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Homo / News Best Summary of Prom Controversy
Posted by Dan Savage on Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:01 AM
Here’s the news, from a source I view as extremely reliable. The prom the school district promised at the country club in Fulton was a ruse. Only seven kids, Constance, and her date showed, and at the same time, everyone else held a “real” prom at a secret location out in the county.This is all after the school district had represented to Judge Davidson that Constance was invited to a parent-sponsored prom to be held at Tupelo Furniture Market. The school represented that Constance was invited in court filings, testimony, and representations by the school district and its lawyers. In reality, Constance had not been invited, but, based on the representations by the district and its counsel, Judge Davidson denied Constance’s request for a preliminary injunction that she could go to the prom.
The school reneged, or possibly didn’t ever intend to follow through on its representations to the court. The parents didn’t want Constance at the prom and didn’t want to be sued (as they told the Clarion Ledger), and so on Tuesday announced the cancellation of the prom.
But what they’d done was secretly relocated it.
Shortly thereafter, the school’s attorney announced (on Wednesday) that “the prom” was to be held at the Fulton Country Club on Friday. But yet only seven kids showed up.
Meanwhile, there’s a rumor that school officials were directly involved in setting up the “fake” prom.
More here. Photos from the "real" prom at Fire Dog Lake—which has dubbed Fulton "the meanest town in America." Someone—an asshole classmate perhaps? or what passes for a parent in Fulton?—started a Facebook page called "Constance Quit Yer Crying," only to have it backfire on 'em pretty spectacularly. And some of Constance's classmates jumped into the comments thread on this post at FDL to defend themselves—only to have their asses handed to them. (Thanks to Slog tipper Lynda.)
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Over on JoeMyGod's insanely long Constance thread, they had at least one student and one parent jump into the comments as well.
Needless to say they didn't last very long.
Needless to say they didn't last very long.
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You know, I grew up on the Gulf Coast, and this whole episode is so reminiscent of the civil rights era that I can only shake my head. The whole mean-spirited, just-those-Nawthun-lihbruls-makin-trouble, we-don't-like-your-kind playbook. Mississippi has learned NOTHING in forty years.
What's funny is that 40 years ago it was TV coverage that shone the light of day on the toads who were brutalizing the marchers. Now it's the internet allowing us to see this played out. God, I love technology.
What's funny is that 40 years ago it was TV coverage that shone the light of day on the toads who were brutalizing the marchers. Now it's the internet allowing us to see this played out. God, I love technology.
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@2 - Its a good thing too, because the televised media hasn't been paying attention to any of this.
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I love how the students who responded over there basically confirm everything we've been saying:
softballgirl10 wrote: "i don’t understand the disabled kids stuff, we don’t even talk to them, so stop judging. they could have come to our prom if they wanted to."
softballgirl10 wrote: "just because something is legal doesn’t make it right. like i said she won anyway she got her prom."
Apparently softballgirl10 is “Megan Johnson,” and she and her friends made shirts that said things like, “I’m straight, so sue me,” and, “No prom, thanks Constance,” and wore them to school.
begleg10 aka Lindsey Begley wrote: "The party we had in Evergreen . . . is 30 mins away from the school. we rented out the community center, hired vendors, decorated, and our parents ran the security/chaperone staff- but it wasn’t prom. Prom was at the country club where constance and 7 other students were."
begleg10 aka Lindsey Begley wrote: "What people are failing to realize is that much of the fault of this whole stink lies with Constance . . . We let her have her prom with her girlfriend and her tuxedo and we went to party it up in the “boondocks” not because we wanted her rights violated, but so we could salvage what has turned into a total fiasco."
begleg10 aka Lindsey Begley wrote: "I’m sure it sounds like we faked her out, but understand this- the decision NOT to attend prom had nothing to do with the school or with Constance’s sexual preferences; it had everything to do with proving we weren’t going to let her and the ACLU steamroll us into doing what Constance wanted. We flexed the muscle of the majority and we’ll suffer the consequences."
softballgirl10 wrote: "i don’t understand the disabled kids stuff, we don’t even talk to them, so stop judging. they could have come to our prom if they wanted to."
softballgirl10 wrote: "just because something is legal doesn’t make it right. like i said she won anyway she got her prom."
Apparently softballgirl10 is “Megan Johnson,” and she and her friends made shirts that said things like, “I’m straight, so sue me,” and, “No prom, thanks Constance,” and wore them to school.
begleg10 aka Lindsey Begley wrote: "The party we had in Evergreen . . . is 30 mins away from the school. we rented out the community center, hired vendors, decorated, and our parents ran the security/chaperone staff- but it wasn’t prom. Prom was at the country club where constance and 7 other students were."
begleg10 aka Lindsey Begley wrote: "What people are failing to realize is that much of the fault of this whole stink lies with Constance . . . We let her have her prom with her girlfriend and her tuxedo and we went to party it up in the “boondocks” not because we wanted her rights violated, but so we could salvage what has turned into a total fiasco."
begleg10 aka Lindsey Begley wrote: "I’m sure it sounds like we faked her out, but understand this- the decision NOT to attend prom had nothing to do with the school or with Constance’s sexual preferences; it had everything to do with proving we weren’t going to let her and the ACLU steamroll us into doing what Constance wanted. We flexed the muscle of the majority and we’ll suffer the consequences."
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"Understand this- the decision NOT to attend prom had nothing to do with the school or with Constance’s sexual preferences; it had everything to do with proving we weren’t going to let her and the ACLU steamroll us..."
Constance was poorly served by the ACLU
Constance was poorly served by the ACLU
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"not because we wanted her rights violated, but so we could salvage what has turned into a total fiasco."
What?
Isn't it every high school kids dream to have their prom turned into a DISTRACTION?!
What?
Isn't it every high school kids dream to have their prom turned into a DISTRACTION?!
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Wow 6, you're so kind to prove my point @2 above. This whole "We don't have any problems here, it's you outside agitators" response is lifted right from George Wallace's talking points. I know because I was there.
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Dan perhaps doesn't understand,
or more likely doesn't care,
that the standard response
to being called an Asshole is Fuck You.
Fuck You and
Fuck your ACLU Lawyer and
Fuck your ACLU Mandated Prom.
Constance only had one request of Dan.
She didn't ask for $30,000.
She didn't ask for half a million "friends".
She asked Dan to be respectful.
It wasn't a lot to ask.
But it was too much.
Constance has more class and maturity
than Dan and the
half million Hate Machine "friends"
will ever have.
Constance deserves better "friends"....
or more likely doesn't care,
that the standard response
to being called an Asshole is Fuck You.
Fuck You and
Fuck your ACLU Lawyer and
Fuck your ACLU Mandated Prom.
Constance only had one request of Dan.
She didn't ask for $30,000.
She didn't ask for half a million "friends".
She asked Dan to be respectful.
It wasn't a lot to ask.
But it was too much.
Constance has more class and maturity
than Dan and the
half million Hate Machine "friends"
will ever have.
Constance deserves better "friends"....
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I'm kind of curious about the seven kids who went to prom with Constance. Were they not told about the other one, or did they go to the "real" one to stand up for her? Either way, if anyone wants to start a scholarship fund for those kids, I'd donate.
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@9: Wow, ragey much, Alleged?
To borrow from Yahtzee Croshaw: Clearly God must have created your brain on opposite day.
Source: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/v…
To borrow from Yahtzee Croshaw: Clearly God must have created your brain on opposite day.
Source: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/v…
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Remember when Kurt Cobain said: If any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us - leave us the fuck alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records! (Kurt would be rooting for Constance!!!) RIP Kurt!
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The bigoted parents who participated in this fiasco should be put in the spotlight - they're the ones who taught their kids to be just like them. They should be called on their assholery.
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I am kind of stunned by the reification of "My-Senior-Year." What is this about? I don't remember anything like that going on back in 1713 when I graduated from Sammamish HS. Is senior year the high point of these kids' lives? Is this it for them? Nothing interesting or cool in the future? Jesus, creepy-o-rama.
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I'm w/14. The grown-ups engineered it, and should be taking the heat. Stupid young people are lamentable, but not news.
The kids are getting the brunt of it, though. Sometimes that's what it takes to make an evolutionary leap.
The kids are getting the brunt of it, though. Sometimes that's what it takes to make an evolutionary leap.
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@ 13, your Cobain shoutout reminded me of John Cameron Mitchell's in the movie before his song about the "pious, hateful and devout", so, a little thread music:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlW6FBEuK…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlW6FBEuK…
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Most telling thing contained within the bounds of this post: None of the photos of the kids at the Backfire Camp real-fake Prom showed faces.
That's the message of the day.
Try to oppress our brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, and YOU'RE the ones who get to hide.
You're one of THEM, meaning the boys in the white sheets. And just like Them, while you have a right to whatever fucked-up opinion you want, expressing it in public means you must hide your face. Either before or after.
That's the message of the day.
Try to oppress our brothers and sisters, friends and neighbors, and YOU'RE the ones who get to hide.
You're one of THEM, meaning the boys in the white sheets. And just like Them, while you have a right to whatever fucked-up opinion you want, expressing it in public means you must hide your face. Either before or after.
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@5--Lindsey sure sounds like the kind of girl who, for one reason or another, will wind up restrained in a baroque stress position in a dungeon somewhere, munching on an endless train of beaver while some dude in an executioner's hood croons, 'make her cum slave. Make her cum in two minutes and you get to cum too. Otherwise it's another jolt from the cattle prod.'
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@xina
Cobain was a halfway decent musician, and a drug addict piece of shit and nothing more.
What are you, like, 15? And a pathetic 15 at that, worshiping a dead man who was a dead beat.
Cobain was a halfway decent musician, and a drug addict piece of shit and nothing more.
What are you, like, 15? And a pathetic 15 at that, worshiping a dead man who was a dead beat.
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This is why the Deep South is such a shithole, culturally, politically and economically- they drive people out instead of drawing people in. Why do you think business, art, and learning gravitate to the big city? Because those are the places where creative, interesting, and productive people can be themselves and achieve their potential. The socially toxic environment created by these intolerant hicks is stifling to all the things that human beings thrive on.
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I love how none of the students and parents who post realized that now, they're at the top of the deposition list.
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Did they really think that their private prom would be kept a secret?
It's just going to result in even more distraction.
They really ought to just quit now and admit that they're assholes before they get too far into this.
It's just going to result in even more distraction.
They really ought to just quit now and admit that they're assholes before they get too far into this.
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I was wondering who the other 7 kids who attended the "loser" prom were. Of course they were the mentally disabled kids.
I agree with 14, the cruelty of kids is to be expected, but for an entire community of adults to hatch an elaborate plan to be cruel to one teenage girl--such a thing happens only in '80s movies.
I agree with 14, the cruelty of kids is to be expected, but for an entire community of adults to hatch an elaborate plan to be cruel to one teenage girl--such a thing happens only in '80s movies.
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@ 27 - You've posted the magic word: MOVIE!
I gotta believe there's gonna be a movie about this fiasco someday, maybe called 'Distraction in Mississippi' or something.. A big juicy movie that exposes all these bigoted assholes to the cleansing light of day...
I gotta believe there's gonna be a movie about this fiasco someday, maybe called 'Distraction in Mississippi' or something.. A big juicy movie that exposes all these bigoted assholes to the cleansing light of day...
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On the Let Constance Take Her Girlfriend to Prom FB site, there's a commenter named Cristi Roe who is pushing back in the comments. Sample post: Constance---I told you--- I said you would pay ! Now you have to go to School with hundreds of students staring, laughing or ignoring--- and they all hate you! Even the Teachers hate you. You got what you deserve!
nice.
nice.
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I saw some other prom pictures yesterday, and I have to say those are some of the ugliest prom dresses I've ever seen in my life.
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@28: I've been thinking the same thing. Too bad John Hughes is no longer around, Constance's story would be a natural for him in his heyday.
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I think the best part of FDL comments is that one of the posters pointed out that Lindsey (the bigot from the school) had specifically posted on facebook about the PROM; not the "just another party."
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I love how they're all focusing on what a bad person Constance is. Don't they get that IT DOESN'T MATTER what kind of person she is--she could be the hugest bitch in the whole world, and she's still entitled to her rights as a citizen. I've never met Constance--I don't know what she's like. It's possible she is a shit disturber (and if I lived in that town, I'd try to disturb some shit, too). But that doesn't matter.
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Our Constance now has more friends than all the rest of her classmates put together will ever have in their entire misbegotten Mississippi lives. Mean people suck.
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She couldn't bring her girlfriend, but they let that dude wear the shiny pink vest that matched his girlfriend's dress? I really wanted her to win this one on principle, but damnit all she should've taken that guy's offer in New Orleans to throw her a real party.
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I would love for some of this prejudice to be revisited on the Class of '10. I can't wait for them to get out of Fulton and start getting recognized as the hateful bigots they are. If any SLOG readers work for a college admissions office, take a long look at any application from an Iwatamba 2010 graduate and find a way to axe them for their anti-diversity or anti-civil rights stances.
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In bouncing around the Facebook friends lists of people who identify with having gone to that school, I came across the FB account of the charmingly named "Danny Raper" who "is so happy!" right now (and it looks like his prom date is now his girlfriend.)
He posted this to his wall, "Danny Raper is wonderin why fulton high school has to compromise...if its such a big deal then why dont the ACLU throw their own prom?"
I was thinking about writing a long reply about discrimination and "compromise" and how badly this school has let these kids down...when I saw in HIS friends list that he has either a sister or a cousin named Chastity Raper.
Her name is Chastity Raper.
And the ludicrousness of life wins out over all.
Graduate, Constance...then leave...and never look back.
Not because they've earned the right to live their lives without you...but because they deserve nothing more than what they've got, and you deserve all that the world has to offer...
He posted this to his wall, "Danny Raper is wonderin why fulton high school has to compromise...if its such a big deal then why dont the ACLU throw their own prom?"
I was thinking about writing a long reply about discrimination and "compromise" and how badly this school has let these kids down...when I saw in HIS friends list that he has either a sister or a cousin named Chastity Raper.
Her name is Chastity Raper.
And the ludicrousness of life wins out over all.
Graduate, Constance...then leave...and never look back.
Not because they've earned the right to live their lives without you...but because they deserve nothing more than what they've got, and you deserve all that the world has to offer...
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For what its worth, I noticed that on one of the published facebook pages full of hate (you can see them at Lafiga), one parent at least stood up for common sense, asking "why not just give her a ticket" to the private prom, and noting that the prom was only four hours, the kids spent more time than that in school with Constance everyday, and "why give her more reasons to fight?"
It seems no one paid attention to that parent, sadly for everyone concerned. If they had done so and prom had went off without a hitch, Constance would not have needed to continue the court action, particularly if the school board agreed to abide by the law in the future.
It seems no one paid attention to that parent, sadly for everyone concerned. If they had done so and prom had went off without a hitch, Constance would not have needed to continue the court action, particularly if the school board agreed to abide by the law in the future.
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I hope those kids like seeing their facebook pages projected on screens inside a courtroom. These kids grew up with the internet. Did they think they could keep this a secret?
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@33
I noticed that they were especially critical of the fact that she insisted on her basic rights as a student: one of her classmates called it a "crazy-reckless need for attention". So it can be assumed that a person in Fulton who was concerned about their right to personal safety might be considered only borderline narcissistic. Miss Lindsey Begley's diagnostic criteria might suffer a blow if she ever ventured out of her playpen into the real world, I'm guessing.
I noticed that they were especially critical of the fact that she insisted on her basic rights as a student: one of her classmates called it a "crazy-reckless need for attention". So it can be assumed that a person in Fulton who was concerned about their right to personal safety might be considered only borderline narcissistic. Miss Lindsey Begley's diagnostic criteria might suffer a blow if she ever ventured out of her playpen into the real world, I'm guessing.
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I'm the same age as these kids. I understand that by not being bigoted assholes, that all of the "distractions" that they didn't want would have gone away. This isn't any complex logic here.
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Dammit... every time I skim-read the word "prom," my brain registers it as "porn." At first, I was thinking "what porn controversy?"
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The "she's attention-crazed" argument is so lame. It's like calling Rosa Parks "uppity". If you're being oppressed, you only have two choices -- call attention to it in hopes of changing it for others, or back down and let it go away. The easier choice is the second. No one craves the kind of attention Constance is getting from her classmates; it's the unfortunate biprodic of being couragous in a bigoted place.
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@37:
You're assuming of course that any of these kids besides Constance will even be going on to college.
My guess is that, as of right now, roughly 10% of the girls who went to the "private party" are already experiencing the first twinges of morning sickness, and about 50% of the boys are glumly filling out applications for non-existent jobs at the local tool-and-die factory.
Most of these kids, in fact I would venture to guess nearly all of them, are going to stay right where they are - in the middle of fucking nowhere Mississippi - for the remainder of their sad little lives, sucking pork rinds and swilling Budweiser until they eventually die of some form of cancer or diabetes-related malady. But, they'll always have the "Victory of 2010" to remember, which they'll cling to like a cherished heirloom, simply because it will represent the only time they ever came even remotely close to anything resembling fame.
Meanwhile, Constance will move away and graduate summa cum laude with a degree in Political Science. She'll marry a nice girl who works as a PD in the Cook County City Attorney's Office, settle down in Joliet, and eventually be appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services.
And every time her former classmates see her on their 90" 3-D flatscreens propped against one wall of their single-wides, their souls will blacken and curdle just a tiny bit more...
You're assuming of course that any of these kids besides Constance will even be going on to college.
My guess is that, as of right now, roughly 10% of the girls who went to the "private party" are already experiencing the first twinges of morning sickness, and about 50% of the boys are glumly filling out applications for non-existent jobs at the local tool-and-die factory.
Most of these kids, in fact I would venture to guess nearly all of them, are going to stay right where they are - in the middle of fucking nowhere Mississippi - for the remainder of their sad little lives, sucking pork rinds and swilling Budweiser until they eventually die of some form of cancer or diabetes-related malady. But, they'll always have the "Victory of 2010" to remember, which they'll cling to like a cherished heirloom, simply because it will represent the only time they ever came even remotely close to anything resembling fame.
Meanwhile, Constance will move away and graduate summa cum laude with a degree in Political Science. She'll marry a nice girl who works as a PD in the Cook County City Attorney's Office, settle down in Joliet, and eventually be appointed Secretary of Health and Human Services.
And every time her former classmates see her on their 90" 3-D flatscreens propped against one wall of their single-wides, their souls will blacken and curdle just a tiny bit more...
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Here's a little irony for you. The girl who started the hate page is a fan of a bisexual musician (Lady-GaGa). http://www.facebook.com/genniemarie?ref=…
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I agree with Peace 2 You. What the Hell are these so-called adults thinking? No wonder the HS kids are such assholes. There's definitely a genetic connection there.
Constance, I hope you get out of that crappy town ASAP and never look back. Peace, Love and Happiness to you and yours.
Constance, I hope you get out of that crappy town ASAP and never look back. Peace, Love and Happiness to you and yours.
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Now you lissen rite hear COMTE, dont ya be makin fun of mah 3ird grad edumacation. I only faled twace and I prettie muuch now mah abcs by hart.
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@46:
I was writing letters about these actions preventing these kids from getting into college until I checked, and you are right--they are not really "higher education" material. One of the meaner of the mean girls had her Facebook page public longer than all of the others. She is "in a relationship" with a boy who graduated earlier and is at the local community college, which seems to be the best any of these kids can hope for.
They are clearly uneducated now, and seem to have no hope or plans to gain any true education in the future. So I imagine they'll just become their myopic parents, claim the Christian high ground while acting so very ant-Christian, and when they come of age, vote Teabagger.
Should I continue to despise them for being despicable, or pity them for blissfully wallowing in their willful ignorance.
I was writing letters about these actions preventing these kids from getting into college until I checked, and you are right--they are not really "higher education" material. One of the meaner of the mean girls had her Facebook page public longer than all of the others. She is "in a relationship" with a boy who graduated earlier and is at the local community college, which seems to be the best any of these kids can hope for.
They are clearly uneducated now, and seem to have no hope or plans to gain any true education in the future. So I imagine they'll just become their myopic parents, claim the Christian high ground while acting so very ant-Christian, and when they come of age, vote Teabagger.
Should I continue to despise them for being despicable, or pity them for blissfully wallowing in their willful ignorance.
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24 and yet people keep pouring into the south from all the hip east coast parts of the country and the south keeps picking up more seats in congress evidently real americans can't get away from pretentious creative interesting and productive assholes fast enough bye bye
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Ever notice the thread that runs through the bigots' attempts to defend themselves (like lindsey's and the other kids') is this idea of "we're just minding our own business, and now the (ACLU, liberals, you name it) are trying to force their will on us." ? It's like they just can't distinguish between passive withdrawal and active exclusion. Like shutting someone out of a prom is the equivalent of one person choosing a single friend to hang out with. It's some weird form of conservative denial - very similar to the teabaggers' wanting to shut down the health care bill because it was being "rammed down their throats." The fact that people were DYING from lack of health insurance was irrelevant because it wasn't them or their friends. At the moment. God these people are stupid.
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@51: You must have misunderstood him. I think he was saying that the better things in America just do not come from the South. Which is true for the most part. If you look at my source, you'll see that the Atlantic South is where most migrants are going. Which is funny, since that's the part of the South that's the most like the North; urbanized, economically strong (relatively speaking), and generally more progressive than the more rural areas.
See how the inland/Gulf part of the South is second only to the Mountain West in how little it's built up? http://cleantechlawandbusiness.com/clean…
So okay, it makes sense that people would be moving out of the Mid-Atlantic. One, it's fairly crowded there, and real estate prices are often obnoxiously high. Two, if you're in the Mid-Atlantic, you're either in Jersey or near Jersey. But when people leave the Mid-Atlantic, you know what part of the South they live in? The part that is lowest in racist backwater hicks.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cach…
See how the inland/Gulf part of the South is second only to the Mountain West in how little it's built up? http://cleantechlawandbusiness.com/clean…
So okay, it makes sense that people would be moving out of the Mid-Atlantic. One, it's fairly crowded there, and real estate prices are often obnoxiously high. Two, if you're in the Mid-Atlantic, you're either in Jersey or near Jersey. But when people leave the Mid-Atlantic, you know what part of the South they live in? The part that is lowest in racist backwater hicks.
http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cach…
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I wish Constance had taken up the offer to come here to New Orleans for a sponsored semi-prom. All those 400+ classmates so smug at faking her out with the bait and switch? I think a lot would have suddenly found they rather liked her if they could get a free trip to New Orleans out of it.
BTW, I'm a New Orleans immigrant, come from California, spent time in Mississippi running from hurricanes. (Including that one.) New Orleans is not part of the South. It may be surrounded by the South, but it is NOT the South.
BTW, I'm a New Orleans immigrant, come from California, spent time in Mississippi running from hurricanes. (Including that one.) New Orleans is not part of the South. It may be surrounded by the South, but it is NOT the South.
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fulton county is a disgrace. it doesn't hurt anyone for some girl and her girlfriend to attend prom. the kids of that school and their parents ought to be ashamed of themselves. their behavior is vile and loathsome.
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The girl has been a lesbian since 8th grade and could have made her intentions known for years, but no, she waits until the prom...well she got her prom...how insane is it that one girl's ideals can be a distraction for many students (majority) that do not share that ideal. Constance will make a good democrat that wants the majority to bow to a minority. about 1.5 % of USA population is gay and they always want the majority to accommodate them at any damn cost.
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@58 "Accommodate them at any damn cost"? Exactly how expensive would it have been just to let her go with her girlfriend to prom.
As for majority bowing to the minority...god you're dumb. No matter how small a minority is, they have the same rights as everyone else. And there is no right in the constitution that says you have the right to not be "distracted" by those who are different than you. You and your argument fail.
As for majority bowing to the minority...god you're dumb. No matter how small a minority is, they have the same rights as everyone else. And there is no right in the constitution that says you have the right to not be "distracted" by those who are different than you. You and your argument fail.
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I hate to acknowledge the unregistered trolls, but 58's comment is just too perfect to pass up. Listen, you moron, and anyone else who thinks they agree: It was not Constance's "ideals" that wanted to go to prom - it was Constance herself, with her date. Real, actual human beings. Possibly very annoying ones, granted, but real nonetheless.
You social conservatrons are always doing this - saying you're just standing up for your God- and Constitution-granted freedoms to disagree with modern liberal viewpoints when you deny freedoms, rights, recognitions etc. to people you don't like. That's bullshit. They're people, not arguments, you asshole. Actual, pulse-having, feelings-possessing humans, not walking embodiments of some secular liberal ideology. Unless you can demonstrate they've actually done something wrong - i.e., harmful to others, you have no basis for treating them differently from anyone else.
I know it's probably pointless, but just maybe that's simple enough for you to understand.
You social conservatrons are always doing this - saying you're just standing up for your God- and Constitution-granted freedoms to disagree with modern liberal viewpoints when you deny freedoms, rights, recognitions etc. to people you don't like. That's bullshit. They're people, not arguments, you asshole. Actual, pulse-having, feelings-possessing humans, not walking embodiments of some secular liberal ideology. Unless you can demonstrate they've actually done something wrong - i.e., harmful to others, you have no basis for treating them differently from anyone else.
I know it's probably pointless, but just maybe that's simple enough for you to understand.
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If the ACLU and/or Constance want to pursue this in court, the Fulton County school board and administrators are going to find out Just How Mad a judge gets when lied to ... frankly, I can't wait!
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Lance Thrustwell, you've got the best post on here. Kudos.
And I think is Constance can, she should move. I was born in Mississippi, but was raised in S. Carolina. There were some nice people, but the idiocy and bigotry was astounding. I couldn't wait to leave. I'll never forget my mother telling me that the worst tip she ever got working at Sonic in Miss. was a card from the KKK. No cash, just some lousy KKK invitation. She said, "That was MS, for ya". They weren't all like that or in the KKK of course, but those that were made it their mission to make life hell for whoever they deemed "others".
And I think is Constance can, she should move. I was born in Mississippi, but was raised in S. Carolina. There were some nice people, but the idiocy and bigotry was astounding. I couldn't wait to leave. I'll never forget my mother telling me that the worst tip she ever got working at Sonic in Miss. was a card from the KKK. No cash, just some lousy KKK invitation. She said, "That was MS, for ya". They weren't all like that or in the KKK of course, but those that were made it their mission to make life hell for whoever they deemed "others".
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@60, 62: Yeah, I agree totally. But Alleged makes this point on every fucking board. It's literally, like, his only opinion. I think he has a grand total of one opinion: that liberals are hypocrites for disagreeing with conservative intolerance.
It not only makes no sense to anyone with half a brain, it's also endlessly circular; still, he keeps making it, because, well, the only way anyone can even remotely try to defend injustice against gays this late in the game is to argue that no one should ever believe their opinion is "right." But, yeah (you noticed!), that is itself an opinion Alleged thinks is "right." So he's a hypocrite too then, I guess? But thinking he's a hypocrite is also having an opinion, which then makes you a hypocrite...
It's so childish in stupid it's never really worth discussing. I sometimes think he's joking, and this is a sophistic trick by someone in the Buddhist community to break down our ego. But they're tremendously more effective, so I doubt that too.
So yeah, you probably still don't have it simple enough to understand. It's okay though; no one ever will.
It not only makes no sense to anyone with half a brain, it's also endlessly circular; still, he keeps making it, because, well, the only way anyone can even remotely try to defend injustice against gays this late in the game is to argue that no one should ever believe their opinion is "right." But, yeah (you noticed!), that is itself an opinion Alleged thinks is "right." So he's a hypocrite too then, I guess? But thinking he's a hypocrite is also having an opinion, which then makes you a hypocrite...
It's so childish in stupid it's never really worth discussing. I sometimes think he's joking, and this is a sophistic trick by someone in the Buddhist community to break down our ego. But they're tremendously more effective, so I doubt that too.
So yeah, you probably still don't have it simple enough to understand. It's okay though; no one ever will.
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I LOOOOOve the way they faked her out and made a fool of her! Not that it was hard to make a fool of her! And BTW no one knows Constance's GPA. She probabbly has HORRRIBLE grades. That's my bet---so that scholarship from Ellen will remain unused,she cant get a decent SAT score. She cant go to air conditioner school, she's too fat to fit thru an air-duct or a crawl-space or a toolbelt. You Liberals make me laugh---you are all so ignorant, your excuses you make for gay selves are as stupid and absurd as ever.
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