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It's just too bad for the family of the guard he killed that he couldn't have gotten a guilty verdict first. But dead is good.
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Wait, what? Define 'holocaust denier'. Then tell me what part of that definition is, or should be considered a crime.
Don't confuse holocaust-museum-shooter with holocaust denier, or questioner-of-historical-accuracy-of-holocaust-accounts.
Would this be deniers of all, or any holocaust, or just THE holocaust? Please clarify.
Don't confuse holocaust-museum-shooter with holocaust denier, or questioner-of-historical-accuracy-of-holocaust-accounts.
Would this be deniers of all, or any holocaust, or just THE holocaust? Please clarify.
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Throwing all Holocaust deniers in jail certainly seems to violate the First Amendment. I mean, freedom of speech also applies to dumb things as well.
Throwing all deranged shooters in jail, on the other hand, is simply good governance.
Throwing all deranged shooters in jail, on the other hand, is simply good governance.
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Yes, denying the Holocaust is not illegal here. It is in ten European countries, though, Germany included. Guess they're trying to short-circuit that whole slippery slope.
Still, there's nothing wrong with wanting them all to die, is there?
Still, there's nothing wrong with wanting them all to die, is there?
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You gotta believe that Ahmadinejad -- who is hateful but not stupid -- knows very well that the Holocaust happened. He's just loves to get Westerners riled up and score points with Islamic jihadist types and other Israel-haters.
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In particular, Pierre Vidal-Naquet criticized the wording of the petition as "scandalous", saying that it implied Faurisson was a serious researcher and not a propagandist:
Touché, Pierre!
What is scandalous about the petition is that it never raises the question of whether what Faurisson is saying is true or false, that it even presents his conclusions or "findings" as the result of a historical investigation, one, that is, in quest of the truth. To be sure, it may be argued that every man has a right to lies and falsehood, and that individual freedom entails that right, which is accorded, in the French liberal tradition, to the accused for his defence. But the right that the forger demands should not be conceded to him in the name of truth.
Touché, Pierre!
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Slippery slope to... what, exactly? To people being able to say "it's okay to be gay" back in the 60's, when homosexuality was classified as a mental illness? Is it good for the government to decide what's acceptable to say, and what's not? Remember, Republicans held both the Senate and the House until 2006.
Well, not for the morally bereft, but it's a rather short-sighted point of view. I want some of them to stick around, just a few hardcore Holocaust deniers, so we can point to them and say, yes, they really did exist. It's easy for kids in urban areas to think that rant bigotry doesn't exist anymore.
Yes, denying the Holocaust is not illegal here. It is in ten European countries, though, Germany included. Guess they're trying to short-circuit that whole slippery slope.
Slippery slope to... what, exactly? To people being able to say "it's okay to be gay" back in the 60's, when homosexuality was classified as a mental illness? Is it good for the government to decide what's acceptable to say, and what's not? Remember, Republicans held both the Senate and the House until 2006.
Still, there's nothing wrong with wanting them all to die, is there?
Well, not for the morally bereft, but it's a rather short-sighted point of view. I want some of them to stick around, just a few hardcore Holocaust deniers, so we can point to them and say, yes, they really did exist. It's easy for kids in urban areas to think that rant bigotry doesn't exist anymore.
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@14: Look at all of the new, restrictive laws on our books because of 9/11. Overreaction? Absolutely. Now picture If your country - including people you know - participated in killing millions of Jews. You'd probably do whatever you could to see that never happened again, even if it curtailed peoples rights.
Maybe they overreacted in creating this law. I'm just saying it's pretty fucking understandable.
Maybe they overreacted in creating this law. I'm just saying it's pretty fucking understandable.
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To deny that the Holocaust took place is to slander those who went through hell under the Nazis by claiming that their stories are fabricated. Slander is criminal, no?
Anyone who denies the Holocaust is either dogmatic and knowingly deceitful or just an idiot. Do you think that the 3rd Reich made up all those meticulous records they kept of how many were killed when and where? The evidence is overwhelming. And I say that the first Neo-Nazi that comes within arm's reach of me shall be lucky if he walks away with his throat still attached to the rest of him. Such scum make my teeth chatter and itch.
Anyone who denies the Holocaust is either dogmatic and knowingly deceitful or just an idiot. Do you think that the 3rd Reich made up all those meticulous records they kept of how many were killed when and where? The evidence is overwhelming. And I say that the first Neo-Nazi that comes within arm's reach of me shall be lucky if he walks away with his throat still attached to the rest of him. Such scum make my teeth chatter and itch.
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First off as far as I can tell he wasn't a holocaust denier.
Second off it is rare to meet a holocaust denier. Who the media call often label "holocaust deniers" are simply folk that point out that the majority of people that were killed in the holocaust weren't jewish, in terms of historical mass murders and genocide the WWII holocaust is nothing, and even in the 20th century it was nothing; the germans and soviets together killed more polish civilians (intentionally) than Jews and the Soviet extermination of germans in East Prussia was comparable.
My point here isn't to argue the holocaust, just pointing out that this guy wasn't a holocaust denier, just a racist neo-nazi which is different.
But then again I expect plenty of flak given the left is as bad as the right on drinking the kool-aide (holocaust, smoking cessation, global warming being bad, free markets being bad, religion is bad, etc etc)
Second off it is rare to meet a holocaust denier. Who the media call often label "holocaust deniers" are simply folk that point out that the majority of people that were killed in the holocaust weren't jewish, in terms of historical mass murders and genocide the WWII holocaust is nothing, and even in the 20th century it was nothing; the germans and soviets together killed more polish civilians (intentionally) than Jews and the Soviet extermination of germans in East Prussia was comparable.
My point here isn't to argue the holocaust, just pointing out that this guy wasn't a holocaust denier, just a racist neo-nazi which is different.
But then again I expect plenty of flak given the left is as bad as the right on drinking the kool-aide (holocaust, smoking cessation, global warming being bad, free markets being bad, religion is bad, etc etc)
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