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Thursday, December 10, 2009

SL Letter of the Day: A Perfect Question

Posted by on Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:59 PM

I'm a gay male in my 30s and I'm a big fan of your column. I'll be honest—I don't always agree with your advice, but you're honest and it's entertaining. I wonder though why you often advise ending a relationship when a couple can't come to a consensus. Doesn't that happen most of the time in most relationships? With respect to your advice for the foot fetishist this week: Is that the only aspect of his relationship that he should care about? What if that woman isn't into his fetish, but in all other aspects she's a perfect 10? The same holds true for the guy who cheated in a previous relationship, but is currently monogamous and seems mostly happy. Sure, talking about opening a relationship or talking through ALL of your concerns is healthy. But if consensus can't be had on one or two issues, is it really worth throwing it all away?

In my relationship, my partner doesn't always honor my sexual requests and it's sometimes very frustrating. (I have a higher libido than he does.) We've discussed open relationships, but realize it could complicate things a lot and open us up to potential diseases that we're not willing to deal with. (Let's face it, sex with multiple partners is the biggest reason for the rampant spread of AIDS and other STDs throughout the world the past 30 years. And sure, "safe sex" can help prevent the spread, but it does not protect against everything.) Even through my relationship isn't perfect and doesn't provide complete happiness—I argue that love is more important and that nothing in our imperfect world will ever provide complete happiness. The search for perfection may even provide a life of misery. I have heard that "perfection is the enemy of good and achievable."

Will people still cheat and relationships fail because of dishonesty? Certainly. However, it's probably the discussion of the taboo that is the most important aspect of a relationship. And without sounding overly pious, I believe forgiveness is also extremely important. Perhaps if people would consider those aspects of a relationship, the divorce rate wouldn't be so high!

Perfection Isn't Realistic

My response after the jump...

No two people are perfect for each other, of course, and as I've said for years, PIR, there's no settling down without settling for. I've also pointed out many times that "Savage Love" is an advice column not binding arbitration. I told "Sexually Frustrated Fetishist" to dump his girlfriend, true, but he is free to disregard my advice. If SFF's girlfriend is a 10 in every other way and being with her is worth it—worth swallowing his sexual frustration for the next five or six decades—then SFF has my full support should he decide to ignore my advice to stay with her.

But I didn't advise SFF to dump his girlfriend merely because she won't allow him to touch her feet. Her refusal to indulge him in a sexual pleasure that requires so little from her—he's not asking her to learn to tie complicated knots or lay in a tube of ice for 45 minutes before coming to bed—points to more trouble down the road. That kind of selfishness and inconsideration rarely manifests itself in just one area; if this is how she's treating him where his fetish is concerned, PIR, odds are good that she will treat him just as shabbily in other areas (if she isn't already). Also factored into my advice for SFF: he's only 23-years-old and he's been with this woman for four years. Settling down requires settling for, yes, but 19 is awfully young to settle for someone with so little regard for your sexual needs and fulfillment.

As for my advice for Aspiring Honest Nonmonogamous Dude, PIR, AHND said that he cheated in his past relationships and was likely to cheat on his current parter. And while he'd always been a cheating piece of shit (CPOS) in the past, PIR, he wanted to be honest nonmonogamous dude (HND) in the future. I didn't advise AHND to break up with his girlfriend, PIR, but to be honest with her about what he wants and what he's capable of, commitment-wise. An awkward conversation, yes, and potentially a relationship-ending one. But it's also an unavoidable conversation if AHND is going to be an honest nonmonogamous dude and not a cheating piece of shit.

But I agree with you, PIR: no relationship is perfect and we all have to make compromises and concessions. I just don't think the person with the fetish or higher libido should automatically be expected to make the relationship-saving compromise in all cases. SFF isn't asking a lot. Before we tell him to go without for the sake of the relationship, perhaps we should ask SFF's girlfriend to go there for the sake of the relationship. AHND knows that he's not cut out for a monogamous commitment. I think that's something his partner has a right to know, don't you? She can make up her own mind about staying with him after they talk. Maybe strict monogamy is something she's willing to compromise on to be with him—hell, maybe she's up for a nonmonogamous relationship too.

And I agree that the divorce rate is too high. Which is why I think SFF should marry someone good, giving, and game enough to meet his needs—so that he'll be content in his marriage—and AHND should be honest with his partner before he marries her.

 

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tdalec 1
Well said, Dan.
Posted by tdalec on December 10, 2009 at 2:20 PM
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I completely agree, Dan. Although, PIR, you raised a valid question. :)
Posted by SkyBluePink on December 10, 2009 at 2:30 PM
Erin Daisy 3
Yes, yes, yes. Yr on yr game, Mr. Savage.
Posted by Erin Daisy http://www.themomentofchange.blogspot.com on December 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 4
Nothing to argue with there.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on December 10, 2009 at 2:51 PM
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This is awesome, Dan. I wanted to mention that your statement about how "19 is a little young to settle for someone with so little regard for your sexual fulfillment" really struck a chord with me. Starting at the age of 20, I was in a four-year relationship with someone who wasn't even interested in being GGG or talking about sex when I'd bring it up, and I was often unfulfilled. He was also very selfish in other ways. I wish I'd written to you when I'd first noticed the problems in that relationship because I might have come to the conclusion sooner that the relationship should end. However, a few months after that relationship ended, I met the man who would become my husband, who is very GGG and initiates discussions about sex as much as I do. Sex has just gotten better over our six and a half years together. He's also one of the kindest and most generous people I've ever met.
Posted by canada girl on December 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM
kim in portland 6
Well said, Dan and PIR.

Love requires work and choosing to love when we don't feel like it. There is a settling for when we settle down.
Posted by kim in portland http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/fast-paced_video_provides_a_fu.html on December 10, 2009 at 3:11 PM
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When I read SFF's letter, I was thinking the same thing... If this girl is that petty about letting her boyfriend indulge his foot fetish, it's only going to get worse. There will be so many more things that she'll be too much of a princess to do- sexually and otherwise.
Posted by Jamie in Pittsburgh http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/strawberry.limonade?ref=name on December 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM
Vince 8
I am always amazed at how selfish some people are when it comes to pleasing their lovers. It's sad really, when you think how little it takes to please the people we love and we refuse them or ignore them. Then we bitch when we get dumped or cheated on.
Posted by Vince on December 10, 2009 at 3:22 PM
balderdash 9
I'm not necessarily saying this is true for PIR, but I said many of the same things he did and had many of the same thoughts during the ups and downs of the eight years I was in my last relationship.

Note that I said "was." In the end all that stuff about love mattering more just didn't hold up; we were unhappy together - maybe to do with starting too young, maybe personal issues, I don't know - and even though we did and still do love each other so much it still hurts, it just had to end. The brave talk about toughing it out and love mattering more had just served to cover up the fact that we more or less knew things weren't right.

Just my two bits. Sometimes little flaws that won't go away are quite sufficient to bring down what is otherwise an intense, committed, loving relationship.
Posted by balderdash http://introverse.blogspot.com on December 10, 2009 at 3:37 PM
Geni 10
Um, I won't let anyone play with my feet, either. It's not a trivial thing to me; I find it actively unpleasant. I'm horrendously ticklish and oversensitive, plus I think feet are disgusting.
Posted by Geni on December 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM
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Then don't date a foot fetishist FOR FOUR YEARS.
Posted by Dan Savage on December 10, 2009 at 3:50 PM
crazycatguy 12
Look PIR, let's get real. If your sex life isn't in sync, your love life ain't going to make up for it. Oh sure, it's great to go all altruistic on everyone and say how nothing is perfect in our imperfect world blah, blah, blah....but honey, I can tell you from decades of experience, sometimes the ONLY thing right with your man will be what happens in the sack. Sooner or later, probably after a spat over dirty dishes, you will ask yourself why the fuck do I need this - the sex isn't even what I want. And that will be that.....
Posted by crazycatguy on December 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM
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He's 23!

Making a concession at like 28 or 30 when you are in a stable job, life and maybe ready to build a life with someone ...

But don't make a stupid concession when you are stupid young in your 20's ... that ALWAYS fails

Even if it involves children ...
Posted by former tri-state on December 10, 2009 at 5:23 PM
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I completely agree with Dan, crazycatguy, canadagirl and balderdash's assessments and input. But I would like to pose the following question to PIR (if you ever read this). I think the big question for your situation is, does your partner meet you half way? Is he GGG? Because if every time you initiate sex that your boyfriend isn't up for, you are the one that has to compromise, then you are in the same situation as SFF and I think the same advice should follow DTMFA (dump the mother fucker already). If however, half of the time you initiate sex your boyfriend doesn't necessarily want, he makes an honest effort to please and validate your drive then you have nothing to worry about. Love only takes you so far PIR and sex is just as important, especially for those of us with high sex drives. Again, I would be really wary if I was in your shoes and was only getting any when the boyfriend feels up to it without any concern of how i felt.
Posted by luis on December 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM
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Exactly. It's not like he's asking her to eat shit or something, hell, she doesn't even have to actively *do* anything. All he's asking her is to lie back and enjoy a footrub, some kisses on the feet, and the height of this whole thing is what, penis on foot contact? Not gonna be painful or anything, just roll with it. If you can't, what's the big deal? We all do things for our partners because we love them, and we know it makes them happy. It's not a sacrifice even, she's only in neutral about this.

The boyfriend shouldn't be made out to be a bad guy just because he has sexual desires that are somewhat non-standard. It's not my thing, but I understand it's pretty common, and 100% harmless. He's not a bad person for wanting something we all want: sexual fulfillment, especially with the woman he loves. She's just being a selfish asshole.
Posted by JudT on December 10, 2009 at 9:13 PM
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Ice comes in tubes?
Posted by Quinapalus on December 10, 2009 at 10:31 PM
Urgutha Forka 17
It really just comes down to three things:

1. What you want
2. What you have
3. What you can easily get elsewhere

If #2 satisfies #1, then no problem. If not, then if #3 satisfies #1 when #2 doesn't, then there's a problem.

The key word is "easily"
Posted by Urgutha Forka on December 10, 2009 at 11:50 PM
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I think part of the problem for the foot fetishist's girlfriend is that she is very young and may believe that if she does anything sexually that she isn't 100% into she is being used. She is probably very idealistic and doesn't want to be the kind of woman who would let herself be used by a man. If it is framed for her in a different way she may be able to get past that.
Posted by dearduskyNH on December 11, 2009 at 3:58 AM
singing cynic 19
I also think that one of the reasons Dan suggests breaking up to so many sexually frustrated people is that no one else will. All other advice columnists -- and often, most 'friends' of such people -- put the blame on the partner with desire, because "it's just sex", implying that they're the ones with the problem and that if they ever want to be happy with anyone they should just forget about their dirty, dirty needs.

Deprived kinksters and fetishists, and partners being otherwise frozen out need to hear that it's okay to want to break up, and that there is someone out there for them who will happily fulfill their desires.

/rant.

Posted by singing cynic on December 11, 2009 at 4:06 AM
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19 FTW
Posted by MT3 on December 11, 2009 at 7:10 AM
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I am repulsed by feet - I don't even like to see them and I HATE it when someones bare feet accidentally touch mine. It would suck to be in a relationship with a foot fetishist because I don't think I could be GGG about it. Just about anything else would be easier.

I don't get the sense from the letter that this is the gf issue though. It does just seem to be a "I'd prefer not to" thing
Posted by 123456 on December 11, 2009 at 7:40 AM
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Well said, Dan. The problem with this couple wasn't just that there was a mismatch in their interests, but that she refused to TRY the foot fetish thing. She wasn't willing to see if she could expand her repertoire or share his interests. And he wrote in to tell Dan he couldn't go the rest of his life without satisfying his foot fetish. So Dan responded, quite reasonably, to that.
Posted by Gudrun Brangwen on December 11, 2009 at 12:14 PM
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It's true that perfection isn't realistic but a happy sex life is important. I have friend who loves seafood and lives with a man who won't even allow it in the house as he can't stand the smell. So, she can only have seafood at restaurants and friends homes. She accepts that she will never get to make her own seafood in her own kitchen and when you are looking at the rest of your life that's a long time...but a fair compromise to make when the rest of the relationship is good. A compromise that says you never get your sexual needs met is not realistic. Some things are too important to give up.
Posted by no perfection on December 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM
Drew in Palm Springs 24
I am a former CPOS, cured by this brazen strategy: early on in a dating-situation-that-might-become-serious, I say something along the lines of "I don't have a jealous bone in my body. We're men, and men are sexual opportunists because of how we evolved. If I'm with someone and he jumps into bed with some hot dude he meets at the supermarket, I'm not threatened by that in the least. However, if he then goes out to dinner with the hot dude and they sit talking about their lives and their hopes and aspirations for three hours over coffee, we would need to discuss that."

That pretty much takes monogamy off the table from the git go. And, for my own psychology, it robs cheating on my honey of any of the "forbidden fruit" aspect. So I'm much, much, much less prone to do it if things go anywhere.
Posted by Drew in Palm Springs http://singletails.blogspot.com on December 12, 2009 at 10:58 AM

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