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Wednesday, December 9, 2009

Cantwell Explains Her Knox Stand

Posted by on Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Yesterday I sent a few questions to Senator Maria Cantwell about her entry into the debate over the Amanda Knox trial, and her recent statement that she was "saddened" by the guilty verdict.

The questions:

1. Does Senator Cantwell believe that Amanda Knox is innocent?

2. How closely did the senator follow the trial?

3. Can you describe further what she means by her suggestion that "anti-Americanism" may have tainted the trial? (The other two convicts in the case are Italian and African.)

4. What does she plan to say to Secretary of State Clinton when she meets with her to discuss the Knox case?

Today John Diamond, Cantwell's communications director, sent me some answers:

* Senator Cantwell wants to ensure that Amanda Knox gets a fair trial, and now a fair appeal, by an impartial tribunal. She believes it is the responsibility of the U.S. Government to press for fair treatment for any U.S. citizen facing legal jeopardy overseas. In much the same way, she believes that any foreign national on trial in the U.S. should be treated fairly and that such an individual’s government should speak out otherwise.

* Senator Cantwell is not making a judgment in this case beyond saying she has “serious concerns” about the guilty verdict. Her concern all along has been whether there was adequate due process and a fair trial. Senator Cantwell has serious concerns about the treatment of Knox after her arrest, the mishandling of evidence during the initial investigation, the failure to sequester the jury, the prosecution’s reckless leaking to press, and the pending indictment against one of the prosecutors for misconduct in another murder trial. She has to speak out forcefully because Ms. Knox has little or no voice in Italy. Senator Cantwell is concerned that for these reasons Knox did not get a fair trial by an impartial jury.

* Senator Cantwell received regular updates on the trial and stayed in regular contact with the family and with the U.S. Embassy in Rome throughout the trial. She did not follow the courtroom sessions daily. We limited our comments during the entire process to calling for fair treatment and due process. Now that a verdict has been rendered we are speaking out forcefully to ensure that attention is drawn to what we believe to have been serious irregularities.

* The trial took place in a context of strained relations with Italy on a number of fronts: the 1998 cable car incident in which 20 Italians died when a passing U.S. military aircraft severed the cable; the conviction in absentia in November 2009 of 22 Americans involved in an alleged CIA kidnapping of a terrorist suspect in Milan in 2003; the unpopularity of the Iraq War; as well as negative stereotypes about American college students, particularly women. All of this and more was reflected in Italian media press coverage that the jury was exposed to.

* In her meeting with Secretary Clinton, Senator Cantwell will ask the administration to convey to the Italian government that the United States expects Amanda Knox to receive a fair appeal, by an impartial tribunal and that the U.S. and world are watching closely. These are international standards required by Italian commitments to the European Union and the Council of Europe.

* Senator Cantwell encourages her constituents to contact her directly to share their views. The many letters and emails she has received from Washington staters run strongly in favor of her speaking out on behalf of a Seattle resident embroiled in an extremely difficult legal situation in a foreign country.

Diamond added that Cantwell's D.C. office has not yet received a copy of the letter Charles posted earlier, written by the people at True Justice for Meredith Kercher.

 

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CocoBot 1
Great to post this when that truthjustice whatever site came out with an open letter. How many people signed it anyways? 4? Did they have a little group meeting? Let's see the signature list.
Posted by CocoBot on December 9, 2009 at 3:01 PM
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Just who are The Knoxes and why do they have all this pull to make a Senator whine for them.

That would be story a real journalist would explore...

As far as they go, I think that based on their daughters behavior they should be glad she's in an Italian prison. From what I can tell (48 Hours), she seemed mixed up with a lot of shady men. Were some of them terrorists? Or drug dealers?

Think of this as a half-way house...
Posted by Lizzy Borden on December 9, 2009 at 3:18 PM
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What an insult to the Italians - international obligations, blah blah. It was a damning indictment, a weak defense undermined by the mendacity of the defendants themselves, and the trial was conducted in accordance with every standard of local jurisprudence. The case was sensational becuase the crime was, and the public prejudice of guilt was so strong becuase the case as laid out in the indictment was.
Cantwell simply shows herself to be cut from the same cloth of American Chauvanism with which team Knox girds it's loins.
Posted by kinaidos on December 9, 2009 at 3:28 PM
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You get the signature list when we see who signed the anti-gay marriage referendum.

I saw Cantwell on CNN and I couldn't believe her. She did say she didn't know if Amanda was innocent but she kept on with "impartial tribunal". What she meant is anyone's guess. Non-Italians on the jury? Sequestered Italians? Military? (FYI, most Italian juries AND American juries are NOT sequestered. Every court gets to make their own judgment on how that is handled. Sorry, Maria.)

Ms. Knox's family failure to get the U.S. Consulate in there from the get-go is not the Italian court's fault. If my child was in a foreign country and a roommate got murdered, I'd get the Consulate on the phone, get a lawyer and fly there immediately. Apparently this did not happen.

What might seem "irregular" to Americans is a different legal system. The minute you have governments trying to interfere with each other's justice system, well, good luck with that. And our own justice system is far from perfect.

To believe that the Italian judicial system went after Amanda Knox to settle old scores is just crazy. It would be very dumb for any country to try to play gotcha! with the U.S and for an ally to do it is implausible.

Negative stereotypes about American college students? Well, some of that may be fact-based but I've lived in Italy, married an Italian and I haven't felt or seen expressed anti-American sentiment (except for our food). I'm not saying Italians don't have their opinions but Cantwell makes it sound like the trial was set in the Roman colosseum with a thumbs up or thumbs down.

It is bad precedent for Senator Cantwell to ask for special favors. Maybe she's just doing this to look like she's doing something and knows perfectly well how wrong and inappropriate it is to challenge another country's justice system (particularly an ally).
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Posted by westello on December 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM
Will in Seattle 5
people (incorrectly) assume that Justice as it exists in their country is the same as Justice in another country.

It very rarely is.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 9, 2009 at 4:25 PM
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It is amazing how so many people do not understand it when a prosecution has been handled in a deceitful manner. Frying computers, putting horrible misinformation in the media before trial, not evaluating the crime scene properly is misusing evidence, and creating circumstances that the defendants have no power to refute are all tools by those who abuse their power and deny one a fair trial. Fair and just means the prosecution is not allowed to hide exculpatory evidence and lie about details for the benefit of media profit, as well as a little under the table stuff.

Those who can not be honest will get it eventually.
Posted by GillyGilly on December 9, 2009 at 4:38 PM
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@5 Will, Im waiting on the edge of my chair for your analysis of global jurisprudence.

I wish our senator was more concerned about health care reform, an illegal war, global warming, the economy, etc. etc.
Posted by voteherout on December 9, 2009 at 4:50 PM
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@6 "Those who can not be honest will get it eventually."

Like Amanda?
Posted by PatrickLmumba on December 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Will, this is how our country handles justice.

http://detainee063.com/

Italy don't look so bad, huh?
Posted by Hee-Haw on December 9, 2009 at 5:12 PM
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I'd just like to thank Charles Mudede for so expertly rendering me completely incapable of giving a shit about this whole case by posting some picture or another of Knox, along with a comment like "It is the fact of the eyes that shows that what is known is not anything," roughly once a day.
Posted by Ben on December 9, 2009 at 5:37 PM
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It would be nice to have some numbers: how many letters has Senator Cantwell received? And there are two issues here: speaking out in support of a Washington State citizen is one thing; making a blistering and baseless attack on the justice system of a sovereign democracy and US ally is another. I can't believe the State Department thought the content and tone of Senator Cantwell's statement were acceptable. In fact, she implies that the State Department was remiss in this matter. Yet the State Department says it has done its usual due diligence, monitored the situation throughout and found none of the serious failures that Cantwell alleges.

What I read above sounds like doublespeak.
Posted by Hiroshima Mon Amour on December 9, 2009 at 6:12 PM
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Ah, so that's it. It was revenge for the gondola wreck. I knew it all along!
Posted by Jk on December 9, 2009 at 6:14 PM
Max Solomon 13
keep it up, Maria. the UW got all lawyer-y when i asked them to end the overseas program in Perugia in protest of the prosecution and verdict. they said that Italy is still safe for students. really. they have no intention of fighting for her.

haters, WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE?

Posted by Max Solomon on December 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM
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End the overseas program? You must be joking. Maybe you can get the State Department to declare Italy a hot spot. Good luck with that one. As a UW student, I must strenuously object to your attempt to deprive me and others to the right to study abroad. Just because Amanda Knox got herself in trouble?
Posted by Hiroshima Mon Amour on December 9, 2009 at 6:25 PM
Free Lunch 15
Well, thank god there will be an appeal, because I'm not already sick to death of this story.
Posted by Free Lunch on December 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM
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Italian incarceration rate = 110 per 100,000
US incarceration rate = 747 per 100,000

If I had to choose, I'd rather be tried in Italy.

Although there are fewer Italians I'd like to kill...
Posted by codswallower on December 9, 2009 at 10:09 PM
thelittlebird 17
Look, as a dual citizen of both Italy and the US, currently living in Italy, I can confidently and assuredly say this - Cantwell's concern about this being an anti-American thing is wrong (and appalling.) Italians do not hate Americans. Not even close! Negative stereotypes about American college students are actually in many cases well-warranted, but are no indication of some deep rooted hatred for this country. Italians, by and large, appreciate American tourism and the establishment of foreign college programs. In fact, American tourists and students are good for the Italian economy. We appreciate this.
I'm sick of hearing (non Italians, non Italian-speaking, non Italy-living) people say that Italy hates America. Give me a break! Learn the language, meet some Italians, live in the country - educate yourself before making blanket statements.
I might add, Italians are not happy about these accusations of anti-americanism. So, these accusatory statements? Not helping Amanda. People here, even those who may have had questions about the trial verdict, are now throwing their hands up in the air and saying - go to hell. Don't go crying anti-Americanism. It's wrong, inappropriate, and ridiculous.
Posted by thelittlebird on December 10, 2009 at 1:20 AM
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All nations are tougher on foreigners who get caught up in their legal system, its no big deal.

Amanda Knox was convicted because the Italian legal system is largely theater rather than a factual inquiry focusing on the truth which is what Americans are used to. Anti-American feelings, if any, were not major factor.
Posted by FoolsGold on December 10, 2009 at 3:22 AM
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Discrepancies in her testimony to the police - she was interrogated for FORTY HOURS STRAIGHT! And she was convicted by a jury of ten people two of whom were JUDGES on the trial! Oh, and the prosecutor, Mignini, is a whack-job conspiracy theorist who is convinced that satanist death cults are trying to destroy the catholic church (not a bad idea actually). And never mind that the two defendants miraculously managed to commit a horrifically bloody crime without leaving so much as a shred of their own DNA evidence behind!? And what about the guy that already confessed to the crime and is now doing time for it? This wasn't a trial, it was a circus freak-show italian style. In lieu of doing anything about their own rampant organized crime plague, the italian injustice system decided to throw the book at an American exchange student that almost certainly could not have committed this crime. And to all the above 'presumption of guilt' assholes, I'd like to see you all rot in an italian prison for crimes that you did not commit. Piss on italy, I'm going to Spain!
Posted by shawnason on December 10, 2009 at 10:52 AM
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Oh, please, this anti-foreigner stuff is total BS!

Knox is hardly singled out for being American, or some sort of scape-goat, if anything, Sollecito is, as, unlike the other two, he comes from a rich, well-connected Italian family, with a famous lawyer who is also a member of parliament!

thelittlebird said it best. How many of you who are decrying the Italian judicial system have any personal experience? How many of you read Italian well enough to read the original information in Italian and understand it? One thing is for sure, CBS, ABC, CNN and others sure can't, and if you are relying on them for a correct translation, you'd be better off with babelfish!

Posted by tom_ch on December 10, 2009 at 11:57 AM
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"she was interrogated for FORTY HOURS STRAIGHT!"

No, she wasn't.

"And she was convicted by a jury of ten people two of whom were JUDGES on the trial!"

No, 8 people, two of which are judges. This is SOP in Italy.

"And what about the guy that already confessed to the crime and is now doing time for it?"

No-one confessed, he has aways claimed innocence and is appealing. If you had read the 100+ page sentencing document (granted, it's in Italian), you would see that he was considered to be only a part of it, that three people were involved, based upon the evidence presented.

" the italian injustice system decided to throw the book at an American exchange student"

First, she wasn't an 'exchange student", but simply a student.

Also, you forgot to mention the rich Italian guy with serious connections, who said that he's not sure that she actually spent the whole night with him. He was also convicted of the same crimes (except for implicating her provably innocent employer, only she did that)

"And to all the above 'presumption of guilt' assholes, I'd like to see you all rot in an italian prison for crimes that you did not commit"

In Italy, there is a presumption of innocence, not guilt. It is up to the prosecution to prove guilt.

They did.

Also, I'd rather be in an Italian prison than a US prison, as in Italy conditions are better, and you are more likely to be released earlier (and alive).

Posted by tom_ch on December 10, 2009 at 12:11 PM
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I'd like to know how many people who say that Amanda did not get justice and accuse Italy of being third world country hold a full current USA passport. Protip: A passport allows you to visit and find out for yourself if a country is third world and prevents you from beliveing everything you see on Fox News. Closet yourself away, believe everything that O'Reilly tells you and you'll turn into a Palin loving, gun totin', World Police stereotype that the rest of the world really does love to hate.
Posted by Anonny-no on December 11, 2009 at 5:40 AM

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