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Wednesday, January 27, 2010

Tobacco: Street Drug of Tomorrow

Posted by on Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM

Seattle Parks and Recreation is holding a public hearing this Thursday to give the public a chance to respond to their proposed Code of Conduct, which would ban using tobacco in public parks, among other behaviors.

The Code of Conduct, drafted by the Board of Park Commissioners (an appointed advisory citizen board) is receiving complaints for its vague and ambitious language, such as a ban on spitting in public parks, use of opposite sex restrooms, and other “conduct that unreasonably deprives others of their use or enjoyment of the park or park facilities” (consequently, the spitting and bathroom provisions were struck). Much of the behavior highlighted in the proposed code is already prohibited by state or local laws—acts like camping, littering, vandalizing, playing with explosives, gambling, and defecating in a public park, which prompts the question: why ban in if it's already illegal? The kind of people who are already playing with explosives or defecating wherever they please aren't going to be scared straight by a threat of banishment from a park.

Department spokeswoman Dewey Potter explained that the main purpose of the code is to give police a tool to use when on patrol. "We're trying to consolidate into a single document all of the behaviors that could get you kicked out of a park so that police and citizens better know how to handle themselves."

In addition to already illegal behaviors is a proposed smoking ban, which prohibits smoking, chewing, or other tobacco use anywhere on Parks and Recreation system property. The proposed smoking ban is cited as being a response to City Council members Tom Rasmussen, Nick Licata and Sally Clark, who called on the parks department to develop a tobacco policy last December.

However, Licata stated that he favors a restriction on smoking, not a total ban, and Rasmussen said his primary concern was to ban tobacco use around children and in crowded areas.

Our state indoor smoking ban already prohibits smoking within 25 feet of a door, window, or ventilation, which in a dense urban neighborhood basically restricts public smokers to parks, a few seedy alleys, and the middle of the street. If you take parks off the list, smokers are seriously screwed (single tear).

Which is assuming that tobacco users comply with the code of conduct—and let's be realistic here, most won't. Smoking is a legal, acceptable use of one's time. Playing with explosives while defecating in a public park is not. It's ridiculous to lump the these behaviors together and assign the same consequences to both.

Potter adds that the department has received over 100 emails commenting on various aspects of the code. "We're getting responses that are passionate about wanting parks to be smoke free and others who think it's overkill." So far, the board has not explored alternatives to a full smoking ban.

One alternative would be to regulate smoking, say, within 25 feet of a beach, playground, or athletic field (for the sake of continuity). Or 50 or 100 feet if necessary. Personally, I'd like to propose an amendment to ban individuals from offering tattoos to children in exchange for sexual favors, you know, just to cover all our bases. That, too, is unacceptable conduct for our city's parks, and I think a 24-hour park ban would give these people time to see the error of their ways.

The public meeting to discuss the proposed Code of Conduct will be held Thursday, January 28 at 7:00 p.m. in City Council chambers, 2nd floor of City Hall, 600 4th Avenue. Potter encourages people to send their testimony to sandy.brooks@seattle.gov if they can't make the meeting. The bottom line, she says, is "this code isn't yet complete but we're listening!"

 

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Urgutha Forka 1
If I can't smoke in the parks, then I'll just stick to smoking where I usually do. Hospitals.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on January 27, 2010 at 3:54 PM
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Can we ban fat people from beaches?
Posted by Little Red Ryan Hood on January 27, 2010 at 3:58 PM
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Yawn. The park tobacco ban works fine everywhere else it's been implemented, like most of the state of California. This is the same hysteria people had when the indoor smoking ban went into effect. They just need to specify tobacco so it doesn't affect Hempfest.

Not surprised that conservative Licata is taking the conservative stance he always does.

Full disclosure: I smoke.
Posted by Progressive smoker on January 27, 2010 at 4:03 PM
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I don't smoke and I think it's overkill. The demonization of smokers has reached hysterical levels. All the zero-tolerance anti-smoking people realize that they're breathing toxic fumes from any of a hundred other sources every second they're walking around outside anywhere in the city, right?
Posted by Proteus on January 27, 2010 at 4:20 PM
Will in Seattle 5
Personally, I figure we should just let people get a free shot at any smokers in public parks.

Mind you, if you wound them, you have to track them down and put them out of their misery.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on January 27, 2010 at 4:28 PM
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I can understand the rationale behind banning smoking due to second hand, but chewing? How can they possibly justify that? (And if your answer is "spitting", try again- many chewers swallow their spit. Besides, he just stated that spitting in a park was deemed legal.)
Posted by UNPAID COMMENTER on January 27, 2010 at 4:33 PM
w7ngman 7
This might sound hyperbolic, but I don't think someone smoking next to me is all that better than someone taking a crap next to me.
Posted by w7ngman http://userscripts.org/users/89370 on January 27, 2010 at 4:38 PM
TVDinner 8
I wouldn't mind a ban on smoking around bike/pedestrian trails. It fucking blows to get a lungful of secondhand smoke when I'm exercising, and that shit travels a long way.
Posted by TVDinner http:// on January 27, 2010 at 4:52 PM
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Ban it at Madison Beach. Too small, too crowded, too smokey.
Posted by Dan Savage on January 27, 2010 at 5:08 PM
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Well,this will at least drive hipsters, bums and the lower classes out of the parks, so that's good, right?
Posted by Davy Jones on January 27, 2010 at 5:37 PM
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Here's the most troublesome part about this report:

Department spokeswoman Dewey Potter explained that the main purpose of the code is to give police a tool to use when on patrol.


A "tool"? For the most part, the only tools police should need are radios, pencils, and probably guns. Knowledge of the law is necessary, but that's not a tool, it's knowledge. Giving them another excuse to hassle people for whom they have no other reason to hassle is bad news. If they see us doing something that seems to be unlawful, they should take action. Otherwise, they should leave us alone, and get on with enforcing laws. If they can't handle "bad guys" by observing unlawful behavior or evidence of such, taking notes, and getting those people in front of a judge, then they just need to try harder, not to be given an excuse to work outside the laws within they and everyone else are supposed to work.

It seems to me that people who are concerned with "giving police another tool" typically would be happy to give police the ultimate "tool": the ability to do whatever they feel is necessary without regard for laws, or for the Constitution. Fortunately, we are not living in a police state -- yet.
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on January 27, 2010 at 5:48 PM
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s/laws within they/laws within which they/
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on January 27, 2010 at 5:49 PM
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It's a "tool" to drive bums and gangbangers out of parks.

Great!
Posted by Davy Jones on January 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM
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Didn't The Stranger endorse Licata? Yeah, thanks for that one guys.
Oh, and wasn't it Licata who argued that a special election for the sea wall would cost far more money than the issue warranted? Yep, sure was.
What really irks me is that this smoking ban is that it is a total waste of the city's time and resources. I just want to see someone fucking try to enforce this ban. How are you going to keep me out of every city park for 24 hours? How are even going to address the problem of policing smoking in public parks? Hire hall monitors to keep tabs on every daily park visitor?
Maybe we should spend less time regulating human behavior and more time on, I don't know, whatever government does when it's not telling us what to do and who to fuck.
Posted by ephectic on January 27, 2010 at 7:40 PM
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You don't need to enforce it regularly. Hopefully the cops will use it selectively against bums and gangbangers so the parks can be used by civilized people.

Of course, it'd be good to bust the ocassional hipster because how else is a middle class, white boy with a college degree gonna feel oppressed?
Posted by Davy Jones on January 27, 2010 at 8:20 PM
razorclammer 16
"It's ridiculous to lump the these behaviors together and assign the same consequences to both." (on smoking/pooping/lighting fireworks)

Ridiculous? Is it really? I don't really know what you quantify as ridiculous, but I think these things are actually pretty lumpable. If you do much anything to offend someone in a pub, you get 86'ed. Seattle parks essentially has the same principles.
Posted by razorclammer on January 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM
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@15: "Hopefully the cops will use it selectively."

Ummm, the constitution of the good ole US of A specifically enshrines equal enforcement of the law.

We already selectively (and unconstitutionally) enforce too many laws. The most notable of which locally are drug laws, where street level users of some drugs are orders of magnitude more likely to be arrested.
Posted by gnossos on January 27, 2010 at 9:27 PM
w7ngman 18
#17 the phrase is "equal protection of the laws", not "equal enforcement of the laws".
Posted by w7ngman http://userscripts.org/users/89370 on January 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM
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Ephetic wrote:

How are you going to keep me out of every city park for 24 hours? How are even going to address the problem of policing smoking in public parks?


I don't know that these will be used in this case, but park exclusion notices are a way of doing this. We're not going to keep you out, but if our police don't like you, and they recognize you, then after they've given you an exclusion notice (purportedly for something that is discouraged, but not unlawful) if they see you in a park again, you will be doing something unlawful (simply being there after they told you to stay away) and they'll deal with you like the criminal that they just turned you into.

See how that works? Police officers dish out the punishment, basically giving you one warning first, for whatever reason they like or no reason at all. Maybe because you were smoking. Maybe because you look like "a bum or gangbanger". Maybe because you politely stood up for yourself and didn't kiss their feet enough when they came over to chat you up. No pesky judges or juries needed.

It goes something like this: "Hey, you! Leave. I haven't seen you do anything unlawful, but you're going to have to leave. Because I say so, if you are in the park any time in the next __ days, you will be in violation of the law, and if I see you here, you're going to be arrested, spend at least several hours in custody (maybe overnight), pay a bail bondsman at least $100 unless you can get someone to come down with at least $1000 for you and leave it at the courthouse, hire somebody at a couple hundred dollars an hour to help you with the legal stuff you need to deal with just right to avoid getting completely fucked, spend a day in court, and maybe pay a fine or do some community service. Got it? Sign here."
More...
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on January 27, 2010 at 10:52 PM
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Razorclammer wrote:

If you do much anything to offend someone in a pub, you get 86'ed. Seattle parks essentially has the same principles.


Man, where are you from? Do you understand the difference between private property, where it's up to the owner whether or not you can be there, and public property, where as long as you're not doing anything wrong, nobody has the authority to make you leave?
Posted by Phil M http://twitter.com/pmocek on January 27, 2010 at 10:56 PM
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@18 true re the phrase, but equal protection means you cannot have selective enforcement, which was my point.
Posted by gnossos on January 27, 2010 at 11:01 PM
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This was succesful in Singapore. Of course offenders will have to be caned in public
Posted by codswallower on January 27, 2010 at 11:09 PM

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