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Politics Sarah Palin: Where's the Birth Certificate?
Posted by Dan Savage on Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 9:14 AM
Sarah Palin goes there:
Remember how John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone—on foreign soil—and there were questions about whether McCain was a "natural born citizen of the United States," and if was eligible to be president? Remember what prominent Democrats had to say about that?
Is John McCain a real American? Democrats think so. While they intend to work diligently to keep the presumptive GOP presidential nominee from winning the White House in November, they think he has the legal right to do so, even though he was born at a US naval base in the Panama Canal Zone. The Constitution says a president must be a "natural born citizen,'' and questions have been raised about whether McCain's birthplace makes him ineligible. Nonsense, said Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, who is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Leahy and Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri—both of whom have endorsed Illinois Senator Barack Obama for president—have introduced a sense-of-the-Senate resolution stating that McCain, who is a decorated veteran of the Vietnam War, is a natural-born American citizen.
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I am somehow not surprised. It is either stupidity or racism (or both) to keep this bogus assertion that there is somehow validity to the Birthers' claims.
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John McCain was not born on foreign soil. He was born in the Panama Canal zone which was US terroritory at the time.
Or did you forget what Imperialism is? Or what Colonisation is?
Idiot.
Or did you forget what Imperialism is? Or what Colonisation is?
Idiot.
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This is what my research told me:
Being born in Kenya is a wee bit different, no?
He is a "citizen at birth". I think the problem is there is no precedent to equate this with natural born citizenship.
Fourteenth amendment:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
"Born" is natural born, "naturalized" otherwise (by law rather than by birth).
Then from wikipedia:
Current US statutes define certain individuals born overseas as "citizens at birth," as opposed to citizens by birth.
The question seems to be whether "at birth" was supposed to mean natural born, or a sort of instant naturalization at birth.
Being born in Kenya is a wee bit different, no?
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As if there were any doubt about Sarah Palin's fitness to lead from her Katie Couric interview to her resignation to her claim that polar bears are not an endangered species, this surely is a new low.
The issue is not just a dead issue, it never was a live issue. The people who keep trotting it around like Terry Kiser from Weekend at Bernie's in blackface show a total ignorance of US law and precedence.
But. The only way to combat a lie is the truth. Here's the truth:
1> Obama was born in Hawaii. His birth was reported in two local papers. He posted his birth certificate on the web. Reputable journalistic sources have verified this as fact well beyond any reasonable doubt.
2> Even if the Birthers are right, they're wrong. US law recognizes "natural born" citizenship status through a modified form of _jus sangularis_. Every child of an American mother may claim birthright US citizenship no matter where he or she may have been born. It doesn't mattr whether The Big O was born in Hawaii, Kenya, Moscow, on a ship in international waters, of the moon. Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was a US citizen, therefore so is her son. Case closed.
The issue is not just a dead issue, it never was a live issue. The people who keep trotting it around like Terry Kiser from Weekend at Bernie's in blackface show a total ignorance of US law and precedence.
But. The only way to combat a lie is the truth. Here's the truth:
1> Obama was born in Hawaii. His birth was reported in two local papers. He posted his birth certificate on the web. Reputable journalistic sources have verified this as fact well beyond any reasonable doubt.
2> Even if the Birthers are right, they're wrong. US law recognizes "natural born" citizenship status through a modified form of _jus sangularis_. Every child of an American mother may claim birthright US citizenship no matter where he or she may have been born. It doesn't mattr whether The Big O was born in Hawaii, Kenya, Moscow, on a ship in international waters, of the moon. Stanley Ann Dunham Obama was a US citizen, therefore so is her son. Case closed.
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All of this is completely inane and stupid.
To be a "natural born citizen" just means that you were born a citizen, it doesn't matter WHERE you were born.
If a person was born to US citizen parents ANYWHERE in the world, they would STILL be a US Citizen at birth. Period. This is so completely obvious to anyone who takes half a minute to read the text and engage their brain.
The "birthers" seem unwilling to do either, and in the end they're just racist nutjobs.
To be a "natural born citizen" just means that you were born a citizen, it doesn't matter WHERE you were born.
If a person was born to US citizen parents ANYWHERE in the world, they would STILL be a US Citizen at birth. Period. This is so completely obvious to anyone who takes half a minute to read the text and engage their brain.
The "birthers" seem unwilling to do either, and in the end they're just racist nutjobs.
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@5--Only a fool could possibly make the argument that "citizen at birth" ≠ "natural born citizen." It's sad that there are so many fools Admitted to the Bar.
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The facts:
Barack Hussein Obama has not proven his eligibility to be POTUS. He has refused to.
Each and every one of his predecessors duly proved their eligibility. Why won't he?
Why has he spent millions fighting the inquiries? Why won't he release his medical and or college and or law school records?
This man has something to hide, and right thinking loyal Americans should be as worried about this as I am.
Barack Hussein Obama has not proven his eligibility to be POTUS. He has refused to.
Each and every one of his predecessors duly proved their eligibility. Why won't he?
Why has he spent millions fighting the inquiries? Why won't he release his medical and or college and or law school records?
This man has something to hide, and right thinking loyal Americans should be as worried about this as I am.
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I remember a few years back, in a "Testing the waters" kind of way, the Republican party put out some ads calling for people to write their congressman telling them to introduce a bill to change the constitution to allow citizens, regardless of when they became citizens, to be President. The goal was to allow AHNOLD Governator to be allowed to run for President.
How soon they forget...
How soon they forget...
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bir…
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/grap…
If this is not sufficient proof for you, you are an idiot.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/grap…
If this is not sufficient proof for you, you are an idiot.
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She also said that global warming isn't real. The only reason she is popular is because of the ignorant masses. They are really, really ignorant, and there are masses of them.
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All of the kids born to our missionaries on foreign soils are considered U.S. citizens, so why wouldn't Obama be a citizen? If I was on vacation in Mexico or Canada and went into early labor & the baby lived, s/he'd be a U.S. citizen. This is such a stupid issue.
The whole point of the issue being in our constitution was to try to keep someone out of political office who might have ties to other countries. OBVIOUSLY that is not the case with Obama--geez.
The whole point of the issue being in our constitution was to try to keep someone out of political office who might have ties to other countries. OBVIOUSLY that is not the case with Obama--geez.
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[Citation needed]
[Citation needed]
[Citation needed]
Has anyone here seen Sarah Palin's original birthcertificate?
Barack Hussein Obama has not proven his eligibility to be POTUS. He has refused to.
[Citation needed]
Each and every one of his predecessors duly proved their eligibility. Why won't he?
[Citation needed]
Why has he spent millions fighting the inquiries? Why won't he release his medical and or college and or law school records?
[Citation needed]
Has anyone here seen Sarah Palin's original birthcertificate?
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While everyone is worrying about whether Obama -- who was BORN IN HAWAII, which happens to be a STATE in the USA -- is eligible to be president (which he is and he is) it would be nice if someone in the MSM would notice that Palin is LYING again.
Where's this alleged "proof" she's now saying she presented that Trig (her political stage prop) is her child? She sure gave no evidence of being pregnant with him at any time and, if pregnant, she sure did her best to make sure he wasn't viable (wild ride from Texas to Alaska, anyone?) Now that he's out in the air, she seems determined to kill him by under-dressing him and exposing him to as many germs as possible.
And where the heck is that kid's eyeglasses and hearing aids? Where are his intensive therapy professionals? Is anyone doing anything to make sure he's able to function properly once he's no longer a rag doll for the religious right to wave around?
Where's this alleged "proof" she's now saying she presented that Trig (her political stage prop) is her child? She sure gave no evidence of being pregnant with him at any time and, if pregnant, she sure did her best to make sure he wasn't viable (wild ride from Texas to Alaska, anyone?) Now that he's out in the air, she seems determined to kill him by under-dressing him and exposing him to as many germs as possible.
And where the heck is that kid's eyeglasses and hearing aids? Where are his intensive therapy professionals? Is anyone doing anything to make sure he's able to function properly once he's no longer a rag doll for the religious right to wave around?
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Paraphrasing Palin on the bailout:
"Well, we were gonna do the same thing. But since it turned out to be a mistake, we'll blame it on the other folks."
Immigration:
"It's illegal, because they are breaking the law, so let's legislate more."
Gee, I wonder where her family originally came from.
ANWR:
"Alaska is a desolate, horrible, god-forsaken wasteland."
I hope you slip on the ice, bitch.
"Well, we were gonna do the same thing. But since it turned out to be a mistake, we'll blame it on the other folks."
Immigration:
"It's illegal, because they are breaking the law, so let's legislate more."
Gee, I wonder where her family originally came from.
ANWR:
"Alaska is a desolate, horrible, god-forsaken wasteland."
I hope you slip on the ice, bitch.
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BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pa…
http://theobamafile.com/_images/SeptBirt…
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S KENYAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE
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http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pa…
http://theobamafile.com/_images/SeptBirt…
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