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Friday, January 15, 2010

The Supremes: What Are They Saying By Taking the R-71 Case?

Posted by on Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:44 PM

By announcing that it will weigh in on a lower-court's ruling to release the names of Referendum 71 petitioner signers, the Supreme Court could be foreshadowing that they plan to overturn the previous decision. If that happens, people in Washington could sign any petition—to legalize pot, back a Tim Eyman measure, a referendum to put gay marriage on the ballot (if the legislature ever passes it), etc.—without any way for the public to identify them or determine if their signatures were legal. Or maybe the Supreme Court wants to do the opposite: Once and for all decide that the names of bigots, pot heads, and tax freaks need to remain public. It's impossible to know, really. What do the experts think?

"We think the 9th Circuit's ruling is correct, so we're disappointed that the Supreme Court is reviewing it," says ACLU of Washington's Doug Honig. He says the case is moving quickly and the ACLU will soon file a brief asking the high court to disclose petition signature names.

Jennifer Pizer, marriage project director for Lambda Legal, adds that the case raises Constitutional questions. Stepping out of the Prop 8 Trial underway in San Francisco to share her thoughts, Pizer says the decision to take the case “is not necessarily a sign of how the Supreme Court will vote" but the court is "intrigued" by questions about what the U.S. Constitution requires regarding the public's right to have information about making laws.

Perhaps most noteworthy about this case is the timing.

Many have said that this is not so much a case about gay rights, but about good government. That’s technically true. "Anonymous participation in the initiative process would eviscerate several longstanding government-accountability measures in Washington state," former Republican state representative Toby Nixon, director of Washington Coalition for Open Government, told the Stranger in September. The group has joined the lawsuit to advocate that the names of R-71 signers be released. But the reason this issue is going to the Supreme Court now has everything to do with gay rights.

“There have been contentious initiatives about affirmative action, women’s reproductive rights, immigration, the death penalty, and taxes,” Pizer points out. Those issues “are as heated, if not more heated, than the disagreements about LGBT equality,” but “proponents of anti-gay initiatives and referenda have demanded concealment in a new way recently.”

“It happens that anti-gay groups are trying to closet themselves contrary to longstanding open government laws,” Pizer says.

She dismisses claims that "anti-gay activists face harsh treatment from which they should be protected." She says, "It is gay people who are the subject of pernicious propaganda during the these various state campaigns."

Nixon, reached by phone today, says the court "must consider it to be a challenging issue or they would have just let the 9th Circuit decisions stand." He adds, "I'm thinking that maybe they want to be more emphatic about it."

Any lawyers lurking in the corners of Slog with thoughts on today's development?

 

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Read Justice Breyer's witty, lucid, withering dissent in the Supremes' 5-4 ruling on televising Prop. 8.
Posted by edmund burke on January 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM
Will in Seattle 2
I think they're saying they don't want to have to wear makeup to do their job.

Well, except for Antonin Scalia, he's a drama queen.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on January 15, 2010 at 4:14 PM
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It's not hard at ALL to guess what they're doing or which direction they'll go. 5-4 decision striking down the lower court's ruling. They're not "intrigued" by constitutional questions. Good God, Pollyanna, talk about whistling past the graveyard. Have these people paid any attention whatsoever to the Roberts/Scalia court and their agenda the past few years?
Posted by bobbyjoe on January 15, 2010 at 4:30 PM
Jaymz 4
While my Ninth Circuit admission goes back to 1981, I've never made it to the US Supremes, but I do know that there is way too much second-guessing when it comes to the reason a particular issue is accepted. The same amount of effort goes into each side regardless of the reason. Let's just sit back and see what happens (and support the Ninth Circuit position on this one.)
Posted by Jaymz on January 15, 2010 at 4:31 PM
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Basically (and I'm stating this very inarticulately) SCOTUS takes on cases when the issues involved in the case are of significant constitutional importance and/or involve unique questions of law not previously addressed by the court. The court's decision to take on a case really isn't an indication that they intend to rule one way or another.
Posted by Victoria Lucas on January 15, 2010 at 4:37 PM
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As a lawyer who has read all the briefing in this case, I am puzzled by something (very technical and lawyer-y): It all seems very premature for SCOTUS to get involved.

At this point, no court has substantively ruled on anything in this case. The only issue decided by the District Court was a preliminary injunction, in which he stayed the release of records prior to his decision on whether the records should be released. He said "keep them private pending a decision on the merits."

All the 9th Circuit said was "don't keep them private pending a decision on the merits" because the signers hadn't demonstrated that they were entitled to preliminary injunction.

There are different presumptions and burdens for the parties to overcome depending on whether a court is deciding a preliminary injunction or deciding the merits.

Consequently, I think there's a small possibility that SCOTUS is using this case to re-examine/clarify its decision in "Winter" (i.e. what are the standards for issuing a prelim. inj.) rather than looking at the free speech vs. open government question.

Granted, a decision on the prelim. inj. standard would likely go a long way toward indicating how they thought the merits question should be decided (for reasons that would be difficult for me to explain to a non-lawyer).
Posted by Lurking and trolling lawyer on January 15, 2010 at 4:52 PM
Will in Seattle 7
You know, if we got rid of all the activist Justices on the Supremes, Obama would have to replace five conservatives with moderate choices.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on January 15, 2010 at 5:01 PM
Loveschild 8
You know Dom they could be simply sayin that the people have a right to gather signatures for a petition without fear of persecution, or harassment. The argument that someone like you could somehow do a better job at verifying signatures than the state simply falls flat on its face, and if your view is goin to prevail then we might as well required that casting votes be made public for anyone to see and 'verify' also, just to follow your logic.

There's more than just anecdotes for the Supremes to look at. They can see factual evidence of what your side has done in other places.

http://www.sacbee.com/295/story/1627790.…

Posted by Loveschild http://www.samaritanspurse.org/index.php/articles/responding_to_haiti_earthquake/ on January 15, 2010 at 5:16 PM
SchmuckyTheCat 9
Having read the briefs, there are two slam dunk issues why SCOTUS shouldn't take it. 1, it is too early of an issue and there isn't any court split, 2, the obvious evidence that is in the record of just how transparent the process already was.

By already was, I mean they pointed out that the signatures are signed in public, the public can read the signatures while they walk by, the organization gathering signatures gathers extra information like phone and email and keep all the information in their marketing databases (which certainly isn't private), and the signatures and information were all available for public viewing during the signature verification (at the demand of the people requesting this case!).These signatures and addresses were publicly available for months, just not published by the state.

SCOTUS either wants to make some really ideological statement (BAD!) or they are picking it up for some procedural reason (could go either way).
Posted by SchmuckyTheCat on January 15, 2010 at 5:38 PM
COMTE 10
For (your) God's sake, LC - LEARN TO USE FUCKING SPELL-CHECK! It's hard enough to read your insane rantings without having to try to parse your abysmal spelling and fragmented sentence construction at the same time.

And really, if I weren't eating while typing I would literally laugh myself silly at the convoluted "logic" of your "argument": bigots must be protected from "persecution and harassment" so that they can continue to persecute and harass the people they're afraid of - that's about the extent of it, right?

Oh, and you had to go back nearly a full year to find ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of this dreaded "harassment"? WELL BOO-FUCKING-HOO! So, Mr. Leatherby (a name like that and this guy ISN'T Gay? That's just a shame) was being picketed and got a few "harassing" phone calls - well, now he knows how GLBT people feel EVERY DAY! Still, he's lucky: nobody's trying to beat him senseless, or tie him up and drag him behind the back of their pickup truck, you know, like people like him do to "queers" on practically a daily basis.

For every one example of so-called harassment against Prop 8 signers, there are probably 100 examples - hell, 1,000 examples - (all documented and verified for your edification, no doubt) of GLBT's being harassed, beaten and murdered just because of who they happen to love.

Must be hell for you people when a couple of phone calls and a sign or two can instill such abject fear. Try having a few teeth knocked out, or some ribs broken, or maybe multiple stab wounds - or worse - and THEN come back here and tell the rest of us how "persecuted" you and your pathetic, mewling, puking, bigot-assed friends should feel.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: whoever you are, you are now and always shall be a stupid fucking cunt.
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Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on January 15, 2010 at 5:46 PM
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The odds of a favorable Supreme Court review of a decision from any circuit are pretty much in the crapper, and for the 9th Circuit, especially so:

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/29/…

I'm assuming SLOG is going to F up my link since I'm not "registered," so I'll add that the reversal rate in 2009 was 94% for the 9th Circuit, according to the L.A. Times article.
Posted by nightlifejitters on January 15, 2010 at 6:01 PM
Original Andrew 12
Since when has the Supreme Court given a shit about government accountability?
Posted by Original Andrew on January 15, 2010 at 6:26 PM
Roma 13
Leatherby decided to support Proposition 8 after Catholic Bishop Jaime Soto called and asked for the family's support.

"We didn't hesitate because the institution of marriage between a man and a woman is something we believe in," said Leatherby.

He was unaware that his donation would be public. Still, he does not agree with recent efforts by the Yes on 8 side to keep donor names concealed. "I think things should be out in the open. We shouldn't start keeping this secret."


I don't agree with his support of Prop 8 but at least he's willing to stand behind his beliefs, unlike the people who want to keep the names of Ref 71 petitioner signers secret.

Posted by Roma on January 15, 2010 at 7:22 PM
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It's hard for me to understand how the issue -- "Should signing a petition to place legislation on the ballot be anonymous?" -- has any partisan or ideological component.

It could cut against right, left, center or even Martian depending on the specific issue and the jurisdiction.

My own sense is that anonymity should NOT be allowed. But if I lived in a heavy right-wing state where liberals faced sanctions and hassles from neighbors, I might see it differently.

At any rate, since in this instance both sides acknowledge that privacy is the issue so as to prevent (or allow) harassment/public knowledge, I think that neither side has the equities.

On the one hand we have anonymous voting. On the other we have public testimony in court and before legislative bodies.

I guess all I am saying is that no one should be quite so sure where their own personal interests, in the long run, actually are.
Posted by David Sucher http://citycomfortsblog.typepad.com/ on January 15, 2010 at 7:55 PM
elenchos 15
It isn't true that the public would not have any way to determine if the signatures were legal. The public could rely on the the office of the Secretary of State to validate the signatures. We rely on government agencies and trusted professions every day to validate confidential information and ensure individuals aren't gaming the system.

That's like saying the names and addresses of everyone with a prescription drug should be published on a webite so obsessives and insomniacs could sift through the names and check to see if the prescription was warranted. Because for some silly reason we no longer trust their doctors to decide.

The only supposed benefit of putting these names on a web site is crowdsourcing checking the signatures. Like that's a reliable method. What is some blog going to announce, "Yeah, all 25,000 names check out! At least according to the emails I got from ScoobyGrrrl1974 and ph4tHAXOR@gmail.com!"

What a lie. The purpose is intimidation.

And what's new about this is not that it's about gay initiatives. What's new is the ability to use the Web to publish the information. Dusty binders in an archive somewhere are too hard for the loose cannons to find, but this becomes a catalyst for fear and harassment when put on a web site that any moron can access in five secons. It's technology that has driven the need for change in the way these names and addresses are handled.
Posted by elenchos on January 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM
Sargon Bighorn 16
Ms. Elenchos you foxy thyang, how did you know that was my email address? Write me!? You turn my crank with that mind of yours. I could just eat you now.....Eawwwww
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on January 15, 2010 at 10:47 PM
Quincy 17
@15 - Your hostile writings intimidate me so. The nanny state orders you to conceal yourself forthwith. We shall not brook this intimidation, one to another.
Posted by Quincy on January 15, 2010 at 11:23 PM
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The whole point of this argument has nothing to do with the issue on it's face. The reason it's gotten so far so fast is that the USSC wants to come down on the side of corporations. What it's going to do is shut down open records requirements and spending limits.

Somebody with serious connections got this through the court system.
Posted by stcrispy on January 16, 2010 at 12:52 AM
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I think it's high time we took the hoods off the bigots, don't you?
Posted by Brandon J. on January 16, 2010 at 11:15 AM
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Q:
"The Supremes: What Are They Saying By Taking the R-71 Case?"

A:
"Prepare to be Reamed, HoBags."
Posted by DwightM on January 17, 2010 at 8:17 AM
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As a WA native born and breed, now living in the Deep South, one of the top benefits of GA is the lack of the initiative and referendum processes. State and local officials do the job for which they were elected, or we fling them out. No Deep-pockets trying to package and sell themselves as people's initiatives (Paul Allen's Qwest Field). No Tim Eyman. No 'Permanent Offense'. No initiative industry. Georgians don't have to expensively run to the polls every year (sometimes more than once) in order to make policy.

Washington passed a law in 1914 banning the use of paid signature gatherers--a law overturned by the 1988 Meyer vs. Grant, 486 U.S. 414 SCOTUS.

Time has long passed the need for these late-19th/early 20th Century populist tools. Mob rule through initiative or referendum is not a healthy endeavor. Majorities voting on minority rights is simply wrong. R-71 should never have seen the light of day.

Posted by Laurence Ballard http://aseriesofsmallacts.blogspot.com/ on January 17, 2010 at 2:37 PM
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Given the vote on the broadcast of the Prop 8 trial being justified as protecting the anonymity of people testifying and the similarity here, it is hard to imagine them going in a different direction. However, lurking and trolling lawyer's comments on the standards issue are intriguing, and I for one would love to see more on that here.

But let's keep in mind what a victory it is to lose these two fights. Who would have thought 10, even 5, years ago that bigots would be begging the courts for the right to testify or petition privately because they feared retribution for their views while openly gay activists fight for transparency. It's almost enough to make me feel like the war is decided and we're just haggling out the niceties of the treaty. Except of course for the teensy-weensy detail of still not having actually established the legal rights at issue.
Posted by avicenna on January 17, 2010 at 6:16 PM

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