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Monday, February 1, 2010

Seattle Rejects State's Plan for 520, Calls for More Transit

Posted by on Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:40 PM

Armed with a poll that shows Eastside voters on their side, an alliance of urban neighborhood groups, city council members, the mayor, and Seattle’s full legislative delegation from the 43rd District stood abreast today to reject the state's plans for rebuilding the 520 bridge. In December, a legislative workgroup, comprising mostly out-of-Seattle interests, had recommended a 520 bridge that used six lanes for cars, unloaded more traffic into Montlake, built a second Montlake drawbridge, stood 30 feet above the water all the way across lake Washington, included an exit ramp next to the Arboretum, and failed to connect buses to the soon-to-be-built light rail station next to Husky Stadium.

“On the Seattle side, there is no more room for more cars,” said Fran Conley, ringleader of the Coalition for a Sustainable 520. “The current design may bring people more quickly across the bridge, but then they would be stuck in gridlock.” (Past reporting on the problems with this arrangement is here and here.)

Near freeway ramps hissing with traffic in Montlake, coalition members said they want to secure the two new bridge lanes for light rail and buses, kill plans for an Arboretum onramp, and shorten the bridge's height. Some spoke of connecting the transit on the bridge with the light-rail line that will stop across the Montlake bridge.

Ed Murray, Nick Licata, Mike McGinn, and a woman in blue.
  • Ed Murray, Nick Licata, Mike McGinn, and a woman in blue.

The unity suggests an overdue shift in Seattle’s transportation debate, which has been been an arena of discord among each strata of government, and confined largely to discussion about replacing the viaduct. “I want to applaud the mayor for getting involved,” said House Speaker Frank Chopp. “The previous mayor … was not involved in finding a reasonable alternative.” He added, “The mayor and the council stand united in opposing the current design.”

But closer examination reveals fractures in agreement and strategy among the mayor, council, and legislators; while it’s easy for Seattle to reject the the idea of a 1960s-inspired freeway, it’s harder to agree on what, exactly, could replace it and how to stop the state before it’s too late.

Over the weekend, State Senator Rodney Tom (who represents Medina, where the 520 bridge hits land across the lake) told seattlepi.com that “We're not going back” on the current design. This touches on the most pressing challenge for the new group: If the state begins construction on the Bellevue and Medina side—for a bridge that is supposed to be complete by 2014—Seattle could be locked into accommodating that bridge, making Seattle's potential designs moot.

“If you begin construction on one side, I don’t know what leverage we would have on the legislature,” State Senator Ed Murray said.

Asked if all of the members at the press conference agreed that construction couldn't begin until designs were cemented for the west side, everyone nodded yes. But that’s not exactly true. In a letter to the governor and the chairs of both the state senate and state house Transportation Committee last Thursday, the council asked for support making sure that Seattle-side bridge plans “will not be compromised by advancing the work on the Eastside and the crosslake bridge of the corridor.”

In other words, the council says construction can begin while others in the group say it can't.

“The council has sidestepped that issue to avoid a confrontation with the legislature and the governor,” said City Council Member Nick Licata, who didn’t sign the council's letter.

Fellow City Council Member Mike O’Brien agreed: “There is some timidity in asking what we want in the face of those relationships.” Is the council even united on this position? “If you asked nine of us, you wouldn’t get nine answers there,” O’Brien said.

More after the jump.

State lawmakers reveal disharmony, too. “Two bills passed in the last two years got us into this mess,” said Murray, referring to state legislation authorizing the 520 rebuild. When asked, Murray said he voted against the bill—Chopp and Rep. Jamie Pedersen voted for it.

More pressing than rehashing past disagreements, Licata says, “The trick is to convince the Eastside legislators that high-capacity transit on the bridge will be supported by their constituency."

To that end, the group revealed a poll showing support for the coalition's vision on both sides of the lake. Conducted one week ago by ConstituentDynamics, the survey asked, "How should the new lanes be used?” Sixty-nine percent of people living in Seattle and the Eastside chose “light rail/bus,” and Eastside voters actually supported the transit option slightly more.

But the next hurdle is on this side of the bridge. The leaders of the new coalition now must press beyond detesting the backward, anti-transit bridge approved by the state; they have to figure out what plan they want and how to block the state from steamrolling the city. "The dynamics of no are easier to articulate than the dynamics of yes,” said Licata. Moreover, while Seattle has noble visions of integrating transit, it’s unclear what they can achieve given the $4.65 billion spending cap imposed by the state (which holds the purse strings on state highway projects) or, if they want to spend more on transit, where that additional money would come from.

But it’s something they will need to decide soon. “We are not talking about years—we are talking about weeks or months,” said Murray.

 

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I'm 85 Years Old 1
"In December, a legislative workgroup, comprising mostly out-of-Seattle interests, had recommended a 520 bridge that used six lanes for car..." Dominic, who are these out of state interests and why are they making decisions for Seattle?
Posted by I'm 85 Years Old on February 1, 2010 at 1:51 PM
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I truly, truly hope that common sense prevails and we build a bridge with high capacity transit capability. It's the only sensible solution for trying to take that many people across the lake at rush hour.
Posted by Cale on February 1, 2010 at 2:09 PM
dnt trust me 3
First off, i apologise to slog; I rarely read the overly verbose posts all the way through. Lots of it i've surmised, is just " self congratulatory look mommy! i write for news people team and get paid!" (savage et al)

so since it's the terse-leaning comments which i'm here for, @1, perhaps the out-of-state interests will possibly move toward Seattle in the next 25 years, just as over half the Stranger staff has done, and who somehow have the audacity to critique the region.
Posted by dnt trust me on February 1, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Will in Seattle 4
The difference, @1, is that "stakeholders" is code for NON-VOTING interests.

Actual real voters, who are required for any such thing to occur (due to the required votes), will support a 520 bridge replacement with four total lanes (two each way) for cars/trucks/HOV and extra lanes for transit-only usage (e.g. one or two inner lanes for transit-only usage, preferably BRT that phases into light rail or light rail from the start).

Why inner lanes? Because of waves/corrosion/stability issues.

Why transit-only lanes? Because Seattle is not going to build more exit lanes for cars no matter what the state builds, or publicly-financed parking garages, but will build more light rail connections and/or BRT that phases into light rail.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 1, 2010 at 2:13 PM
Packeteer 5
So lets say we build all six lanes for cars only. Then in 40 years we add 4 more lanes for 10 car lanes? Then keep going? We can just take out every other block in downtown Seattle for ultra wide roads I suppose? I just don't understand the logic behind people thinking they can just add more roads all the time to solve the traffic problems.
Posted by Packeteer on February 1, 2010 at 2:16 PM
Fnarf 6
@1, how do you get "out-of-state" from "out-of-Seattle"? Fewer than one in ten state residents lives in the city,and the ratio has been dropping forever.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on February 1, 2010 at 2:18 PM
gloomy gus 7
My goodness, the photo really captures how beards are sometimes no more than combovers for double chins.
Posted by gloomy gus on February 1, 2010 at 2:22 PM
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Is Ed Murray sporting a beard, a al McGinn? Woof!

Hope to see you at Bearracuda, Senator!
Posted by Cuddly on February 1, 2010 at 2:27 PM
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Kudos to the mayor and councilmembers (how many were there?) and state legislators. This is a great opportunity for the mayor and city council to prove they can work together and coalesce around a solution.

It's unconscionable to think we would be building a bridge based on 1950s thinking when we need to be thinking about what's needed in the 2050s. It's like we're willing to sacrifice this region's economic competitiveness and quality of life because we simply refuse to imagine a world that's isn't built around unlimited automobile mobility.
Posted by cressona on February 1, 2010 at 2:43 PM
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One quibble though.

In the interest of accuracy, isn't Dominic oversimplifying a bit when he refers to a six-lane highway? Technically that may be true, but doesn't the plan the state wants call for four general-purpose lanes, plus two HOV lanes?

I realize this is a distinction without a difference. To expect that we'll be able to resist converting those two HOV lanes into HOT lanes (tolled Lexus lanes) is like expecting John Edwards and Tiger Woods would have been able to resist other women when they took their wedding vows.
Posted by cressona on February 1, 2010 at 2:45 PM
Will in Seattle 11
PI says the Gov is trying to force thru a roads-only version.

LOL.

Like we in Seattle and Bellevue can't kill that in about 60 seconds.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM
I'm 85 Years Old 12
@6 oops by misreading that is how. "Out of Seattle" interests makes a lot more sense.
Posted by I'm 85 Years Old on February 1, 2010 at 2:55 PM
nudesmurf 13
The woman in blue is cute.
Posted by nudesmurf on February 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM
Fnarf 14
What this does is show how out-of-sync the region is now. This bridge may land in Seattle, but it's a regional facility, and has significant implications for tons of people who have no interest in setting foot in Seattle. It's a shame that those people are so far apart from Seattle residents. This is a million miles from resolution, and we're getting further apart, not closer.

The idea that this bridge is going to be open for traffic in 2014 is clearly a joke at this point. They wouldn't make that deadline if they broke ground tomorrow.

You know those ramps to nowhere from the arboretum to the current bridge? I have visions of lots more of those. Maybe the whole bridge, if Tom gets his way and they start building without an agreement, and then we stop it. Nice clusterfuck you've got there, guys.

Having said that, don't be confused about which side I'm on. I do strenously agree that the new bridge needs train lines -- NOT just HOV.

Maybe we need to start negotiating with Tom for another interchange the size of the Montlake one right there in Medina city limits! What are we talking about, 3,000 people? There's half again that many just in Montlake, to say nothing of the UW.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on February 1, 2010 at 3:17 PM
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The woman in blue is Serena Lehman of Cascade Bicycle Club.
Posted by she is a great advocate on February 1, 2010 at 3:35 PM
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Sen. Tom's comments need to be taken in light of the deal(s) Medina/Clyde Hill struck with WSDOT on the alignment from I-405 to Evergreen Point early on in the process. That design is done, politically at least, and actually underway currently (utilities relocation, lid design, etc.)

Changing the west side alignment would not impact that process unless more lanes are added into the mix as I understand it. Six lanes or less (in any configuration) does not open the books back up on the Medina alignment design, mitigation, or impacts. Adding light rail or BRT on top of a six lane design may do that - and that would be a very bad thing from the Medina/Clyde Hill perspective.

Fixing the poor design in the Montlake area with respect to any form of transit should be a priority for the City, as should getting the Mercer Weave addressed (and I've forgotten if that was included in the A+ compromise, it was left out of the A option.) The Eastside was gung-ho on the eight lane options early on - which converts into a 12 lane design in Montlake/Portage Bay - so be careful of what we wish for. Unused BRT and light rail space will be converted to general use.
Posted by Action Slacks on February 1, 2010 at 3:35 PM
Will in Seattle 17
Actually, you could deliver it by 2014. We're already under way on the pontoons, and if they back down on the six lanes of cars madness in favor of four lanes of cars with two lanes of transit only, you can get the six lanes to open on time. Since you don't have an expansion of exit lanes with four lanes, only added transit, you open it with the existing retrofit/rebuild exits for cars/HOV/bus and let the transit-only lanes have a bus feeder at the start, with completion of the transit-only light rail staggered later.

Considering cash flow and bonding limitations from tolls, etc this would be fairly easy.

But the Gov has to realize that dissing Seattle just means you kill the required votes - since without the bulk of the votes that we near the bridge provide you can't get over the required number. This is what killed the Roads Plus Minor Transit version of PROP 1 that had to come back as Transit Only.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 1, 2010 at 3:40 PM
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Action Slacks @16: so be careful of what we wish for. Unused BRT and light rail space will be converted to general use.

Wow, that's one hell of a threat there Action Slacks. So if we don't acquiesce to two more car lanes, we'll get......drum roll......two more car lanes.

Your empty threat, though, does raise an interesting question. How does the westside's desire for transit-only lanes differ from the Eastside's desire for HOV lanes? How literally can those transit-only, rail-convertible lanes be prevented from being car-convertible?
Posted by cressona on February 1, 2010 at 3:53 PM
Will in Seattle 19
Technically, even if you put a barrier, so long as you make it bus-capable, cars could be switched to use it.

This is just sound and fury, being used to force Seattle and the nearby population to rise up and squash yet another lame-brained roads plan. Which considering the MJ legalization vote in November, means it will be crushed overwhelmingly.

The election numbers ended when we knew that we would have a tax on the rich and legalization of MJ on the fall ballot.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 1, 2010 at 4:04 PM
mrbombit 20
The bridge could absolutely be done by 2014. Saying otherwise is cynicism aimed at disarming the other side of the debate. Thank god the state has some sense. The bridge should have as many lanes as it can fit, and THEY ALL SHOULD BE FOR CARS! Newsflash, no one wants to wait for bus, train, light(but still in traffic) rail, etc on each side of the bridge. The uber liberal, socialist, everyone must bike to the train station, cars are evil, bikers have equal rights on the road crowd will not be taking any trains or buses to or from the east side(and these are the people who most espouse for mass transit and the removal of two lanes) because they would have nothing to do with those so called rich conservative east siders anyway. How many hipsters go to Bellevue everyday vs how many eastsiders DRIVE into the city to go to work(and generate tax income and the like that hipsters so conveniently fail to realize provide a substantial part of the city's revenue through the B & O tax etc)?

Seattle make it impossible for people from outside the city to drive to the city and shop. The current regime of progressives pushing mass transit might pretend to have a "regional plan", but in reality the system they would have Seattle create would have people bouncing back and forth from parts of the city no one wants to go to on trains that no one wants to ride(see low levels of light rail riders). Couple this with the parking situation and Seattle is creating an island for itself that hinders people driving into the city and shopping. But who cares right? Those car driving shoppers are probably evil car driving conservatives that drink oil and eat polar bears?
Posted by mrbombit on February 1, 2010 at 4:33 PM
Free Lunch 21
Sounds like a transit option would be much cheaper, since no infrastructure would need to be added to handle extra cars (assuming it's adequate now).

Has anyone compared the cost of of the two plans?
Posted by Free Lunch on February 1, 2010 at 4:43 PM
Free Lunch 22
@20: "The bridge should have as many lanes as it can fit."

Define "fit." These cars have to get off at some point, so adding lanes won't help unless you increase the amount of exit capacity. Right now, as we can surmise from the every-single-day jam on 520, exit capacity is inadequate, especially if your destination is downtown (where the shopping you crave is). If an eight-inch diameter pipe leads to a two-inch diameter pipe, the whole length of it might as well be two-inch.
Posted by Free Lunch on February 1, 2010 at 4:53 PM
Fnarf 23
@20, you're right, no one wants to ride the bus across 520. Except for the 11,000 people who already do, every day. That's about 10% of the people who cross it. The percentage is much higher during rush hours, when most of the transit ridership takes place. And that's for some pretty unpleasant, packed buses (I've ridden them). Put a train on there, and that number goes up; put a toll on the new bridge and it goes up even more.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on February 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM
Will in Seattle 24
Don't forget the bike riders that use the bus too.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 1, 2010 at 8:27 PM
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@20

Seattle has the highest population density in the state. No other region of the state can offer retail shopping venues more customers per square mile. No other region can offer them more foot traffic. No other region has as much tourism. No other region has our sports stadiums, hospitals, or museums. We don't need to destroy our city trying to get people from Bellevue to shop here. The worst mistake we could make would be to surrender quality of life for out-of-town shopping trade.
Posted by Judah http://www.suoxi.net on February 1, 2010 at 9:18 PM
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I know y'all are way digging being on that high Seattle horse and beating up on the Eastside, but it bears noting that about half of the traffic on 520 is people from Seattle going to and from their jobs.
Posted by Mr. X on February 1, 2010 at 10:07 PM
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@12

It's OK, Pops...
Posted by You Are 85 Years Old, after all... on February 2, 2010 at 6:42 AM
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So what is the dirt on Blue Lady?
Why is she posted?
Was she applying nail polish?
Farting uncontrollably?

don't be coy, now.....
Posted by is dominic just trying to get in her pants? eeeeuwwww on February 2, 2010 at 6:45 AM
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7
yeah
any chance Mayor McCheese will grow his past his gut?
Posted by BMI on February 2, 2010 at 6:47 AM
Kinison 30
I take the bus over 520 every day, have only 2 lanes in each direction is a major bottle neck. I dont own a care or plan on owning one, but to delay the project just so a mass transit lane can be installed is stupid (mind you, this is only for buses and light rail, not for 2-3 passengers car pools).

It would also help if they removed the stupid art platforms so that people stop slowing down to "appreciate" the "art". Same thing applies for planting flowers along the roadsides of 405, the only thing that should attack the drivers attention, should be road signs and other cars.

I wonder how many people on that poll were given a price quote for the new idea. 4.5 billion is pricey, how much extra for Option F? No seriously, wasnt there 5 options planned and they went with A? LOL! VOTE OPTION F!
Posted by Kinison http://www.holgatehawks.com on February 2, 2010 at 7:03 AM
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the guy in the green jacket doesn't look right to me...
Posted by Homelame Suckurity on February 2, 2010 at 9:50 AM
Will in Seattle 32
WSDOT meeting to gather comments on the 520 bridge will be Feb. 10, 1st floor lobby of the HUB at the UW, from Noon to 1:30 pm. And on Feb. 17, from Noon to 2 pm in the Rotunda Foyer of I wing in HSB at the UW.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on February 4, 2010 at 11:17 AM

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