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Thursday, January 28, 2010

Higher or Lower ATM Fees?

Posted by on Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 4:35 PM

Posted by news intern Jon Brock

Today in Olympia, state senator Randy Gordon (D-41) filed a bill that would impose an additional tax on banks and other institutions that charge ATM fees or surcharges in excess of $1.50.

The more the banks charge, the more the banks would have to pay. The bill would impose the charge "on the gross income of a financial institution from automated teller machine access fees or surcharges in excess of one dollar and fifty cents." In other words, everything over $1.50 would be taxed, says Gordon. If passed, the state would slap on a five percent tax on the gross ATM fees between $1.50 and $2.00, a 7.5 percent tax on fees between $2.00 and $2.50, and 10 percent tax on charges above $2.50.

For example, many of the Chase ATMs (and other banks, too) charge $3.00 per transaction. That's a $0.15 tax on the bank (10 percent of the amount over $1.50). One one hand, all those ATM fees could help the state generate revenue to help close its budget gap.

But there are two question this raises: Could this possibly persuade banks to drastically lower their expensive ATM fees? Or could banks just raise the price of those ATM fees even higher to make up for the tax? Regarding the latter, senator Gordon says, "I think not. If their repsonse is to go raise fees, then the leguslature can raise the rates." Gordon adds, "The higher their fees, the higher the amount the community will get back from those excess profits." The bill, which Gorton says has support from the Senate Democratic leadership, also mandates a review of the policy in 2015 to see if banks have raised ATM fees.

 

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Fnarf 1
Does this apply to the zillions of ATMs that aren't run by banks? Because they're pretty convenient, and I'd hate to see them disappear. Buying, maintaining, and filling cash machines costs money.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on January 28, 2010 at 4:36 PM
Dominic Holden 2
2) Yes, the bill refers to all "financial institutions."
Posted by Dominic Holden on January 28, 2010 at 4:42 PM
Will in Seattle 3
Just get a credit union account.

Zap - no fees.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on January 28, 2010 at 4:45 PM
Fnarf 4
@2, what I meant was, many ATMs in places like gas stations and convenience stores aren't run by "financial institutions" as I understand that term. They're run by Joe Blow and his little network of six ATMs.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on January 28, 2010 at 4:51 PM
Westlake, son! 5
Coming soon near you, an ATM that charges $3.30.

Schwab checking account for the win.
Posted by Westlake, son! on January 28, 2010 at 4:58 PM
DOUG. 6
ATM fees are for suckers.
Posted by DOUG. http://www.dougsvotersguide.com on January 28, 2010 at 5:16 PM
7
Dumb dumb dumb. What will this raise in revenue? Like maybe $100,000 per year. Let's say it raises a million bucks.

If your keeping score at home, that would be 0.1% of a billion dollars. And how many billions is the state in deficit?

Hey, that's one dumb idea down and only 999 to go!
Posted by Punditwatch on January 28, 2010 at 5:36 PM
Fnarf 8
@7, if it only raises $100,000 a year, it's going to cost the state money, because it's going to cost way more than that to administer.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on January 28, 2010 at 6:57 PM
9
get a schwab checking account and debit card and all atm fees become irrelevant. they are all refunded at the end of the month; even a vegas hotel atm that wants $5 will end up being free to use.

and they have the best credit card currently available too.
Posted by Swearengen on January 28, 2010 at 7:32 PM
10
Who uses cash anymore?
Posted by Davy Jones on January 28, 2010 at 8:52 PM
Toad in the Hole 11
@9 USAA does the same thing. And it rocks.
Posted by Toad in the Hole on January 28, 2010 at 8:53 PM
Amaliada 12
I spend most of the year in Greece, but since I live in Seattle, I keep most of my money in a local bank.

So, I have to use a local (Greek) ATM. Not only do I get charged $5 for using an out-of-network ATM (there are no "network" ATMs in Europe, I've checked), for years I also got charged for the exchange rate calculation (dollars to euros and/or vice versa). They did give up the exchange rate charge.

But we can't just take a lump sum of money out each month because 1) the exchange rate changes daily and 2) this is a cash economy. People don't use credit cards except when purchasing big ticket items (like cars) or at grocery stores. If you need a plumber, electrician, or your car repaired - you'd better have cash - because they don't take credit cards. Nor does the pharmacy or the doctor.

In one sense, cash is better because you don't pay interest on it and it alleviates some unnecessary steps toward destitution.

I don't know if this will raise money for the state or not, but it would be nice to not have to keep paying these fees, over and over.
Posted by Amaliada on January 28, 2010 at 10:19 PM
very bad homo 13
I remember when there were no fees. YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!
Posted by very bad homo on January 29, 2010 at 12:01 AM
Westlake, son! 14
@12 if you pay your damn credit card bill on time there's no interest. actually, you get money interest free for ~30-60 days, that's a hell of a deal. and can can get up to 3% cash back too now with some cards.
Posted by Westlake, son! on January 29, 2010 at 1:27 AM
Fnarf 15
@9, @11 -- wait, they refund fees you've paid to OTHER banks? Wow.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on January 29, 2010 at 10:34 AM
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@15 yeh i was quite amazed i even called twice asking what the catch was, there is none
Posted by Swearengen on January 29, 2010 at 10:59 AM
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Another option to avoid ATM fees is to get a reward checking account at your local bank or credit union. These are new free checking accounts that offer rewards in terms of high interest and ATM fee refunds if you meet monthly requirements. The toughest requirement is using your debit card 10 to 15 times a month (the number varies by bank). Search "reward checking" in Google to find banks offering these accounts.
Posted by KenBGD on January 30, 2010 at 9:13 PM

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