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Homo Caribbean Queen
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:19 PM
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Well, only if you like former Spanish colonies that were captured by pirates and given to the English, Matt.
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We had our honeymoon in Bonaire, after our wedding in Seattle where we asked our guests to donate money to the HRC in lieu of gifts. It's nice to see things come full circle in a circuitous way.
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Caribbean Queen
Now were sharing the same dream
And our hearts they beat as one
No more love on the run...
Appropriate lyrics for this historical occasion. I love that Billy Ocean song.
Now were sharing the same dream
And our hearts they beat as one
No more love on the run...
Appropriate lyrics for this historical occasion. I love that Billy Ocean song.
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Feel free to tell us all when Curacao, Aruba, etc. were "captured by pirates and given to the English", Will.
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Hey, I'm named after her mama! Not that that has anything to do with anything, but, you know, yay for Dutch royalty. Apparently my Protestant Dutch side (mom’s family) won out over my Irish Catholic side (dad’s family) when it comes to my views on gay marriage.
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While we're at it, Will, we still need a link to an "international business news" story about Fox getting the boot from all those cable companies.
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yes pirates quite commonly took over prize Spanish colonies. that's because back in th 1600s Spain was a tiny, feeble power, especially in the Caribbean.
Then the International Court of Justice intervened and by the 1700s dispossesed the pirates and gave those islands to the English. this was because by then, it was clear the English are the best colonialists, given their humane treatment of slaves in Jamaica sugar plantations.
Then the International Court of Justice intervened and by the 1700s dispossesed the pirates and gave those islands to the English. this was because by then, it was clear the English are the best colonialists, given their humane treatment of slaves in Jamaica sugar plantations.
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@6 ftw.
Fnarf for not getting that the original SLOG post said snide things about Jamaica, mon. Which means pink sand in his flippers.
Fnarf for not getting that the original SLOG post said snide things about Jamaica, mon. Which means pink sand in his flippers.
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Will, for you I hereby initiate "FTL", "for the loss", which shall henceforth be virtually attached to every post of yours in which one random word of the thing you think you're responding to triggers a little spurt of even more random anti-knowledge from your impressive hoard of the stuff. I.e., all of them.
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Just ran across this on Wikipedia the other day in regard to the Dutch royal family--in the article on Princess Máxima, wife of Dutch crown prince Willem-Alexander (Queen Beatrix's eldest son):
[Princess Máxima] is one of the few royals in the world to be an open supporter of gay rights and was the first royal to attend an LGBT rights conference. The Princess signed an accord at the end of the conference calling for the full acceptance of gays in The Netherlands. "The Princess is in favor of equal rights of all groups in the Netherlands," her spokesperson said. Queen Beatrix has spoken out a number of times in support of LGBT rights.
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Great tourist stuff - have been there many times. Go, enjoy, and yes the water and the beaches are the real deal.
Can be cher, shop a bit ... nice to gamble, many casinos, and night life. Late nightlife, all starts at midnight.
Jimmy
Can be cher, shop a bit ... nice to gamble, many casinos, and night life. Late nightlife, all starts at midnight.
Jimmy
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@15 - what i love about Fnarf is he's so consistently wrong, but can always provide links for his wrongness.
that and he wishes he was a bear.
that and he wishes he was a bear.
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Eat shit and die, Will. Seriously. Fuck off. Pull the fucking trigger.
Feel free to provide a list to posts where I'm wrong. Not that there aren't any, of course, but you couldn't find them in fifty years. You couldn't find the hole in your dick if you were passing a stone.
Feel free to provide a list to posts where I'm wrong. Not that there aren't any, of course, but you couldn't find them in fifty years. You couldn't find the hole in your dick if you were passing a stone.
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Oooo I was concieved on Sin Maarten. Heterosexually, though. Still! Yay for the house of Orange!
Is that a great name for a royal house or what? Sure as hell beats Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (aka Windsor)
Is that a great name for a royal house or what? Sure as hell beats Saxe-Coburg-Gotha (aka Windsor)
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Here's to hoping that this despotic move from an european monarch against the culture of a Caribbean population serves to hurry up St Maarten and Curaçao in their separate country status and that alongside Aruba which has already attain it finally end up seceding from that ridiculous vestige of colonialism.
The social ills and humiliation they receive by way of Amsterdam far outweighs the minuscule benefits they get. They're not good enough to function with the same currency as that of the 'Kingdom' yet they have to observe gay marriage. This idiocy will be implemented unless they become resolute and like their neighbors stand up for their dignity. The Netherlands really needs them more than they need the monarchy. Without these territories to lay claim tiny Holland has nothing goin on for them politically speaking.
The social ills and humiliation they receive by way of Amsterdam far outweighs the minuscule benefits they get. They're not good enough to function with the same currency as that of the 'Kingdom' yet they have to observe gay marriage. This idiocy will be implemented unless they become resolute and like their neighbors stand up for their dignity. The Netherlands really needs them more than they need the monarchy. Without these territories to lay claim tiny Holland has nothing goin on for them politically speaking.
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Here's to hoping that this despotic move from an european monarch against the culture of a Caribbean population serves to hurry up St Maarten and Curaçao in their separate country status and that alongside Aruba which has already attain it finally end up seceding from that ridiculous vestige of colonialism.
The social ills and humiliation they receive by way of Amsterdam far outweighs the minuscule benefits they get. They're not good enough to function with the same currency as that of the 'Kingdom' yet they have to observe gay marriage. This idiocy will be implemented unless they become resolute and like their neighbors stand up for their dignity. The Netherlands really needs them more than they need the monarchy. Without these territories to lay claim tiny Holland has nothing goin on for them politically speaking.
The social ills and humiliation they receive by way of Amsterdam far outweighs the minuscule benefits they get. They're not good enough to function with the same currency as that of the 'Kingdom' yet they have to observe gay marriage. This idiocy will be implemented unless they become resolute and like their neighbors stand up for their dignity. The Netherlands really needs them more than they need the monarchy. Without these territories to lay claim tiny Holland has nothing goin on for them politically speaking.
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#23-
I love how you consider it despotic to allow more people to utilize an institution. It's just delusional enough to follow like sheeple!
And, say, you only consider it "despotic" and a "move against culture" when it's about the gays, and not the power of the government alone? That speaks volumes about your character.
I love how you consider it despotic to allow more people to utilize an institution. It's just delusional enough to follow like sheeple!
And, say, you only consider it "despotic" and a "move against culture" when it's about the gays, and not the power of the government alone? That speaks volumes about your character.
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LC @23:
I love this. It's so true. Without Eustatius and Saba, Amsterdam would be nothing. Look at what happened to Portugal when they returned Macao to China. They practically fell off the face of Europe.
The Netherlands really needs them more than they need the monarchy. Without these territories to lay claim tiny Holland has nothing goin on for them politically speaking.
I love this. It's so true. Without Eustatius and Saba, Amsterdam would be nothing. Look at what happened to Portugal when they returned Macao to China. They practically fell off the face of Europe.
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Loveschild, I would hate to be your actual child.
If my parent spouted off your ridiculous bullshit at the frequency that you do, I would stick myself in a vat of boiling grease (yeah the inquisition! such great times in the history of Christianity! Lets go back to when times were meaningful and pure!). You are why the early twentysomething generation I belong to just can't wait for all you fuckers to grow old, die, and finally shut the fuck up.
If my parent spouted off your ridiculous bullshit at the frequency that you do, I would stick myself in a vat of boiling grease (yeah the inquisition! such great times in the history of Christianity! Lets go back to when times were meaningful and pure!). You are why the early twentysomething generation I belong to just can't wait for all you fuckers to grow old, die, and finally shut the fuck up.
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It irks me that Dan referred to the islands as this woman’s “possessions.” These islands are the home and land of the thousands of people who live and work there. Not the property of some old monarch, gay-friendly or not. How’d he feel if someone said that the USA was Obama’s possession?
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@24 Concerning an assessment of a person's character or lack thereof I believe you need to look no further than the author of this post. You know, the person who delves in impositions and disrespect for cultures and peoples who do not agree with the gay lifestyle. The same person who's character is one that expresses adamant hatred for those of African descent who do not yield into submission to his ideology concerning homosexuality, hence his "her possessions in the Caribbean" remark as #27 brought into attention or his frequent "uncivilized" posts referencing to African people. That's how he sees all those uppity people in the Caribbean and in Africa who have made it clear through their democratic governments that homosexuality is not compatible with their culture and social structure. It is his character (who to be honest is in line with the general homosexual lobby who festers in racism) who you need to take a closer look at and do an introspection and subsequent cleansing of your heart and soul if you see his character reflected in you.
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25 Without it's colonial "possessions" (all in the Caribbean) and all the oil refineries, tourism and financial services they acquire with them, to lay claim to, tiny Netherlands geopolitically speaking is irrelevant. And being that all those possessions have their own currency, it is more than accurate to state that the below sea level minuscule monarchy so praised by people like savage is the benefactor is such an unbalanced relation and not the other way. Outside of that simple fact all they've got goin on for them is to home an international criminal tribunal that seems to be of equal irrelevance.
Islands such as St Maarten, Curaçao and Aruba have way much in similar culturally, ethnically and linguistically with each other and their neighbors than they do with a colonial has been metropolis in europe such as holland, and this latest move from a monarchy to its "possessions" clearly shows it.
Here's to them following suit to Surinam's example and that the new decade that approaches is one in which the remaining Caribbean nations under the yolk of the colonial antiquated systems of the dutch, english and french, rid themselves of that humiliating and destructive relation.
Islands such as St Maarten, Curaçao and Aruba have way much in similar culturally, ethnically and linguistically with each other and their neighbors than they do with a colonial has been metropolis in europe such as holland, and this latest move from a monarchy to its "possessions" clearly shows it.
Here's to them following suit to Surinam's example and that the new decade that approaches is one in which the remaining Caribbean nations under the yolk of the colonial antiquated systems of the dutch, english and french, rid themselves of that humiliating and destructive relation.
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*And being that all those "possessions" have their own currency, is it more than accurate to state that the below sea level minuscule monarchy so praised by people like savage is the benefactor is such an unbalanced relation and not the other way? No, in reality it is those "possessions' who end up being the benefactors of the monarchy and fill the coffers of the queen .
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@28
Well, I can’t really argue with any of that. I’m not saying it’s right, but there’s nothing there to argue. You attacked Dan, pulled the racism card (Shame on you!), and ranted up a good sized paragraph of slander. I think “possessions” was a poorly chosen word on his part, but I seemed to have picked up a slightly different connotation than you did.
I do find it funny, however, that you consider it good and proper for someone to respect the views of Jamaica (I’m mentioning Jamaica in specific since the only really “offensive” thing he posted was “Suck it Jamaica!”) when the country responds to homosexuality with prison sentences, mob attacks, and even police assisted violence, but consider it diabolical for Beatrix to expand Netherlands law, allowing more individual power without any harm, any farther into it’s territories. Once again, it’s only majority opinion when it suits you, isn’t it?
And no, I don’t think I’m like Dan. I don’t know him, and your post clearly shows that you only have a warped, spiteful view of him.
Well, I can’t really argue with any of that. I’m not saying it’s right, but there’s nothing there to argue. You attacked Dan, pulled the racism card (Shame on you!), and ranted up a good sized paragraph of slander. I think “possessions” was a poorly chosen word on his part, but I seemed to have picked up a slightly different connotation than you did.
I do find it funny, however, that you consider it good and proper for someone to respect the views of Jamaica (I’m mentioning Jamaica in specific since the only really “offensive” thing he posted was “Suck it Jamaica!”) when the country responds to homosexuality with prison sentences, mob attacks, and even police assisted violence, but consider it diabolical for Beatrix to expand Netherlands law, allowing more individual power without any harm, any farther into it’s territories. Once again, it’s only majority opinion when it suits you, isn’t it?
And no, I don’t think I’m like Dan. I don’t know him, and your post clearly shows that you only have a warped, spiteful view of him.
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@31 Right you've said, there's nothing to argue nor instigate nor make threats against. Because it's simply none of your business nor that of savage's nor of the rest of eurocentrist gay lobby groups you fund.
What has been socially and democratically implemented by the people of distinct foreign cultures from yours that you cannot seem to understand and with whom you share nothing in common ethnically is not something that concerns you. If you really care so much about implementing gay marriage into law start in your forefathers homelands (start with savage's) before you decide goin on sticking your noses and barking orders at people whom you don't know (or refuse to know) anything about and approach with the respect that should be given by outsiders when approaching a home, a land that's not yours nor that of your ancestors. I have no interest whatsoever in ever visiting any european nation but if by bad luck i ever found myself in holland or spain (for example) i would never go on expressing my morality and worldview upon a culture with whom i share nothing in common. Simply speaking what happens in europe is none of my business, it is for europeans to decide whether to run their nations with drugs, prostitution gay marriage or by vatican teachings. It's really none of my business. I only take issue when there's no reciprocacy on their part in the same manner.
P.S Do a search with Jamaica or Uncivilized and you'll see whose views are beyond spiteful (tho from the looks of it seems you agree with his bullying). Have yourself a nice one.
What has been socially and democratically implemented by the people of distinct foreign cultures from yours that you cannot seem to understand and with whom you share nothing in common ethnically is not something that concerns you. If you really care so much about implementing gay marriage into law start in your forefathers homelands (start with savage's) before you decide goin on sticking your noses and barking orders at people whom you don't know (or refuse to know) anything about and approach with the respect that should be given by outsiders when approaching a home, a land that's not yours nor that of your ancestors. I have no interest whatsoever in ever visiting any european nation but if by bad luck i ever found myself in holland or spain (for example) i would never go on expressing my morality and worldview upon a culture with whom i share nothing in common. Simply speaking what happens in europe is none of my business, it is for europeans to decide whether to run their nations with drugs, prostitution gay marriage or by vatican teachings. It's really none of my business. I only take issue when there's no reciprocacy on their part in the same manner.
P.S Do a search with Jamaica or Uncivilized and you'll see whose views are beyond spiteful (tho from the looks of it seems you agree with his bullying). Have yourself a nice one.
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@32-
I said that there was nothing to argue in terms of Dan. Not the Netherlands’ control over the islands, which would also be none of your business if it is none of mine, not the islands being forced into accepting gay marriage, which I never made my business but instead went after your motives for saying that the majority had it’s rule violated (which, unless I’m mistaken, you’ve said that you live in Washington D.C. which would be under the sovereignty I live under as well), and certainly not Jamaica.
You can say all you want about it being a part of Jamaican culture, but it is wrong. I can never say a country is wrong for not accepting gay marriage, but executing violence in such a consistent and deplorable manner as Jamaica has will never be morally right. Neither will imprisonment for such senseless reasons. I’m not the type, apparently the type that you are, that can simply turn a blind eye to senseless violence and baseless hatred. People’s lives are ruined through that. That IS my business, as well as everyone’s business. I can’t put my nose in it or bark orders. It’s a full blown country for god’s sake. I don’t have to respect it, however.
And please. Tactless as it is, Dan’s criticism hardly counts as bullying. If you want to say someone can bully a nation, you’re being pathetic. The criticism is valid. And I can argue the semantics behind him using the word “uncivilized” all day, but at the end of it all it’s just his words and our interpretations.
I’m not funding any lobby either, despite what you may think. The only thing I’m putting any support behind is refuting you. I’ve read enough of the blog to see the double standards you have against homosexuality, things people have decided to mention verbatim over and over, and the fact that you try to continuously play yourself and anyone anti-gay as a victim. You try to relate all anti-gay decisions and actions to majority rule and sovereignty, and call foul when they don’t succeed.
And thanks, I will.
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I said that there was nothing to argue in terms of Dan. Not the Netherlands’ control over the islands, which would also be none of your business if it is none of mine, not the islands being forced into accepting gay marriage, which I never made my business but instead went after your motives for saying that the majority had it’s rule violated (which, unless I’m mistaken, you’ve said that you live in Washington D.C. which would be under the sovereignty I live under as well), and certainly not Jamaica.
You can say all you want about it being a part of Jamaican culture, but it is wrong. I can never say a country is wrong for not accepting gay marriage, but executing violence in such a consistent and deplorable manner as Jamaica has will never be morally right. Neither will imprisonment for such senseless reasons. I’m not the type, apparently the type that you are, that can simply turn a blind eye to senseless violence and baseless hatred. People’s lives are ruined through that. That IS my business, as well as everyone’s business. I can’t put my nose in it or bark orders. It’s a full blown country for god’s sake. I don’t have to respect it, however.
And please. Tactless as it is, Dan’s criticism hardly counts as bullying. If you want to say someone can bully a nation, you’re being pathetic. The criticism is valid. And I can argue the semantics behind him using the word “uncivilized” all day, but at the end of it all it’s just his words and our interpretations.
I’m not funding any lobby either, despite what you may think. The only thing I’m putting any support behind is refuting you. I’ve read enough of the blog to see the double standards you have against homosexuality, things people have decided to mention verbatim over and over, and the fact that you try to continuously play yourself and anyone anti-gay as a victim. You try to relate all anti-gay decisions and actions to majority rule and sovereignty, and call foul when they don’t succeed.
And thanks, I will.
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Hooooo boy, someone's off their meds again. Home from the home for the holidays I guess. I thought they double locked those places this time of year. Why do you think they call it fruitcake!
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@33 Dutch social norms or lack thereof are quite different from those of the Caribbean, so much so that the islands they lay claim to have their own language Papiamentu which is heavily influenced by African languages. So the control over the islands is merely in name because culturally they are proudly distinct.
I could care less whether you or savage have any respect for nations like Jamaica, to be honest, I expect quite the opposite from you. As far as I'm concerned the more show of disrespect people such as yourself express for such cultures the better it is for those in the African diaspora who seem to have fallen into slumber while they're slowly being disposed of their dignity and sovereignty. The less interpretations of their lives (through european prisms) they are subjcted or simply put the less interest those like you have in their matters the better off they are as history proves.
I'm all for criticism and any other idiciocy people like dan spews, this is a free country and far be it for me to deny the right of speech even to someone like him. However his stupid critcisms don't remain as merely jibberish because he crosses the line into calling out for economic sanctions and govermental intervations in such matters.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
And since there are more than a fair share of derange politicians and nations like sweden (for example) who heed the calls of characters like his, the crap he and other bloggers of his ilk post does have the potential of inciting bullying of sovereign nation states, which you seem to agree with (no surprise there).
You see this as "anti-gay decisions and actions", when in truth these are simply socially distinct cultural matters of nations or cities (like D.C) with majority populations of African descent that those coming from an euro-descended experience truly know nothing of and should thereby restraint from commenting about, less their ignorance on the matter becomes more than obvious (too late for dan).
When Caribbean nations such as Jamaica or African nations start meddling in societal laws of eropean states then you can start doin likewise. But if history is any indicator that is unlikely to happen since the exploiting and ideological impositions by way of europe and its satellites throughout the globe are nothing new.
May 2010 be the year not only of the much needed Caribbean self determination for those classified as dutch "possessions in the Caribbean" of a distant european monarch who gets her income from exploting oil refineries in the ABC islands, but also for places in this nation such as the district of Colombia where it's citizens are treated as inferiors and are subjected to impositions against their will. May a good chunk of the council be voted out of office and the gay marriage law be put to the people as has been done in other states with white majorities.
I know by faith i will work and contribute to those who challenge those council members who decided to snob their constituency.
P.S I'm not from D.C. but I take interest and seek involvement in the matters of communities in my nation that are like mine because I know that in the end the same things they face i will end up facing in mine sooner or later.
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I could care less whether you or savage have any respect for nations like Jamaica, to be honest, I expect quite the opposite from you. As far as I'm concerned the more show of disrespect people such as yourself express for such cultures the better it is for those in the African diaspora who seem to have fallen into slumber while they're slowly being disposed of their dignity and sovereignty. The less interpretations of their lives (through european prisms) they are subjcted or simply put the less interest those like you have in their matters the better off they are as history proves.
I'm all for criticism and any other idiciocy people like dan spews, this is a free country and far be it for me to deny the right of speech even to someone like him. However his stupid critcisms don't remain as merely jibberish because he crosses the line into calling out for economic sanctions and govermental intervations in such matters.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archive…
And since there are more than a fair share of derange politicians and nations like sweden (for example) who heed the calls of characters like his, the crap he and other bloggers of his ilk post does have the potential of inciting bullying of sovereign nation states, which you seem to agree with (no surprise there).
You see this as "anti-gay decisions and actions", when in truth these are simply socially distinct cultural matters of nations or cities (like D.C) with majority populations of African descent that those coming from an euro-descended experience truly know nothing of and should thereby restraint from commenting about, less their ignorance on the matter becomes more than obvious (too late for dan).
When Caribbean nations such as Jamaica or African nations start meddling in societal laws of eropean states then you can start doin likewise. But if history is any indicator that is unlikely to happen since the exploiting and ideological impositions by way of europe and its satellites throughout the globe are nothing new.
May 2010 be the year not only of the much needed Caribbean self determination for those classified as dutch "possessions in the Caribbean" of a distant european monarch who gets her income from exploting oil refineries in the ABC islands, but also for places in this nation such as the district of Colombia where it's citizens are treated as inferiors and are subjected to impositions against their will. May a good chunk of the council be voted out of office and the gay marriage law be put to the people as has been done in other states with white majorities.
I know by faith i will work and contribute to those who challenge those council members who decided to snob their constituency.
P.S I'm not from D.C. but I take interest and seek involvement in the matters of communities in my nation that are like mine because I know that in the end the same things they face i will end up facing in mine sooner or later.
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@35-
You don’t seem to realize that I don’t give a damn about Dan Savage, nor do I care that you think him wanting to send a gay Ambassador to Jamaica is some cultural upheaval. I don’t idolize Europe and I do believe that gay marriage is something for the people to decide.
What I don’t accept is Jamaica’s ruining of lives, which cannot be protected by your thin excuse of cultural differences, and that the only reason you called Beatrix’s move “depotic” is because it is about homosexuality. You try to hide your own feelings behind the guise of a march for sovereignty and majority rule, but your connotation speaks quite differently. The fact that you believe racism is rampant in the homosexual population shows this in full.
“I could care less whether you or savage have any respect for nations like Jamaica, to be honest, I expect quite the opposite from you.”
“You know, the person who delves in impositions and disrespect for cultures and peoples who do not agree with the gay lifestyle.”
Clearly you do.
You don’t seem to realize that I don’t give a damn about Dan Savage, nor do I care that you think him wanting to send a gay Ambassador to Jamaica is some cultural upheaval. I don’t idolize Europe and I do believe that gay marriage is something for the people to decide.
What I don’t accept is Jamaica’s ruining of lives, which cannot be protected by your thin excuse of cultural differences, and that the only reason you called Beatrix’s move “depotic” is because it is about homosexuality. You try to hide your own feelings behind the guise of a march for sovereignty and majority rule, but your connotation speaks quite differently. The fact that you believe racism is rampant in the homosexual population shows this in full.
“I could care less whether you or savage have any respect for nations like Jamaica, to be honest, I expect quite the opposite from you.”
“You know, the person who delves in impositions and disrespect for cultures and peoples who do not agree with the gay lifestyle.”
Clearly you do.
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@36 Hey Trinculo, if you truly meant what you typed about democracy and the legal right of all people in this nation to exercise their vote and decide, then you and I are in agreement.
So let me let you know that I'm not in favor of harming anyone but i do realize that nations deal with issues differently due to their cultures and history (no matter how much you deny it) and that as has been said by many, the worst thing that can be done is to exacerbate the situation by placing royal decrees from monarchies who share no commonality whatsoever with distant lands and peoples or demanding (as an outsider) that ideologies that are alien and contrary to the morality of another people be observed. That sort of thing has never worked before, so what makes you think it will now? it won't.
If you truly don't see the underlying racism prevalent in gay groups and their spokes people like Savage, then you obviously haven't been living in this nation for at least two years to date. I also used to give a rat's ass about Dan, I didn't know anything about him to be honest, until he began spewing nonsense about African Americans in the aftermath of prop 8 for which he got way more air time than he should've, as more of similar ilk followed suit and did the same I began monitoring his racist nonsense.
Again, I'm not the one meddling in the affairs of people whom I share nothing in common with and refusing to understand that 19th century political structures have been long dead and will remain so unless those that were affected by them realize that they could find themselves again in the same situation if they to exert their right of self determination and governance.
Good new year to you and yours.
So let me let you know that I'm not in favor of harming anyone but i do realize that nations deal with issues differently due to their cultures and history (no matter how much you deny it) and that as has been said by many, the worst thing that can be done is to exacerbate the situation by placing royal decrees from monarchies who share no commonality whatsoever with distant lands and peoples or demanding (as an outsider) that ideologies that are alien and contrary to the morality of another people be observed. That sort of thing has never worked before, so what makes you think it will now? it won't.
If you truly don't see the underlying racism prevalent in gay groups and their spokes people like Savage, then you obviously haven't been living in this nation for at least two years to date. I also used to give a rat's ass about Dan, I didn't know anything about him to be honest, until he began spewing nonsense about African Americans in the aftermath of prop 8 for which he got way more air time than he should've, as more of similar ilk followed suit and did the same I began monitoring his racist nonsense.
Again, I'm not the one meddling in the affairs of people whom I share nothing in common with and refusing to understand that 19th century political structures have been long dead and will remain so unless those that were affected by them realize that they could find themselves again in the same situation if they to exert their right of self determination and governance.
Good new year to you and yours.
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@36 Hey Trinculo, if you truly meant what you typed about democracy and the legal right of all people in this nation to exercise their vote and decide, then you and I are in agreement.
So let me let you know that I'm not in favor of harming anyone but i do realize that nations deal with issues differently due to their cultures and history (no matter how much you deny it) and that as has been said by many, the worst thing that can be done is to exacerbate the situation by placing royal decrees from monarchies who share no commonality whatsoever with distant lands and peoples or demanding (as an outsider) that ideologies that are alien and contrary to the morality of another people be observed. That sort of thing has never worked before, so what makes you think it will now? it won't.
If you truly don't see the underlying racism prevalent in gay groups and their spokes people like Savage, then you obviously haven't been living in this nation for at least two years to date. I also used to give a rat's ass about Dan, I didn't know anything about him to be honest, until he began spewing nonsense about African Americans in the aftermath of prop 8 for which he got way more air time than he should've, as more of similar ilk followed suit and did the same I began monitoring his racist nonsense.
Again, I'm not the one meddling in the affairs of people whom I share nothing in common with and refusing to understand that 19th century political structures have been long dead and will remain so unless those that were affected by them realize that they could find themselves again in the same situation if they don't exert their right of self determination and governance.
Good new year to you and yours.
So let me let you know that I'm not in favor of harming anyone but i do realize that nations deal with issues differently due to their cultures and history (no matter how much you deny it) and that as has been said by many, the worst thing that can be done is to exacerbate the situation by placing royal decrees from monarchies who share no commonality whatsoever with distant lands and peoples or demanding (as an outsider) that ideologies that are alien and contrary to the morality of another people be observed. That sort of thing has never worked before, so what makes you think it will now? it won't.
If you truly don't see the underlying racism prevalent in gay groups and their spokes people like Savage, then you obviously haven't been living in this nation for at least two years to date. I also used to give a rat's ass about Dan, I didn't know anything about him to be honest, until he began spewing nonsense about African Americans in the aftermath of prop 8 for which he got way more air time than he should've, as more of similar ilk followed suit and did the same I began monitoring his racist nonsense.
Again, I'm not the one meddling in the affairs of people whom I share nothing in common with and refusing to understand that 19th century political structures have been long dead and will remain so unless those that were affected by them realize that they could find themselves again in the same situation if they don't exert their right of self determination and governance.
Good new year to you and yours.
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