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Tuesday, May 11, 2010

What Does Obama See in Elena Kagan?

Posted by on Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:02 AM

Everyone seems to have pretty much known Elena Kagan would be the Supreme Court nominee this time around. I didn't bother getting all worked up about the possibility of my civil procedure professor (liberal favorite Judge Diane Wood) being nominated like I did last time. But even though it was a foregone conclusion, it's still hard to tell why the President picked Kagan.

Elena Kagan

Kagan is a cipher. Her law review articles are boring, even for law review articles. In the 1990s, she argued that the current doctrinal mess that is the First Amendment makes sense if you see it as a series of tests that identify and strike down statutes that were motivated by an impermissible government purpose. ("Private Speech, Public Purpose: The Role of Government Motive in First Amendment Doctrine," 63 U. Chi. L. Rev. 413 (1996)). Yes, that's about as dull as it sounds. Other First Amendment specialists run around yapping about Supreme Court precedent that ought to be overturned, or suggesting principles that both explain doctrine and show how it should be extended, or exploring the titillating origins of obscenity law (err, or maybe that's just my free speech professor). Kagan, in contrast, found a clever way to justify the status quo.

Kagan is supposedly big on executive power, a concept that has recently been associated with conservatives who love George W. Bush (see John Yoo's newish book Crisis and Command). President Obama seems to like her reputation in this area, since he nodded to it in his nomination speech (he said that she has a "a firm grasp of the nexus and boundaries between our three branches of government"). But executive power can be either conservative or liberal, depending on who's in the White House. And the article in which she supposedly expounds her views on executive power ("Presidential Administration," 114 Harv. L. Rev. 2245 (2001)) does not deal with war, or habeas corpus, or any of the recent hot-button issues. Rather, she argued that the president should have more control over some of the administrative agencies, and pointed out that President Clinton was just as meddlesome as President Reagan, but in a pro-regulatory direction. Somewhat more worrisome are various exchanges about executive power during her confirmation hearings for solicitor general. But in my opinion, it's impossible to draw any inferences about her personal beliefs from those exchanges.

What is clear is that Obama was looking for a youngster (Kagan, at 50, would be the youngest member of the Court) who will extend his influence on Supreme Court doctrine for a long time to come. But this is ironic, since Obama has not tried very hard to fill the lower court vacancies that represent the next generation of judges. This is important not only because the ideological stance of appeals court judges makes a difference in how they decide cases (see Sunstein, Schkade, and Ellman, "Ideological Voting on Federal Courts of Appeals: A Preliminary Investigation," 90 Va. L. Rev. 301 (2004)), but because the ideology of the clerks they hire plays a central role in shaping not only the judiciary, but also academia, government, and private law firms. (Note that Elena Kagan clerked for Judge Abner Mikva and Justice Thurgood Marshall.)

Naturally Stranger readers will want to know about Kagan's stance on gay rights. Kagan—regardless of her own sexual orientation—does seem to love the gays. Here's her Solomon Amendment email to Harvard students ("The military's policy deprives many men and women of courage and character from having the opportunity to serve their country in the greatest way possible. This is a profound wrong—a moral injustice of the first order"). I would completely disregard her statements during the solicitor general confirmation process on the Constitution's minimal protections for gays and lesbians: she was talking about current constitutional doctrine in the context of a hearing to decide whether she could argue in favor of current U.S. law (including the federal DOMA). Her statements about current equal protection doctrine were perfectly accurate, and as a Supreme Court Justice, unlike a solicitor general, she would be empowered to make new doctrine.

I will also point out one tiny little area where Kagan will almost certainly be more protective of civil liberties than Justice Stevens was: flag burning. A World War II veteran, Justice Stevens favored a big gaping exception to First Amendment doctrine in the flag burning context. See Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397, 436 (Stevens dissenting). Kagan, meanwhile, has argued that even carefully written statutes targeting flag burning are unconstitutional. See 63 U. Chi. L. Rev at n. 242. So your antiwar bonfires are safe.

Basically, though, we know very little about Kagan's positions on major constitutional issues or philosophy about constitutional interpretation. Luckily, we still have the confirmation hearings. And if Kagan doesn't want to be a hypocrite, she should engage in a serious discussion of her judicial philosophy in the Senate chambers. As a law professor at the University of Chicago in the 1990s, she argued, "When the Senate ceases to engage nominees in meaningful discussion of legal issues, the confirmation process takes on an air of vacuity and farce, and the Senate becomes incapable of either properly evaluating nominees or appropriately educating the public. Whatever imperfections may have attended the Bork hearings pale in comparison with these recent failures [referring to the Ginsberg and Breyer hearings]. Out, then, with the new mess and in with the old!" ("Confirmation Messes, Old and New," 62 U. Chi. L. Rev. 919, 920).

Senators should quote liberally from this priceless book review, and make Kagan tell them how the Constitution ought to be interpreted. President Obama, meanwhile, should buy every Senator a copy of this brand-new book: David Strauss's The Living Constitution. Republicans are winning the public opinion war on judicial philosophy. Kagan, a lifelong Democrat and a sure confirmation bet, should seize this opportunity to push back.

 

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gloomy gus 1
Welcome back, Annie - hope you contribute as the confirmation goes on too! I have a huge crush on Kagan but your reminder about the executive power thing is pretty sobering.
Posted by gloomy gus on May 11, 2010 at 8:16 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 2
Wow, that was almost as exciting as a law review article.

There are a couple of simple truths here: Nobody (possibly even Obama) really knows where she stands on the "issues" (I'll save my discussion of whether justices should even have a stand on the issues for another day); and, unless there's a pretty serious skeleton in her closet that we don't know about, she's going to get confirmed. Everything else is just mental masturbation.

Of course, mental masturbation is what lawyers do best, so have at it.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 8:31 AM
Vince 3
"Republicans are winning the public opinion war on judicial philosophy" sounds questionable to me. Democrats have been quick to point out that the recent Supreme Court decision to strike down campaign finance law was some of the most egregious judicial "activism" in history. And they should continue to do so.
Posted by Vince on May 11, 2010 at 8:36 AM
Keekee 4
I know that I am shallow, but that is not an atractive woman...
Posted by Keekee on May 11, 2010 at 8:50 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 5
Keekee, I got a chuckle out of one of the comments to the NYT article on her yesterday: "Couldn't you find a more flattering photo of her?" Um, I'm afraid there aren't any flattering photos of her.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 8:55 AM
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@3: Arguing that Citizens United was wrongly decided does not a judicial philosophy make. Have you heard of originalism? Thought so. Have you heard of common law constitutionalism? That's what the liberal justices on the Supreme Court do, but the general public doesn't understand it. And how could they, when then-Judge Sotomayor complacently accepts Justice Robert's ridiculous balls and strikes analogy:

KOHL: We heard as much recently about Chief Justice Roberts' view that judges are like umpires simply calling balls and strikes. So finally, would you like to take the opportunity to give us your view about this sort of an analogy?

SOTOMAYOR: Few judges could claim they love baseball more than I do. (LAUGHTER) For obvious reasons. But analogies are always imperfect. And I prefer to describe what judges do, like umpires, is to be impartial and bring an open mind to every case before them. And by an open mind, I mean a judge who looks at the facts of each case, listens and understands the arguments of the parties, and applies the law as the law commands. It's a refrain I keep repeating because that is my philosophy of judging--applying the law to the facts at hand. And that's my description of judging.


I promise you, Republicans are winning. See the Quinnipiac poll results reported here.
Posted by Annie Wagner on May 11, 2010 at 9:02 AM
dontrelle 7
She seems to have had a sudden change of heart-

But during a briefing with reporters in the White House, Ron Klain, a top legal adviser to Vice President Joe Biden who played a key role in helping President Obama choose Kagan, said that she no longer holds this opinion. . . .

"She was asked about it and said that both the passage of time and her perspective as a nominee had given her a new appreciation and respect for the difficulty of being a nominee, and the need to answer questions carefully," Klain said, prompting laughter from a few reporters.

"You will see before the committee that she walks that line in a very appropriate way. She will be forthcoming with the committee. It will be a robust and engaging conversation about the law, but she will obviously also respect the conventions about how far a nominee should or shouldn’t go in answering about specific legal questions," Klain said.

Posted by dontrelle on May 11, 2010 at 9:06 AM
Keekee 8
Fifty-Two-Eighty:
That is hilarious!
Posted by Keekee on May 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM
Quintus Slide 9
And while your purchasing Strauss's book, go out and read Stanley Fish's devastating critique of that book right here.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/201…
Posted by Quintus Slide on May 11, 2010 at 9:15 AM
10
@9: I met Stanley Fish last week, and while he is hilarious and brilliant, he is also a contrarian hack. (And you're is spelled with an apostrophe and an "e.") No one who has ever studied First Amendment doctrine thinks it flows inevitably from the text--much less the original intent of the Framers--of the First Amendment.
Posted by Annie Wagner on May 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM
11
Annie,
It seems that we're all in agreement that her public record is sparse, especially as compared to what is available for the other short-listers. At the same time, she is very well known by those who made the nomination decision. In other words, their private information about her is much more comprehensive than their information about the other candidates except Wood. Might we come to find out that Obama et al knew all along what her positions were based on years of personal, mostly private, interactions with her?

(Gus says hello.)
Posted by Ryan Calkins on May 11, 2010 at 9:28 AM
12
Good post. Here's a question for the author: Do YOU decide which phrases to (apparently) arbitrarily bold, or is that someone at Slog?

Followup question: Why the hell don't you stop?
Posted by Nick on May 11, 2010 at 9:32 AM
Max Solomon 13
obama picked her because he's known her forever, likes her, thinks she's smart, and trusts her.

i guess.

and she's no worse looking than ginsburg or sotomayor. or scalia. or alito. or any of those assholes. and it wouldn't be possible for anyone to have a soul uglier than clarence thomas'.
Posted by Max Solomon on May 11, 2010 at 9:47 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 14
@12: No, she can bold anything she wants to bold. You're just jealous because you don't know how to do it.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 9:58 AM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 15

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Yeah...Me Too:

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Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://www.you-read-it-here-first.com on May 11, 2010 at 10:13 AM
16
I realize she is a very accomplished attorney with an impressive array of feathers in her legal cap, but it still seems so odd to me that her first position as a judge will be as a Supreme Court justice.

I think what bothers me most about it is the uncomfortable reminder of Harriet Miers. I realize the two have vastly different legal careers, and that Ms. Kagan's is light years more stellar, but I was gobsmacked that Bush would even consider nominating someone who had never served on any bench. It seemed beyond the pale back then, and it still seems so odd now.
Posted by karion on May 11, 2010 at 10:16 AM
Max Solomon 17
@16: i don't think judicial experience has always been considered as neccessary for the SCOTUS as it is now - it's just recently that this has been 'normal'. but there's plenty of non-judges if you go back before St. Reagan.
Posted by Max Solomon on May 11, 2010 at 10:20 AM
slake 18
This bland, boring, centrist nomination reminds me why I voted Nader in 2000.
Posted by slake on May 11, 2010 at 10:22 AM
Catalina Vel-DuRay 19
I like her. And that's enough for me.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on May 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 20
@18, that tells me all I need to know about you.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 10:33 AM
seandr 21
@18
Your comment reminds me that conservatives don't have a monopoly on stupidity.
Posted by seandr on May 11, 2010 at 10:58 AM
slake 22
Hey 52.80-I'm not ashamed of my vote and I'll do it again if 2 douchebags from the Dems & Reps run against each other. (not that the vote mattered too much living in Washington) (however, convincing my Mom who lives in New Mexico to vote Nader was damn inspiring)
Posted by slake on May 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM
aardvark 23
cut off her balls
Posted by aardvark on May 11, 2010 at 11:03 AM
Will in Seattle 24
Why should we in the West care about another elitist Eastern Law School nominee who is part of the Catholic/Jew lock on the US Supreme Court?

Wake me up when you get someone from a Western Law School or an Atheist, Wiccan, Buddhist, or Pastafarian.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 11, 2010 at 11:13 AM
25
I didn't realize that it's more important for a Supreme Court justice to be flashy and charismatic than a good jurist.
Posted by keshmeshi on May 11, 2010 at 11:14 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 26
Nobody ever said that it was, Kesh. We're just being catty. Come on, you can't say you've never done it.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 11:19 AM
Anne in MA 27
@ 5 - Yeah...I'm a fan of Kagan, but she really doesn't photograph well.

I also take issue with describing her law review articles as boring, but I'm an admin nerd.
Posted by Anne in MA on May 11, 2010 at 11:32 AM
slake 28
It's not necessary to to be flashy or charismatic, but when Republicans nominate judges like Alito and Roberts, Democrats need to do a lot better (and yes, I mean liberal) than a Kagan.
Posted by slake on May 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM
29
@26,

I was taking issue with Annie's position specifically. She's butthurt that her flashy and charismatic law professor hasn't been nominated, when there are easily hundreds of qualified candidates.
Posted by keshmeshi on May 11, 2010 at 11:47 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 30
Kesh: Cool.

Anne: But let's face it, darling, law review articles are inherently boring, no matter who writes them. As a practicing attorney of more years than I'm willing to admit to here, nobody reads that stuff, and God help you if you're reduced to actually having to cite it.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 11:50 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 31
Oh, Jesus, I just had a shot of Jagermeister "go down the wrong way." The choking's no fun, but oh Lord it burns. That's a first for me.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 11:55 AM
Anne in MA 32
@ 30 - Haha, fair enough. I just don't think her writing is any more boring than your standard LR article. Which is admittedly a high, high bar to pass.

God help you if you're reduced to actually having to cite it.

I hate citing things, period. I wish to round up every Bluebook in the country and build a giant bonfire.
Posted by Anne in MA on May 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 33
I have the fucking thing memorized. Scary thought, eh?
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 12:10 PM
34
I suspect conservatives are "winning the public opinion war on judicial philosophy" the same way they're winning the public opinion war on the role of religion in public life: Since the majority of people who cite the sacredness of either the Constitution or the Bible as their main motivation are people who haven't actually read those documents, conservative pundits get to tell them pretty much anything they want and claim that it's all there in black and white.

Simple people like simple ideologies, and there is no shortage of simpletons.
Posted by Proteus on May 11, 2010 at 12:37 PM
Anne in MA 35
@ 33 - *Shudder*

Back me up on this: "Small Caps" needs to go away forever.
Posted by Anne in MA on May 11, 2010 at 12:41 PM
Rhett Oracle 36
Kagan being identified as a cipher is a stretch considering Kagan's résumé. It should only be awhile before her perceived 'shortcomings' (unattractive, single, purpose-driven) will result in her being identified as a lesbian cipher. Annie's back and everyone's entitled to her withering opinion.
Posted by Rhett Oracle on May 11, 2010 at 12:51 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 37
No small caps??? But, but . . . how would I cite Am. Jur.?
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM
Will in Seattle 38
@31 switch to Hale's Ale brews - you won't be paying the beer tax if you do that.

So it won't hurt quite as much.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on May 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM
39
She's a friend of Obama's. They taught together at UC, so they hung out at all the faculty events, they debated like academic lawyers debate. They got drunk together. He knows what she believes in.
Posted by ScreenName on May 11, 2010 at 1:02 PM
40
Holy shit, Bluebook discussion!?!?! Please remember that the period after "id." is italicized. But that's a no-brainer since everyone can tell an italicized period from the rest.
Posted by California on May 11, 2010 at 1:06 PM
41
How can you say she would be good for LGBT civil rights if she refuses to answer the simple question of whether she is a lesbian or not? It is NOT an invasive question as the left (straight) bloggers would have us believe. We know the "sexual orientation"--at least implied--of every other member of the Court. Specifically because their heterosexual relationships are sanctioned by law. Something gay people are wrongfully denied. Asking if she is a lesbian is not asking about her sex life, it is about simply knowing an innate characteristic like gender or race. Imagine if she tried to get away with hiding that? Pat from SNL as a Supreme?? It is laughable. It is ridiculous that she would refuse to acknowledge the matter, regardless if she is gay or not. And if she just likes to be by herself outside of a relationship, she should just say that. It is telling that those (straight) pundits on the left don't get what this is really about. This is the essence of our civil rights movement. As long as gay identity is considered something that should (or can) remain hidden we will continue to have closet cases like Rekkers and Haggard, and people will continue to legitimately believe that it is OK to deny LGBT Americans civil rights, because it is not about identity, it is about sex.
Posted by gaylib on May 11, 2010 at 1:19 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 42
Ahem. Punctuation is never italicized, underlined, or bolded. We're obviously dealing with an inferior legal mind here. :D
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 1:21 PM
43
@42, Since you've memorized the Bluebook, it's unnecessary for me to direct your attention to the final sentence of the first paragraph of Rule 4.1: "Note that the period at the end of 'id.' is always italicized."
Posted by California on May 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 44
Ah well. Good thing I'm drunk enough not to care then, eh?
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 1:37 PM
45
34

THAT's the problem, for sure-
you Libs are just too godam smart for your own good.....
Posted by Ha. Ha. Ha. on May 11, 2010 at 1:52 PM
Anne in MA 46
@ 43, 44 - The fact that the italicization of the period in Id. is a point of conversation? Shit like that is why I hate the Bluebook.
Posted by Anne in MA on May 11, 2010 at 1:59 PM
kim in portland 47
Bluebook and Jagermeister shots? You're making me smile. Take care of yourself.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 11, 2010 at 2:02 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 48
You always make me smile, sweetie.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on May 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM
49
Oh my, Bluebook debate? I must point out that a) I go to Chicago, where we use something insane called the Maroonbook, and only made concessions to the Bluebook for you, dear readers, who ought to be able to look stuff up on Westlaw without getting confused; and that b) I modified the Bluebook conventions because I think the idea of italicizing article titles is stupid. They are parts of a longer work, and thus they should be enclosed in quotation marks. Nobody is citechecking my Slog post, I thought (erroneously!).
Posted by Annie Wagner on May 11, 2010 at 2:10 PM
kim in portland 50
xox
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on May 11, 2010 at 2:15 PM
Anne in MA 51
@ 49 - Oh, the Bluebook didn't come up because we were citechecking you (though the process of subciting has become sadly ingrained in me). I just said I hated citing things, mostly because Bluebook conventions make me want to scream. Conversation kind of spun out from there.
Posted by Anne in MA on May 11, 2010 at 2:25 PM
Anne in MA 52
More on-topic: Larry Lessig pushes back against some of Glenn Greenwald's criticism of the Kagan nomination. Thought I'd share.
Posted by Anne in MA on May 11, 2010 at 2:49 PM
53
@51 I take my fair share of the blame, and I, in turn, blame law review for having etched in my mind innumerable citation rules. Happily, now I just improvise some fusion of the BB and the California Style Manual and call it good.
Posted by California on May 11, 2010 at 2:55 PM
Vince 54
And still nobody mentions the importance of one hundred years of precedent in the decision making process. And yes, you can sight case law that I have not read. But ask your average American questions on just their very basic constitutional law and you'd likely get a blank look.
Posted by Vince on May 11, 2010 at 3:00 PM
55
this rug munchers policeys are what obama tells her they are.
Posted by gillettebret on May 12, 2010 at 10:17 AM
56
@55: "Policies." When you pluralize a word ending in "y" usually it is converted to "ies." Also, an apostrophe "s" is appropriate after "rug muncher" to indicate possession: "The rug muncher's policies."

These are a few baby steps you can take towards sounding like you graduated junior high school.
Posted by Welcome to the 9th Grade on May 12, 2010 at 10:55 AM
57
@56:

"an apostrophe 's' " should be simply " ' 's ' "

"graduated junior high school" should be "graduated from junior high school."

And you should have also said

" 'obama' should be 'Obama.' "

These are a few baby steps you can take, if you like, if you wish to sound *as if* you went to college.

[N.B.: I eschewed consistent capitalization to troll bait; it is a pretentious and ironic act, not an authentic, uneducated act.]

[E.g., a baby step to graduate school.]
Posted by Welcome to Harvard on May 13, 2010 at 8:36 AM
dan123 58
I am really curious how Kagan will perform in Supreme Court. There seems to be quite some controverse between Republicans and Democrats regarding her experience and skills. I think only time can tell if she's been a good choice. Elena Kagans confirmation was a courageous nomination and if she fails, the Obama government will face even more resistance and some legitimate criticism.
Posted by dan123 on July 21, 2010 at 1:05 AM

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