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Tuesday, March 23, 2010

Federal Judge Finds That Itawamba County School Board Violated Constance McMillen's Constitutional Rights

Posted by on Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM

Originally posted at 2:05 PM. Updated and moved up.

But the judge refuses to order school to host prom:

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A federal judge ruled Tuesday that a Mississippi school district violated a lesbian student's rights by refusing to allow her to bring her girlfriend to the prom, but he said he would not force the school to hold the event.... U.S. District Judge Glen H. Davidson denied the ACLU's request for a preliminary injunction. He said he'll still hold a trial, but he did not set a date, meaning any ruling would likely come too late to have the prom when it was originally scheduled...

But Davidson said a private prom parents are now planning will serve the same purpose as the school prom. He wrote in his ruling that "requiring defendants to step back into a sponsorship role at this late date would only confuse and confound the community on the issue."

Um... if by "serve the same purpose," the judge means, "discriminate against Constance McMillen just as effectively," then, yes, the private prom—to which Constance and other LGBT students are not invited—will "serve the same purpose" as the school's cancelled prom.

And as for this:

School officials said in court they decided to call off the prom at Itawamba Agricultural High School because McMillen's challenge to the rules had caused disruptions.

Under cross-examination yesterday school officials were forced to admit that the "disruptions" they complained about—emails, phone calls, faxes—came after they cancelled prom, not before. It was the bigoted actions of the school board that caused disruptions, not Constance McMillen's request to take her girlfriend to prom.

The ACLU points out that this ruling—while not entirely satisfactory (and in some areas willfully obtuse)—is a victory for Constance. She won't be able to go to court to have prom reinstated. But with the finding that her constitutional rights were violated Constance has standing to sue Itawamba County for damages.

UPDATE: From the ruling...

"The Court finds that Constance's First Amendment rights have been violated and therefore, she has established, by a preponderance of the evidence, a substantial likelihood of success on the merits with respect to her First Amendment claim."

UPDATE 2: Click here for a PDF of today's ruling.

UPDATE 3: So is Constance invited to the private prom?

"Well the judge basically says, 'You guys SAID this [private] prom is open to everyone, so I am holding you to that,'" writes Chris Hampton, of the ACLU, in an email. "If they don’t get an invitation to her, I am sure that will be coming up at trial."

Previously the Clarion Ledger reported that Constance did not receive an invitation to the private prom being organized by parents of other students at Itawamba Agricultural High School.

UPDATE 4: I just spoke with Constance by phone.

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Your reaction to the ruling?

I was really happy, even though the school doesn't have to put on prom. And I understood that it would be hard to move prom back to school from the furniture market. But I'm still happy because the court recognized that the school board violated my rights. The court recognized that I have a right to bring my girlfriend to prom.

The judge said there was no need to order Itawamba County School Board to reinstate prom because a private prom is being planned, and this private prom will "serve the same purpose" as it's "open to everyone." Have you received an invitation? Are you planning to attend?

No, I haven't received an invitation. But from what I understand right now they're not sending out invitations. They told me yesterday that everyone is invited—that's what they said in court, that's what school board chairman Eddie Hood said in court. If that's so, then, yes, I will probably attend, more than likely.

With your girlfriend? Wearing a tux?

With my girlfriend, in a tux.

Do you think you'll be welcome at the private prom?

I hope so. There's still, like, a lot of people who are angry right now. I didn't go to school today, my nerves are shot. But I'm hoping that things will calm down now and people will chill out about this at school. And I'm hoping that I'll be recieved okay, back at school, and at the prom.

A high school in Georgia told a boy—like you an honor student—that he couldn't take his boyfriend to prom, but reversed itself this week. Do you think your case had anything to do with that school's decision?

I think that it could have, and if it did I'd be very, very pleased. Maybe the school realized from my case that they couldn't do that, that it was unconstitutional. And I would be very pleased if what I'm doing influenced that boy's school to do the right thing. That's the whole point in how much media attention I've cooperated with. The more word gets out the more peple realize that they can't do that to gay teenagers, the more young people know to get ahold of the ACLU if they're getting discriminated against, the better.

I see that you have more than 400,000 supporters on Facebook now.

It's wonderful, the support I've gotten. It keeps me pushing when it gets hard. It helps to know that there are people out there who feel that this is just as important as I do.

UPDATE 5: From the ACLU's take-no-prisoners press release:

“Today’s ruling isn’t just a win for Constance and her girlfriend—it’s a win for all the students at her school, and for all lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender students who just want to be able to be themselves at school without being treated unfairly,” said Kristy Bennett, Legal Director of the ACLU of Mississippi. “Public schools can’t just stomp on students’ free expression rights just because they don't want to deal with these students, and if schools do try to do that they’ll be dealing with us.”

“We are grateful and happy that IAHS’s attempt to cancel the prom has been seen for the thinly-veiled ruse to violate Constance McMillen’s First Amendment rights that we always knew it was,” said Christine P. Sun, Senior Counsel with the ACLU national LGBT Project, who represents McMillen along with the ACLU of Mississippi. “These school officials should be ashamed of themselves for trying to scapegoat a young girl and then trying to lay the blame for their bad behavior at her feet.”

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Mighty Kaytor 1
This situation is so incredibly frustrating.
Posted by Mighty Kaytor http://mightykaytor.blogspot.com on March 23, 2010 at 2:11 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 2
"Willfully obtuse" - well put. He may be a federal judge, but he's still got to live in that community also. I suppose this is about the best anyone could hope for.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on March 23, 2010 at 2:21 PM
DowntownTaylor 3
Seems like Dan is just being a bitch now.

He says Constance is not invited to the private prom, but the court opinion says that, based on testimony in court, all students are welcome to that prom.

Dan's assertion that Constance is not invited seems to be based on one student's claim on an internet bulletin board that she's not welcome, and on Constance's lawyer's assertion that just because an individual invitation had not yet been received, then she must not be welcome (See "Meanwhile inMississippi"). I don't buy it.
Posted by DowntownTaylor http://www.digitaltaylor.com on March 23, 2010 at 2:24 PM
4
I hope she sues and collects all the salaries paid to the board and administrators. I hope she bankrupts the county.
Posted by abel on March 23, 2010 at 2:25 PM
5
Dan, you don't have it quite right about how the court viewed the "private prom." The court wrote (p. 11):

However, the Court is of the opinion that its failure to grant an injunction in this instance does not disserve the public interest. Defendants testified that a parent sponsored prom which is open to all IAHS students has been planned and is scheduled for April 2, 2010. Though the details of the "private" prom are unknown to the Court, Defendants have made representations, upon which this Court relies, that all IAHS students, including the Plaintiff, are welcome and encouraged to attend. The Court finds that requiring Defendants to step-back into a sponsorship role at this late date would only confuse and confound the community on the issue. Parents have taken the initiative to plan and pay for a "private" prom for the Juniors and Seniors of IAHS and to now require Defendants to host one as it had originally planned would defeat the purpose and efforts of those individuals.

In other words, the court said that the *only* reason it was denying the injunction was because the defendants represented to the court that Constance (and her girlfriend) will be welcome and encouraged to attend the private prom.

Also, the court said Constance could amend her complaint to request compensatory damages. Since the court has already found a first amendment violation, the district is now on notice that it may be on the hook for any pain or distress Constance will suffer if the district's "representations" about the private prom turn out to be incorrect.
Posted by lawgrl on March 23, 2010 at 2:27 PM
6
From the court document: "a parent sponsored prom which is open to all IAHS students has been planned and is scheduled". The judge isn't forcing the school to host prom because the defendants testified that Constance can attend this alterna-prom. If that doesn't happen, the principal and superintendent can be held responsible in court.

The ACLU site has the full Preliminary Injunction Opinion available (for download PDF viewing) on their website: http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/fulton-m…
Posted by sammielu on March 23, 2010 at 2:31 PM
7
Every single one of the kids was denied a school prom platform to exercise political speech through their choice of date and clothing.
Seems any settlement will have to be split a couple of hundred ways....
Posted by Johnny Cochroach on March 23, 2010 at 2:32 PM
sepiolida 8
So, the school violated her rights. Are they going to be punished in some way? Because otherwise it was sort of pointless to go to trial, right?
Posted by sepiolida on March 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM
9
Constance and the ACLU only found out about the private prom when it was referenced in the school in its filing with the court.

According to Constance and her lawyers, she is not welcome at the private prom. I have calls in to Constance and the ACLU. If that's changed, I'll post after I hear from 'em.
Posted by Dan Savage on March 23, 2010 at 2:33 PM
10
@8, all this is just pre-trial legal stuff ("Preliminary Injunction"). Damages will be determined during actual trial, date TBD.
Posted by sammielu on March 23, 2010 at 2:38 PM
11
Well, let's hope Connie wins a big $$ judgment and that will send the school board a send a clear message. Even bigots understand $$.

Posted by Ka-ching on March 23, 2010 at 2:39 PM
12
Accidental gay activist and hero Constance McMillen's school officials canceled her prom when she politely requested to sport a tuxedo and take her girlfriend as her date to the Godforsaken high school rite of passage. Now, her classmates and their parents in her Mississippi town have left her off of the invite to a substitute prom that will be held at a furniture mart in nearby Tupelo, according to the Clarion Ledger.

As the prom being held at the "furniture mart" is a private event --albeit a tacky one -- excluding McMillen is not a constitutional issue, according Benjamin Griffith, the school board attorney.


http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=2…
Posted by Dan Savage on March 23, 2010 at 2:41 PM
13
Hopefully the principal and superintendent wouldn't be stupid enough to perjure themselves over this issue. I'm going to hope that the judge required a commitment from them before making this decision.
Posted by amazonvera on March 23, 2010 at 2:43 PM
14
I doubt Constance is going to pursue legal damages. She got ostracized for being the one to "cancel" prom. Do you really think she or her family are going to want to become the family that "bankrupted" the county?

It may be no consolation to Constance, but at least she has made it harder for others to be discriminated against.
Posted by dcpa22 on March 23, 2010 at 2:51 PM
Alanmt 15
If the parents putting on the private prom don't send Constance an invitation, or turn her away, then they put the school district at risk for a larger damages award and, although it is unlikely, the district and its attorney could conceivably face judicially-imposed sanctions if shown to have misrepresented facts to the Court.
Posted by Alanmt on March 23, 2010 at 2:53 PM
16
@3 Come on now. If the parents organizing this prom were on Constance's side, then why didn't they organize to pressure the school board to welcome her instead of helping them get off the hook by organizing the alternaprom?? The prom is a week from Friday. When do you think they were planning on getting around to inviting her?? This case is national news!! If they wanted to invite her, they already would have.

If she is never invited and the alternaprom happens without her, will you come back and apologize for calling Dan a bitch?
Posted by ML77 on March 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM
nseattlite 17
I wouldn't be surprised that if the judge had ordered the school to hold the prom as planned, the parents would keep their private prom and Constance, her date, would be the only ones at the school-sponsored prom. So maybe this is the best for her and the school. But if they don't let her go, she should sue their pants off for all kinds of $$
Posted by nseattlite on March 23, 2010 at 2:57 PM
18
re 8: I don't think it was pointless, regardless of what happens to Constance now, because it sets a precedent that should prevent other schools from pulling stunts like this.
Posted by AK on March 23, 2010 at 3:01 PM
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I agree with 17, the judge could force the school to un-cancel prom, but he couldn't force the families throwing the private prom to cancel that one, and then you essentially have segregated prom. As iffy as this seems, holding them to a promise of an open and inclusive private prom seems like the only way to potentially accomplish what Constance wanted; a prom for everyone, herself included.

If the private hosts don't publicly announce that the prom is open to all students and don't issue Constance an invitiation, she should show up (with supporters and the press) in her tux and present this court decision as her invitation.
Posted by amazonvera on March 23, 2010 at 3:03 PM
20
According to the "Let Constance Take Her Girlfriend to Prom!" Facebook Page: Breaking: Court finds school violated Constance’s rights. School allowed to cancel prom, but Constance should be allowed to attend the private prom. More soon!
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Let-Consta…

We'll see if Constance is actually able to go to the private prom, or if the whole "Constance can come to the private prom!" never actually materializes.
Posted by Lorran on March 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM
21
Yes sue this school district which will really help the education of all children that happen to be born in this county - Itawamba County has not impressed me as being really affluent like the rest of Missouri....
Posted by Get your head our of your ass already on March 23, 2010 at 3:04 PM
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 22
@13

Boy, amazon, if you can show me where they've made *one* single smart move on this whole thing, I'd love to see it. I can 100% believe that they've done an incredibly stupid thing by perjuring themselves.

@3 Thanks for the concern trolling. We have a few extra sources, courtesy of DS. Not that we needed them, of course, but it helps.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on March 23, 2010 at 3:05 PM
23
@21- OMG! You're totally right! About everything! Well, except Itawamba is in Mississippi, not Missouri...
Posted by S-Lo on March 23, 2010 at 3:14 PM
24
@21, did you mean Mississippi? Or is your head in your ass?
Posted by sammielu on March 23, 2010 at 3:18 PM
Alanmt 25
To follow up on my previous post, the school district should be very scared of the judge's careful and clever ruling. He couldn't force all the students to now attend a school-sponsored prom when there is a private alternative, and he couldn't actually force the parents to allow Constance to go to the private prom. What he has done is make the School District the guarantor of Constance's attendance at the private prom, and if it doesn't get the parents to extend an invitation, he has placed the District in the difficult position of appearing to have wilfully misled the Court and appearing to have orchestrated a further denial of Constance's rights, increasing her damages and the school district's exposure.

The School District has a choice. It can convince the parents to let Constance go and have a decent prom experience, and the suit against it will either go away or her damages will be limited; or it can do nothing, putting itself in a precarious position and subjecting itself to expensive litigation and a real risk of a serious damage award.

Nice bit of legal work, I say.
Posted by Alanmt on March 23, 2010 at 3:19 PM
Mike in MO 26
Regarding the GA school un-cancelling & whether her stand had anything to do with it:

"Maybe the school realized from my case that they couldn't do that, that it was unconstitutional. I would be very pleased if what I'm doing influenced that boy's school to do the right thing."

She is SO GODDAMN COOL!
Posted by Mike in MO on March 23, 2010 at 3:22 PM
Telsa Grills 27
While I'm proud of her perseverance (I do know what it takes to do that), I nevertheless get the nagging feeling that sometime during the past week or so, Constance became a political pawn between the Dans and the homo-haters of the U.S., and she's being played so long as she carries a face value.

I'm starting to feel bad for her on a wholly new level.
Posted by Telsa Grills on March 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM
Will in Seattle 28
YOWZA!

Glad someone had sense down there.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on March 23, 2010 at 3:27 PM
29
This is so precious!
Dan playing 'reporter'...

@12
@22
Unattributed internet gossip is not "sources". No dessert for you.

@9
Have other students received invitations?
Or other individual notice? If you don't know the answer to that then how do you know Constance is being "not invited"? And if you don't know why are you stating it?

"According to Constance and her lawyers, she is not welcome at the private prom...."
Are Constance and her lawyer in charge of the invitation list? If not what is their source for this information?

We ask questions first,
then report.
Posted by the town biddy on March 23, 2010 at 3:27 PM
30
#23 &# 24 - Sorry Mississippi it is. But basically the point I was trying to make is that no school district in either state can afford a law suit and it not adversly effect the other children in any district - the Administrators will still get pay raises but the kids will get the short end of the stick....again
Posted by Get your head our of your ass already on March 23, 2010 at 3:29 PM
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 31
@29 The internet source that Dan cited had it's own source for the information, the Clarion Ledger. Which is a newspaper. It's there if you want to read it.

Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on March 23, 2010 at 3:33 PM
32
@30

I hope that you are not saying that because school districts don't have unlimited funds, they should be allowed to engage in unlawful, discriminatory actions. The idea that people/organizations who can't pay legal fees should get away with breaking the law is ridiculous.
Posted by Lorran on March 23, 2010 at 3:35 PM
33
@ Dan - How did you get a copy of the opinion? I went to the website for the Northern District of Mississippi ( http://www.msnd.uscourts.gov/ )and the "Opinion" section appears to be limited to official court business.

Also, an interesting side note, the presiding judge was appointed by Reagan - somewhat surprising given that in my reading of the opinion the judge, Senior Judge Davidson, seemed very sympathetic to Constance.

Finally, maybe a little thanks to the ACLU is in order. For them to respond as quickly and as well as they did deserves some applause.
Posted by merdinus on March 23, 2010 at 3:38 PM
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@30, only if the administrators keep their heads in their asses. They can still do the right thing and host prom. They can still implement policies, dress codes, and rules that do not violate civil rights.

My point: People with their head in their ass might not be able to read, write, or proofread.
Posted by sammielu on March 23, 2010 at 3:40 PM
35
@33, it's on the ACLU site, Dan linked it in an update to the post, here: http://www.aclu.org/lgbt-rights/fulton-m…
Posted by sammielu on March 23, 2010 at 3:43 PM
36
"The Court finds that requiring Defendants to step-back into a sponsorship role at this late date would only confuse and confound the community on the issue."

...because the community is comprised of idiots.
Posted by arson on March 23, 2010 at 3:51 PM
Eric Arrr 37
@25,

Way to break it down. This is an awesome ruling, and the judge could not have done better by Constance.
Posted by Eric Arrr on March 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM
38
@31

We did. Read it, that is.

We wonder if Dan did.
(that's a rhetorical statement. We know damn well Dan did not. He doesn't even read the articles he links himself...)

The gossip site Dan cited attributed the information to the Clarion Ledger but in fact all that paper did was quote the ACLU lawyers inaccurate statement about the non-invite, the same statement Dan references @9.
It's a grand circle of gossip that leads back to itself. I'm just surprised Dan didn't get a quotation from Perez Hilton.
Posted by Dan is giving biddy old gossips a bad name on March 23, 2010 at 4:02 PM
39
In Google News, the headlines make it look like she had a big loss.

Here's the top 4 items:
CNN: Judge rules against lesbian high-schooler in Mississippi prom case
AP: Judge won't force Miss. district to hold prom
Jackson Clarion Ledger: Judge won't force Mississippi school to hold prom
Also AP: Judge rules against lesbian teen in prom flap

Call me crazy, but isn't violating Constitutional rights a little closer to the point?
Posted by mattro2.0 on March 23, 2010 at 4:07 PM
40
@33 -- Dan has posted a link to the opinion. But if you want to look at the entire docket, including briefs and exhibits from the hearing yesterday, you can go to the N.D. Miss. web page (http://www.msnd.uscourts.gov/), create a pacer account, and query case number 10-61. The charge is 8 cents per page, but opinions are free. Apparently there is some other free service called "recap" that has some court documents, but I'm not familiar with how it works.
Posted by lawgrl on March 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM
Pope Urbane 41
I've got what may be a stoopit question. Is Constance's girlfriend a student at the school? The private party throwers are saying that all students of the school are welcome. Does that imply that non-students are not welcome? Can you bring a date that is not a student?
Posted by Pope Urbane on March 23, 2010 at 4:49 PM
samktg 42
This is a victory, even if the school was not forced to hold the prom (Constance had better get that invitation, or the ACLU will no doubt drag the bigots through the mud and into the spotlight once more). The school and the greater community has had its reputation absolutely trashed, and now all the bigots have been fully apprised that they will bring a shit-storm down on themselves if they do anything like this again (smart move Bleckley County HS). Constance has added yet another legal precedence to the books that shows this kind of horse-shit is unconstitutional, a flagrant violation of first amendment rights.

Constance had better get that invite. It's a shame that the school board doesn't seem to be getting any legal punishment, but at least they have been utterly shamed in front of the nation, and perhaps now bigots working in the school system will think twice before letting their personal beliefs get in the way of their duties.
Posted by samktg http://effyeaharthistory.tumblr.com/ on March 23, 2010 at 4:55 PM
43
@41, Yes, they're both students at the school.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader on March 23, 2010 at 5:04 PM
Will in Seattle 44
@43 - then what's their problem?
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on March 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM
douglas 45
i sorta get the impression that constance doesn't really want this business to drag on any longer than it already has. it seems doubtful that she'll go for a big civil suit. i think the judge made the best call he could: he trashed the unjust actions of the school board with out forcing "the community" to reinstate the canceled prom, which would take this whole thing to a more sleazy talk show/day time courtroom tv kinda vibe rather than a dignified moral victory for a totally cool kid.
Posted by douglas on March 23, 2010 at 5:30 PM
college dude from madison 46
@43 @44
From what I remember her girlfriend is a student from another school / another district. I assume the private prom won't use "outside student" as an excuse to not allow Constance and her date to go as that would also prevent other couples with outside dates
Posted by college dude from madison on March 23, 2010 at 6:55 PM
Dingo 47
If she's smart she'll ask the people involved to undergo sensitivity training and establish a new school policy regarding prom attire and same-sex dates. The board will get off relatively easy, but she will have made her point; she won't look bad for taking them to the cleaners; and other schools will think twice about trying the same thing.
Posted by Dingo on March 23, 2010 at 7:13 PM
48
44
damn, you girls don't get it-
Sure Constance and her friend could go to the Prom and hook up once they got there but where's the big Homo Coming Out! to that?
Where's the appearance on Ellen?
The $30,000 cash! cash! cash! ?
400,000 close and personal friends wouldn't settle for that and neither should you.
Posted by We Shall OverCum on March 23, 2010 at 7:18 PM
49
'sensitivity training'

great idea.

or just wear a sign that says
"I'm an ASSHOLE PRICK"
Posted by this isn't canada. it's the RW on March 23, 2010 at 7:21 PM
Dingo 50
46: she's a student in the same school; it says so in the court decision.
Posted by Dingo on March 23, 2010 at 7:30 PM
samktg 51
@48, A Period Hive drone! BZZZzzzzZzzzZZZzzzZzzzfuckzzZZZoffzzzZzZ
Posted by samktg http://effyeaharthistory.tumblr.com/ on March 23, 2010 at 7:44 PM
52
Someone claiming to be the GF's sister says they broke up from all the pressure and sounds like her parents are not thrilled with having a gay daughter.

I know a hundred women who would go to prom with Constance. If it's true and no one else is on her invite list, it's time to call in the Shimizu, the Sykes, the Ray and Sailiers, and possibly the Gaga.

Kudos for the judge for recognizing the violation of her constitutional rights. Boo to those who think constitutional rights are pesky pains in the ass.
Posted by Mrs. Sippy on March 23, 2010 at 7:56 PM
doesurmindglow 53
@45: I agree. The injustice has been remedied; the bigots have been exposed for what they were and relented to the forces of good and light. Maybe, hopefully, they realized that what they did was undeservingly hurtful to someone else, and next time maybe they'll try to work out their concerns differently.

I don't think any more is needed here, except maybe to remind people of what we learned today. But as long as Constance feels welcomed, can be proud of who she is, and is happy, then I'm happy.

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice."
Posted by doesurmindglow on March 24, 2010 at 1:53 AM
54
She's quite articulate and seems (to me!) like a really nice person, from these interview responses. Which is great for all concerned. I wish her the best.
Posted by Ancient Sumerian on March 24, 2010 at 5:39 AM
55
Well, I hope that she survives through the rest of High School.

I did donate to the ACLU for helping Constance who in turn help another boy in Georgia. How many other kids is this one very public fight going to affect? Sometimes, making noise is the best thing a person can do. And winning helps too.
Posted by clearlyhere http://clearlyhere.livejournal.com on March 24, 2010 at 6:36 AM
Frau Blucher 56
Again, I'll state, I notice the desperation in the tone of comments made by the Period troll.

I've said it before, and this goes to show, he knows he's on the losing side of this battle, and is grasping for whatever bullshit he can to justify his lame reasoning.

Soon, he will be a "legion" of one (or two, if you include Loveschild). Maybe they can meet for a drink and cry on each others shoulder.
Posted by Frau Blucher on March 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM
samktg 57
@56, Except the Period Hive and LC would be at each other's throats over topics like healthcare.
Posted by samktg http://effyeaharthistory.tumblr.com/ on March 26, 2010 at 10:16 AM

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