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Tuesday, February 9, 2010

SL Letter of the Day: Six Months of Vanilla

Posted by on Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 5:37 PM

I need your help. I used to have an awesome adventurous sex life with my partner, which has slowly devolved into really, really terrible sex as of late.

I’m 30-year-old woman and have been with my partner for the last 4 years. We got together through a mutual interest in pegging. I love guys who crossdress, and while this was new to him, he really got into it. We shared fantasies about threesomes of various kinds, though nothing has eventuated yet. We’ve done lots of light bondage and S&M.

In the last year he went through a rough patch and put on some weight. He pretty much stopped dressing up, because while it used to make him feel sexy now it just makes him feel bad about his weight. Picking up people for threesomes is off the table because he wants to lose weight and feel more confident first. We are having a lot less sex because he doesn’t feel sexy. He told me that while he was happy with the kinky stuff in the past, but now it makes him feel bad. Like he’s not enough for me as he is, because there’s always some element of fantasy in the stuff that gets me off.

So he wants to have only vanilla sex for a while, to prove that I can be just as attracted to him without any of the kinky stuff. I enjoy vanilla sex with him but the crossdressing stuff gets me noticeably more hot and bothered than the other stuff. I can’t change that. So I’m unhappy because the things I enjoy are being phased out, he’s unhappy because with all this extra pressure the vanilla sex isn’t working, and it makes him feel worse about himself, and the sex is getting progressively worse and worse.

Can you help me find a way out of this mess Dan? Apart from “he should lose weight,” which he is but progress is slow. It makes me feel awful that what I want makes my partner feel worse about himself, but I really miss taking him out dancing in a cute dress, then coming home and fucking his ass, and just generally being adventurous and having heaps of fun sex.

Depression Ruins Erotic Success Story

My response after the jump…

First, a confession: your letter made “SL Letter of the Day,” DRESS, due to the suggestion, made in response to yesterday's SLLOTD, that only gay people are kinky. Crossdressing, bondage, S&M, pegging—not too shabby, DRESS, not too shabby.

But it seems clear that your particular needs, and how you’ve gone about getting them met, wound up making your boyfriend feel like an object. He feels less like your lover and your sex partner, DRESS, and more like a doll that you play dress up (and buttfuck) with. And being objectified worked for him, DRESS, and he got off on it, so long as he was confident about his body and felt good about how he looked with a dress on or his ass in the air. But when he become depressed and gained that weight and suddenly didn’t feel so confident, well, whatever qualms and doubts he had about your true feelings for him came to the surface, and it turns out that he was less comfortable what you two were getting up to, DRESS, than either of you were aware.

So now he's left wondering... do you really love him? Or do you love what he allows you do with and to him?

And that question prompted his vanilla-sex-only shakedown/ultimatum, DRESS. It sounds like you weren't having much vanilla sex up to now and, well, that was a mistake. Perhaps if you hadn't have been neglecting vanilla sex over the last four years he wouldn’t now be attaching so much symbolic importance to its absence.

So what do you do? I think you suck it up for six months, DRESS. You've had everything your way for four years—dressing up, going out, hunting for a third, fucking his ass—and six months of vanilla sex (which, unlike a dude in a pretty dress, you can appreciate with the lights off) and some decent home cooking and a little hitting the gym together isn't too much to ask. If you are generally and genuinely compatible, and if he honestly enjoys your kinks when he's up for 'em, you would be foolish not to invest six months in demonstrating to him that he’s not just an object, that you love him as much as you enjoy your sexual adventures, and… with any luck (and maybe with a little sex-positive therapy), your depressed boyfriend will kick back into gear and the sexual adventures will take off again. Be cheerful about it, be upbeat, be what he's been all along—namely, indulgent.

Make sure he understands that you won't be able to remain in a relationship if it's not meeting your sexual needs; tell him that you expect the adventures to resume at some point. But for now, DRESS, for the next six months or so, you're going to focus on his needs and interests.

 

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Ness 1
Good point Dan, but I think you missed the big one -- how does she deal with the fact that the vanilla sex just isn't good? Not necessarily because it's not of the kinky variety, but it sounds like this guy just doesn't know how to rock vanilla.
Posted by Ness http://www.collegecandy.com/author/nessfraser on February 9, 2010 at 5:45 PM
Under The Radar 2
Why does it have to be ONLY vanilla sex for six months? Can't they mix it up so she doesn't end up the depressed one in a half a year?
Posted by Under The Radar on February 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM
3
It sounds like this poor dude is taking the brunt of a karmic backlash against the male gender's centuries of objectifying women; and to think he was being so accomodating. Fuck you, Buddha.
Posted by boatman on February 9, 2010 at 5:54 PM
kim in portland 4
I could be slow tonight, but I did not get the impression that he is bad at vanilla. I got the impression that she doesn't find vanilla as satisfying. That doesn't mean that he couldn't improve rocking the vanilla, heck we should all be in the process of improving ourselves on a daily basis, but he might need to gain some confidence to rock the vanilla a little harder.

So, I agree with Dan.

And to DRESS and her man, chin up and give it a shot.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on February 9, 2010 at 5:55 PM
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It sounds like the boyfriend has realized (consciously or not) that DRESS has been in complete control of the relationship sexually (if not elsewhere), and was unsettled by it. She mentions no reasons why he has gained the weight (rough patch is incredibly vague), and it would surprise me if it wasn't in some way related to the relationship dynamic. If nothing else, she wasn't supplying the support in the patch that he really could have used, thus the weight gain.

She should try drawing him out a little more; not just back off on her kinks, but figure out what gets Him all hot and bothered. She may find that there are fantasies that he has that will be just as enjoyable for her as her kinks initially were for him.
Posted by dcpa22 on February 9, 2010 at 5:56 PM
bhowie 6
Funny, I have no interest in cross-dressing or getting pegged, but I thought the line, ..."taking him out dancing in a cute dress, then coming home and fucking his ass..." was very hot. Maybe it is the female empowerment that strikes a chord.
Posted by bhowie on February 9, 2010 at 6:04 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 7
I completely agree with Dan. Maybe he really is a lousy lay; maybe DRESS truly has a fetish and can't get off without all the kinks. Either way, it's plain vanilla for you, DRESS, or the ice cream's gonna melt.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on February 9, 2010 at 6:10 PM
balderdash 8
I think you're right about how DRESS needs to handle her guy, Dan. You can't gung-ho somebody out of depression and insecurity. It takes gentleness and patience and kid gloves to coax them back into feeling good about themselves. I've fucked up that particular process before, to my deep regret. She probably is going to need to back off and get sensitive if she wants to get him through this.

That said, I don't think DRESS is to blame for her boyfriend's insecurities and hang-ups, either, which is something your response seems to imply. I also don't think she can necessarily expect him to just get better, and she certainly can't and shouldn't try to fix him; she's not his shrink. Maybe he ought to think about some therapy or whatever equivalent kind of personal improvement would help him regain some self-confidence; and I certainly think if it's his physical shape that's causing so much trouble he ought to be working his ass off to get in better shape so long as he's asking her to go without having her needs met to a reasonable degree.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on February 9, 2010 at 6:32 PM
9
I don't disagree with Dan very often, but I'm not sure about this advice. There's nothing that unusual about a person for whom the hottest sex involves an element of kink or fantasy. And liking those things doesn't neccesarily mean you're "objectifying" your partner (any more so than you do during normal vanilla sex). She says throughout their relationship, they both enjoyed pegging, light bondage, S&M, and fantasising about potential threesomes, plus she introduced him to cross-dressing. That's a fairly wise range of kinks, and unless she's totally lying about the "shared interest," it wasn't just about him cross-dressing for her pleasure. And he expects her to give up all these kinky activities... why? To prove she loves him? After they've already been together four years? If I were her, I'd seriously be doubting that the kinky, fun sex life is going to return after the arbitrary time limit is up.

"So now he's left wondering... do you really love him? Or do you love what he allows you to do with and to him?" Well, shit. In a different context, that could be used as an excuse for cutting off ALL sex for six months.

It's understandable if this guy wants to focus on some different kinks that are based on his interests, or if he wants to temporarily cut off activities like cross-dressing that make him feel unattractive. But making a rule about vanilla-only is, again, arbitrary. And turning vanilla sex into some sort of test of love is just weird.
Posted by Gudrun Brangwen on February 9, 2010 at 6:52 PM
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Also: Ya know how people are always saying that fat people need "self-acceptance"? That applies even if you're trying to lose weight. Healthy weight loss is a slow process. "I'll just put off having the kind of sex my girlfriend likes until I get skinny again" isn't a reasonable approach. He needs to put some effort into having creative, lights-on sex NOW, even with an imperfect body.
Posted by Gudrun Brangwen on February 9, 2010 at 7:01 PM
11
I'm 100% with Gudrun. But love ya, Dan!
Posted by Jason Womack on February 9, 2010 at 8:13 PM
sirkowski 12
#9 You don't know much about depression.
Posted by sirkowski http://www.missdynamite.com on February 9, 2010 at 8:22 PM
13
Um, has DRESS and her guy tried shopping for new clothes? Yes, ill-fitting skirts are not sexy. I can definitely understand why someone wouldn't want to wear too-tight clothes out in public. But stores such as Fashion Bug and the like carry sexy clothing in larger ranges of sizes. (Eg. a particular shirt might be offered in sizes between 6 and 3x.)

Seriously, there's no reason why this guy should stay inside with the lights out until he can wear his old clothes again. People can and should look good no matter how much weight they want to lose.
Posted by exmai on February 9, 2010 at 8:39 PM
14
I say it to chicks most of the time, and I will direct it to a guy now: lose the weight. You may think the person should love you no matter what, but guess what? Many won't. Or more precisely, they will still love you, but just not want to fuck you. In which case, you become close friends, not lovers.

Lose the weight. As a bonus, vigorous exercise, better diet and a resumption of the prior sex life will also help (but obviously not cure) depression.
Posted by Beezotch! on February 9, 2010 at 8:52 PM
balderdash 15
@14 sounds kinda callous if you don't know depression, but speaking as someone who does, the part about exercise and better diet dramatically improving your depression is spot-fucking-on. If DRESS's boyfriend won't make the effort to get in shape for her, then he really needs to do it for himself.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on February 9, 2010 at 9:40 PM
w7ngman 16
Jesus F. Christ even Dan feeds the troll.
Posted by w7ngman http://userscripts.org/users/89370 on February 9, 2010 at 9:41 PM
17
Thanks for pointing out that GGG isn't just about trying kinks. Like others, I don't get the sense that DRESS' boyfriend is bad at vanilla sex; rather that DRESS finds it unsatisfying (and I'm guessing doesn't really hide her dissatisfaction). Sounds to me like the guy is taking responsibility for his own crap - he's losing the weight and making short-term changes that he feels will get him back to the place he wants to be (and be the boyfriend DRESS enjoyed for 3.5 years). If she can't do that for him, she should cut him free.
Posted by genevieve on February 9, 2010 at 10:09 PM
Will in Seattle 18
I think Dan hates women having a good time.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 9, 2010 at 10:34 PM
Aly 19
@18 Obviously.
Posted by Aly on February 9, 2010 at 10:45 PM
Fistique 20
What is it about dressing as a woman that gives even straight men--notorious for not giving a shit about their Rogen-esque physiques--body issues?
Posted by Fistique on February 10, 2010 at 12:35 AM
balderdash 21
@20

Yes, straight men don't care at all about how attractive they feel. That's why there's never anyone at the gym, and why that Axe stuff never sells.

Examine your assumptions before letting them out of your mouth, please.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on February 10, 2010 at 12:51 AM
drewl 22
Ok, just gotta say it...

'eventuated'
Posted by drewl on February 10, 2010 at 2:58 AM
emma's bee 23
@22: I assumed it was a Canadian turn of phrase (her voice in that letter sounded very Canadian to me). Can anyone confirm?
Posted by emma's bee on February 10, 2010 at 4:25 AM
24
He likes to be dominated. Just order him to lose the weight and stop feeling sorry for himself or you are going to peg his ass 'til he begs for mercy.
Posted by Mercy Me on February 10, 2010 at 6:34 AM
25
@23: as a Canadian, I have to say it didn't sound very Canadian to me. It sounded more like MBA-HR-consultant-bullshit-speak to me.
Posted by Kryten on February 10, 2010 at 7:06 AM
26
I am with Dan on that point. Love is always a give-and-take, and some times in this case in particular, it needs more give than take util things reach their equilibrium point. Should it nvever reaches that point, DRESS is welcome to take another course
@9 you get 0/10 for your compassion skills
Posted by chaya760 on February 10, 2010 at 7:08 AM
Greg 27
@16: For future reference, our Lord and Savior's middle name is Hernandez. Please respect that.
Posted by Greg on February 10, 2010 at 7:56 AM
hartiepie 28
Fake.

Yawn.

(and @27 ---Ha!!)
Posted by hartiepie on February 10, 2010 at 8:02 AM
29
This is ridiculous advice. ANY woman into crossdressing men should try to date crossdressing men. The ratio of men who like to crossdress and women who get off on men who crossdress is like 100 to 1. I know this because I too like CD's Men who are genuinely into it aren't less into it because they gain weight or whatever. They can't help being into it.

In general for a kink, yes, this advice would be good. And if this guy is her soulmate or something, then yes, it's still good advice.
Posted by Marrena on February 10, 2010 at 9:07 AM
Hernandez 30
@27 Thanks. I didn't want to have to be the one to say it.
Posted by Hernandez http://hernandezlist.blogspot.com on February 10, 2010 at 9:13 AM
Posted by B. Betherton on February 10, 2010 at 11:19 AM
samanthaf63 32
If the dude's been completely GGG with her kinks, then it's her turn to do the same on his vanilla - or what he fears is true: he is just a doll to play with.
Posted by samanthaf63 on February 11, 2010 at 9:24 AM
33
What's with the "maybe he's lousy at vanilla" anyway? Will you people READ the letter?

"I enjoy vanilla sex with him but the crossdressing stuff gets me noticeably more hot and bothered than the other stuff."

I agree with Dan, and with #32. Time for HER to be GGG for a while.
Posted by avast2006 on February 11, 2010 at 1:12 PM
34
I don't necessarily disagree with the advice; sometimes people really do just need some time to feel loved and accepted as they are. But I do have some reservations. Looking at the situation from DRESS's point of view . . . if her partner's been going through a "rough patch" for a year, chances are DRESS has felt like she's had to put her needs on the back burner in order to be supportive for that whole time, and is feeling like it should be "her turn" again. Hence some of the resentment about vanilla sex.

Perhaps it would be useful for them to have a talk, so that the partner can understand what DRESS likes so much about fantasy in her sex life. It sounds like he's thinking that her need/want for fantasy and BDSM is about him being an inadequate sex partner -- this is the kind of thing that is all too easy to believe when you're depressed -- rather than a deep-set aspect of her sexuality that she'd want to enjoy with anyone she was with.

As it is, having a vanilla-only phase "to prove that (DRESS) can be just as attracted to him without any of the kinky stuff" could backfire, since she's clearly NOT as attracted to him (or to anybody) without the kink.
Posted by wellwhynot on February 24, 2010 at 12:35 PM

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