have to wonder, how'd this bitch manage do it twice by age 17?
Yes, she's all that and more,
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@ 73, eat shit and die. Go to Somalia, if that's how you feel. Jaywalking is a crime in Seattle, and even if we don't like it, you obey the cop and take your ticket when you're caught. It's not my credibility at stake here, because the facts are on my side, and sheer fantasy is on yours.
And change your handle. You're shitting on a cultural icon by calling yourself bullwinkle, you brainless twit.
And change your handle. You're shitting on a cultural icon by calling yourself bullwinkle, you brainless twit.
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This is what happens when parents fail (or don't care to succeed). Society is left to pick up the slack.
I feel bad for the girls' level of stupidity (seriously, where are they going to go in life with that attitude and behavior, how messed up is their self-esteem and are their goals in life that this is how they act). Maybe, hopefully, they will learn and grow from this incident. I doubt it though, our criminal justice system is not so good at emotional rehabilitation.
I feel bad for the girls' level of stupidity (seriously, where are they going to go in life with that attitude and behavior, how messed up is their self-esteem and are their goals in life that this is how they act). Maybe, hopefully, they will learn and grow from this incident. I doubt it though, our criminal justice system is not so good at emotional rehabilitation.
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@70. I guarentee you Officer Jason McKissack could knock out your grandmother and even he got taken out by two others smaller than him.
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“you don't punch a lady in the face” Granted.
“Lady”: A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
By no definition conceivable was that woman a lady. Had she been a lady she would have behaved civilly, taken her citation, and gone about her business. That’s kind of the lesson of this incident. If you behave like a savage you should not be surprised if you are dealt with savagely.
“Lady”: A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
By no definition conceivable was that woman a lady. Had she been a lady she would have behaved civilly, taken her citation, and gone about her business. That’s kind of the lesson of this incident. If you behave like a savage you should not be surprised if you are dealt with savagely.
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a 16 yr old boy who got tased by police a few days ago is now in critical condition. that "lady" who got punched in the face should feel lucky that this cop showed some restraint
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@66
Thanks for proving my point, Mr. "I don't care why so many blacks are violent retarded apes".
Thanks for proving my point, Mr. "I don't care why so many blacks are violent retarded apes".
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While I doubt that #63/#82 would consider himself or herself RACIST, I doubt they have much experience being black and poor in America. Without resorting to racist logic, would they be able to understand why blacks in America are smacking cops around & jaywalking? Could they even comprehend that laws apply to all groups equally or in the same manner?
"your devil's advocate" has insulted all African Americans by insinuating that they cannot rise above anti-social behavior because of their race and require bourgeois academic theoretical excuses for their crimes. And yes, my ancestors come from Africa. Everybody's do.
"your devil's advocate" has insulted all African Americans by insinuating that they cannot rise above anti-social behavior because of their race and require bourgeois academic theoretical excuses for their crimes. And yes, my ancestors come from Africa. Everybody's do.
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@83 ,"I doubt they have much experience being black and poor in America"
And do you and the rest of the apologists for these black thugs have any experience being a white cop in America?
And do you and the rest of the apologists for these black thugs have any experience being a white cop in America?
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@84: Please read my post again & maybe #63's for context (I flipped his words around). I'm no one's apologist, and in this case (my point was) I'm on this cop's side 100%. To answer your question, no I really don't.
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The women was interferring with police business....he should have knocked her out or tazed her so he could get on with his arrest. The only thing I fault him for was the wimpy qaulity of the punch. Anyone who actually knows how to hit would have cold cocked her on the first shrt.
Our society has transitioned to gender neutrality and no special consideration is to be given based on gender. She is a person who resisted arrest! She got less than she deserved!
Our society has transitioned to gender neutrality and no special consideration is to be given based on gender. She is a person who resisted arrest! She got less than she deserved!
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Jaywalk in front of the police, the police are going to want to talk at you about that.
shove said cop, the cop is going to want to arrest you.
shove said cop again while he is trying to arrest you and yelling for you to do what he is telling you, and you get punched in the face.
I am in the cops corner on this one. gender or age be damned. never touch a cop when they are talking to you about something you did, even something as minor as a jaywalk.
shove said cop, the cop is going to want to arrest you.
shove said cop again while he is trying to arrest you and yelling for you to do what he is telling you, and you get punched in the face.
I am in the cops corner on this one. gender or age be damned. never touch a cop when they are talking to you about something you did, even something as minor as a jaywalk.
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The real issue here is racism and it needs to be acknowledged once and for all. I am sick and tired of accusations of racism coming to the surface only when someone white is involved in situations and circumstances involving someone black. Interestingly enough, when the situation, like this one, doesn't warrant an accusation of racism against the white "perpetrator", then it's just a story. In this case a story about a cop that is out of control. The reality here is that it racism. Racism against the white cop. Call it what it is and stop sweeping the "rest of the story" under the carpet. No problem will ever be resolved unless or until the actual reason is acknowledged and confronted.
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