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Good little online petition over at JMG too; thanks for the link. Not exactly shocking that a local Uganda bottler is either inattentive or a shmuck, but still fitting that PepsiCo should have to repond.
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Hmm, "ranters, haters, and schismatics" = only applies to those that don't agree with homosexual ideology.
If the ranting, hating, meddling and coercion is done by homosexual groups, then it doesn't apply, its fine for self identified homosexuals who are not even African much the less Ugandans to be dictating on what goes on in said nation.
If the ranting, hating, meddling and coercion is done by homosexual groups, then it doesn't apply, its fine for self identified homosexuals who are not even African much the less Ugandans to be dictating on what goes on in said nation.
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i kinda wanted to say something about this when it happend, but remember when you guys sponsored the major lazer show?
major lazer's debut album -- the one they were touring in support of when you promoted their show in seattle -- contains tracks by at least two artists who have produced content just as nasty as beenie man's: vybz kartel and tok.
major lazer's debut album -- the one they were touring in support of when you promoted their show in seattle -- contains tracks by at least two artists who have produced content just as nasty as beenie man's: vybz kartel and tok.
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@3 Please, for the love of Mike, tell me you support these laws in Uganda.
I think if you say you do I can finally write you off as a troll or a person unworthy of my thoughts.
I think if you say you do I can finally write you off as a troll or a person unworthy of my thoughts.
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And Holy Shitballs!!!! I saw Dan Savage in real life and he was shorter than me!!! AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
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3, Loveschild, is it also wrong for outside groups to meddle in Uganda's and African's rape crisis?
http://www.google.com/search?client=fire…
http://www.google.com/search?client=fire…
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Loveschild supports state murder of gays. It's none of our business. Complaining about it is "meddling". Complaining that prison sentences for people who fail to report homosexuals to the authorities so they can be executed is just more gay agenda rubbish.
Fuck you, Loveschild. Fuck you hard. You're a god damned hate criminal. You worship state-sponsored evil. Your piddly little imaginary Christ can't hear you.
That letter to Pepsi was terrible, I have to say. It had about twice as many words as it should have, and it's not pointed enough. Mine began "I have purchased my last Pepsi product".
I think the gays should organize a boycott of all things Uganda, including some prominent Western companies that do business there. A complete boycott of Pepsi until they agree to suspend all operations in that country would be a good place to start. It's all well and good to meekly say "um, excuse me, this is worrisome" but I really think a major international action against Uganda is warranted. Meddlesome? Who gives a shit? Uganda is an enemy of civil rights.
Fuck you, Loveschild. Fuck you hard. You're a god damned hate criminal. You worship state-sponsored evil. Your piddly little imaginary Christ can't hear you.
That letter to Pepsi was terrible, I have to say. It had about twice as many words as it should have, and it's not pointed enough. Mine began "I have purchased my last Pepsi product".
I think the gays should organize a boycott of all things Uganda, including some prominent Western companies that do business there. A complete boycott of Pepsi until they agree to suspend all operations in that country would be a good place to start. It's all well and good to meekly say "um, excuse me, this is worrisome" but I really think a major international action against Uganda is warranted. Meddlesome? Who gives a shit? Uganda is an enemy of civil rights.
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There is no safe moral position, when it comes to soft drinks. I have usually chosen Pepsi because of Coke's shitty history with American civil rights, but now that this news has come up, I'm switching to NuGrape.
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@4 I think you're onto something! XD
YAWN, loveschild. Your trolling is such a bore. Answer 6's fucking question already, it's making you look like the biggest coward on Slog.
YAWN, loveschild. Your trolling is such a bore. Answer 6's fucking question already, it's making you look like the biggest coward on Slog.
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@ immoral creep 9,
I don't support murder of any sort, but unlike you nor many here i do not romanticize nor yearn for the good o'l days of colonialism in which a diminutive country like England thought of itself as the bestower of civility and modernity in order to subjugate and commit atrocities in the Caribbean and the African Continent. Even if you deplore the sick mentally that was colonialism from narcissist white powers, that led to the murders, racism, subjugation and destruction of African people, by urging this sort of harassment in a nation that most of you have probably not set foot in, you are allowing for the continuity of such behaviors, under new pretences, but same superiority complex. And that unto itself is a form of colonialism, neo colonialism but an illness none the less.
I don't support murder of any sort, but unlike you nor many here i do not romanticize nor yearn for the good o'l days of colonialism in which a diminutive country like England thought of itself as the bestower of civility and modernity in order to subjugate and commit atrocities in the Caribbean and the African Continent. Even if you deplore the sick mentally that was colonialism from narcissist white powers, that led to the murders, racism, subjugation and destruction of African people, by urging this sort of harassment in a nation that most of you have probably not set foot in, you are allowing for the continuity of such behaviors, under new pretences, but same superiority complex. And that unto itself is a form of colonialism, neo colonialism but an illness none the less.
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Loveschild thinks protesting a death penalty for a "crime" that has no victim is wrong, just because it's in another country.
Maybe Loveschild is right that we shouldn't interfere with stuff that goes on in other sovereign nations. Let's shut down all of our military bases that we have in other sovereign nations, okay?
Visit LC's web site at http://www.marriagedebate.com/, where you will find that Maggie Gallagher is President of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy and a co-author of The Case for Marriage. Comments for Maggie? maggie@imapp.org.
Maybe Loveschild is right that we shouldn't interfere with stuff that goes on in other sovereign nations. Let's shut down all of our military bases that we have in other sovereign nations, okay?
Visit LC's web site at http://www.marriagedebate.com/, where you will find that Maggie Gallagher is President of the Institute for Marriage and Public Policy and a co-author of The Case for Marriage. Comments for Maggie? maggie@imapp.org.
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Loveschild, darling, your virulent anti-gay poison is part and parcel of that colonialism you pretend to decry. The state murder of gays is a religious pogrom, led by Anglicans. They're YOUR people, not mine. You support state murder. Face up to it.
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@16
Sweetie, morality and religion is not an invention of your kin. Morality and social norms in many of the religions that predate colonialism, even Christianity (look up Ethiopia) have existed in the African Continent way before western europeans arrived to it's shores. Self determination, governance and the right to name themselves as an African people including what values they want to promote as a society in their nation and their Continent will always be viewed by snobs with superiority complexes like you as "virulent" or "murderous" so long as they do not reflect your western ideals.
Sweetie, morality and religion is not an invention of your kin. Morality and social norms in many of the religions that predate colonialism, even Christianity (look up Ethiopia) have existed in the African Continent way before western europeans arrived to it's shores. Self determination, governance and the right to name themselves as an African people including what values they want to promote as a society in their nation and their Continent will always be viewed by snobs with superiority complexes like you as "virulent" or "murderous" so long as they do not reflect your western ideals.
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@3:
Not to be the one to get all Godwin's Law up in this, but by that logic, the Allies shouldn't have shut down the concentration camps -- Nazi Germany was a sovereign nation and it's not our right to tell them who they can mass-murder.
Yes, it's exactly the same thing.
Not to be the one to get all Godwin's Law up in this, but by that logic, the Allies shouldn't have shut down the concentration camps -- Nazi Germany was a sovereign nation and it's not our right to tell them who they can mass-murder.
Yes, it's exactly the same thing.
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Death to the blacks. But remember, saying that doesn't make me evil because God told me it was okay
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You're so full of shit your eyes are brown, Loveschild.
Fart along about "morality and social norms" all you want, but state murder of gays is repulsive, whether it comes from Anglican prelates (colonialist, no matter how you deny it) or imaginary pre-Christian religions (we're not talking about Ethiopia here, no matter how desperately you want to change the subject).
Imprisoning people for long sentences for failing to turn in homosexuals -- another feature of this new law you love so much -- doesn't have fuck-all to do with "self-determination". It has to do with hate, and crime. That you would defend this, and try to dress it up in "the right to name themselves", or whatever flatulent misunderstandings of pan-African ideals you have floating like turds in the sewer of your mind, is not so much outrageous as it is sad, and predictable.
I notice that for all your Africanist B.S. about "Ethiopian religion" your own religion is a classic brain-dead East Texas backwater, backwoods, backwards, and back-assward form of Christianity. "Colonialist" to the core, and unenlightened to the core. Your own views fit perfectly with your sharecropper world that hasn't changed a lick since Jim Crow. Why you think that would be a good fit in Uganda of all places is anyone's guess.
Uganda is the scene of some of the world's most horrific mass murders: Idi Amin, the expulsion of the Asians, war with Tanzania, and spillover from both the Rwandan massacre and the Congo civil war. Ah, but the real problem is colonialism, according to you. But you know NOTHING about colonialism; you can't even tell one African country from another.
And your religion -- YOUR religion, not Ethiopia's -- is not only the chief agent of that colonialism, it's the chief agent by which child slavery, child soldiers, mass murder, racial murder have been promulgated across that country. Colonialism? That's YOUR baby, bitch. You want "societal norms"? Six million or more butchered, that's your societal norm.
And now they're coming for the gays. It's not surprising at all to see them attempt to justify their moral, economic, and governmental collapse by blaming faggots. It's something you yourself do every day; it's something a hallmark of your kind of backwoods religion. You're too stupid and afraid to cope with the modern world, so you turn in fear and hatred to the most atavistic religion. So are they. It won't help, of course; if anything, it's going to hasten Uganda's descent into the toilet (if indeed they can descend any further).
It's not my fault, darling; it's yours. Your religious beliefs are incompatible with the human experience, and so are theirs. You're losing this war, which is a good thing. I look forward to the day when you drag your sorry ass over to Uganda to enjoy the benefits of all that "society in their nation", while us gay-lovin' degenerates continue to live in functioning societies.
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Fart along about "morality and social norms" all you want, but state murder of gays is repulsive, whether it comes from Anglican prelates (colonialist, no matter how you deny it) or imaginary pre-Christian religions (we're not talking about Ethiopia here, no matter how desperately you want to change the subject).
Imprisoning people for long sentences for failing to turn in homosexuals -- another feature of this new law you love so much -- doesn't have fuck-all to do with "self-determination". It has to do with hate, and crime. That you would defend this, and try to dress it up in "the right to name themselves", or whatever flatulent misunderstandings of pan-African ideals you have floating like turds in the sewer of your mind, is not so much outrageous as it is sad, and predictable.
I notice that for all your Africanist B.S. about "Ethiopian religion" your own religion is a classic brain-dead East Texas backwater, backwoods, backwards, and back-assward form of Christianity. "Colonialist" to the core, and unenlightened to the core. Your own views fit perfectly with your sharecropper world that hasn't changed a lick since Jim Crow. Why you think that would be a good fit in Uganda of all places is anyone's guess.
Uganda is the scene of some of the world's most horrific mass murders: Idi Amin, the expulsion of the Asians, war with Tanzania, and spillover from both the Rwandan massacre and the Congo civil war. Ah, but the real problem is colonialism, according to you. But you know NOTHING about colonialism; you can't even tell one African country from another.
And your religion -- YOUR religion, not Ethiopia's -- is not only the chief agent of that colonialism, it's the chief agent by which child slavery, child soldiers, mass murder, racial murder have been promulgated across that country. Colonialism? That's YOUR baby, bitch. You want "societal norms"? Six million or more butchered, that's your societal norm.
And now they're coming for the gays. It's not surprising at all to see them attempt to justify their moral, economic, and governmental collapse by blaming faggots. It's something you yourself do every day; it's something a hallmark of your kind of backwoods religion. You're too stupid and afraid to cope with the modern world, so you turn in fear and hatred to the most atavistic religion. So are they. It won't help, of course; if anything, it's going to hasten Uganda's descent into the toilet (if indeed they can descend any further).
It's not my fault, darling; it's yours. Your religious beliefs are incompatible with the human experience, and so are theirs. You're losing this war, which is a good thing. I look forward to the day when you drag your sorry ass over to Uganda to enjoy the benefits of all that "society in their nation", while us gay-lovin' degenerates continue to live in functioning societies.
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@22 Say what you want, you and your ilk DO NOT GET TO DICTATE the type of government nor define what the morality of African people needs to be, and never will again. You will just have to get your fix in whatever old documentaries or stolen indigenous artifacts you can get your slimy hands over to feel the same type of sick power your forefathers once felt.
In this day and age, as we approach a new decade, the cumulative unity of African peoples with non-western nations that do not go about imposing their new age stupidity and ideals upon them, will increase, become more prevalent and will render null the blackmailing and arm-twisting condescending attitude from european nations that has been the preferred method executed by them ever since the evil of colonialism was evicted from the African Continent.
In this day and age, as we approach a new decade, the cumulative unity of African peoples with non-western nations that do not go about imposing their new age stupidity and ideals upon them, will increase, become more prevalent and will render null the blackmailing and arm-twisting condescending attitude from european nations that has been the preferred method executed by them ever since the evil of colonialism was evicted from the African Continent.
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@Loveschild
In the meantime, who are we to tell South Africa to end its apartheid system? The Afrikaaners have had to deal with imperial England telling them what is "civilized" for too long, oppressing them and suppressing their language. Now they have their independence, it's just neo-imperialism to dictate to them how they should treat people of different races. Sure apartheid might be bad, but divestment and harassment of South Africa (a country you've never set foot in) will only allow the continuity of the apartheid system. You think just because you're in America, you get to dictate what other countries get to do.
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Hmm, lemme guess, the difference here is that black people's rights and lives matter, while gay people's lives don't matter. Oh, and Afrikaaners were white oppressors, which makes it illegitimate oppression. But if black Ugandans want to oppress someone, then we can't complain, because colonialist history now means that we shouldn't hold black Africans to the same standards we hold others.
In the meantime, who are we to tell South Africa to end its apartheid system? The Afrikaaners have had to deal with imperial England telling them what is "civilized" for too long, oppressing them and suppressing their language. Now they have their independence, it's just neo-imperialism to dictate to them how they should treat people of different races. Sure apartheid might be bad, but divestment and harassment of South Africa (a country you've never set foot in) will only allow the continuity of the apartheid system. You think just because you're in America, you get to dictate what other countries get to do.
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Hmm, lemme guess, the difference here is that black people's rights and lives matter, while gay people's lives don't matter. Oh, and Afrikaaners were white oppressors, which makes it illegitimate oppression. But if black Ugandans want to oppress someone, then we can't complain, because colonialist history now means that we shouldn't hold black Africans to the same standards we hold others.
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You are just ignorant, Loveschild. You know nothing about anything. A parade of non-sequitors, that's what you are. Stolen artifacts? What stolen artifacts? The people most likely to be holding stolen artifacts from Uganda are people like YOU. Just like the people most eager to shake the hand of murderous sons of bitches like Uganda's leadership, and congratulate him on his standing up against "the West", are Westerners like you who have benefited most from civil rights actions of the past but wish to deny those benefits to those who follow after.
Need I point out that the victims of Uganda's brutality are not Western gays, but AFRICANS? Mostly non-gay Africans, at that.
Colonialism lives on most vividly in the work of your heroes, Loveschild. You're a piece of shit.
Need I point out that the victims of Uganda's brutality are not Western gays, but AFRICANS? Mostly non-gay Africans, at that.
Colonialism lives on most vividly in the work of your heroes, Loveschild. You're a piece of shit.
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I wish loveschild didn't hate me for being gay... I kinda hoped she would at least be kind of well... sympathetic for people who are going to die now... I don't think they deserve it. I don't think anybody deserves that.
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Cheerio @ 28,
Ignore her entrenched views, she is to be pitied for the hateful persona she presents here.
You are precious. Your compassion shows you to be a better person than she is. Don't let the evil she spills here, day in and day out, get you down.
Ignore her entrenched views, she is to be pitied for the hateful persona she presents here.
You are precious. Your compassion shows you to be a better person than she is. Don't let the evil she spills here, day in and day out, get you down.
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@28 Cheerio, I do not hate people who identify themselves as gay, that's the caricature of me that certain posters (like Kim) here have made of me and of others who don't believe in gay marriage. In fact, I love them, because as a follower of Christ I'm commanded to love all regardless of what they do, even those who despise Him. Not sayin that's your case.
In Dan's first post about this i made clear i valued all human life and that although i don't agree with the arm twisting and extortion being done by the usual western suspects against an African nation, i'm glad that the death penalty is not going to be implemented here.
What i don't agree with is with the coercion and with westerners coming in to dictate to an African nation about the laws of it government, im sorry, but that's none of the business of Sweden, the UK nor any elitist Seattleite. Otherwise, African nations should have the same right to dictate on the many myriad of stupid laws on the books on europe and here. But it doesn't get to work that way, only western nations get to coerce and enforce their will upon them and that's what I object to.
In Dan's first post about this i made clear i valued all human life and that although i don't agree with the arm twisting and extortion being done by the usual western suspects against an African nation, i'm glad that the death penalty is not going to be implemented here.
What i don't agree with is with the coercion and with westerners coming in to dictate to an African nation about the laws of it government, im sorry, but that's none of the business of Sweden, the UK nor any elitist Seattleite. Otherwise, African nations should have the same right to dictate on the many myriad of stupid laws on the books on europe and here. But it doesn't get to work that way, only western nations get to coerce and enforce their will upon them and that's what I object to.
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Isn't the Catholic Church trying to get the District of Columbia to not enact certain laws it disagrees with by withholding services that they run? Buncha foreigners trying to tell us what to do. how reprehensible...
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While this sucks (boo, Pepsi organizer, hiss) don't mistake Coca-cola as some sort of good guy. This is off topic, but they suck, and not in the good way. Their notorious groundwater depleting bottling plants in such countries as India also contain many harmful chemicals not fit for human touch much less consumption. http://environment.about.com/od/waterpol… (If you really want to push a cola, perhaps smile upon one that is a small company, that bottles locally? Maybe Jones soda?)
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Actually, we DO get to dictate what kind of laws other countries put on their books.
Any human being who supports basic human rights gets to speak out when governments pass or try to pass laws that violate them, even when they're not our governments.
Any country that is a signatory to the UN Declaration of Human Rights is obliged to speak out when other governments pass or try to pass laws that violate human rights.
Any government of a Commonwealth country has an obligation to speak out when a member of the Commonwealth passes or tries to pass laws that violate the laws, ideals and responsibilities Commonwealth countries share.
Any country that provides aid to another country gets to withdraw that aid if said country passes laws that violate the tenets of basic human rights.
This is not colonialism; it's the shared responsibility of all human beings. That's what the world is like today, Loveschild you fucking moron.
By the way, Pepsi has issued an apology.
Any human being who supports basic human rights gets to speak out when governments pass or try to pass laws that violate them, even when they're not our governments.
Any country that is a signatory to the UN Declaration of Human Rights is obliged to speak out when other governments pass or try to pass laws that violate human rights.
Any government of a Commonwealth country has an obligation to speak out when a member of the Commonwealth passes or tries to pass laws that violate the laws, ideals and responsibilities Commonwealth countries share.
Any country that provides aid to another country gets to withdraw that aid if said country passes laws that violate the tenets of basic human rights.
This is not colonialism; it's the shared responsibility of all human beings. That's what the world is like today, Loveschild you fucking moron.
By the way, Pepsi has issued an apology.
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In Loveschild's universe, African nations alone get a free pass to enact the most evil laws imaginable, because to have an opinion on the civil rights OF AFRICANS is colonialist.
Loveschild defends state murder, in other words.
We don't give a shit WHY you defend state murder. We just enjoy watching you tramp the excrement of Big Brother terror all over your own living room. And you just decorated!
Loveschild defends state murder, in other words.
We don't give a shit WHY you defend state murder. We just enjoy watching you tramp the excrement of Big Brother terror all over your own living room. And you just decorated!
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Sorry, Loves @ 30.
That caricature is all of your own making, sweetie. You planted the seed, you watered it, and now its growing. You don't like the harvest your reaping? That is not my fault, but the coward that you are you will try and blame the rest of us for your poverty. I will not be your whipping boy.
That caricature is all of your own making, sweetie. You planted the seed, you watered it, and now its growing. You don't like the harvest your reaping? That is not my fault, but the coward that you are you will try and blame the rest of us for your poverty. I will not be your whipping boy.
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@3, 13, 18, 23, 30: I with Charles Napier (context: some Indians whining about how it was disrespecting their "culture" to not allow them to perform suttee):
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
If Uganda passes this barbarous law, I vote for invading them and setting up a protectorate, as they will have clearly proven themselves incapable of responsible self-government.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."
If Uganda passes this barbarous law, I vote for invading them and setting up a protectorate, as they will have clearly proven themselves incapable of responsible self-government.
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Were you aware that conservative American ideologues like Rick Warren and certain C Street senators traveled to Uganda to promote this legislation? Does that count as "meddling"?
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So loveschild, you're glad it's not going to be the death penalty for gays (unless they have HIV+).
Are you glad that it's life imprisonment for gays?
And as for arm-twisting, I would happily see the same tactics used against any Western nation. But Western nations don't implement the death penalty for homosexuality. Funny, that.
But for a more mild case, I would happily see there be some consequences for Switzerland's minaret ban. It is also discriminatory and against human rights. But there is quite a bit less urgency, as the Swiss aren't killing Muslims, or even Muslims who build minarets.
And Sweden is under no obligation to send any money to Uganda. Sweden has only a fleeting history of colonization (not one lasted more than 8 years) in the 1600s. Sweden had nothing to do with Uganda. So if Sweden wants to say they're not going to keep sending money to Uganda, that's their business. If you don't like it, then fuck off, you can't tell Sweden what to do. The only sad thing is that there aren't more Swedens in the world.
Are you glad that it's life imprisonment for gays?
And as for arm-twisting, I would happily see the same tactics used against any Western nation. But Western nations don't implement the death penalty for homosexuality. Funny, that.
But for a more mild case, I would happily see there be some consequences for Switzerland's minaret ban. It is also discriminatory and against human rights. But there is quite a bit less urgency, as the Swiss aren't killing Muslims, or even Muslims who build minarets.
And Sweden is under no obligation to send any money to Uganda. Sweden has only a fleeting history of colonization (not one lasted more than 8 years) in the 1600s. Sweden had nothing to do with Uganda. So if Sweden wants to say they're not going to keep sending money to Uganda, that's their business. If you don't like it, then fuck off, you can't tell Sweden what to do. The only sad thing is that there aren't more Swedens in the world.
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