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Tuesday, May 4, 2010

Is Every Right-Wing, Anti-Gay Christian Bigot Sucking Off Rent Boys?

Posted by on Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:40 AM

We've got another one, gang, and he's a doozy:

The pictures on the profile show a shirtless young man with delicate features, guileless eyes, and sun-kissed, hairless skin. The profile touts his "smooth, sweet, tight ass" and "perfectly built 8 inch cock (uncut)" and explains he is "sensual," "wild," and "up for anything"—as long you ask first. And as long as you pay. On April 13, the "rent boy" (whom we'll call Lucien) arrived at Miami International Airport on Iberian Airlines Flight 6123, after a ten-day, fully subsidized trip to Europe. He was soon followed out of customs by an old man with an atavistic mustache and a desperate blond comb-over, pushing an overburdened baggage cart.

That man was George Alan Rekers, of North Miami—the callboy's client and, as it happens, one of America's most prominent anti-gay activists. Rekers, a Baptist minister who is a leading scholar for the Christian right, left the terminal with his gay escort, looking a bit discomfited when a picture of the two was snapped with a hot-pink digital camera.

Reached by New Times before a trip to Bermuda, Rekers said he learned Lucien was a prostitute only midway through their vacation. "I had surgery," Rekers said, "and I can't lift luggage. That's why I hired him." (Though medical problems didn't stop him from pushing the tottering baggage cart through MIA.) Yet Rekers wouldn't deny he met his slender, blond escort at—which features homepage images of men in bondage and grainy videos of crotch-rubbing twinks—and Lucien confirmed it.

Rekers, as Joe Jervis points out, is the co-founder of the wildly anti-gay Family Research Council and a member of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), an organization that claims to "cure" gay people.

Rekers is also the author of Shaping Your Child's Sexual Identity. I haven't read the book but I'm guessing it encourages parents to believe that they can shape their children's sexual identities. Which, of course, they can't. (Lord knows my partner and I tried.) Rekers is also a member of the American College of Pediatrics, a fake pediatricians organization formed by religious conservatives to counter the reality-based American Academy of Pediatrics (which opposes "curing" gay people, argues for more support for gay youth, and backs gay marriage and adoptions by gay couples).

Let's pause to savor this moment... and then let's get to work. We have to do all we can to make sure "lift my luggage" enters the lexicon alongside "hike the Appalachian trail."


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lark 1
And, "I have a wide stance"
Posted by lark on May 4, 2010 at 10:47 AM · Report this
very bad homo 2
Posted by very bad homo on May 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM · Report this
Vince 3
I was going to say how much this pisses me off. But then I realized how deliciously funny it is.
Posted by Vince on May 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM · Report this
Oh I'm a lumber jack and I'm ok....
Posted by Eric from Boulder on May 4, 2010 at 10:50 AM · Report this
laterite 5
Ha ha ha
Posted by laterite on May 4, 2010 at 10:51 AM · Report this
Posted by Baconcat on May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM · Report this
I love this soooo much, not only the luggage euphemism (elderly junk=Samsonite?) but the notion that the ragazzi was writing his web bio and thought, man, my dick is just, what is the word...not stacked, that's for tits, but like that, hmm...built. That's it, my dick is built, man.
Posted by gloomy gus on May 4, 2010 at 10:55 AM · Report this
Anne in MA 8
I love the world. I really do.

I showed this story to my roommate. His response: "Every one of them. Every last one of them. It's unreal."
Posted by Anne in MA on May 4, 2010 at 10:56 AM · Report this
Rotten666 9
I really do enjoy the public shaming of bigoted closet cases. More please!
Posted by Rotten666 on May 4, 2010 at 10:56 AM · Report this
Lift his luggage? Young Mr. Lucien must be quite the bag handler.

As fun as this story might be, it makes me wonder who tipped off New Times about Rekers trip. Is there a power struggle at NARTH and the other anti-gay organizations? It seems like there have been a lot of similar cases in the few years. Or maybe there's a supersecret gay mole planted inside these groups who is systematically exposing them.
Posted by Smartypants on May 4, 2010 at 10:57 AM · Report this
heythere 11
Dan, give us email addresses and phone numbers of Reker's organizations so we can make ourselves heard.
Posted by heythere on May 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM · Report this
Joe Szilagyi 12
Clearly he was setup by the vast and far reaching homosexual conspiracy. You guys are like the Illuminati of Sex.
Posted by Joe Szilagyi on May 4, 2010 at 10:59 AM · Report this
Not much on his Facebook put, but he does say that he plays the pipe organ..
Posted by Jonathan Abbey on May 4, 2010 at 11:05 AM · Report this
Geni 14
I keep telling myself, Schadenfreude is bad karma, Schadenfreude is bad karma, but still...


Fucking hypocrites.
Posted by Geni on May 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM · Report this
NARTH holding their 2010 convention this fall in Philadelpihia, city of Brotherly Love. Reserve your boys early, so you're not left holding the bag!

(And though I am sad for Mrs Reker and the little Rekers, my schadenfreud quota for May has been met!!!) Thanks, Dan!!
Posted by StageLefty on May 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM · Report this
Southern Gentleman 16
Baconcat@6: Not only did Loveschild defend NARTH, but described the criticism of NARTH as "[m]ore regurgitation and spin."

Yeah, and an escort service is the first place that always comes to mind when one is looking for help carrying luggage.
Posted by Southern Gentleman on May 4, 2010 at 11:06 AM · Report this
Matt from Denver 17
Whatever happened to ol' LC? Did SLOG finally block her?
Posted by Matt from Denver on May 4, 2010 at 11:07 AM · Report this
nseattlite 18
"Lord knows my partner and I tried."
... I already feel bad for DJ and his future girlfriends. Dan is going to both a voyeristic parent and totally squicked out by (I believe his words would be "revolted by") them. "Eeeew! You're putting THAT in THERE?! Make sure you clean up after."
Posted by nseattlite on May 4, 2010 at 11:08 AM · Report this
bigsigh 19
He's got a FB profile that lists "playing piano and pipe organ" and "international travel" as some of his likes and interests. Just sayin.
Posted by bigsigh on May 4, 2010 at 11:09 AM · Report this
Skeptika 20
This kind of revelation bothers me, because there's always a homophobic reading of it: "so gays are bad and hypocritical, like we've always said"

It obscures the fact that the party to blame here is the hetero-religious establishment, who puts these guys in the closet in the first place.
Posted by Skeptika on May 4, 2010 at 11:10 AM · Report this
Normal Adjacent 21
Usually I love the delicious schadenfreude of these things. Today, not so.
I'm just picturing how many kids were lied to and damaged by this guy and the fuckers he work with. Thousands upon thousands of scared, lost kids being told what they have been trying so desperately not to be is fixable and they are worse for not being able to. I wish there was a way for people to sue his ass for lying to them.
Posted by Normal Adjacent on May 4, 2010 at 11:11 AM · Report this
DowntownTaylor 22
Ahhhh! Schadenfreude!!!
Posted by DowntownTaylor on May 4, 2010 at 11:12 AM · Report this
bigsigh 23
He's got a FB profile that lists "playing piano and pipe organ" and "international travel" as some of his likes and interests. Just sayin.
Posted by bigsigh on May 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM · Report this
Andy_Squirrel 24
@6 hahahahha, awesome, thanks
Posted by Andy_Squirrel on May 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM · Report this
Dingo 25
Just as every gay-oppressing self-hating homo deserves to be annihilated and to never have sex again, so does every otherwise self-respecting homo who helps them perpetuate the damage they do. "Lucien" is protecting this douchebag by claiming they never had sex, so he deserves to take a hit where it hurts him too: his wallet. Now he's poison to every secretly homo/publicly homophobe douchebag, so there goes that part of his clientele. Every non-closeted client should dump him and his perfectly built cock as well.
Posted by Dingo on May 4, 2010 at 11:13 AM · Report this
Dan, the story I remember you telling in a YouTube video was that your son said to you that he wanted to be gay, but you already knew he wasn't and nothing would change that. The point being that children of gay couples are no more likely to be gay, because your son was obviously straight. What's the real story?
Posted by Bojac6 on May 4, 2010 at 11:16 AM · Report this
igub 27
Considering Mr. Savage has posted clips of Broadway musicals when they fit a topic he's discussing, I'm really surprised he didn't include a clip of Schadenfreude from Avenue Q.
Posted by igub on May 4, 2010 at 11:19 AM · Report this
sirkowski 28
George Alan Rekers aka Loveschild.
Posted by sirkowski on May 4, 2010 at 11:21 AM · Report this
Posted by Heather on May 4, 2010 at 11:26 AM · Report this
piminnowcheez 30
An "atavistic mustache?" The hell's an "atavistic mustache?"
Posted by piminnowcheez on May 4, 2010 at 11:28 AM · Report this
Now we need James Dobson's embarrassing rent boy story, just to complete the set. Where's that gay mole you all were talking about earlier?
Posted by mran on May 4, 2010 at 11:31 AM · Report this
Was 'snorkeling' involved on vacations?
Posted by on May 4, 2010 at 11:33 AM · Report this
hey baconcat, i havent seen loveschild in a while. maybe she's sick? i kinda miss her, a weird part of me enjoys poorly reasoned opposing arguments. and i was the one talking about the gay mole. Marshall! ( thats what I like to call this hero in my mind) he's definitely behind this...

tee hee. "behind".
Posted by sallybobally on May 4, 2010 at 11:37 AM · Report this
They're all going to use this to their benefit. Wait for the (sit and) spin: the couldn't help themselves so it must be a complulsion and not a natural, loving thing.

They'll use all their shame to demonstrate that the have no shame whatsoever.
Posted by on May 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM · Report this
...the parallel with "hiking the Appalachian trail" was the first thing on my mind as well, when I read about that hypocrite on Pharyngula!
Posted by somewhereingreece on May 4, 2010 at 11:52 AM · Report this
pamcash 36
Does the cover of that book look a little... gay?
Posted by pamcash on May 4, 2010 at 11:53 AM · Report this
Here is his blog I think:
Posted by mrjjwright on May 4, 2010 at 12:02 PM · Report this
Anne in MA 38
Oh, Dan, the story gets even better.

From Queerty: "The utter hypocrisy is astounding. And for all Rekers has to say about why gays shouldn't be allowed to adopt children, this man — who pays traveling prostitutes for sex — adopted a 16-year-old boy four years ago. He is now Lucien's age."
Posted by Anne in MA on May 4, 2010 at 12:02 PM · Report this
I was ***kidding*** about trying to make my son gay -- seriously, people.
Posted by Dan Savage on May 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM · Report this
I am sure he was just thinking "I need someone to escort me on this trip, clearly I can't handle my own baggage". Thus, an escort website seemed the natural place to look.

Of course, the rentboy description speaks to a number of other considerations. "Tight ass", well at least they should get along politically. "Wild and up for anything" screams European vacation. The perfectly built cock part should have tipped him off though....
Posted by bpinsea on May 4, 2010 at 12:08 PM · Report this
You can buy his fine research papers here as well:…
Posted by mrjjwright on May 4, 2010 at 12:09 PM · Report this
Packin' the old valise. Slammin' the Samsonite. Hoistin' the duffel. There are a lot of possibilities here, people.
Posted by truthspeaker on May 4, 2010 at 12:09 PM · Report this
"Lifting the Luggage". The penultimate act before the teabagging commences?
Posted by Tuckerch on May 4, 2010 at 12:10 PM · Report this
the fucking audacity.
Posted by LikeItIs on May 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM · Report this
The MNT points out that the whole I-need-him-to-carry-my-bags story seems to be undermined by how quickly Rekers was able to move through the airport transporting his own baggage.

By the way, check out the dude's 1970s hair and pornstache. Screw the self-hating gay business I wanna know why so many American male TheoCons have head and facial hair straight out of a Tom of Finland graphic!
Posted by Phoenix Woman on May 4, 2010 at 12:20 PM · Report this
john t 46

@36, Yes, it does look gay. Almost as gay as this:…

Posted by john t on May 4, 2010 at 12:24 PM · Report this
You Look Like I Need A Drink! 47
"Lifting the Luggage" = pu$$y... er, I mean Di@K whipped...
Posted by You Look Like I Need A Drink! on May 4, 2010 at 12:25 PM · Report this
Bub 48
Pics of "Lucien," please.
Posted by Bub on May 4, 2010 at 12:29 PM · Report this
Fnarf 49
This dipshit replied to my nasty Facebook message with a mile-long copy-and-paste about how he sat with Lucien and told him how to ask forgiveness, yadda yadda. I didn't -- couldn't -- read the whole thing, but I think the gist of it was God forgives you if you stick your finger in his ass when he comes.
Posted by Fnarf on May 4, 2010 at 12:35 PM · Report this
Fnarf 50
Here's his message:

George Alan Rekers May 4 at 12:01pm Report
Thank you for taking the time to write to me about the recent “news” story that is a mixture of truth and falsehood. The article truthfully stated that due to surgery I require assistance in lifting luggage when traveling, that I am a professor and I am also a Baptist minister, and it is true as the article states, “Rekers isn't gay himself.”
I have spent much time as a mental health professional and as a Christian minister helping and lovingly caring for people identifying themselves as “gay.” My hero is Jesus Christ who loves even the culturally despised people, including sexual sinners and prostitutes. Like Jesus Christ, I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them. Mark 2:16-17 reads, “16When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the "sinners" and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: "Why does he eat with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" 17On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." In fact, in a dialogue with hypocritical religious leaders, Jesus even stated to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. 32For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him. " (Matthew 21:31).
Like John the Baptist and Jesus, I have a loving Christian ministry to homosexuals and prostitutes in which I share the Good News of Jesus Christ with them (see I Corinthians 6:8-11). Contrary to false gossip, innuendo, and slander about me, I do not in any way “hate” homosexuals, but I seek to lovingly share two types of messages to them, as I did with the young man called “Lucien” in the news story: [1] It is possible to cease homosexual practices to avoid the unacceptable health risks associated with that behavior, and [2] the most important decision one can make is to establish a relationship with God for all eternity by trusting in Jesus Christ’s sacrifice on the cross for the forgiveness of your sins, including homosexual sins. If you talk with my travel assistant that the story called “Lucien,” you will find I spent a great deal of time sharing scientific information on the desirability of abandoning homosexual intercourse, and I shared the Gospel of Jesus Christ with him in great detail.
I would like to share with you a summary of what I shared with my travel assistant “Lucien” during our recent trip about receiving forgiveness of sins (including homosexual sins) and the free gift of eternal life from God (you can see more complete detail of the text of the booklet I read with him at…
Fact 1: God wants to have a direct personal relationship with us. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” –John 3:16. “…the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” –Romans 6:23b
Fact 2: Our wrongdoing separates us from God.“…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God….” –Romans 3:23. “For the wages of sin is death….” –Romans 6:23a. If we are still separated from God on the day we die, we will stay separated from Him forever in eternal suffering. The Bible calls this “hell.”
Fact 3: Jesus Christ provides the only way we can have a personal relationship with God.The Bible says, “For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.” –1 Peter 3:18a. Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” –John 14:6. Referring to Jesus, the Bible says, “Yet to all who receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God….” –John 1:12
Fact 4: To receive Jesus Christ we must turn to Him, place our faith in Him, and let Him take charge of our life. “Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out….” –Acts 3:19a. “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast.” –Ephesians 2:8-9. “… if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.” –Romans 10:9-10
If you are willing to accept God’s gift of eternal life, the next step is to tell Him that you repent of your sins, that you are putting your trust in Jesus’ sacrifice for your sin, and that you want Jesus to take charge of your life. If this is the decision you want to make, here is a prayer that you can use to talk to God:
Dear God,
I admit that I have gone my own way and have sinned against You. I realize this sin separates me from You. But I am willing now to stop going my own way and turn to follow You. Please forgive me. I am placing all my trust in what Jesus Christ did for me when He died on the cross to pay the penalty for my sin. Thank you for raising Jesus back to life again. I invite Jesus to be in charge of my life from now on. Amen.
My sincere and loving hope for you is that you will repent of your sins and turn to Jesus Christ for forgiveness and eternal life in heaven!
Thank you, again for writing to me.
Posted by Fnarf on May 4, 2010 at 12:37 PM · Report this
Fnarf 51
Ah, I see it's already up elsewhere. Sorry to have troubled you.
Posted by Fnarf on May 4, 2010 at 12:39 PM · Report this
Well, now I'm REALLY confused by the whole religious right opposition to gay people raising kids. It turns out most of THEIR kids are being raised by gay people, or at least gay men. If we want to make sure no kids are adopted by teh gheys, shouldn't we prohibit fundamentalists from adopting just to be on the safe side?
Posted by Beguine on May 4, 2010 at 12:41 PM · Report this
kim in portland 53
I can't take any joy in this. It makes me sad. Sad for all the people he has hurt... the kids who weren't accepted for who they were... the parents who believed the crock and damaged their kids... his family...his friends... and yes, him too.

Hopefully, this brings light to darkness, healing, and is another nail in the coffin of "research that sexual orientation can me changed". I do hope he finds the freedom to become a person of integrity, instead of a haunted soul filled with darkness. But, I fear that he will only crawl back into the dark and not take the role of honor, integrity and responsibility. It takes courage to be out and to accept oneself.
Posted by kim in portland on May 4, 2010 at 12:43 PM · Report this
Fnarf 54
@53, you're a lot more forgiving than I am, Kim. I want this bastard to rot in his own juices for what he's done.
Posted by Fnarf on May 4, 2010 at 12:46 PM · Report this
Jaydog5280 55
@49/50: So let me see if I got this right...Rekers cruises Rentboy to find a gay prostitute, hires him, and then takes him on a 10-day all-expenses-paid European vacation for the sole purpose of helping them exit the gay "lifestyle". Hmmmm... Where do I sign up for that?
Posted by Jaydog5280 on May 4, 2010 at 12:47 PM · Report this
I hire escorts to do all kinds of services like carpentry and house cleaning. Thanks Stranger ads! However, that sort of backfired when I hired a pro-domme to mow my lawn. I spent the next three hours mowing my lawn with my teeth.
Posted by Reg on May 4, 2010 at 12:52 PM · Report this
elenchos 57
Yesterday, I was changing my son's diaper and teaching him to say "A new diaper is like a new day." Because I think it's important to encourage children to use literary metaphor in everyday life -- he's pretty good at saying carpe diem now. But he kept saying "NEW DIAPER NEW DAY. PENIS." I said, "No. Can you say, A new diaper is like new day?" and he just replied "NEW DIAPER! NEW DAY! PENIS!" over and over. He seemed so pleased with himself.

What am I doing wrong? Am I shaping my child's sexual identity?

The word "bum" is coming up more and more often when I change him too. What does it mean?
Posted by elenchos on May 4, 2010 at 1:07 PM · Report this
Baconcat 58
@38: Oh hells no.
Posted by Baconcat on May 4, 2010 at 1:09 PM · Report this
kim in portland 59

I do want healing for him, but for him to find healing he must sit and "rot in his own juices". He will have to face and allow the entire weight of his choices and actions to sit upon himself. I don't think you can brush that kind of stewing quickly under a rug, nor can you say a quick forgive me prayer either. You have to really look at it and feel it. You have to try and make amends for yourself. To use a common Christian phrase "die to himself" in order to take responsibility and find integrity. Too few people have that kind of courage. Most of us just want to justify ourself and blame others.

FYI, I don't believe in a "get out of jail for free card", but he presents himself as one who may believe in that and that is why I don't know if he has the courage.
Posted by kim in portland on May 4, 2010 at 1:15 PM · Report this
I think it's because it's bummer to have to change him.
Posted by The Frito Pundito on May 4, 2010 at 1:16 PM · Report this
Rhett Oracle 61
My hero is Jesus Christ who loves even the culturally despised people, including sexual sinners and prostitutes. Like Jesus Christ, I deliberately spend time with sinners with the loving goal to try to help them.

What labor is more difficult? Lifting heavy luggage or suspending belief (rhet. ?). He says he helps BOTH sexual sinners AND prostitutes - is there a difference of which I'm unaware? I can take being 'despised' but being 'culturally despised' - now that's a little harsh.
Posted by Rhett Oracle on May 4, 2010 at 1:30 PM · Report this
He probably figured that in Europe, like college, sleeping with a dude doesn't mean your gay.
Posted by Dyspathy on May 4, 2010 at 1:37 PM · Report this
@56: You rule.
Posted by Gloria on May 4, 2010 at 1:42 PM · Report this
The more guys having sex with RentBoy stock, the fewer RentBoys Reker has to choose from.
Posted by kravitz on May 4, 2010 at 1:59 PM · Report this
"Does the cover of that book look a" - pamcash

Yes, Pam. It rivals Sophia Petrillo's ('Golden Girls') description of Blanche's brother as 'gay as a picnic basket'.

But if the haircuts were different, I would have thought it the cover of a 1996 book on survivalist living for lesbians.

Which would be even gayer and more amusing...

Cameron ('Modern Family'): Ok, now you've done it.
Mitch: What?
Cameron: You've made figure skating even gayer than it already is.
Posted by tellybelly on May 4, 2010 at 2:16 PM · Report this
Normal Adjacent 66
I love the things that you write. Especially when you are shutting down Loveschild without losing your cool.
I don't have the faith that you do, but I completely respect that you have tested well the personal tenants of your faith. How can you stand to have James Dobson, Pope Razzi and the like representing your religion to the world? You are incredibly eloquent about faith and the role of organized religion in the lives of it's members and the rest of us. How are you not out there trying to get people to see that there are sane, rational Christians like yourself? Does it pain you that the extremists are running the show?
(Sorry if this is threadjacking.)
Posted by Normal Adjacent on May 4, 2010 at 2:18 PM · Report this
Sane, rational Christians also include Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Bishop Gene Robinson--leaders to be proud of. And a lot of straight allies fighting for our rights along side us.

The extremists aren't running the show. They are just yelling loudest as their worldview revolves inexorably into the night.

As the saying goes, re. the Christian Right, it's time to meet the right Christians.

(Oblg discl, not a Christian, but married to one!)

Posted by I T on May 4, 2010 at 3:05 PM · Report this
Chris in Vancouver WA 68
C'mon people, get with the program, Dan wants to memorialize this with a new name for a sex act. You should all know the routine by now.

Here's my suggestion: "lift my luggage" = "play with my balls"
Posted by Chris in Vancouver WA on May 4, 2010 at 4:04 PM · Report this
Chris in Vancouver WA 69
BTW, that guy would have looked perfect on Castro St. 35 years ago.
Posted by Chris in Vancouver WA on May 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM · Report this
Womyn2me 70
What a juicy rationalization.... I swear, their stories get weirder and weirder...

Between the Pope hiding pedophiles and the average fundamentalist Christianist self-loathing queen with a Rent-Bag-Boy, I wonder that anyone goes to church anymore.,.,, shouldn't real Christians be turning up the heat on these people?

Posted by Womyn2me http://http:\\ on May 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM · Report this
@ Reg #56: LOL. That made my day.
Posted by truthspeaker on May 4, 2010 at 4:11 PM · Report this
tupa 72
#56 ftw

#68 perfect, gets my vote!
Posted by tupa on May 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM · Report this
kim in portland 73
Normal Adjacent,

That is a fair question. I'm not sure how to answer you. I don't like to talk about myself. I don't want anyone to think I'm searching for any kind of acknowledgement or am chuffed with regard to myself. Please, understand that this is unusual for me and difficult. Know that I don't sit quietly by. Nor am I a member of a community that sits quietly by. Fellow members of my denomination have no problem speaking up, speaking out and even being arrested. I do my share, or am trying to do my share, of tangling and getting in the faces of individuals and congregations within my greater community that I disagree with. I'm afraid that is all I can say, short of giving you a list of my activities and individuals (many who have not appreciated my forthrightness ) I engage with. So, just as you find me here on SLOG, I can be found out there as well.

While I cringe at the behavior of some who call themselves Christians and I fully understand the legitimate criticism I receive with regard to their behavior, I don't feel that they hijack me or the source of my inspiration. I think it is easy to lump Christians into a single belief system, but that really isn't the case. Just as there are the more widely recognized denominational differences, and political differences of conservative versus liberal, there is another distinction. I've tried explaining it before on SLOG, but Christians can fall under two types, and for lack of a better term I'll call them Type A & Type B. The differences between Type A and Type B are significant, they almost produce two different religions and sometimes a lot of suspicion/hostility can exist between the two. Neither Type A or Type B are traditional, they have only been around in North America for about 100 years or so.

Type A
Believe the Bible to be a divine product with divine authority. Thus it is to be interpreted literally and factually. The Bible serves as a divine revelation of doctrine and morals for Type As. Christian life for a Type A emphasizes an afterlife and what to believe or do to be saved. I think we can safely say that the Pope, James Dobson, Pat Robertson would be examples of Type As.

Type B
Believe that the Bible originated as a human response to God and therefore is interpreted historically and metaphorically. The Bible serves both a metaphorical and sacramental function. Christian life emphasis for Type Bs is about personal, social and political transformation in this life through a ever deepening relationship with God. It is very personal and not prone to demanded compliance. I would hazard a guess that Marcus Borg, Dominic Crossan, Bishop Gene Robinson would be examples of Type Bs. Archbishop Desmond Tutu often comes across as a Type B, but I could be wrong.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that, I am a small fish but not a quiet one. My life is my only testimony. To a devout Type A individual I'm often accused of being a liar, a closet atheist, builder of my own private religion/golden calf so I can be adored, and here I've read myself being called the "Saint of Slog" who is leading you all to the fires of hell. To those individuals I am neither sane or rational, because I do not believe what they believe. Yelling back at them only serves to misalign my focus to what is truly important - political justice, economic justice, equality. And, having just laid to rest two of my immediate family members and having to face a personal health issues, I have decided that I'm not going to waste my time on screaming matches. I'm going to use my time now to make this world a more compassionate and peaceful place. My splash might not be loud or large, but I'm doing my best to make waves.

I sincerely regret if you feel let down in any way. And, I hope understanding a little bit about "Type A & Type B" Christians helps you to understand the differing styles and approaches between the two.
Posted by kim in portland on May 4, 2010 at 5:06 PM · Report this
Violet_DaGrinder 74

Right? I'm only half-gay, so I figure I'm not worth taking all the way to Europe, but I'll totally settle for a little luggage-lifting in Hawaii.
Posted by Violet_DaGrinder on May 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM · Report this
Kim, we call you a Saint because you remind us that not all folks who call themselves 'Christians' are asshole hypocrites like this guy. It restores my faith in humanity to know that people like you - unflailingly kind, good, decent and understanding of humanity's weaknesses - exist.
Posted by Schweighsr on May 4, 2010 at 5:39 PM · Report this
this guy I know in Spokane 76
Kim rocks.
Posted by this guy I know in Spokane on May 4, 2010 at 6:16 PM · Report this
I've heard of "package checking", but "lifting his luggage" is so new and shiny... YAY!
Posted by cropduster on May 4, 2010 at 6:34 PM · Report this

You mean there are sites on the Internet where you can use your credit card to hire nice-looking young guys to lift your luggage?


Man, have I been looking for luggage-lifting in all the wrong places!
Posted by Glen Tomkins on May 4, 2010 at 7:00 PM · Report this
The Max 79
To answer Dan's question as the title of this post: No. Not EVERY right-wing, anti-gay, Christianist bigot is a secret, self-hating cocksucker.

Just like not every collared cassock-wearing host-dispensing sex-is-work-for-procreation only spouting so-called celibate is a secret child molester.

But it happens frequently enough that it's just cause for suspicion.
Posted by The Max on May 4, 2010 at 7:26 PM · Report this
These right-wing hypocrites keep prostitution websites and airport bathroom glory holes in business. Meanwhile, law-abiding and tax-paying gay Americans can't get married or adopt a child???
Posted by Emil Sarcasian on May 4, 2010 at 7:56 PM · Report this
ShayHawk 81
Things like this are little kisses from the sweet frosted baby Jesus.
Posted by ShayHawk on May 4, 2010 at 8:32 PM · Report this
At least he wasn't doing something disgusting, like hiking the Appalachian trail.
Posted by croatoan on May 4, 2010 at 9:04 PM · Report this
@14 - This isn't Schadenfreude; that's when you take joy in someone else's suffering and they don't deserve it. This outing, on the other hand, is exactly what a hypocritical bigot deserves. It's justice.
Posted by laurelgardner on May 4, 2010 at 9:09 PM · Report this
@66 - This question is starting to get asked a lot around Slog (Dan has been putting it out there a lot). Yeah, it would seem that there should be a lot more of the good Christians taking the batshit crazy ones to task somewhere other than on the internet. The implication seems to be that this calling out should take the form of *physical* numbers, protesters and the like.

But in my experience, here's the thing: these two groups are largely not found in the same geographic areas.

Having lived in a few different areas of the country in my life and having attended services at many, many Christian churches (I'm a professional trombone player so church services are a big part of my bread and butter, even if I no longer truly consider myself a Christian), I have found that region, rather than denomination, is the big indicator of a church's morals and behaviors. There are exceptions, of course, but for the most part, I've seen that churches of different denominations in a given area conform to the political milieu of their community.

Growing up as a regular churchgoer in Minnesota, I never *once* heard a sermon preached against homosexuality, abortion, or the separation of church and state (quite the contrary, I heard very sensible opinions on these topics and knew several Lutheran pastors who would perform same-sex marriages). The very first church service I attended in Colorado, the pastor condemned all three in the same sentence, while condemning everyone in the room for not fighting hard enough against them in society. I soon learned to stay away from church services in CO, no matter what the pay was.
Posted by laurelgardner on May 4, 2010 at 9:24 PM · Report this
Normal Adjacent 85
Kim, Please don't take anything I said as annoyance at you for how you conduct your life/represent your faith. I can't imagine you wouldn't say the same things in real life that you say on slog when you come up against christian-centric stupidity. I don't think it is your personal responsibility to change the face of Christianity and I do think that you are changing things where you can. I'm just frustrated (as I'm sure you are) that the smart, rational, forward-thinking Christians like you and your congregation can't overtake the dogma, hate and backwardness that is now the public face of christian leadership. Keep up the good work and I'll try to not lump all Christians together under my Razzi loathing.
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All that being said, If you do decide to blog/op-ed/write a column, I'd love to read it.
Posted by Normal Adjacent on May 4, 2010 at 10:08 PM · Report this
Stuffing the duffel!

(Wait, ... am I too late?)
Posted by DF on May 4, 2010 at 10:28 PM · Report this
@85 - The other thing I've noticed about good Christians is that they tend to be much more private about their faith and prefer faith to be a private and personal matter. Going out and creating a fuss in opposition to the nutcases isn't something these types feel very at home with, just as individuals. You're a lot more likely to see them fighting the good fight as members of *secular* circles and organizational efforts because they don't want to recreate the mistake of saying, "I speak for God on this and represent the face of Christianity."
Posted by laurelgardner on May 4, 2010 at 11:06 PM · Report this
Mrs. Norris 88
I was going to make a sarcastic comment like "That hard working man was probably doing research on the evil homosexual lifestyle." Turns out he actually actually thinks someone would buy his equally lame excuse (thanks, Fnarf!)

Just like a religious fanatic parent at the school where I work who tries to get to lesbian websites to "test" our internet censorship program...
Posted by Mrs. Norris on May 5, 2010 at 12:35 AM · Report this
If the rentboy was bi, they could have bonded over how much they love boobies and having sex with women.
Posted by James Hutchings on May 5, 2010 at 5:55 AM · Report this
kim in portland 90
@ 85,

Normal Adjacent, no worries. I share your frustration. I wish I had more to offer than a listening ear. Laurelgardner is correct in saying that individuals like me are often found involved with 'secular' groups and we don't want to claim that we speak for God, which is why we can appear quieter at times.

Anyway, here's an open letter from Bishop Gene Robinson to the Pope from WaPo for you:…

Take care.
Posted by kim in portland on May 5, 2010 at 8:32 AM · Report this
are self-hating gay evangelists more or less common than pedophile priests?
Posted by Strangey N. Strangier on May 5, 2010 at 8:41 PM · Report this
does anyone want to invest in my Idea of fundie undies that has a pic of a fundies such as pat robertson with his mouth placed at the penis hole
Posted by on May 6, 2010 at 5:45 AM · Report this
Has. To. Be. Bag Handler!
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