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Homo / News Washington D.C. Legalizes Gay Marriage
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:04 PM
The vote was 11 to 2 to bring marriage equality to our nation's capital. Somewhere Maggie Gallagher is plotting/plotzing. I hope Newt Gingrich's third marriage can withstand this assault. The fine print courtesy of the Washington Post:
Before the bill goes to Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (D) for signing, it still must survive a 30-day congressional review period. To block the legislation, the Democratic-controlled House and Senate and President Obama would have to sign off on a disapproval resolution within 30 legislative days, which advocates say is not likely.
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Dear Loveschild,
Suck it.
Love,
Washington D.C. and Washington State
The two biggest victories in what will be a triumph for families and basic human justice. D.C. is getting marriage, Washington State proved you can tell people that marriage is inevitable if a measure like R-71 is approved and still have it pass.
Suck it.
Love,
Washington D.C. and Washington State
The two biggest victories in what will be a triumph for families and basic human justice. D.C. is getting marriage, Washington State proved you can tell people that marriage is inevitable if a measure like R-71 is approved and still have it pass.
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Watch the Repubicans figure out a way to derail this though by holding some last bit of health care hostage.
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Also:
LC: "The people didn't get their say, most polls show people don't support this."
Everyone else: "Most polls say DC residents support marriage by around 65%."
LC: "Then let everyone else vote."
Baconcat (that's me!): "DC residents can't vote on this measure, it violates their human rights code."
LC: "Unlike Bacon, here, I want every DC resident to have a say."
Everyone else: "They had a say when they elected their councilmembers."
LC: "If you are so sure this would pass, let the people have a say."
Baconcat: "They can't, we already explained it to you. And it violates the basic idea of representative democracy."
LC: "I pray that everyone who supports traditional families calls their rep and senator and tells them to interfere in Washington D.C. even though I get apoplectic when people advocate meddling in the affairs of a place they don't reside."
Everyone else: "Shut up, LC."
LC: "DISENFRANCHISEMENT! HELP! I AM BEING OPPRESSED!"
LC: "The people didn't get their say, most polls show people don't support this."
Everyone else: "Most polls say DC residents support marriage by around 65%."
LC: "Then let everyone else vote."
Baconcat (that's me!): "DC residents can't vote on this measure, it violates their human rights code."
LC: "Unlike Bacon, here, I want every DC resident to have a say."
Everyone else: "They had a say when they elected their councilmembers."
LC: "If you are so sure this would pass, let the people have a say."
Baconcat: "They can't, we already explained it to you. And it violates the basic idea of representative democracy."
LC: "I pray that everyone who supports traditional families calls their rep and senator and tells them to interfere in Washington D.C. even though I get apoplectic when people advocate meddling in the affairs of a place they don't reside."
Everyone else: "Shut up, LC."
LC: "DISENFRANCHISEMENT! HELP! I AM BEING OPPRESSED!"
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Even if the Congress and the President do not pass a disapproval resolution, there are stil other ways for the Congress the block marriage equality. They have the power over their budget, so they can block our funding to prevent the enactment of the law (like they did with medical marijuana and domestic partnerships). I'm also pretty sure they can just slip a bit of legislation into any form of legislation to block it. Either way, DC residents will have to defend this bills from the Congress for years to come.
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"...our nation's capitol..."?
So it's only legal in the one building? Or in the entire city (i.e. "the capital")?
So it's only legal in the one building? Or in the entire city (i.e. "the capital")?
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YAY!!!! May no lesbian in DC ever be denied access to her partner when she is dying in a hospital.
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And in case you anti-family/anti-equality activists get any bright ideas on this, God just killed Oral Roberts.
Take the hint.
Take the hint.
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WAPO made is mistake. The mayor signs or vetoes BEFORE the act (which it is called after he signs it) goes to Congress.
http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/ho…
http://www.dccouncil.washington.dc.us/ho…
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wheat savage... in the shotgun radiohead way of denial he is HMMMM?
perhaps mr. savage sholud pay for the Corona Bear ads on the truck advertisement that make megan dodge look like a big fat model of caymen island bad breath... or perhaps dan savage should just go down to gasworks park himself at the end of lake union and jump in the water... he's a parraih... dan savage is... and he's not afraid to be a smooth talking biggot to print it either.
perhaps mr. savage sholud pay for the Corona Bear ads on the truck advertisement that make megan dodge look like a big fat model of caymen island bad breath... or perhaps dan savage should just go down to gasworks park himself at the end of lake union and jump in the water... he's a parraih... dan savage is... and he's not afraid to be a smooth talking biggot to print it either.
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I'm sorry, dan k. You spelled all of that incorrectly, and must leave the stage at this years Spelling Bee, I'm afraid. Better luck next year. Be sure to study!
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@12 - Not in a long time. Alternately, the cities that hold top honors in that category—Baltimore, Detroit, Oakland, New Orleans, St. Louis, Jacksonville, Houston, Columbus—still have their opposite marriage laws firmly in place; you know, so nothing bad happens.
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Congress will overturn this.
And put a lot of moderate Democrats on the spot and on the record just in time for the midterm elections...
And put a lot of moderate Democrats on the spot and on the record just in time for the midterm elections...
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@20...With elections every 2 years, there always will be a reason to postpone a hard vote. Sometimes, our leaders need to have some balls and demonstrate that they know what is right and wrong. I wish more of our national leaders would demonstrate the same backbone that these DC officials have demonstrated.
We now need to hold our elected officials accountable. Everyone who supports marriage equality in DC and elsewhere needs to call the offices of their U.S. senators and representatives and tell them to do nothing to block this law. The haters will be lining up to make calls demanding action to overturn the law. We've got to be heard if we want them to leave it alone.
We now need to hold our elected officials accountable. Everyone who supports marriage equality in DC and elsewhere needs to call the offices of their U.S. senators and representatives and tell them to do nothing to block this law. The haters will be lining up to make calls demanding action to overturn the law. We've got to be heard if we want them to leave it alone.
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I spent most of today avoiding crowds in the hallway because a group of guys were following me around to ask me if I knew what 'gay' meant (Got Aids Yet, faggot? being the unwanted answer).
So finally after that six hours of misery is over, I come home to this.
One bright light at the end of a terrible, terrible day.
So finally after that six hours of misery is over, I come home to this.
One bright light at the end of a terrible, terrible day.
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So advocates say it isn't likely that the Democrats would sign off on a disapproval resolution? Of course it isn't likely; they're not likely to tie their fucking shoes themselves.
@26: WTF? That sounds intolerable. Are you in high school?
@26: WTF? That sounds intolerable. Are you in high school?
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Here's hoping the number of states coming around increases exponentially. If that happens I might be at risk for actually being proud of this country.
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My wish: A gay wedding at the White House officiated by President Obama. Who will he marry? Oprah and Gale.
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Michael in Washington,
I'm so very sorry, sweetie. You don't deserve that, high schoolers can be monsters. I hope there is a trusted adult there who can support you.
Take care.
I'm so very sorry, sweetie. You don't deserve that, high schoolers can be monsters. I hope there is a trusted adult there who can support you.
Take care.
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Something has gone right today, then....
Michael from Washington, survive high school and the world is yours. It gets better ......
Michael from Washington, survive high school and the world is yours. It gets better ......
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Not to be a storm crow, but does the Roman Catholic Church or the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops still plan to take all their toys and go home?
Maggie thinks so.
May we get all Henry VII on their asses, if they do.
Sorry to hear about your sucky day, Michael. I haven't worked out my Magneto-style master plan, but someday we'll show them all. Yes! We'll show them all!..
Sorry. Was I saying something?
Maggie thinks so.
May we get all Henry VII on their asses, if they do.
Sorry to hear about your sucky day, Michael. I haven't worked out my Magneto-style master plan, but someday we'll show them all. Yes! We'll show them all!..
Sorry. Was I saying something?
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To any D.C resident who wonders into Slog: if you don't know by now, you will do well to be aware that at this current time you only have two Council members representing you at the moment, those are:
Mr. Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) and Ms. Yvette Alexander (D-Ward 7)
They are the only ones who heeded your call against this backwards imposition, if you are not lucky enough to have them representing you then you must hold accountable the member representing your ward when time is due.
Regrettably today the D.C city council joined states like MA and VT in ignoring their people, taking away their right to vote on something of such great importance that affects their community and the meaning of such a basic and important institution as marriage is. Whether thru where legislatures or courts or now a city council the redefined marriage has only been imposed thru politicians or unaccountable judges, in every single state where the people have exercised their voting right, gay marriage, traditional marriage has been upheld.
Some like Bacon cat like to point to the domestic partnership in WA to say that gay marriage has been voted by the people. The reality however is that the trojan horse currently made into law in WA state was cautiously presented by homosexual groups in this state as solely seeking more 'benefits' for homosexual pairings but not marriage (something they will soon reverse and challenge once more in the courts), and perhaps more importantly what people of Baconcat's ilk don't want you to know is that the domestic partnership extension initiative victory was mostly due to the electoral grip that the Seattle-Tacoma area has upon the rest of WA state, because where not for that the other counties (that make up the majority in the state) who overwhelmingly voted for the preservation of marriage would've been the victors.
This is not a 'gay right' this is a special right that the DC council has created this definition of marriage for the sole benefit and enjoyment of a A privileged minority who in the end does not care about marriage nor monogamy and who as time passes will not be satisfied until marriage is eroded from memory.
Today it's gay marriage, tomorrow it will be incest and polygamy, because if two men can marry then why can a father and a daughter not marry each other also? Why can't a grandfather not be allowed to marry his adult consenting grandson? Does someone like Baconcat or Dan Savage have the moral high ground to tell them they cannot wed?
Does Baconcat, Dan Savage or any other homosexual have the moral integrity to tell one man that he cannot marry the four women he loves, consenting women who want to marry him and want to marry each other also, who is someone like Baconcat (who advocates and instigates for gay marriage) to tell them they can't?
The fact is that neither Baconcat nor any other homosexual can tell them they cannot marry. If two men can marry each other based solely on the reasoning that they are consenting adults (as has been made here by many commenters), then two consenting adults engaging in incest, be it brother with brother (there's a gay movie about that already) brother with sister, mother to son, father with son, grandmother with granddaughter, or any polyamorous combination from three to fifty and more, cannot be denied the right to marry also. There's just no legal basis to deny them marriage if the gay marriage logic is going to be made into law.
Today the city Council of the District of Columbia has chosen to make a tyrannical decision and ignore their constituency in order to push the agenda of a a small special interest group. The Council (except for two members) has decided that they are accountable to a small privilege group who seeks special rights at all societal cost rather than the majority of D.C residents who put them in the position in which they now find themselves.
Only the people of DC can reverse this imposition when time comes.
D.C resident if you feel unrepresented, know that you are for now but that does not have to remain forever you can hold your representative accountable
when they are up for reelection, show elitist in Seattle and Weho, the Castro in California amongst many, that they don't get to decide what marriage means in your communities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_…
More...
Mr. Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) and Ms. Yvette Alexander (D-Ward 7)
They are the only ones who heeded your call against this backwards imposition, if you are not lucky enough to have them representing you then you must hold accountable the member representing your ward when time is due.
Regrettably today the D.C city council joined states like MA and VT in ignoring their people, taking away their right to vote on something of such great importance that affects their community and the meaning of such a basic and important institution as marriage is. Whether thru where legislatures or courts or now a city council the redefined marriage has only been imposed thru politicians or unaccountable judges, in every single state where the people have exercised their voting right, gay marriage, traditional marriage has been upheld.
Some like Bacon cat like to point to the domestic partnership in WA to say that gay marriage has been voted by the people. The reality however is that the trojan horse currently made into law in WA state was cautiously presented by homosexual groups in this state as solely seeking more 'benefits' for homosexual pairings but not marriage (something they will soon reverse and challenge once more in the courts), and perhaps more importantly what people of Baconcat's ilk don't want you to know is that the domestic partnership extension initiative victory was mostly due to the electoral grip that the Seattle-Tacoma area has upon the rest of WA state, because where not for that the other counties (that make up the majority in the state) who overwhelmingly voted for the preservation of marriage would've been the victors.
This is not a 'gay right' this is a special right that the DC council has created this definition of marriage for the sole benefit and enjoyment of a A privileged minority who in the end does not care about marriage nor monogamy and who as time passes will not be satisfied until marriage is eroded from memory.
Today it's gay marriage, tomorrow it will be incest and polygamy, because if two men can marry then why can a father and a daughter not marry each other also? Why can't a grandfather not be allowed to marry his adult consenting grandson? Does someone like Baconcat or Dan Savage have the moral high ground to tell them they cannot wed?
Does Baconcat, Dan Savage or any other homosexual have the moral integrity to tell one man that he cannot marry the four women he loves, consenting women who want to marry him and want to marry each other also, who is someone like Baconcat (who advocates and instigates for gay marriage) to tell them they can't?
The fact is that neither Baconcat nor any other homosexual can tell them they cannot marry. If two men can marry each other based solely on the reasoning that they are consenting adults (as has been made here by many commenters), then two consenting adults engaging in incest, be it brother with brother (there's a gay movie about that already) brother with sister, mother to son, father with son, grandmother with granddaughter, or any polyamorous combination from three to fifty and more, cannot be denied the right to marry also. There's just no legal basis to deny them marriage if the gay marriage logic is going to be made into law.
Today the city Council of the District of Columbia has chosen to make a tyrannical decision and ignore their constituency in order to push the agenda of a a small special interest group. The Council (except for two members) has decided that they are accountable to a small privilege group who seeks special rights at all societal cost rather than the majority of D.C residents who put them in the position in which they now find themselves.
Only the people of DC can reverse this imposition when time comes.
D.C resident if you feel unrepresented, know that you are for now but that does not have to remain forever you can hold your representative accountable
when they are up for reelection, show elitist in Seattle and Weho, the Castro in California amongst many, that they don't get to decide what marriage means in your communities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_…
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Yeah, high school. The place as a whole is actually very tolerant, but every place has its rotten eggs. I've been out since last June, purely voluntarily. Not even these guys can make me regret that.
I'll live, though. Plenty of music and chicken noodle soup to pump myself full of when I get home, and once I confide in a few friends things start feeling a lot more bearable.
I'll live, though. Plenty of music and chicken noodle soup to pump myself full of when I get home, and once I confide in a few friends things start feeling a lot more bearable.
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Election starts next year, you D.C resident can start the cleaning and vote for people like Mr. Marion Barry (D-Ward 8) and Ms. Yvette Alexander (D-Ward 7) who will allow you to decide as a community and not do the biding of small interest groups that want to redefine your city, you neighborhood, your culture and by extension your household.
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@36-good for you! Know that it doesn't matter what makes you "different" (gay, dork, fat, poor, whatever), the assholes will find some reason to be assholes. Keep your friends close and know that it gets SOOOOOO much better when you're out of HS! Good luck.
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Yay DC! Good job, no thanks to
Councilmember Barry (and his wandering member).
PS. I beg you all. Don't respond to "it", that'll only make "it" Godlier and talkier.
Councilmember Barry (and his wandering member).
PS. I beg you all. Don't respond to "it", that'll only make "it" Godlier and talkier.
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Oh, Marion Barry. Being originally from DC, I have so loved your antics over the years. From the crack to the corruption to the four wives to this summer's stalking incident, you're a continuing source of entertainment on the Washingtonpost.com homepage.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with LC insofar as s/he proposes that Washingtonians should do their damnedest to keep Barry on the Council. Ever since the inauguration, there's been a severe dearth of real freakshows in the District. Barry fulfills the role of the governmental rodeo clown and the village idiot all in one.
I love you, Marion Barry. Please, let me be your fifth divorce.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with LC insofar as s/he proposes that Washingtonians should do their damnedest to keep Barry on the Council. Ever since the inauguration, there's been a severe dearth of real freakshows in the District. Barry fulfills the role of the governmental rodeo clown and the village idiot all in one.
I love you, Marion Barry. Please, let me be your fifth divorce.
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@45 Even tho I'm sure you will discard them, as "straw man arguments" they have been answered. I have posed several to you.
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Stay strong, folks. Like genital crabs, or Glenn Beck, "it" will go away eventually if we ignore it long enough.
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Loveschild is addicted to the "gay" like crack cocaine. She's the Whitney Houston of the anti-gay set. If one could peek inside Loveschild's brain, it would look something like this: GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYbuymilkGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYcheckthermostatGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYwereoutofcatfoodGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
If anyone ever wanted to trap Loveschild in a box, they could simply have a box ready with a string tied to it. Post a blog entry with the word "gay" in the title; Loveschild will inevitably swoop to it like a fly on sherbet because she can't control her voracious appetite for the gay; pull the string and drop the box, Voila!
Were the above hypothetical situation to happen, here's what it would look like in Lovechild's brain: GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYhelpi'mtrappedinaboxGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
etc.
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYcheckthermostatGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYwereoutofcatfoodGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
If anyone ever wanted to trap Loveschild in a box, they could simply have a box ready with a string tied to it. Post a blog entry with the word "gay" in the title; Loveschild will inevitably swoop to it like a fly on sherbet because she can't control her voracious appetite for the gay; pull the string and drop the box, Voila!
Were the above hypothetical situation to happen, here's what it would look like in Lovechild's brain: GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYhelpi'mtrappedinaboxGAY
GAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAYGAY
etc.
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Loveschild, so in your hatred of gays, you're willing to line yourself with a crack smokin', prostitute lovin' adulterer, who stalks women. Nice moral high ground...
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If she's going to bother writing 1000 word posts, Loveschild should at least try to get some of her facts right...I listened to the vote can report that DC council members Marion Barry and Yvette Alexander most certainly are not the champions for Loveschild's cause. They both were very apologetic while explaining their votes, said that they hoped that the GLBT community would look at the totality of their records of historical support and congratulated the gay members of the council for what was a great victory. Moreover, these two aren't leading efforts to overturn marriage equality in DC. They and other members of the Council asked the GLBT community to keep up grassroots efforts to help them bring some of their constituents along, to help heal any divisions that might exist. Furthermore, Loveschild doesn't tell you that Yvette Alexander voted earlier this year to allow DC to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions, and Marion Barry and Yvette Alexander both supported the everything-but-the-word-marriage civil union law that DC is now replacing with marriage equality.
Loveschild and the fuckwads at NOM would have you believe that there is a groundswell of opposition in DC to marriage equality, but there isn't.
Don't let people like Loveschild wrongfully convince Members of Congress that any sort of injustice has been done here. DC's elected leaders are enacting the will of the people that they represent, and Congress (and idiots like Loveschild and Maggie G.) need to leave DC alone.
Loveschild and the fuckwads at NOM would have you believe that there is a groundswell of opposition in DC to marriage equality, but there isn't.
Don't let people like Loveschild wrongfully convince Members of Congress that any sort of injustice has been done here. DC's elected leaders are enacting the will of the people that they represent, and Congress (and idiots like Loveschild and Maggie G.) need to leave DC alone.
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@ 6 DC is the Last Colony on Earth, my home and soon to be married home, but you are wrong. Congress gets 30 working or Legislative days to act on the Marriage Bill once it is signed by the Mayor. If they fail to act, it becomes law.
The reason the Medical Marijuana, Use of Local Funds for Abortion, Use of Local Funds for Needle Exchage and a host of other supposed ills were blocked until this year, was that Congress initially supressed them when they were passed circa 10 years ago and added a Rider to that year's DC Appropriations bill that gave themselves continual and renewing oversight over all of this. In the latest DC Appropriations bill, the rider was removed and we can do all of the things that City Council passed years ago.
Unless Congress acts within the 30 days, marriage goes into effect.
And wish me luck, the hubby and I want to have our civil ceremony in front of NOMs DC Headquarters, Maggie, Brian and LaBamBam are all invited via proxy.
The reason the Medical Marijuana, Use of Local Funds for Abortion, Use of Local Funds for Needle Exchage and a host of other supposed ills were blocked until this year, was that Congress initially supressed them when they were passed circa 10 years ago and added a Rider to that year's DC Appropriations bill that gave themselves continual and renewing oversight over all of this. In the latest DC Appropriations bill, the rider was removed and we can do all of the things that City Council passed years ago.
Unless Congress acts within the 30 days, marriage goes into effect.
And wish me luck, the hubby and I want to have our civil ceremony in front of NOMs DC Headquarters, Maggie, Brian and LaBamBam are all invited via proxy.
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@49, Someone bring a flame thrower just to make sure there are no mistakes.
@51, The list of Idols she puts on that pedestal of hers gets more nauseating with each post. It explains a lot knowing she thinks Marion Barry is a pillar of the community.
@54, I'm crossing my fingers for the next 30 days just in case.
@51, The list of Idols she puts on that pedestal of hers gets more nauseating with each post. It explains a lot knowing she thinks Marion Barry is a pillar of the community.
@54, I'm crossing my fingers for the next 30 days just in case.
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Lovechild, they used the same arguments against interracital marriage.
"Today it's interracial getting marriage, tomorrow it will be incest and polygamy, because if black and white people can marry then why can a father and a daughter not marry each other also? Why can't a grandfather not be allowed to marry his adult consenting grandson? Does someone like Loveschild have the moral high ground to tell them they cannot wed?
"Today it's interracial getting marriage, tomorrow it will be incest and polygamy, because if black and white people can marry then why can a father and a daughter not marry each other also? Why can't a grandfather not be allowed to marry his adult consenting grandson? Does someone like Loveschild have the moral high ground to tell them they cannot wed?
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It's a little disconcerting to hear the democrats blamed for voting against gay marriage. I've always heard those far right conservative republicans whine about the evil gays. And i disagree that most people are against gay marriage. It's a fact that most people have finally decided that it doesn't hurt anyone and that everyone deserves the same rights. Unfortunatly, they don't always get out and vote. This is a terrible miscarriage ofjustice, because it so often allows the minority to win. Michael, I'm sorry high school has to be so brutal.They make fun of everyone for something because it's the only way they can feel better about themselves. In twenty years, when you have your dream job and happy marriage, they're going to be broke, divorced, jobless and living in a sleazy bar. ( We can only speculate, but that's commonly where stupid people end up.) You sound like you have so much strength and dignity for someone so young. I'm sure you'll only get stronger. Don't lose your wonderful attitude.
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