Tuesday, December 1, 2009
Homo Washington D.C. and New York?
Posted by Dan Savage on Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 3:16 PM
The New York State Senate may vote to legalize same-sex marriage in New York tonight. Towleroad is all over it.
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Don't get your hopes up, people, the Democrats have the slimmest of margins and a few Democrats are against gay marriage, so it's hard to see it passing absent some kind of surprise.
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@4: It's only going to the floor with firm support from 32 Senators. Earlier this evening, Senator Diaz canceled all appointments and locked himself in his office to pray and ceased all outgoing calls when he found out why they were voting tonight.
Hence a 9pm special session.
It won't go to the floor if senators pull their support, but there are a few republicans that have flagged soft support in the past and continue to do so.
Hence a 9pm special session.
It won't go to the floor if senators pull their support, but there are a few republicans that have flagged soft support in the past and continue to do so.
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Thanks Baconcat. I'm still not comfortable with this - Diaz and his ilk will definitely do what they can to derail it.
Separately, once this passes, I will have little reason to want the Democrats in power anymore. Not that my vote matters.
Separately, once this passes, I will have little reason to want the Democrats in power anymore. Not that my vote matters.
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@6: He's making calls now, Diaz, but it's clear that since this is coming as attached to a deficit package process, it's likely that a bloc of senators was given concessions and so if this thing gets going late tonight, we'll see it pass a lot easier than previously suggested.
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(FWIW, I'm not entirely optimistic, since I'm guessing Diaz will make bluster and pretend that he's got word from several supporters that they'll vote "no" instead of "yes" and then try to force closure of the session and then run away from Albany with enough senators in tow to derail this)
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You a New Yorker Baconcat? If this passes I have to see it as a big win for Paterson, even if he's everyone's favorite punching bag these days.
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Context for people following the Towleroad updates, the NYC Council Speaker is Christine Quinn, openly gay liberal Democrat, ally of Bloomberg.
And if you follow Slog, you probably know who Daniel O'Donnell is.
And if you follow Slog, you probably know who Daniel O'Donnell is.
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Personally, I'd love to attend my brother's wedding if this passes.
Now if he could just vote Dem instead of GOP ...
Now if he could just vote Dem instead of GOP ...
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@11: Nah, just a wonk-- although my ma's folks are from out there, my grandmother who moved to Detroit still maintaining strong ties to NYC in particular. Part of that is for, ah, distinctly NYC-Detroit related issues from the early part of the century.
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Harrumph. Well, this better happen, because I emailed all my friends. I seriously don't trust Diaz at all though. I hope the good guys know what they're doing.
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Excuse you Dan, but there hasn't been a final vote on DC yet, at least make that clear to your readers and i believe neither will there be such a vote on NY, not without the people's input.
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Has the number of domestic partnerships increased in Washington since they were ratified?
Last time I checked there were 5000 of them (WA State pop. 6 million).
Has the number of domestic partnerships increased in Washington since they were ratified?
Last time I checked there were 5000 of them (WA State pop. 6 million).
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To feed or not to feed?
The DC vote is a foregone conclusion.
The people had input into NY's laws when they elected the legislature and the (then) Lt. Governor.
Also apparently New Yorkers are overall pro-gay marriage.
The DC vote is a foregone conclusion.
The people had input into NY's laws when they elected the legislature and the (then) Lt. Governor.
Also apparently New Yorkers are overall pro-gay marriage.
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@16: Reviewing similar votes, DC has never reversed more than 3 or 4 votes in either direction. Done deal. They won't put it to a popular vote since it violates their Human Rights Act. So excuse yourself.
@15: I trust that Diaz may be feeling some pressure even from his own constituents, especially after the large rallies for the gay man from Puerto Rico that was murdered and dismembered down there a few days ago. Speaking of-- Loveschild, what do you think about that case?
@15: I trust that Diaz may be feeling some pressure even from his own constituents, especially after the large rallies for the gay man from Puerto Rico that was murdered and dismembered down there a few days ago. Speaking of-- Loveschild, what do you think about that case?
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@16, These people you keep talking about have no right to vote on other people's relationships. Worry about your own life, would you?
I look forward to your reaction as state after state continues to pass marriage equality.
I look forward to your reaction as state after state continues to pass marriage equality.
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Dear Bacon is this the new tactic you and your ilk are wanting to implement in order to ram thru gay marriage without the people voting (only way you've done it by the way), are you believing now that every time someone who's identified as engaging in gay acts and who is assaulted or murdered as that child in Puertorico was that the state in which such violence and crime was committed needs to pass gay marriage? Just want to make sure that's what you're driving at here Bacon. I get that you want to disenfranchise the people, especially those who have different views to yours (the majority) but if you're trying to use tragedies like the one of that kid to further your agenda then i guess you've finally been shown for the self-centered narcissist as most with your views are.
Dear Bacon is this the new tactic you and your ilk are wanting to implement in order to ram thru gay marriage without the people voting (only way you've done it by the way), are you believing now that every time someone who's identified as engaging in gay acts and who is assaulted or murdered as that child in Puertorico was that the state in which such violence and crime was committed needs to pass gay marriage? Just want to make sure that's what you're driving at here Bacon. I get that you want to disenfranchise the people, especially those who have different views to yours (the majority) but if you're trying to use tragedies like the one of that kid to further your agenda then i guess you've finally been shown for the self-centered narcissist as most with your views are.
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@24, blah blah blah...you keep talking and all I hear is some humming noise. Shut your bigoted trap and the Slog will be a happier place.
Dumb responses and posts deserve dumb responses in kind, but I'm not dumbing myself down to your level...so I went for the level of a 3 year old. Not much different.
Dumb responses and posts deserve dumb responses in kind, but I'm not dumbing myself down to your level...so I went for the level of a 3 year old. Not much different.
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No, O'clueless one @ 24,
He wanted to know if you were outraged. If your pious devout Christian heart was speaking out against such tragedies. Like your compassion for the two young men from seaside, or the Ecuadorian man who was beaten to death because his attacker perceived he was gay (never mind that he was straight and walking with his brother after Mass, your compassionate response is that he should have known that his behavior could be perceived as gay, you blamed the victim), the lesbian who was brutally raped, or your sovereign nations can feel free to kill gay people (Yay! For Jamaica and Uganda) because being a sovereign nation in your mind permits gross human rights atrocities.
The answer. Obviously not. And, no-one is surprised.
Your rhetoric has become white noise.
PS Hide your activity all you want, but Google has it. We can pull your hypocrisy and lies up very easily.
He wanted to know if you were outraged. If your pious devout Christian heart was speaking out against such tragedies. Like your compassion for the two young men from seaside, or the Ecuadorian man who was beaten to death because his attacker perceived he was gay (never mind that he was straight and walking with his brother after Mass, your compassionate response is that he should have known that his behavior could be perceived as gay, you blamed the victim), the lesbian who was brutally raped, or your sovereign nations can feel free to kill gay people (Yay! For Jamaica and Uganda) because being a sovereign nation in your mind permits gross human rights atrocities.
The answer. Obviously not. And, no-one is surprised.
Your rhetoric has become white noise.
PS Hide your activity all you want, but Google has it. We can pull your hypocrisy and lies up very easily.
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Loveschild -
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
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Cause as Loveschildrensporn has said, the majority is always right. So let's get the blacks back to the plantation and get back to war with the Spanish thanks to yellow journalism, cause since so many people believed it, it was a majority belief and therefore righteous and true.
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Since Loveschild loves voting on rights so much, let's let the South vote on black rights. I'd love to see how that ends...
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Loveschild, in Iowa, over 90% of people say their lives have not been affected by the legalization of gay marriage. That you define your marriage based on others says more about you and the sad state of your marriage than it does about gay weddings effects on society.
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Loveschild, what if the "will of the people" doesn't go your way? What if the people of a city, county, or state vote to legalize same-sex marriage? Maybe we should note your love of democracy here because I bet it ends wherever same-sex marriages are legalized by people who recognize that they have no reason to limit the privileges of marriage to heterosexual couples.
And you're probably thinking, "It'll never happen." As Rob in Baltimore noted, though, more than 90% of Iowans say their lives have not been affected. Even those Iowans who oppose same-sex marriage in Iowa have chosen to accept it. There's the will of the people for you, Loveschild.
And you're probably thinking, "It'll never happen." As Rob in Baltimore noted, though, more than 90% of Iowans say their lives have not been affected. Even those Iowans who oppose same-sex marriage in Iowa have chosen to accept it. There's the will of the people for you, Loveschild.
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@24: No, Loveschild, I'm calling you a liar.
You said in the other thread that you'd speak out and would be outraged if anything happened like what happened in Puerto Rico. When asked, you dodged. I would believe that anyone who professes to be as upright and moral and honest as you would quickly take a stand, but you dodged.
Therefore, you are a liar.
If not even the violent murder and dismemberment of someone who was practically a child can move your heart to follow through on the person you pretend to be, then there's only one place where you deserve to be in all of the hereafter.
You've shown with even this (as with your response to the gang rape in the East Bay, assault in Seaside, Oregon and to the surge in hate crimes in CA post-Prop 8) that you are a callous, selfish and hateful persona. Congratulations.
You said in the other thread that you'd speak out and would be outraged if anything happened like what happened in Puerto Rico. When asked, you dodged. I would believe that anyone who professes to be as upright and moral and honest as you would quickly take a stand, but you dodged.
Therefore, you are a liar.
If not even the violent murder and dismemberment of someone who was practically a child can move your heart to follow through on the person you pretend to be, then there's only one place where you deserve to be in all of the hereafter.
You've shown with even this (as with your response to the gang rape in the East Bay, assault in Seaside, Oregon and to the surge in hate crimes in CA post-Prop 8) that you are a callous, selfish and hateful persona. Congratulations.
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@31: She claimed the majority of voters in WA would speak up, and they spoke against her. Now she disavows the vote on R-71 as though it never happened. She claimed we shouldn't meddle in places like Maine or NY or NJ, and yet here we are...
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It just passed the rules committee. It's coming to the floor quickly unless there isn't firm support (31+1).
Oh god, here we go.
Oh god, here we go.
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Lostcausechild sure gets the comments going, doesn't she? I knew that since the topic was about equal marriage opportunity she would be throwing herself in there. Has anyone seen the web site link on her profile? It goes to http://www.marriagedebate.com/. There's a picture of Maggie there, who does the web site. Hey Lostcause, is that you? You can write to her personally at maggie@imapp.org.
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It seems that by calling you on your Bs you've now chosen to mince your words @ 19, no probl tho, it is very obvious to everyone who looks at it carefully that you are trying to draw a moral equivalence between the murder of people and gay marriage.
p.s. Dear Bacon (and Ms tinnitus in Portland also) don't put words on my mouth,
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Comme…
p.s. Dear Bacon (and Ms tinnitus in Portland also) don't put words on my mouth,
http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Comme…
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Where are the westboro nuts featured in this story Bacon? How is that foot tasting? Check yourself plz.
By the way, i made very clear in previous comments on other threads regarding that kid that it was lamentable what happened to him, i'm totally against violence be against str8 or any others. But an asshat like you is bringing that murder up in this thread to draw some kind of equivalence between being murdered or assaulted and having legislatures, councils or courts implement gay marriage without the peoples say or input on the matter. And that my dear Bacon makes you as much a monster as the westboros or the creep who killed that kid because you are trying to use his death to further whatever gains you have in mind for yourself.
In all honesty, i'm starting to see why they wouldn't want your sorry arrogant selfish ass down in the Rez, it's in part because of people like you that they are there in first place. And if they had more people like you residing in them permanently sooner or later tribes would cease in their existence as such.
By the way, i made very clear in previous comments on other threads regarding that kid that it was lamentable what happened to him, i'm totally against violence be against str8 or any others. But an asshat like you is bringing that murder up in this thread to draw some kind of equivalence between being murdered or assaulted and having legislatures, councils or courts implement gay marriage without the peoples say or input on the matter. And that my dear Bacon makes you as much a monster as the westboros or the creep who killed that kid because you are trying to use his death to further whatever gains you have in mind for yourself.
In all honesty, i'm starting to see why they wouldn't want your sorry arrogant selfish ass down in the Rez, it's in part because of people like you that they are there in first place. And if they had more people like you residing in them permanently sooner or later tribes would cease in their existence as such.
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@36: You're the one who enjoys bringing up the attack on a woman in The Castro and "attacks" on churches in these threads when it suits you. Why do you not think anti-gay sentiment is uniform? Why do you stick your fingers in your ears when someone points out that gay people are getting attacked in such a way that your claims of gays oppressing anyone else are empty?
And you didn't address the fact that the DC Council hasn't swung in the direction necessary to fail a second vote, ever. And you don't care to address the fact that residents of DC cannot vote on a marriage equality bill.
And you didn't address the fact that the DC Council hasn't swung in the direction necessary to fail a second vote, ever. And you don't care to address the fact that residents of DC cannot vote on a marriage equality bill.
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Loveschild, gay marriage in DC is going to happen. Will it be the final nail in the coffin of your sad marriage?
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You're correct, the DC council is set on ramming thru this bill regardless of what their constituency is telling them, that's why you like this Council, "let them eat cake" is your chant. But this is not eighteenth century france and the DC Council is not Marie Antoinette and if they think they're then they should really reconsider that one. Only the people of DC the real majority and backbone of the district can stop this, if they really want to, no matter what those that aren't part of it says. If they don't want another social erosion to be brought to their community they better take a stand now before the final blow is given to them.
If this doesn't wake them up to the cold hard fact that precisely because the city is a majority African American city they are not being allowed to vote on this matter when other white places have then they might as well consider themselves as having no right to vote at all because now its gay marriage and soon anything else can also be imposed on them. You're right they have no say, until they wake up and demand to as the american citizens they're. This issue better then any other should highlight that sad fact being imposed on the African American citizens of DC.
You're correct, the DC council is set on ramming thru this bill regardless of what their constituency is telling them, that's why you like this Council, "let them eat cake" is your chant. But this is not eighteenth century france and the DC Council is not Marie Antoinette and if they think they're then they should really reconsider that one. Only the people of DC the real majority and backbone of the district can stop this, if they really want to, no matter what those that aren't part of it says. If they don't want another social erosion to be brought to their community they better take a stand now before the final blow is given to them.
If this doesn't wake them up to the cold hard fact that precisely because the city is a majority African American city they are not being allowed to vote on this matter when other white places have then they might as well consider themselves as having no right to vote at all because now its gay marriage and soon anything else can also be imposed on them. You're right they have no say, until they wake up and demand to as the american citizens they're. This issue better then any other should highlight that sad fact being imposed on the African American citizens of DC.
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40, No matter how many times you write your lies Loveschild, the majority of people in DC are for marriage equality.
Also, the black community is apparently for most of their children being born out of wedlock, being that almost 72% of black children are.
Also, the black community is apparently for most of their children being born out of wedlock, being that almost 72% of black children are.
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@38: They CANNOT vote on this, it's a matter of their Human Rights Act. They just can't. The HRA was used to rebuff attempts at ending Affirmative Action in the District on the same principles of not pitting one man's secret vote against the public rights of another.
And if you claim this is racism, remember that a MAJORITY of DC residents -- 65% -- support this matter. Black, white, hispanic, asian, indian, and so on.
And if you claim this is racism, remember that a MAJORITY of DC residents -- 65% -- support this matter. Black, white, hispanic, asian, indian, and so on.
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