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Crime Q13 Fox News: Seattle Police Officer Assaults 17-Year-Old Jaywalker
Posted by Grant Brissey on Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Q13 Fox News, which hasn't always been known for its scrutiny of the Seattle Police Department, is reporting that a SPD officer punched a 17-year-old girl in the face after a jaywalking incident escalated.
From Fox's quotation of the police report:
One female subject turned and began to walk away. The officer again instructed her to step over to his car. She continued to walk away and appeared to raise her hand in a dismissive gesture. The officer contacted the female subject and began escorting her back toward his car. The female subject began to tense up her arm and pull away from the officer while yelling at him. Once at the patrol car the female subject refused to obey the officer's commands to place her hands on the car. When the officer again tried to gain control of her, she pulled away and twisted, breaking free of the officer's grip several times.At this time a large crowd gathered around the officer. When the officer tried to handcuff the female subject, another female subject intervened. The second female subject placed her hands on the officer's arm, causing the officer to believe she was attempting to physically affect the first subject's escape. The officer pushed the second subject back, but she again came at the officer, at which time he punched her. The second subject moved away and the officer was able to handcuff the first subject and place her in the back seat of his patrol car. As the officer contacted and subsequently escorted the second subject over to his patrol car, she too tried to pull and twist away from him. The officer restrained her until backup officers arrived, at which time the second subject was handcuffed.
UPDATE: King 5 has video:
h/t: Commenter Mahtli69
UPDATE 2: Full report from SPD Blotter, Title: "Officer Assaulted in South Seattle" after the cut:
On June 14th at approximately 3:10 p.m. a uniformed patrol officer was driving north in the 3100 block of MLK Jr. Way South in a fully marked police car. The officer observed a male pedestrian j-walk across MLK Jr. Way South, an arterial street. There is a pedestrian overpass (foot bridge) about 15 feet to the north of where the male pedestrian j-walked. The officer stopped the pedestrian. While interacting with the 18-year-old male pedestrian, the officer observed four female pedestrians j-walk at the same location that the male pedestrian just had. The officer instructed the females to step over to his vehicle. They were verbally antagonistic toward the officer. One female subject turned and began to walk away. The officer again instructed her to step over to his car. She continued to walk away and appeared to raise her hand in a dismissive gesture. The officer contacted the female subject and began escorting her back toward his car. The female subject began to tense up her arm and pull away from the officer while yelling at him. Once at the patrol car the female subject refused to obey the officer’s commands to place her hands on the car. When the officer again tried to gain control of her, she pulled away and twisted, breaking free of the officer’s grip several times.At this time a large crowd gathered around the officer. When the officer tried to handcuff the female subject, another female subject intervened. The second female subject placed her hands on the officer’s arm, causing the officer to believe she was attempting to physically affect the first subject’s escape. The officer pushed the second subject back, but she again came at the officer, at which time he punched her. The second subject moved away and the officer was able to handcuff the first subject and place her in the back seat of his patrol car.
As the officer contacted and subsequently escorted the second subject over to his patrol car, she too tried to pull and twist away from him. The officer restrained her until backup officers arrived, at which time the second subject was handcuffed.
Suspect #1, a 19-year-old female, was booked into the King County Jail for Obstructing an Officer. Suspect #2, a 17-year-old female, was booked into the Youth Service Center for Investigation of Assault on an Officer. Both suspects were cited for j-walking. Nobody appeared to be injured as a result of the altercation. SFD medics responded and evaluated suspect #2 as a precautionary measure.
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I would like to see what other news outlets say about this....I trust nothing from Fox. I also trust nothing said or reported by an aggro cop who punches a teenage girl in the face.
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You'll probably all laugh, but jaywalkers are a menace, in Britain cars run right up on them unless they're at a crosswalk and here in the States we've become far too dismissive of the possibility that an automobile might hit us, especially when not at a crosswalk. Just the other day I was driving in Bellingham and 4 (possibly drunk) kids stepped out right in front of my car with no warning or regard for what might happen - even though there was not a car in sight had they just let me go past first; of course had I hit them it probably would've been "my fault". That being said, the cop certainly lost his cool and should be punished accordingly, and by accordingly I don't mean "paid administrative leave".
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Reading the story it almost sounds like she deserved it. So much for the stranger thinking this counts as scrutiny of the SPD. Here's a clue, Fox Affiliate, you report police abuse when the suspects didn't have it coming. Better luck next time.
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This happened today? Nice quick reporting from the station! I guess they`ve changed their policy of sitting on police violence stories while awaiting the results of an investigation they never actually conduct.
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If it happened the way it reads, which reads like an episode of Cops...girlfriend deserved it. First girl probably did too.
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KING5 has video.
First, why is a cop even wasting time with a jaywalker?
Second, why is he having such a tough time detaining the suspect? They wrestle around for 2 minutes. Even after she's cuffed, he can't get her in the car.
First, why is a cop even wasting time with a jaywalker?
Second, why is he having such a tough time detaining the suspect? They wrestle around for 2 minutes. Even after she's cuffed, he can't get her in the car.
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@6
My thoughts exactly. If you parse the back-story, it's an advertisement for FoxNews. "See? We report on police brutality!" But it isn't really police brutality. It was a sloppy arrest. This will only energize the "Police have a tough job so we should all close our eyes to everything they do" crowd. And these idiots will also want to give Fox a pass, because this clearly shows that they don't give preferential treatment to cops.
Except that they do. If there was a _real_ story of police brutality, where the suspect was obeying everything the cop ordered them do & they _still_ started beating on them/tasering them/shooting them in the back, I'd give dollars to donuts that Fox wouldn't report it, and would suppress the evidence if they had it.
My thoughts exactly. If you parse the back-story, it's an advertisement for FoxNews. "See? We report on police brutality!" But it isn't really police brutality. It was a sloppy arrest. This will only energize the "Police have a tough job so we should all close our eyes to everything they do" crowd. And these idiots will also want to give Fox a pass, because this clearly shows that they don't give preferential treatment to cops.
Except that they do. If there was a _real_ story of police brutality, where the suspect was obeying everything the cop ordered them do & they _still_ started beating on them/tasering them/shooting them in the back, I'd give dollars to donuts that Fox wouldn't report it, and would suppress the evidence if they had it.
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Watched the video. While I'm unsure if the jaywalking incident was serious enough to warrant arrest, the first girl definitely deserved to get arrested after she started struggling and pushed the cop away. And the girl in pink did shove him before he punched her. I'm generally not on the cops' side, but the first girl had attitude. May be a stupid question, but to Seattle cops not have Tasers? In any of the Oregon cities I've lived in, any cop would have tased the shit out of the first girl.
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A punch in the face certainly got the gal in pink off his back. I wonder what else would have worked.
My impression is that all these guys carry mace (but tasers are likely issued only to sergeants). He easily could have maced that young lady he was arresting, but to his credit he just worked on physical restraint instead of pumping agonizing chemicals into her eyes and face.
The guy doing the recording sounds like Tommy Chong.
My impression is that all these guys carry mace (but tasers are likely issued only to sergeants). He easily could have maced that young lady he was arresting, but to his credit he just worked on physical restraint instead of pumping agonizing chemicals into her eyes and face.
The guy doing the recording sounds like Tommy Chong.
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From the headline I was like "OMG BLAME THE COP BACON BACON BACON"
From the video I'm like "WHY DIDNT HE TASE THEM BOTH" (and I think he should get some kind of medal for not using his taser)
Shit gets real when you fiddle with an officer in the middle of an arrest. Pro tip - if you don't want to get punched in the face, don't try to defend someone's possible unjust arrest TWICE, you're not a fucking judge. The police officer has just as much a job to do as the 20 or so people who started filming it. Imagine the film that would have been released had it only been this crazy chick screaming at a cop whining about how hard it is to follow the law that says don't walk in the middle of the street. She'd be called a drunk and probably not even posted on the slog, buried in some police blog that people laugh about how silly kids are. I know there's a whole bunch of superhero movies out there, but you're not batman, you are not the law.
From the video I'm like "WHY DIDNT HE TASE THEM BOTH" (and I think he should get some kind of medal for not using his taser)
Shit gets real when you fiddle with an officer in the middle of an arrest. Pro tip - if you don't want to get punched in the face, don't try to defend someone's possible unjust arrest TWICE, you're not a fucking judge. The police officer has just as much a job to do as the 20 or so people who started filming it. Imagine the film that would have been released had it only been this crazy chick screaming at a cop whining about how hard it is to follow the law that says don't walk in the middle of the street. She'd be called a drunk and probably not even posted on the slog, buried in some police blog that people laugh about how silly kids are. I know there's a whole bunch of superhero movies out there, but you're not batman, you are not the law.
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The girl in pink made the severe error of what seemed like an attempt to go near the cop's belt or weapon...it was at that point he punched her.
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At what point is it resisting arrest? At that point he'd have been justified in taking her to the ground and kneeling on her head until backup arrived.
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The girls were pretty stupid, but the police officer is a pussy. He can't cuff a little girl who weighs half of what he does? And why the fuck is he messing with jaywalkers? Looks like he ought to be a mall cop. Get him a Segway.
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Shame on anyone who wants to call this police brutality. Regardless of the seriousness of the initial infraction, the girls were both refusing to obey lawful orders from the officer, and both then escalated into violent resistance. Those girls should know better, and if they didn't before, hopefully they do now. You don't have to put up with police harassment, but getting into altercations with the cops is NOT a way of settling a dispute.
What struck me about the video is that the arresting officer never lost his temper. In the middle of what is obviously a tremendous amount of pressure, with two hostile subjects and numerous onlookers shouting at him, he consistently used only enough force to defend himself and detain the subjects. When the cameraman gets too close, he calmly asks him to step back.
Seems like some people here think the police shouldn't have the authority to arrest anyone, but if we're going to have police at all, this is the kind of guy you want doing the work.
@10: I think that illustrates just how much police brutality this wasn't. He could have thrown her on the ground and tased her, but he didn't. And she doesn't have a broken nose and black eye now as a result.
What struck me about the video is that the arresting officer never lost his temper. In the middle of what is obviously a tremendous amount of pressure, with two hostile subjects and numerous onlookers shouting at him, he consistently used only enough force to defend himself and detain the subjects. When the cameraman gets too close, he calmly asks him to step back.
Seems like some people here think the police shouldn't have the authority to arrest anyone, but if we're going to have police at all, this is the kind of guy you want doing the work.
@10: I think that illustrates just how much police brutality this wasn't. He could have thrown her on the ground and tased her, but he didn't. And she doesn't have a broken nose and black eye now as a result.
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Seems like the officer should have called for backup but didn't, probably because he was having a terrible time trying to arrest the first girl and didn't want to be known as "that guy."
But yeah, not much sympathy for the victim of this, I have to admit. You don't HELP someone resist an officer. If it were two men, a gun would have been pulled.
But yeah, not much sympathy for the victim of this, I have to admit. You don't HELP someone resist an officer. If it were two men, a gun would have been pulled.
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I drive through this intersection many times each day for work. Despite the overpass, there are numerous people who simply walk out into the street - most of the time without looking either way. For the Franklin kids, there's undoubtedly an element of cool to it - who needs some stupid overpass, right?
As far as the altercation, the young lady should have known better. If she had just kept her trap shut - or had the intelligence to not jaywalk in front of a police car in the first place - she would be free now, having perhaps been lectured to. But she messed with the cop.
You don't mess with a cop - especially physically, for the cops defend themselves. Remember a few years back in Factoria when the mentally disturbed naked guy somehow got a hold of the officer's gun and then shot him point-blank? As I recall, all he was doing was directing traffic.
You act stupid, stupid things happen to you.
As far as the altercation, the young lady should have known better. If she had just kept her trap shut - or had the intelligence to not jaywalk in front of a police car in the first place - she would be free now, having perhaps been lectured to. But she messed with the cop.
You don't mess with a cop - especially physically, for the cops defend themselves. Remember a few years back in Factoria when the mentally disturbed naked guy somehow got a hold of the officer's gun and then shot him point-blank? As I recall, all he was doing was directing traffic.
You act stupid, stupid things happen to you.
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@25: "What struck me about the video is that the arresting officer never lost his temper."
No, he just punched a teenage girl in the face.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Seriously?
No, he just punched a teenage girl in the face.
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Seriously?
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There's confronting police and there's fighting police. This girl started a fight with a cop and she learned what happens. I'd rather see an antagonistic bitch get jacked in the face for shoving an officer than see somebody tazed for not obeying fast enough.
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@29 Usually, if you jumped on a cop's back, you'd consider yourself lucky if all you got was a knuckle sandwich, teenage girl or not.
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@29, you fail to realize that one of the most important steps in forming a corporate police state is to defend the police no matter what they do. Sure the cop punched the girl in the face; so what, she had it coming to her right?
And notice how ANY postings on Slog dealing with the cops require commentators to be registered. Just sayin'....
And notice how ANY postings on Slog dealing with the cops require commentators to be registered. Just sayin'....
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So this cop isnt very good at arresting people. He however did a pretty good job of keeping the situation down. This could have gone soooooo wrong.
However: Cops shouldn't push jaywalking or other rule-bending crimes into situations where someone can get arrested. What if he just yelled at them and left after he got nowhere with their sass?
Who cares if the officer loses face? What if he hurt the girl with the punch, what if a riot happened due to it? All not nearly worth some 17 year old girls respect.
However: Cops shouldn't push jaywalking or other rule-bending crimes into situations where someone can get arrested. What if he just yelled at them and left after he got nowhere with their sass?
Who cares if the officer loses face? What if he hurt the girl with the punch, what if a riot happened due to it? All not nearly worth some 17 year old girls respect.
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@24 is absolutely right. The officer was totally incapable of holding the suspect and cuffing her, and couldn't de-escalate the situation with the other girl. Incompetent in every regard. I thought cops had better training than this moron.
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@29 Fuck with a cop in the middle of an arrest, feel the long fist of the law. I'm no fan of the five-oh (being on the receiving end of a pretty good blue beat down myself), but I will not begrudge an officer who gives an interfering asshole exactly what they deserve.
If the cop tazed/maced her all you bitches would complain that he didn't use physical tactics before he resorted to such extreme measures.
If the cop tazed/maced her all you bitches would complain that he didn't use physical tactics before he resorted to such extreme measures.
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@24/39 - Are you retarded? Have you ever tried to arrest two struggling teenage girls (who frankly looked as if they weighed nearly as much as the cop) by yourself in the middle of a potentially-hostile crowd of people with video cameras while trying not to escalate the situation into a police brutality case? Then you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, do you.
In many other cities this would have been a tazer/beat-down video - we're lucky he seemed to have sufficient training to conduct the arrest as well as he did.
In many other cities this would have been a tazer/beat-down video - we're lucky he seemed to have sufficient training to conduct the arrest as well as he did.
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Victimless? Sure . . . until somebody gets splattered all over the street. Not so victimless then.
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The cop was out numbered and encircled. The girl was bigger than him. He used a trained tactic. Notice that it was NOT a full punch, but a stunning punch. Textbook. Those girls should have been tazed by the way they were acting. What makes anyone think they should talk to a police officer like that? Maybe the city has taken too much authority away. It's now created an even larger lawlessness problem... especially amongst the impressionable youth. It has now become a game to see how far you can push a cop before he snaps.
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It wasn't about the jaywalking. It's 3pm in the middle of a busy street. If this were in Philly, pedestrians know better than to walk in the street before the little walking man says it's okay. When I drive in Seattle, I don't slow down... if you're going to walk when I have the right of way you better hustle. I have insurance... do you?
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I bet he’s getting laughed at by the rest of the department for struggling so long with a 17 year old.
@36 is right. He could have done worse but still shouldn’t have let this scene escalate.
@36 is right. He could have done worse but still shouldn’t have let this scene escalate.
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@ 45, Because he was smaller than the girl I kind of commend him for not tazing her.
Being a little fella has probably landed him in a number of challenging situations since joining the fuzz. Clearly he’s not very talented with police tactics but he sure did try.
Being a little fella has probably landed him in a number of challenging situations since joining the fuzz. Clearly he’s not very talented with police tactics but he sure did try.
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@46 You are an asshole. Slow down. Really. There's no place you need to go that's worth hitting a person. Yes, even a stupid person (say, for example, a child).
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@45 What video are you watching. The girl was 4 inches shorter than him and it took him over 2 minutes to cuff her. My grandmother could have handled that much quicker. His next job should be asking if you want fries with that burger.
What the fuck is he going to do if he ever has to arrest a guy?
What the fuck is he going to do if he ever has to arrest a guy?
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We pay for crosswalks for a reason. They are obviously too lazy to walk 20 feet and wait for the appropriate time to cross... I'm just trying to get their blood flowing. I've never hit someone for God's sake... relax over there buddy. I'm not an asshole. But let me tell you what's wrong with Seattle... there are too many assholes who are willing to mess with you because they know you're not going to do anything. Well guess what... I'm not from Seattle. I feel safer walking by myself in the streets of Philly than I do in Seattle and that's because there is no respect for the possibility that someone may defend themselves if you try and mess with them. I'm as 120 lb 24 year-old woman. I've been accosted twice since moving to Seattle. Downtown Seattle. Not Rainier Ave... not MLK Street. Downtown. I've been mugged. This city is getting overrun with lawlessness because of the lack of authority. The city has taken it away from their police force which is why we have people antagonizing cops and others at the ready with their video cameras. Give her the 15 min of fame and then let her go on to her pathetic life of harassing police officers. Her parents should be ashamed.
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Since nobody else has bothered, I'm going to - in what world do you all live in that you would actually expect a teenage black girl to just peacefully go along with a white cop who is much larger and stronger than her? I would bet good money that all of her "defiance" was actually fear. In a perfect world, all cops are just kindly officers of the law who have all our best interest at heart, but I live in San Francisco, where it's not even remotely uncommon for young black girls to get raped by cops of all colors and sizes. Not resist when some big white dude starts dragging me toward his car? You must be joking. I don't even pull over for a cop unless we are outside a hospital or government building.
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Since nobody else has bothered, I'm going to - in what world do you all live in that you would actually expect a teenage black girl to just peacefully go along with a white cop who is much larger and stronger than her? I would bet good money that all of her "defiance" was actually fear. In a perfect world, all cops are just kindly officers of the law who have all our best interest at heart, but I live in San Francisco, where it's not even remotely uncommon for young black girls to get raped by cops of all colors and sizes. Not resist when some big white dude starts dragging me toward his car? You must be joking. I don't even pull over for a cop unless we are outside a hospital or government building.
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You people scare the hell out of me. Sure it was dumb of the girls to physically resist/interfere with the cop....but this was over jaywalking for god's sake. Look at the root of it. Jaywalking. Think about how much money it's going to cost the city to go through all the court crap to process this incident....because of jaywalking. The lesson here is not to get into a physical altercation of any kind with a cop...but the deeper lesson is that the jaywalking laws of this city are completely insane and cops (aren't we short on those and can't hire any more right now?) have no business wasting time on them. Seriously.
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Unfortunate reactions by all parties, but seriously, don't go grabbing at a cop and interfering with him doing his job (even if it is jaywalking infractions). While the jaywalking thing is a little "eh", being totally dismissive of Johnny Law isn't going to win you any favors, either. Take the 35 dollar ticket and use the friggin' crosswalk next time, or take it into court if you really want to fight it that badly. Making a semi-routine ticketing into an episode of Springer isn't the cop's fault (although I've never seen a sloppier arrest in my life).
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@56...how are the jaywalking laws of this city "insane"? Is it that fucking hard to use a crosswalk? It's a rule, just like driving and stopping at a red light is a rule. You just deal with it.
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@ 56
what the video doesn't show is that he was originally talking to another gentleman about crossing the busy street while cars were coming and then the girls (more than just the two in the video) took it upon themselves to antagonize the cop for trying to enact some kind of authority. Like i said, it has nothing to do with jaywalking. The girls and the gentleman before them STOPPED traffic in the middle of the afternoon.
what the video doesn't show is that he was originally talking to another gentleman about crossing the busy street while cars were coming and then the girls (more than just the two in the video) took it upon themselves to antagonize the cop for trying to enact some kind of authority. Like i said, it has nothing to do with jaywalking. The girls and the gentleman before them STOPPED traffic in the middle of the afternoon.
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@53
Are you kidding me right now? Please send me some proof of these atrocities. Progressive San Francisco!? Philly cops have a worse rep than CA cops and that even doesn't happen there. I don't buy this one. Sorry.
Are you kidding me right now? Please send me some proof of these atrocities. Progressive San Francisco!? Philly cops have a worse rep than CA cops and that even doesn't happen there. I don't buy this one. Sorry.
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#54 The girl he spent over 2 minutes trying to handcuff was 4 inches smaller than him and weighed much less. He did not have the strength nor the skill to put her in handcuffs. He is not physically able to do his job. He could not command respect from anybody on that street. He has no business being a cop. He is going to get himself or another cop killed one day. Would you want him backing you up if you were a cop?
But oh, he is a man because he punched another girl who might have been taller than him? Oh, that was manly! He hit a teenage girl! What a guy!
But oh, he is a man because he punched another girl who might have been taller than him? Oh, that was manly! He hit a teenage girl! What a guy!
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My friend and I were stopped for jaywalking a few months ago by the Egyptian and Bill's. Yeah, we were illegally crossing, but we crossed as it the light started blinking. The cop revved his engine to scare us because "in Idaho, we will run you over!" Four cop cars were on us. Two, small, gay boys and a bunch of cops. People were yelling at the cops to leave us alone and someone pointed out that a crack deal was going on just down the street. After id checks, they let us go. Yeah, thank god we are not in Idaho.
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All this could have been avoided if he simply shot the both of them at the start. He had every right to protect himself from the feral beasts. They are not human, that's for sure. Of course, none of them are. Filthy, disgusting, violent animals and nothing less.
They all need to go back to Afreaka where they came from!
They all need to go back to Afreaka where they came from!
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@61
Good thing I turned down a job with Camden Police Department. I would have been killed my first day on the job.
Women shouldn't be cops either I suppose.
Good thing I turned down a job with Camden Police Department. I would have been killed my first day on the job.
Women shouldn't be cops either I suppose.
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The both girls was definitely in the wrong, e and clearly have issues with authority, but the police officer's response was entirely over the top and wasn't necessary. Its possible he was frustrated lost his cool, but well....police officers aren't supposed to do that.
Sue him.
Sue him.
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@61: This isn't about him being manly. This is about appropriate or inappropriate use of force. He could have injured the smaller girl by punching her like he did the big girl, by using mace, or a tazer, but he didn't. He acted as if it was worth taking 2 minutes to cuff her without injuring her rather than injuring her quickly and getting her in the car within 30 seconds. Some might disagree with his priorities, but I wish that more of the police in my city operated like he did in that instance.
Apparently you seem to believe that might=right and that he should have dislocated a knee or shoulder to quickly get her away. I hope that you never become a police officer.
Apparently you seem to believe that might=right and that he should have dislocated a knee or shoulder to quickly get her away. I hope that you never become a police officer.
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It seems pretty obvious to me that the two girls escalated this situation. They are both grabbing onto him and the one in pink shoves him while he is trying to cuff the other one. Being a guy, I imagine if one of my friends and I did the same thing to a LEO we'd have had a gun drawn on us. He probably should have just tazed her instead of punching her, but he also didn't have free use of his arms either.
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Come on.....the girl(s) knew better. You can't get physical with a cop......anyone who says differently is straight stupid.
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@68 Wrong. A well trained police officer could have handcuffed her and put her in the car quickly without all the fuss and without appearing violent. You put her in a thumb hold, cuff that hand and then cuff the other. A well trained and good officer has her in the car quickly. A well trained and experienced officer never lets the situation get to where that did. It is not about violence or appearing manly and it is not about might, it is about being competent. The officer got no respect from anybody because they saw him for what he is. That is the kind of cop that gets in situations where people get hurt, including other cops. He is a danger to himself, other cops and citizens.
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Not a bit of sympathy for either of them; even my most idiotic, back-assward days I wouldn't have just tried to walk away from a cop or tried to push him or do any of the stupid shit they were doing.
@61 Oh get off it, he could've easily restrained her if he done what they do to restrain men who are resisting arrest; i.e. tossed her to the ground, knelt on her neck, and then cuffed her.
@61 Oh get off it, he could've easily restrained her if he done what they do to restrain men who are resisting arrest; i.e. tossed her to the ground, knelt on her neck, and then cuffed her.
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@71 - Exactly. There are numerous restraining holds that trained police officers can use that don't require throwing someone on the ground or tasing them.
With this cop, that was practically a hair-pulling slap fight. Was he trying to arrest her or dance with her?
With this cop, that was practically a hair-pulling slap fight. Was he trying to arrest her or dance with her?
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Is this the first time this cop has driven by Franklin right after school lets out?
The sheer volume of kids at that intersection at 3pm gives the jaywalkers a sense of entitlement. With no consistent enforcement there, that cop's behavior must have seemed bizarre to those girls. "This is the way it is around here, who is he to come along and tell us different?"
The cop should have known better. If SPD's going to start enforcing at that spot, they more than a lone white crewcut dude. Sad but not surprising he couldn't handle the situation appropriately.
The sheer volume of kids at that intersection at 3pm gives the jaywalkers a sense of entitlement. With no consistent enforcement there, that cop's behavior must have seemed bizarre to those girls. "This is the way it is around here, who is he to come along and tell us different?"
The cop should have known better. If SPD's going to start enforcing at that spot, they more than a lone white crewcut dude. Sad but not surprising he couldn't handle the situation appropriately.
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Seriously? That officer was looking for trouble if he was stopping people for j walking on MLKjr. Blvd. That's like trying to ticket people for being drunk in Vegas.
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She soooooo had that comming. Complete lack of respect. Probably high on crack. Total nappy headed ho!
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She attacked a cop. Geeze. That is never acceptable, and you're gonna get your ass kicked if you do it.
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Do you know why cops get hurt in domestic situations? Because regardless of circumstance, people always defend their own against aggressors of any kind. It's a natural freaking instinct that should be factored into equations like this before you put your hands on someone. Just because you think you have just cause to arrest someone for a non-violent, barely an offense crime, doesn't mean that you should or that you if you plan to you need to immediately put your hands on someone. Before this escalated, I'm sure there were dozens of ways this could have been discussed, ticketed, and managed better. He was probably more afraid of the gathering crowd of men than of that girl. And he's the lucky one. Seriously, because on another day in a slightly different crowd, it could have been him getting punch in his face and worse.
When a cop is manhandling a woman who is trying to figure out what the hell is happening, of course a friend or relative is going to try to intervene. How do I know this, I was once part of a group that trained and entire police force in ways of managing situations like this without getting hurt, and without hurting anyone. The technical law might have been on his side, but in an evaluation of the best tactics to use in that situation, he would have failed.
When a cop is manhandling a woman who is trying to figure out what the hell is happening, of course a friend or relative is going to try to intervene. How do I know this, I was once part of a group that trained and entire police force in ways of managing situations like this without getting hurt, and without hurting anyone. The technical law might have been on his side, but in an evaluation of the best tactics to use in that situation, he would have failed.
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Another thing we should be asking is this - is that intersection a long long way from any decent crossing, and is it one of those dumb pedestrian crossings that won't respond for 3 minutes if a person pushes the button but responds within 10 seconds if a car wants to cross?
Time to revisit the pedestrian ability to cross within 30 seconds, if you ask me.
People are more important than cars.
Time to revisit the pedestrian ability to cross within 30 seconds, if you ask me.
People are more important than cars.
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I guess there weren't bigger fish for him to fry that day.
Could've been worse. He could have been busy with a homicide investigation somewhere in a parallel universe where Seattle is derogatorily called "Murdeattle."
At least have backup next time.
Could've been worse. He could have been busy with a homicide investigation somewhere in a parallel universe where Seattle is derogatorily called "Murdeattle."
At least have backup next time.
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@ 45 "The girl was bigger than him." You mean she was blacker than him? Go back to Philly you idiot. I can tell you from years of living in North Philly that if the cops would have beat a black teen this would be huge. And your post at 46? Try that self righteous shit with somebody and you will spend the rest of your days in prison while your family scraps for generations for ways to pay off the victim.
You fucking tool.
You fucking tool.
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Will in Seattle litters Seattle's cyberscape with his useless, agenda driven remarks that are usually a detriment to the movements he supports. *sighs* Sick to death of seeing him spew his off topic rants, hopefully that net neutrality crap will deal with him if somebody doesn't file a lawsuit against his mouth first. ;0)
Anyways, shame on the people that decided to label this "Officer Assualts 17 year old", in the video I saw those self entitled ghetto queens assaulted him first, they're lucky he was calm enough to deal with TWO threats to his safety in such a humane manner. I'm a big ole baby, and I would have been tazing them waaaaaay before I had to think about throwing a punch. They're not above the law, and certainly not entitled to assault anyone. You know these girls thought their age and gender was going to allow them to act a fool without facing reprocussions for their b.s., I'm glad to see they were treated like the criminals they turned out to be......too bad they didn't just take the jaywalking ticket and roll instead of making things worse for themselves.
Charge them for assault, get the friend for obstructing, and then pile on the hate crime charge.
Anyways, shame on the people that decided to label this "Officer Assualts 17 year old", in the video I saw those self entitled ghetto queens assaulted him first, they're lucky he was calm enough to deal with TWO threats to his safety in such a humane manner. I'm a big ole baby, and I would have been tazing them waaaaaay before I had to think about throwing a punch. They're not above the law, and certainly not entitled to assault anyone. You know these girls thought their age and gender was going to allow them to act a fool without facing reprocussions for their b.s., I'm glad to see they were treated like the criminals they turned out to be......too bad they didn't just take the jaywalking ticket and roll instead of making things worse for themselves.
Charge them for assault, get the friend for obstructing, and then pile on the hate crime charge.
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Two different issues here.
1. The cop could have handled things differently, maybe not get into this situation in the first place, maybe restrained her more quickly.
2. REGARDLESS of the above, if you get physical with a cop get ready to LEGALLY be taken down by said cop.
These two issues are independent. No matter how you got INTO a situation, you can't resolve a situation with a cop by getting physical.
While we may criticize the fact that the cop got into an altercation because of a jaywalking stop, that doesn't change the fact that the cops action after the girl got physical were all probably justified (legally).
1. The cop could have handled things differently, maybe not get into this situation in the first place, maybe restrained her more quickly.
2. REGARDLESS of the above, if you get physical with a cop get ready to LEGALLY be taken down by said cop.
These two issues are independent. No matter how you got INTO a situation, you can't resolve a situation with a cop by getting physical.
While we may criticize the fact that the cop got into an altercation because of a jaywalking stop, that doesn't change the fact that the cops action after the girl got physical were all probably justified (legally).
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That girl got what she deserved. You must respect law enforcement, she didn't, end of story. The officer has the right to defend himself whether the suspect is a 17 year old black girl or a 40 year old white red neck drunk. These girls need to learn right from wrong... looks like they just got a lesson.
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@87
Liberty Heights... doesn't count as North Philly sweetheart. That's why you live in Seattle. You know what's on the news every other day in Philly/South Jersey? Cop Killings.
I'm not a tool. Far from it. But thanks for cursing. Pretty respectable.
And no where in any of my posts did I mention anything about anyone being black... Maybe cause her being black doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm black. Does that give me credibility to speak on this non-race issue? Cause clearly the girl in the pink shirt is larger than the police officer. If she was white... she would STILL be larger than the police officer.
Liberty Heights... doesn't count as North Philly sweetheart. That's why you live in Seattle. You know what's on the news every other day in Philly/South Jersey? Cop Killings.
I'm not a tool. Far from it. But thanks for cursing. Pretty respectable.
And no where in any of my posts did I mention anything about anyone being black... Maybe cause her being black doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm black. Does that give me credibility to speak on this non-race issue? Cause clearly the girl in the pink shirt is larger than the police officer. If she was white... she would STILL be larger than the police officer.
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(When did you guys unlock this to unregistered people? See #93)
Someday, someone will videotape an actual police brutality situation again--I mean, as in like a Rodney King-scale physical assault. And someone will decide that the police officer(s) involved is out of line, and will try to physically intervene to protect the victim. When the real situation happens, I pray to God that the cop throwing the illegal beatdown doesn't hit the good interloper, or we'll see the shit storm to end all shit storms, to make the King riots look like a fun day out in the neighborhood. Mathematically, it's a given that this will happen. Today, 6/16/11, 6/15/21.
But this girl in pink? This is not such a justified situation.
Someday, someone will videotape an actual police brutality situation again--I mean, as in like a Rodney King-scale physical assault. And someone will decide that the police officer(s) involved is out of line, and will try to physically intervene to protect the victim. When the real situation happens, I pray to God that the cop throwing the illegal beatdown doesn't hit the good interloper, or we'll see the shit storm to end all shit storms, to make the King riots look like a fun day out in the neighborhood. Mathematically, it's a given that this will happen. Today, 6/16/11, 6/15/21.
But this girl in pink? This is not such a justified situation.
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@97
No. I said that there is a cop killing story on the news every other day in NJ/Philly. Anyone who knows that area knows it's the most dangerous part of the country to be a cop. Camden is the most dangerous city per-captia in the United States. Philadelphia leads the nation in cop killings.
No. I said that there is a cop killing story on the news every other day in NJ/Philly. Anyone who knows that area knows it's the most dangerous part of the country to be a cop. Camden is the most dangerous city per-captia in the United States. Philadelphia leads the nation in cop killings.
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Oh come on! @56, Try to drive around in this town without hitting some stupid person (sorry, but usually young) walking in the road whenever they please! Then, If I run over their stupid a$$, I am the one in trouble. Same rules should apply on the road as do on railroad tracks - if you are in the street, you better be a vehicle! Also, with all those people standing around, yelling and causing confusion and "mob mentallity" I think the officer handled himself very well and showed amazing restraint! I would have puched them both! And we didn't even see what he saw.... the jay walking incident - did a car have to slam on their brakes to avoid hitting them? You know there is a law about obstructing the flow of traffic as well. I usually don't side with cops either, but let's teach our kids to respect their elders, follow rules that are meant for THIER safety and stop thinking that everything is all about them!
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Jaywalking has and will continue to get people killed, not by cops, but by cars. Anyone who can't understand that basic fact of life is simply too stupid to live in a modern society. Unfortunately, there are people out there who get some sort of arrogant or perverse pleasure about disrupting traffic by jaywalking, even to the point of causing traffic accidents, as they stroll across a busy street. Cross walks and overpasses are there to protect pedestrians, use them. Too many perople are just too lazy or completely oblivious to reality, in the case of many high school and college students, to walk a block or two to a controlled intersection that would generally ensure their safety. So much for one of my pet peeves. Sorry for the rant.
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Both of those stupid girls got what they deserved... Everyone keeps talking about the lack of skills of the cop, however if you have a squirmy individual resisting arrest- getting belligerent and then having the suspects friend attack you too, well... Both are lucky a gun wasn’t pulled on them. They both got what they deserved.
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This situation really underscores the need to show this PSA in every high school.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feat…
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8&feat…
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This is not hard...grab a cop while his is arresting your unruly freind, YOU GET PUNCHED! Don't whine about your whittle owwy. She was not hurt, unlike her past victims.
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Read the story. He asked them to come over when they jaywalked in front of him - they insulted him and blew him off. If a cop tells you to do something, just do it. You have rights, but if you start acting like a cop doesn't have the authority to pull you aside to talk to you, you're going to have problems.
Seriously. If you think she didn't know what she was doing, that she thought the big bad white cop was taking her away forever or she was scared and fighting back naturally - get a fucking clue.
And for the people complaining it took him too long to arrest her - I'm sure he could have used a lot more force and probably broken her arm or something. I'm sure the pack of people would have loved that. They really should have gotten that guy a taser or something.
@84 read the story. They were fifteen feet from the footbridge. You can see it in the video.
Seriously. If you think she didn't know what she was doing, that she thought the big bad white cop was taking her away forever or she was scared and fighting back naturally - get a fucking clue.
And for the people complaining it took him too long to arrest her - I'm sure he could have used a lot more force and probably broken her arm or something. I'm sure the pack of people would have loved that. They really should have gotten that guy a taser or something.
@84 read the story. They were fifteen feet from the footbridge. You can see it in the video.
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I guess black girls don't get Miranda rights?
C'mon, he struck her in the face. That's an escalation of a tense situation into a violent one, something a police officer should never do. Cops are trained to defuse situations like this rapidly and quickly--there are a million holds he could've used to prevent this girl from using her arms, and he didn't manage to successfully use any of them. There was only shoving involved, no one actually hit him. And all their motions were defensive.
Also, some cop starts yelling at me because I jaywalked, he'd be lucky if I only gave him a dismissive gesture. Someone tries to ticket me over that, and I'm gonna think he's got a chip on his shoulder (which it clearly seems this incompetent cop does).
C'mon, he struck her in the face. That's an escalation of a tense situation into a violent one, something a police officer should never do. Cops are trained to defuse situations like this rapidly and quickly--there are a million holds he could've used to prevent this girl from using her arms, and he didn't manage to successfully use any of them. There was only shoving involved, no one actually hit him. And all their motions were defensive.
Also, some cop starts yelling at me because I jaywalked, he'd be lucky if I only gave him a dismissive gesture. Someone tries to ticket me over that, and I'm gonna think he's got a chip on his shoulder (which it clearly seems this incompetent cop does).
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PAUL I GUESS YOUR A WHITE MAN WHO BEATS HIS WIFE BECAUSE THATS A FEMALE NO MATTER WHAT HE SHOULD NOT HAVE HT HER BUT HE SHOULD HAVE CALLED FOR BACK UP!LORD HELP YOUR SOLE FOR BEING SO DUMB AND I HOPE YOU DONT HAVE A DAUGHTER BECAUSE SOME MAN IS GOING TO BEAT HER AND LETS SEE HOW YOU FEEL THEN!
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The Philly of @87 is much more like the one I remember than that of @91. Just as a point of face for the West Coasters.
@91: Sorry you've had a bad experience here. I actually think East Coast cities (NJ excluded) feel safer for civilians then Seattle but I know that's a matter of opinion.
@91: Sorry you've had a bad experience here. I actually think East Coast cities (NJ excluded) feel safer for civilians then Seattle but I know that's a matter of opinion.
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this is great let's smack 'em more often. fist to face, not a bad deal.
beats two thousand pounds o' metal taking your foolish ass out. girl took herself to "ass kicking
court" and lost! fuck you psuedotolerentseattle and your cops too.
this is great let's smack 'em more often. fist to face, not a bad deal.
beats two thousand pounds o' metal taking your foolish ass out. girl took herself to "ass kicking
court" and lost! fuck you psuedotolerentseattle and your cops too.
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First, I don't agree with the power the News Media uses to control government and all the political bull shit the general public has to put up with!!! The News Media needs to report BOTH SIDES OF A STORY!!! This incident will probably stir up even more racial unrest and hatred! It's about time the BLACK COMMUNITY AND IT'S LEADERS do their part to ease the unrest developing! I for one am getting sick and tired of these black kids thinking they can do anything they want, and just because they are black no one can touch them, or do anything to control their actions! We the general public DOES NOT OWE them any extra freedom just because they are black. They already have the same opportunities as everyone else!! They need to grow up and learn to develope their minds and work within the communities they live in. There are a lot GOOD BLACK LEADERS in our communities, but they had to earn their place in this world just like everyone else. If unrest continues, there will be another "Watts Riot" like war. And no one wants that!!
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A lot of the posters here just want an excuse to be allowed to be racist in public.
And wish we lived in a police state.
They should move back to Russia.
And wish we lived in a police state.
They should move back to Russia.
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Yes it was just jay walking. However from my understanding the department is trying to put a stop to it. The problem is the first girl would not comply with his orders and tried walking away from him WRONG MOVE!!!! Her walking away from him is what was getting her arrested.
That officer showed a lot of restraint. The 17 year old "little girl" was bigger than him and was trying to help the other one get away that is clearly shown on the video. She put her hands on him first and pushed him first. A lady is only a lady until she decides the throw down first.(by the way I am a woman and stronly believe that)
It might have taken him awhile to put the cuffs on her but that is only because he was trying to do it without injuring her. Had either one of them been MEN they would have been shot.
Neither one of them conducted themselves as women or ladies. They were physically resisting trying to get away and the forced that was used was justified and he could have used more force with the first girl had he wanted to. He chose not to use more force probably because she was a female.
He showed more professionalism than most cops I have seen. He does not deserve a reprimand of any sort. Let put it this way had that cop punched my daughter and saw that video I would be pissed. My daughter would have to pick her teeth up by the time I was done with her and I would get with the cheif to apologise for my childs actions. Unfortunitally we live in a society where children have no accountability for thier actions.
Had they listened to him from the beginning they would have been arrested or punched. doesn't get any simplier than that.
That officer showed a lot of restraint. The 17 year old "little girl" was bigger than him and was trying to help the other one get away that is clearly shown on the video. She put her hands on him first and pushed him first. A lady is only a lady until she decides the throw down first.(by the way I am a woman and stronly believe that)
It might have taken him awhile to put the cuffs on her but that is only because he was trying to do it without injuring her. Had either one of them been MEN they would have been shot.
Neither one of them conducted themselves as women or ladies. They were physically resisting trying to get away and the forced that was used was justified and he could have used more force with the first girl had he wanted to. He chose not to use more force probably because she was a female.
He showed more professionalism than most cops I have seen. He does not deserve a reprimand of any sort. Let put it this way had that cop punched my daughter and saw that video I would be pissed. My daughter would have to pick her teeth up by the time I was done with her and I would get with the cheif to apologise for my childs actions. Unfortunitally we live in a society where children have no accountability for thier actions.
Had they listened to him from the beginning they would have been arrested or punched. doesn't get any simplier than that.
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A) The cop was in a dangerous situation once things started escalating. Why would he bring his detainee down to the ground and leave his back exposed and himself in a vulnerable position? By trying to cuff her while still standing gives him total view of his situation. The cop acted professionally.
B) This is a jaywalking incident. Why is this girl acting so crazy? If she had just said sorry instead of mouthing off and disobeying a police officer, she probably would've been let off with a warning. And her girlfriend should've stood by. The woman being arrested first should be charged with a hate crime since she was yelling racial slurs.
C) Jaywalking is a major problem in cities and tourist areas and how lazy can one be not to climb the stairs and use the overpass?
D) The use of mace is only when one knows the direction with which it will blow and if it's a safe enough distance from the user's face/body. 1) The girl in pink was too close to him and the other woman and 2) He didn't have time to grab for his mace.
E) Again,. the cop is in a dangerous situation. A crowd has formed, he's struggling with two women now - one who is attacking him and the other resisting arrest, and backup has yet to arrive. Use of force is allowed in this situation where the cop is threatened and must protect himself from an attacker.
F) I'm glad this video came out
B) This is a jaywalking incident. Why is this girl acting so crazy? If she had just said sorry instead of mouthing off and disobeying a police officer, she probably would've been let off with a warning. And her girlfriend should've stood by. The woman being arrested first should be charged with a hate crime since she was yelling racial slurs.
C) Jaywalking is a major problem in cities and tourist areas and how lazy can one be not to climb the stairs and use the overpass?
D) The use of mace is only when one knows the direction with which it will blow and if it's a safe enough distance from the user's face/body. 1) The girl in pink was too close to him and the other woman and 2) He didn't have time to grab for his mace.
E) Again,. the cop is in a dangerous situation. A crowd has formed, he's struggling with two women now - one who is attacking him and the other resisting arrest, and backup has yet to arrive. Use of force is allowed in this situation where the cop is threatened and must protect himself from an attacker.
F) I'm glad this video came out
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In Seattle and other cities, a lot of young kids brazenly j-walk, daring motorists to hit them. It's a big problem. They know it's illegal. They know it's dangerous. They do it to antagonize the motorists. They are stupid that way.
If a police officer would tell me to step over to his car, I would step over to his car. I would not try to wrestle him, then tell him to 'get the f*** off of me'. His job is to stop the j-walking. All of the kids involved in this incident should be fined. If they believe they can overpower a police officer and get away with it, they should go to jail - period.
Playing a game of dare-you-to-hit-me with motorists or a police officer is a dangerous game.
When you lose, don't complain.
If a police officer would tell me to step over to his car, I would step over to his car. I would not try to wrestle him, then tell him to 'get the f*** off of me'. His job is to stop the j-walking. All of the kids involved in this incident should be fined. If they believe they can overpower a police officer and get away with it, they should go to jail - period.
Playing a game of dare-you-to-hit-me with motorists or a police officer is a dangerous game.
When you lose, don't complain.
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J-walking is a game of I-dare-you-to-hit-me a lot of kids in Seattle (and other cities) play. Wrestling with a police officer is another game of I-dare-you-to-hit-me.
When you lose the game and someone hits you, don't complain and pretend you are a victim.
When you lose the game and someone hits you, don't complain and pretend you are a victim.
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"OMG how could he have punched a teenage girl in her face?? Why was he having such a hard time subduing her?" All men are huge and strong and all girls (especially teenage girls) are weak and under 100 pounds, right? Clearly, he could have picked up both girls, thrown them over each shoulder, and tossed them into the car, right? He must not be a 'real man.'
Watch the video and stop listening to the hot-button paternalistic buzzwords.
The real issue, though, is would he have done the same to some fussy white chick who was resisting arrest? Not sure...
Watch the video and stop listening to the hot-button paternalistic buzzwords.
The real issue, though, is would he have done the same to some fussy white chick who was resisting arrest? Not sure...
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To the person asking why she wasn't read her MIranda rights:
BEACUSE THE COP HAD BEEN UNABLE TO ARREST HER. DUH. YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THAT? That usually happends AFTER you have been handcuffed, not while you are beating the cops
BEACUSE THE COP HAD BEEN UNABLE TO ARREST HER. DUH. YOU DIDN'T NOTICE THAT? That usually happends AFTER you have been handcuffed, not while you are beating the cops
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Both young women have criminal records. One has pushed an officer before. They are both menaces to society and if they don't change their delusional ways they will end up in prison or dead eventually.
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That cop absolutely did not lose his cool. This video is very different than the video of that racist cop kicking the hispanic suspect in the face and then taunting him. Difference being, there isn't a cauldron of police officers standing idly by watching it happen. This was a police officer issuing a ticket for jaywalking and then being confronted with two females, including the one who was to be issued the original citation, resisting the officer and being physical. Not to mention that while trying to issue said citation, he is surrounded by passersby who are more concerned about filming a potential "cop loses his mind and beats down on two young black females because he's a racist" youtube clip, than telling said black females to stop resisting a police officer and comply. I don't always agree with what the police do, but I sure do know when to keep my hands off of them.
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Of course they will use the RACECARD, But the Officer did his job.
If she got hit by a car or what ever and they saw a Officer sitting then they would have said he should have did something to her for crossing the street not in a cross walk,so what is an Officer to do .
Dam if you do Dam if you don't.
I have a idea why don't you listen to the Officer in a calm way and not act like a animal,and don't put your hands on the Officer and maybe he would have just told you to use the crosswalk and let you go.
If you can do better ,then try to be an Officer because you wouldn't last a hour.
If this DUMB broad get a dime , it should go to charity not her,stop the free rides on taxpayers.
If she got hit by a car or what ever and they saw a Officer sitting then they would have said he should have did something to her for crossing the street not in a cross walk,so what is an Officer to do .
Dam if you do Dam if you don't.
I have a idea why don't you listen to the Officer in a calm way and not act like a animal,and don't put your hands on the Officer and maybe he would have just told you to use the crosswalk and let you go.
If you can do better ,then try to be an Officer because you wouldn't last a hour.
If this DUMB broad get a dime , it should go to charity not her,stop the free rides on taxpayers.
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Police brutality? No. This guy is clearly not a brutal guy. If anything he strikes me as too nice.
Obvious:
1. It doesn't matter what the original issue was - as soon as you escalate a confrontation with the police to physical or even verbal resistance, you have changed the nature of the confrontation.
2. These girls were not very clever by anybody's standards. How many people would start verbally assaulting a cop that has stopped them for a traffic violation? How many people would walk away from a cop that has asked them to stop walking away? Ever hear of "resisting arrest?"
3. No one in this forum could have done a better job keeping their cool in this unfortunate and unbelievably stressful situation. This guy was clearly going way out of his way to keep the physical violence to an absolute minimum. I would have to assume that 90% of all cops would have had a more brutal response at any point in that confrontation.
4. That punch to the face was very, very restrained by any measure. This guy was acting like a pussy cat. Obviously hostile crowd, girl #1 resisting arrest and girl number two gets tries to physically interfere... with a cop?! What in the world would you do... run away? Put up a sign that says physically assaulting a cop is OK if the crowd is big enough?
Really folks... spend your time investing in Seattle's school systems to help these folks deal with this world in a more successful fashion. These girls are clearly not going to have an easy go of it with the environment we've created for them so far...
Seattle cops are pretty damn good compared to some of the cop cultures elsewhere in this country. Give this guy a pat on the back and let him get on with his job. Clearly a good guy in this story.
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Obvious:
1. It doesn't matter what the original issue was - as soon as you escalate a confrontation with the police to physical or even verbal resistance, you have changed the nature of the confrontation.
2. These girls were not very clever by anybody's standards. How many people would start verbally assaulting a cop that has stopped them for a traffic violation? How many people would walk away from a cop that has asked them to stop walking away? Ever hear of "resisting arrest?"
3. No one in this forum could have done a better job keeping their cool in this unfortunate and unbelievably stressful situation. This guy was clearly going way out of his way to keep the physical violence to an absolute minimum. I would have to assume that 90% of all cops would have had a more brutal response at any point in that confrontation.
4. That punch to the face was very, very restrained by any measure. This guy was acting like a pussy cat. Obviously hostile crowd, girl #1 resisting arrest and girl number two gets tries to physically interfere... with a cop?! What in the world would you do... run away? Put up a sign that says physically assaulting a cop is OK if the crowd is big enough?
Really folks... spend your time investing in Seattle's school systems to help these folks deal with this world in a more successful fashion. These girls are clearly not going to have an easy go of it with the environment we've created for them so far...
Seattle cops are pretty damn good compared to some of the cop cultures elsewhere in this country. Give this guy a pat on the back and let him get on with his job. Clearly a good guy in this story.
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This Country has gotting way out of hand,We spend so much time on DUMB CRAP like this that the real I'm talking real Bullshit like our Gov't and Big Companys are draining our pockets.
They distract you with garbage like that and then they come in and give you a Beaten,til you lose everything!!!!
I agree we have crooked Police but 99% of the Law Enforcement is outstanding 1% are ASSHOLES and they come in all colors not one.
But 99% of good Officers, there hands are tied because of Big Gov't and won't let them do there job.
And if we didn't have people like these two girls and 17 yearold teens are not children they know what they are doing,these girls would have never been in the news.The way this Country is ran the people who commit crime get the free ride and our hard earn tax money.WAKEUP
They distract you with garbage like that and then they come in and give you a Beaten,til you lose everything!!!!
I agree we have crooked Police but 99% of the Law Enforcement is outstanding 1% are ASSHOLES and they come in all colors not one.
But 99% of good Officers, there hands are tied because of Big Gov't and won't let them do there job.
And if we didn't have people like these two girls and 17 yearold teens are not children they know what they are doing,these girls would have never been in the news.The way this Country is ran the people who commit crime get the free ride and our hard earn tax money.WAKEUP
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First off - the video shown above doesn't show what occurred before the scene got intense. Any person who thinks they can just walk away from a police officer's orders is an idiot.
When you are under arrest you either submit or resist. Resistance carries consequences - often physical ones.
When you are under arrest you either submit or resist. Resistance carries consequences - often physical ones.
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Great job Officer! Such desrespect for authority is all too common these days. Its a shame kids have none anymore. I thought the officer handled it very well, I personally would have expected him to used much more force much sooner. He left himself at risk for far to long while letting the little brats get away with a ton of violations.
Again, this officer should be commended for a job well done!
Again, this officer should be commended for a job well done!
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I think the officer handled the situation well. The other lady had no business shoving the officer away and obstructing justice.
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SL Letter of the Day: Life Sentence by Dan Savage
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Crowdsourcing Uncut Police Video from the Dec. 12 Occupy Protest at the Port of Seattle by Eli Sanders
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Slog Bible Study: Deuteronomy 21:10-14 by Goldy
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The AP Is Reporting That Whitney Houston Is Dead by Paul Constant
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The Onion Is on a Roll: "Iran Worried U.S. Might Be Building 8,500th Nuclear Weapon" by Charles Mudede
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Announcing The Stranger's Tournament of Dunces! Who's the Dumbest Representative in the State House? by Christopher Frizzelle
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Survey Says: Cyclists Would Rather Give Up Sex Than Their Bikes by Bethany Jean Clement
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Stranger Tournament of Dunces, Match 3: Rep. Mark Hargrove vs. Rep. Norma Smith by Eli Sanders
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Rachel Maddow Uncovered the Secret Ron Paul Strategy by Paul Constant
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