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Monday, January 18, 2010

A Little Trade

Posted by on Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 2:41 PM

Thatd be awesome.
  • komonews.com
  • That'd be awesome.

As mentioned in comments on the great Crush email debacle, KOMO Newsradio's Julien Perry replied-all to Crush's mailing list with this request:

...would you consider trading two radio spots (or blog posts, your choice) for 2 seats at the dinner? That'd be awesome. Thanks!

Julien

The dinner is Crush's $255 per person anniversary celebration. I emailed Julien a couple hours ago:

Hey Julien,

Did they take you up on this? How does this work, exactly? They get radio promo spots or blog posts written by you about Crush on KOMO radio/komo.com? Is this KOMO-approved practice?

Bethany

Still waiting for a response.

UPDATE: Julien Perry says her email to Crush above was a joke:

I mistakenly sent that as a sarcastic response to an earlier emailer asking for "trade" which I thought was inappropriate. Obviously, I did not intend for all of Seattle to see that email, just Jason and Nicole who I consider friends...

It is not my practice to ask for trade for ANYTHING and certainly not customary for my employer, Fisher Communications.

UPDATE 2: Jason Wilson, chef/owner of Crush, just emailed and telephoned to say that Perry's email was indeed a joke and that Crush never does any kind of trade for press:

As I am sure you are aware, friends and long time colleagues often joke light heartedly about many things in life. Whether it is personal or business, political or what have you; I would hope that you can understand this when considering the emails sent between Jay Soloff and myself and Julien Perry and Myself. As you know we are proud to have been in business for 5 years. I’m sure you understand how important our success has been and the importance of the restaurants perception is to Nicole and I (One of the most important reviews was our first..the Stranger). Our businesses success and perception is solely where it is because of the CRUSH experience. Any mention of “Trade” for any service at CRUSH is completely irrelevant, not true, and most importantly should be understood as false. Not only does it go against our principles completely, it is frankly not how we operate. I have known my customers for 5 years and counting and my friends (ay and Julien) far more and would hope you consider this when writing a blog post.

UPDATE 3: Here is the email that Perry and Wilson refer to above (that also went to the entire list):

Hi Nicole and Jason,

Would you consider letting me trade-out DeLILLE CELLARS, Grand Ciel and Doyenne wines in exchange for two seats at the dinner for Catherine and me? Please let me know. Thank you.

Jay

 

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burgin22 1
Me-ow!
Posted by burgin22 http://www.zombo.com/ on January 18, 2010 at 2:54 PM
2
Thanks for outing the payola practices running amok in the Seattle foodie scene. I note that though many media outlets received this email, you were the only one to actually out the person who started it all.
Posted by blogforfood on January 18, 2010 at 3:01 PM
3
Bullshit, Bethany. Should we get into all of the Stranger's unsavory/ethically challenged connections to businesses?
Posted by notaroadyouwanttogodown on January 18, 2010 at 3:07 PM
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More proof that only unethical people eat at Crush. Go fig - Crush would not be allowed to operate in California and most of Europe for their unethical business practices (torturing animals to soften their livers).
Posted by only very bad people eat at crush on January 18, 2010 at 3:11 PM
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What is the normal, ethical practice for news media (like the Stranger) to get free stuff? I mean, I know the Stranger gets books and concert tickets, etc. from publishers and promoters, etc. Does the ethical question simply turn on whether the free stuff is unsolicited, and simply lands in your in box, rather than being requested in exchange for a specific service by the news outlet (ie Julien Perry's request)?
Posted by Luckier on January 18, 2010 at 3:13 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 6
Pot, meet kettle.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on January 18, 2010 at 3:25 PM
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totally! you think all those low paid stranger staffer are getting to do all this stuff they right about because they are paying for it? Ha! i know em and i know how it works. and businesses on the hill should cut their advertising with them.
Posted by promter on January 18, 2010 at 3:34 PM
8
You guys are just pissed that you gave up two blog posts without getting any seats at the dinner.
Posted by Max J on January 18, 2010 at 3:50 PM
br@d 9
Regarding the update: I was on the email thread, and I think that seems totally plausible. I think at least one in three of us have all learned a hard lesson when sending a funny reply that became a wildly out-of-context reply to all.
Posted by br@d on January 18, 2010 at 3:59 PM
nipper 10
@ 7 I'm busted, I get to do all I RIGHT about!!
Posted by nipper on January 18, 2010 at 4:04 PM
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Really? Really? Julien's response sounds like a sarcastic quip taken out of context to me. As an independent blogger, I get plenty of free meals, but they're fully disclosed on my site. For someone working at a major company (and whose livelihood is on the line) the ethical bar is SO much higher. There's no way this was intended as a serious request - there's no way Julien would ever jeopardize her credibility and her career for a free meal.
Posted by seattlefoodgeek on January 18, 2010 at 4:09 PM
Porcupine 12
Crush would not be allowed to operate in California and most of Europe for their unethical business practices (torturing animals to soften their livers).

Care to name the European countries where foie gras can't be served? Sorry, but you are dead wrong.
Posted by Porcupine on January 18, 2010 at 4:17 PM
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So she's dumb not unethical? She saw that DeLille's message went to the whole list and then decided to reply to the email address anyway. So my little pony plausible. Incidentally, I wonder what Seattle Weekly will have to say about this since she writes for Voracious occasionally. Are there any restauranters willing to spill the beans on who else does this?
Posted by tinear on January 18, 2010 at 4:23 PM
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gosh, if only they had known about constant's sarcastic punctuation.
Posted by darlingash on January 18, 2010 at 4:25 PM
br@d 15
"my little pony plausible"?
Posted by br@d on January 18, 2010 at 4:30 PM
16
I don't think there was a hint of sarcasm in that email. It looks like payola to me and good for Bethany for calling them on it.

But I'm unclear about journalistic standards here, just like #5. Does the Stranger have a policy?
Posted by Michael Wells on January 18, 2010 at 4:46 PM
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nipper, how are you affiliated with The Stranger?
Posted by Please disclose. I'm not kidding. on January 18, 2010 at 5:04 PM
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@11: having worked for an large organization in the food & entertainment industry, trade like this happens all the time. It may not always be "ethical" but it not only is encouraged (particularly to save $$) but does usually result in favorable reviews.

Julien fucked up when she sent an all user reply (and accidental all-user replies also happens on occasion, you must admit). She got caught and her backpeddling excuse ("corroborated" by Crush) wasn't enough to cover up the truth.

But I certainly don't fault Julien and Crush specifically for being participants in this trade, as it's part and parcel of the industry, and I was a willing participant myself. As the old saying goes, don't hate the player - hate the game.
Posted by don't hate the player, hate the game on January 18, 2010 at 5:14 PM
Fnarf 19
@17, he works there. Are you completely clueless? See the big green letters, "STRANGER STAFF"? Christ.

Max @8 made me laugh out loud.
Posted by Fnarf http://www.facebook.com/fnarf on January 18, 2010 at 5:24 PM
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I don’t even know where to begin, so I'll just jump right in.

My name and professional ethics were dragged through the mud in this post by Bethany Jean Clement without real effort on her behalf to determine if her accusations leveled at me were true.

As you can see in the blog updates, there was no story to be had. If Clement had done any due diligence her post that damages my professional reputation likely never would have been posted.

The saddest part is that the shoddy journalism she wrongly accuses me of practicing in is exactly what she exemplified in the post itself. She called into question my ethics by failing to exhibit any of her own. To use Clement's own phrase: Is this Stranger-approved practice?

Here's the deal: My email was intended as a sarcastic response to a fellow diner on Crush's email list that requested two comped tickets for wine "trade." I thought it was in bad taste to even ask this of Jason, as the anniversary dinner is a star-studded line-up of chefs, sommeliers, and at a whopping $255 (minus wine), not a dinner you ask to attend for free. Obviously, I should have thought twice before hitting the "send" button on that one, but as Jason can attest (even though it was not clear to most reading the response), he took it as the sarcastic remark it was intended to be.

Before being hired as a reporter for KOMO, I had to sign my life away promising never to take "payola" and I would never compromise that, as I consider myself very lucky to have the job that I do. There isn't a chef in Seattle that I have ever asked for a free meal in the 15 years that I have been in the broadcast industry; that's just not how I work, plus, it's an easy way to get on a chef's @#$% list.

I wish I could say this incident won't happen again, but as we all know, stuff like this occurs all the time with emails when we least expect it. I'm just sorry my mistake was broadcast for all to see.

Julien
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Posted by Julien on January 18, 2010 at 5:32 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 21
Julien, it's always funny when I see The Stranger being accused of "shoddy journalism," seeing as there needs to be some semblance of journalism at all in order for it to be shoddy. Don't take these folks seriously - we certainly don't.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on January 18, 2010 at 5:44 PM
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nothing to see here, move along - the fact that this is a non-story didn't speak for itself so I'll let you know about it in a 7 paragraph comment
Posted by propayola on January 18, 2010 at 5:46 PM
23
I was on that email chain, and thought Julien's comment was pretty obviously a sarcastic joke.
Posted by Rebekah Denn on January 18, 2010 at 6:07 PM
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Is this the same moral high ground the Wilsons chose to take when screwing over many of their employees from overtime pay, thus resulting in investigation -- which they were found in non-compliance in DEC '09 -- by the U.S. Department of Labor? Of course they have to charge $255 per head for dinner -- the Wilsons owe more than $30k, an amount that was settled for pennies on the dollar, to nearly two dozen employees. For Jason and Nicole Wilson to claim any kind of ethical standards or preach moral high ground is beyond preposterous.
Posted by liars and traitors, oh my on January 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM
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@5 and 16: Stranger music and theater reviewers get comped to go to shows and plays, as is standard practice; publishers send review copies of books; movie screenings are either especially for press (and free) or on DVD (ditto); and The Stranger pays for the meals we eat when writing restaurant reviews.
Posted by Bethany Jean Clement on January 18, 2010 at 6:08 PM
gloomy gus 26
The Stranger oughta buy Julien Perry a seat at that dinner, no?
Posted by gloomy gus on January 18, 2010 at 6:17 PM
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Having dealt with the Wilson's/Crush on many occasions, I know they make these sleazy exchanges all the time. They have no integrity. By the way, if you attend the dinner, don't let yourselves be seated in the upstairs dining room. When they opened the upstairs, they were required to install a sprinkler system due to a fire hazard. Well, they only installed the sprinkler HEADS! I guess real sprinklers are too expensive. Bon Appetit!
Posted by uh...opps! on January 18, 2010 at 6:26 PM
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C'mon, Jay Soloff, do you really think you have any unscrupulous trading power with that overpriced shit for wine?
Posted by liars and traitors, oh my on January 18, 2010 at 6:49 PM
Cato the Younger Younger 29
Given this cluster fuck of e-mails I think I speak for many when I say "May Crush not have to worry about another anniversary"

*I will retract this if I get a free gift certificate*
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on January 18, 2010 at 6:52 PM
30
Are you kidding me, Clement? You've asked for freebies to priced events. In this case, Julien was being sarcastic.
Posted by Pot, Kettle on January 18, 2010 at 7:21 PM
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So a guy makes a wine/food trade request, a food writer makes a sarcastic joke, and the Stranger decides to start shooting reputations from the hip without doing any research?

With that sterling level of journalism, being free isn't enough - you're gonna have to start paying people to read this garbage.
Posted by Impressive! on January 18, 2010 at 7:44 PM
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Bethany Jean Clement is a peacock-fucking cunt. She also likes to lick baby turtles while pleasuring herself*

*These statements brought to you with the same level of fact checking as Bethany's original post. If any evidence to the contrary is provided, I will "update" the first post without issuing a retraction or apology.
Posted by Plurk on January 18, 2010 at 8:44 PM
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I just don't buy the sarcasm argument . If that comment was sarcasm then the woman is very, very bad at it.
Posted by Michael Wells on January 18, 2010 at 8:57 PM
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Most folk don't go around saying "That'd be awesome" unironically. Unless yr Eric Cartman.
Posted by jowntown on January 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM
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Clearly, no indication of sarcasm in Julien's tone or phrase. A lame attempt to cover one's ass. Whenever Jason does a dinner like this the first thing he thinks of is--What/Who can I buy with a few free dinners? Been there. Anyone who has had an extended business relationship with Crush should have their integrity questioned.
Posted by opps!!! on January 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM
David Schmader 36
To me, it seems clear that she's kidding.

That dorky wine-swap pitch started with "Would you consider....", Julien's almost-immediate follow-up started the exact same way: "...would you consider..."

So, yeah, I can totally buy that Julien was spoofing what she thought was a cheesy and inappropriate pitch from Wine Guy, by making a cheesy and inappropriate pitch of her own.
Posted by David Schmader on January 18, 2010 at 9:27 PM
37
Three things are clearly obvious to anyone with a brain. 1) JP was joking. 2) This kind of thing happens all the time. 3) BJC is a vindictive bitch for calling out JP for something that was an obvious joke, and a hypocrite for calling out JP for doing something that BJC has done herself.

That food bloggers in Seattle take freebies in return for public praise is a given. Happens all the time. (check out the weekly's bloggroll 2/3rds of the way down for a prime example). JP and BJC are "journalists" as opposed to "bloggers" so they would have you believe that they are above this kind of behavior. They are not. Press events by PR agencies are designed strictly to garner favorable press for free food and drinks. Can JP and BJC both say they've never taken a free dessert of free drink? I think not. They are not above reproach. However, comped drinks and desserts are a far cry from outright asking for press passes to expensive wine dinners in exchange to radio and print mentions. No true journalist would engage in such activity, and no true journalist would call out another without having the facts.
Posted by stephen s on January 18, 2010 at 9:39 PM
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I think we are all losing sight of the important issue.

How many positive comments do I have to make to score that wine, Jay? Because I think DeLille Cellars's Grand Ciel has a lovely mouthfeel and pairs beautifully with duck confit.
Posted by karion on January 18, 2010 at 9:55 PM
39
I wouldn't douche with DeLille Cellars' wines. Wait. Jay Soloff already stole that title/job. Douches of the feather flock together. Makes perfect sense he'd hit Jason up for a freebie.
Posted by liars and traitors, oh my on January 18, 2010 at 10:10 PM
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@37, Gastrognome? agreed!
Posted by momoney on January 18, 2010 at 10:19 PM
41
$255 per person? This meal comes with a happy ending, right?
Posted by Morning coffee on January 18, 2010 at 10:47 PM
42
Honestly, I don't mean to belabor this, but... now I'm just confused. Update 3 seems to indicate a scenario that was not clarified previously in the story. So - if you put Update 3 at the top of the story the tone changes - giving credence to the 'sarcasm' from the KOMO reporter? Wha...?

Here's what I'm curious about: what's up with food journalists and food establishments in this town? Lots of folks on this thread seem to indicate that something is a little iffy. Given the fact that blogs, weeklies, dailies all have significant revenue streams from the food industry am I supposed to give credence to these claims?
Posted by Michael Wells on January 18, 2010 at 10:52 PM
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@42, Exactly. BJC obviously didn't know (or care) about Jay's initial email reply before she attacked JP. BJC could have rewritten the story after getting that info (or realizing that it was integral to this "story"), but she was either too proud to edit her accusations based on a false premise or doesn't feel that journalistic integrity is worth having.

Either way, this is a black eye for the Stranger.

Posted by jhanson on January 18, 2010 at 11:06 PM
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I'm still not convinced that KOMO looks completely blameless here. I just want to know if this is a real story or a wacky 'email is so funny' story.

I'm going to bed now but, FYI, my dinner was a cold chicken breast and a shot of Maker's. I'm estimating it cost about 6 bucks.
Posted by Michael Wells on January 18, 2010 at 11:49 PM
45
Dear Cato the Younger Younger,
Knowing Jason & Nicole's track record, you could at least get a wrap around, if not a hummer.
Posted by liars and traitors, oh my on January 19, 2010 at 3:10 AM
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I'm a former Fisher employee who has spent a significant amount of time with the finance department accounting for each and every penny, I'm fairly confident that in no way are they trading anything without full disclosure their outside auditors can't see on paper. No way Julien would be able to get away with a trade that Fisher couldn't track financially.
Posted by capnjohnny on January 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM
47
So, when will we see the apology, Bethany Jean?
Posted by bigyaz on January 19, 2010 at 9:40 AM
48
Word.
Posted by jowntown on January 19, 2010 at 10:26 AM
49
If Julien Perry holds herself to such ethical high standards, where is her full disclosure that she's friends with the owners of Crush in this Seattle Weekly "Favorite Restaurants" article? I mean, she's writing about her friends, and not telling her readers. Seriously. http://bit.ly/8tXhhe

Posted by SouthSeattle on January 19, 2010 at 2:41 PM
50
@49,

Yes, I agree. This is the crux of it. From what I've seen in this thread it looks like there's too much back-scratching going on in the local foodie-blog/journalism circle. Afterall, even the appearence of a conflict of interest is problematic, and really, Perry's joking around (if that's all it is) about the fundamental principle of journalistic integrity with a beneficiary of her reportage, at the least shows a lack of professionalism if not of integrity.

If B.J. Clements main fault in making this post is not to see and excuse the humor potential in this kind of insider-banter between reporter and subject and to question what really might be going on, I hardly think she's the one to pile on the with demands for a retraction. Afterall, she just printed an email addressed to her. At the least, the glimpse she courageously provides into the foodie industry's apparently buddy-buddy relationship with its supposedly objective reviewers in the professional media is highly informative and she derserves thanks from diners everywhere. She has mine.

Posted by Edward on January 19, 2010 at 4:13 PM
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I'm with #50.

I think.
Posted by Michael Wells on January 19, 2010 at 5:57 PM
52
Here! Here! on @37. Sounds like BJC is afraid of a little competition. Really poor "journalism," which if The Stranger wants to be taken seriously (if it has ever been), should really be investigated.

Question to BJC: how many times have you been called out for posting something without fact-checking? I know you've had to retract certain stories in the past. Maybe you should consider this one lest your reputation flush down deeper in the toilet.

Shameful, seriously.
Posted by Disappointed in BJC on January 19, 2010 at 8:22 PM
NumberOne 53
That woman is a royal bitch who is in a ton of denial cause she got caught red handed. She would have been a lot more respectable if she played it off with a sense of good humour, but her reply in the comments above demonstrates to me that not only is she a dumb bitch but a horrible liar as well.

"...would you consider trading two radio spots (or blog posts, your choice) for 2 seats at the dinner? That'd be awesome. Thanks!
Julien"

Then:

"There isn't a chef in Seattle that I have ever asked for a free meal in the 15 years that I have been in the broadcast industry;"

I guess you don't need to ask for a free meal when you can just simply trade your employer's resources.
What makes it most evident it is not a joke to me is this:

"Obviously, I did not intend for all of Seattle to see that email, just Jason and Nicole who I consider friends... "

Okay, so she wanted it to be on the hush, yet it was a joke? Please don't insult the audience's intelligence.
Posted by NumberOne on January 19, 2010 at 10:29 PM
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Anyone who knows Julien knows she was being sarcastic in her email response. Fortunately, Jason knows, and he's really the only one who matters. You should be ashamed, Bethany, for this douchey behavior. I feel like you're trying to "out" someone for something they're not guilty of. The only thing Julien is guilty of is hitting the "reply all" button. I feel bad that she has been put in the position of having to prove herself in the court of public opinion when the public only has a 2-sentence email to judge (by the way, BJC, I like how you conveniently "forgot" to include the first several words of Julien's email which make it even more obvious she was responding sarcastically). And since when do chefs comp journalists a $255 dinner for a fucking BLOG POST!! I mean, is anyone actually taking this seriously?
Posted by Jennifer C on January 20, 2010 at 1:01 AM
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Jennifer C, you must be pretty naive to think that chef's don't make this trade all the time. How much do you think a paid radio spot on KOMO or a paid print ad in the Stranger costs? I'd say more than $255. No that I'm saying that Julien Perry was asking for such a trade. I think it's pretty clear she was joking. But it happens, and happens a lot. Just take a look at the blog someone talks about above, gastrognome. He seems to take freebies all the time and write (poorly written) glowing reviews about his experiences. And that is just some low rent blog that no one reads, vs. JP's much higher profile outlets.
Posted by fortran on January 20, 2010 at 8:22 AM
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There is a difference between radio spots (ads) vs. radio spots (Julien's KOMO features). Yes, I realize there are some people out there who deal in trade, but Julien's segments aren't sponsored, so this "trade" doesn't really apply.
Posted by Jennifer C on January 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM
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Do you really think there's a comparison between gastrognome's food-grubbing, poorly written bottom-feeder posts and a real journalist? (Real in that she is paid to do what she does)
Posted by Give me a break on January 20, 2010 at 10:37 AM
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first of all lets talk unethical, Bethany, lets ask your former coworkers about how you got the job at the Stranger? Oh yes, by spying on the Seattle Weekly for the Stranger. Julien is not a food writer, more like a food promoter, she doesnt critique food. Unethical? Yes it is, to post something so rediculous about someone without finding out any info or facts(potentially hurting ones career). By the way Bethany, when you email someone and they respond, the email won't end up in your spam box, dummy! whats careless is bloggers like Bethany who can post what they want, true or not! my experience is that bloggers are the ones who seek free things with that potential threat of a bad wrath for not doing so. Crush has already said that it was in fun, again this would not be a story if Bethany would have done any kind of due diligence before her careless post. this is the perfect example of a blogger being able to post whatever truth or not without any repercusions. Shaddy Bloggers to me are like pan handlers, except there signs should read "will blog for food" I really sense alot of jealosy and animosity in this attempt to ruin someone elses career, shame on you Bethany, shame on you!!!
Posted by C.D.C on January 20, 2010 at 11:52 PM
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This feeble attempt by Bethany at defamation of character has absolutely zero redeeming value to readers. Furthermore, shoddy reporting and conveniently neglecting responses and later editing them to present a vindictive lie strike against the values of fair and balanced reporting. That is unethical.
Posted by Chris Nishiwaki on January 21, 2010 at 12:05 PM
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C'mon, Chris. You're only saying that because you're boning her.
Posted by RideItChris on January 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM
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This is a sad sad sad example of the caustic nature of a shallow human being, and a rampant bunch of haters.
1. Food people are friends, Seattle is a small city, so sorry seattle anyone who is writing about frestaurants and bars and is not friendly with the bevy of talented chefs in this city should not be trusted. We no longer live in a media world where the ominous reviewer skulks into a place and reviews undetected. Food writing and review has become something of an ongoing dialog, and writers, eaters, and restaurant people reep the benefits by becomeing a better tighter community... so suck it if you say Julien can't objectively write about the things and people she knows.

2. The stranger writes about restaurants that pay for ads!!! rarely, except for restaurants stealing all the buzz do they talk about anyone else. Then they bash anything that is not hip enough, too hip, or just the right amount of hip but being infected by the not hip, thus making it not hip...

3. Have you ever had a conversation with Julien?... bitch is funny... and snarky and awesome, and I've only met her in passing. No doubt she made an off hand remark and this bottom feeder with too much time and not enough self worth got her panties in a wad about.. it's like freaking twilight with the reader / weekly battle, and the gaggles of bloggers scratching away a living and often preying on each other...
E. Most people don't get paid for the food they are writing about, and that little story you just read about the best mac and cheese in the city, that you are now just dying to try? there were 15 servings or so that probably went into that ranging from 5-12 bucks... I'm not saying it's a hard knock life but for christs sake find something else to be pissed off about.
And since when did the freedom to say anything give you the right to say ANYTHING some of you people are just mean..

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