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International North Korea Nuclear Test
Posted by Grant Brissey on Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:26 AM
or not?
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This is not a North Korean test. North Korea has only conducted tests in underground sites. It is still a cool video.
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Hmm, did the sound of the explosion happen to quickly? Usually, a large explosion like that demonstrates a delay between when you can see it and when you can hear it.
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I'm calling shenanigans.
1) That was just too easy to photoshop. The drab colors can hide a lot of glitches.
2) The absolute lack of context.
3) The lack of anything resembling confirmation. Come on people, nuke tests are easy to confirm, especially those in air/water. (Fallout? Seismographs? Satellite images? The big freaking boom for people with ears?)
So, until I get some confirmation and context, I won't believe it. Do I think North Korea has nukes? Of course -- anything simple enough that I could build one, they have. But this isn't the proof.
1) That was just too easy to photoshop. The drab colors can hide a lot of glitches.
2) The absolute lack of context.
3) The lack of anything resembling confirmation. Come on people, nuke tests are easy to confirm, especially those in air/water. (Fallout? Seismographs? Satellite images? The big freaking boom for people with ears?)
So, until I get some confirmation and context, I won't believe it. Do I think North Korea has nukes? Of course -- anything simple enough that I could build one, they have. But this isn't the proof.
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@4, nukes aren't all that "simple' to build -- as evidence, I cite that the US has "forgotten" how to make a key component of nuclear missiles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con…
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I believe it's real explosion but not an atomic one and done more afar than it actually looks. That could also be a shipwreck there tho the position in deep sea would make it somewhat unlikely.
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It seems a little odd that the boat didn't roll over...
Wired had an excellent series of movies showing atomic bombs being detonated.
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/…
Once you compare, it's pretty easy to see the video is a fake.
Wired had an excellent series of movies showing atomic bombs being detonated.
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/…
Once you compare, it's pretty easy to see the video is a fake.
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I like how the moored ship doesn't roll over at all!
You can compare this video to one of an actual underwater atomic bomb detonation blast. The former is definitely a fake. There is no shock wave and that boat would probably have been annihilated, or at least not upright.
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/…
You can compare this video to one of an actual underwater atomic bomb detonation blast. The former is definitely a fake. There is no shock wave and that boat would probably have been annihilated, or at least not upright.
http://www.wired.com/thisdayintech/2010/…
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Oh, that's just your typical SE asian dynamite fishing. As fish stocks become depleted you need to increase the scale of the explosion.
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Well, that looks like like it was shot with a very long lens. The ship is not nearly as close to the explosion as it may seem.
A quick (roughly ten seconds) google search unearths this:
http://tiny.cc/1K8xA
U.S. Test, 1958. Pretty similar looking.
A quick (roughly ten seconds) google search unearths this:
http://tiny.cc/1K8xA
U.S. Test, 1958. Pretty similar looking.
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Apparently I can't use tinyurl correctly. I meant to link to the following:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=…
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=…
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If you got to atomcentral.com, you can see a still from farther away.
http://www.vce.com/balloonetc.html
Operation Hardtack
Shot Umbrella (June 8, 1958)
Yield: 8 Kilotons
Location: Enewetak Atoll
Operations Crossroads (1946) - 1 underwater
Wigwam (1955) - 1 underwater
Hardtack (1958) - 2 underwater
Dominic (1962) - 1 underwater
http://www.vce.com/balloonetc.html
Operation Hardtack
Shot Umbrella (June 8, 1958)
Yield: 8 Kilotons
Location: Enewetak Atoll
Operations Crossroads (1946) - 1 underwater
Wigwam (1955) - 1 underwater
Hardtack (1958) - 2 underwater
Dominic (1962) - 1 underwater
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@6 it depends. An enriched uranium bomb, (Little Boy) is fairly easy to make if you can get enough U235. It wasn't even tested before being used on Hiroshima. Plutonium bombs are a different story. The trinity test was to prove that Fat Man would actually work. And Plutonium is a notoriously expensive material to make and equally difficult to machine.
But it's no surprise (at least technically) that nukes are proliferating. It is a 65 year old technology now, and the only real barrier is the massive technical and industrial infrastructure needed to make them.
But it's no surprise (at least technically) that nukes are proliferating. It is a 65 year old technology now, and the only real barrier is the massive technical and industrial infrastructure needed to make them.
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I love all these "you idiots, clearly fake for xyz reasons" comments until someone pointed out Hardtack (specifically, I think, the Umbrella test). Good to know we have so many accredited nuclear munitions experts around!
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@6, 7, 18:
No, I'm not the Sultan of Brunei. I'm just an MS in physics that doesn't have my head up my ass. As 18 pointed out, Little Boy, a U235 weapon, is simple to make. The hard part is getting the weapons grade Uranium, and then making sure it doesn't go off when you don't want it to. See wikipedia, as well as the book Atom Bombs: The Top Secret Inside Story of Little Boy and Fat Man by John Coster-Mullen. It's even easier if you can just build it in one place and set it off there (see the first H-bomb, Ivy Mike). More powerful bombs, missles that actually work -- those are hard. A simple Uranium bomb, pretty easy.
No, I'm not the Sultan of Brunei. I'm just an MS in physics that doesn't have my head up my ass. As 18 pointed out, Little Boy, a U235 weapon, is simple to make. The hard part is getting the weapons grade Uranium, and then making sure it doesn't go off when you don't want it to. See wikipedia, as well as the book Atom Bombs: The Top Secret Inside Story of Little Boy and Fat Man by John Coster-Mullen. It's even easier if you can just build it in one place and set it off there (see the first H-bomb, Ivy Mike). More powerful bombs, missles that actually work -- those are hard. A simple Uranium bomb, pretty easy.
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I THINK I SHOULD SUBSCRIBE HIM ON YOUTUBE..BCZ HE SAYS HE HAS MORE THEN 10000 + INTERESTING VIDEOS WHICH HE IS GOING TO POST VERY SOON
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