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Tuesday, December 1, 2009

The President's Speech on Afghanistan

Posted by on Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:35 PM

5:00 pm Members of the armed services at West Point give the president a standing ovation. Everyone's wearing black. Obama says: "We did not ask for this fight. On September 11, 2001, nineteen men hijacked four airplanes and used them to murder nearly 3,000 people." Then he calls Al Qaeda "a group of extremists who have distorted and defiled Islam, one of the world’s great religions, to justify the slaughter of innocents."

5:06 pm Brilliant deployment of the passive voice: "Then, in early 2003, the decision was made to wage a second war in Iraq. The wrenching debate over the Iraq War is well-known and need not be repeated here." A minute later: "But while we have achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated. After escaping across the border into Pakistan in 2001 and 2002, al Qaeda’s leadership established a safe-haven there."

5:11 pm "I owe you a mission that is clearly defined and worthy of your service." The camera pans over the crowd. Seriously, it is somber-looking gathering, considering the military's usual panache. Like a field of charcoal. It is stark and startling. He goes on: "I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan. After 18 months, our troops will begin to come home." (UPDATE, from comments: "Just FYI, the cadets' somber clothes have nothing to do with the nature of the speech--black, grey, and gold are West Point's colors, and most cadet uniforms are black and grey, sometimes with gold buttons." Thanks, MayraJane.)

5:13 pm "If I did not think that the security of the United States and the safety of the American people were at stake in Afghanistan, I would gladly order every single one of our troops home tomorrow... It is from here that we were attacked on 9/11, and it is from here that new attacks are being plotted as I speak. This is no idle danger; no hypothetical threat. In the last few months alone, we have apprehended extremists within our borders who were sent here from the border region of Afghanistan and Pakistan to commit new acts of terror."

5:17 pm On the question of help from allies: "Because this is an international effort, I have asked that our commitment be joined by contributions from our allies. Some have already provided additional troops, and we are confident that there will be further contributions in the days and weeks ahead."

5:20 pm It's relaxing watching this guy speak, because you have the distinct sense—backed up by reports on the meetings in the Situation Room for the last three months—that he has really, really, really thought this through. Newsflash: One never had that sense with George W. Bush. "We're in Afghanistan to prevent a cancer from spreading through that country. But this same cancer has also taken root in the border region of Pakistan. That is why we need a strategy that works on both sides of the border." Not sure about that cancer metaphor. Wasn't keeping bad things from spreading the bad idea behind Vietnam?

5:22 pm Amazing. He's now raising counter-arguments and explaining his response to them. The sign of someone who's given this the sort of deliberating it deserves. "I recognize that there are a range of concerns about our approach. So let me briefly address a few of the prominent arguments that I have heard, and which I take very seriously. First, there are those who suggest that Afghanistan is another Vietnam. They argue that it cannot be stabilized, and we are better off cutting our losses and rapidly withdrawing. Yet this argument depends upon a false reading of history. Unlike Vietnam, we are joined by a broad coalition of 43 nations that recognizes the legitimacy of our action. Unlike Vietnam, we are not facing a broad-based popular insurgency. And most importantly, unlike Vietnam, the American people were viciously attacked from Afghanistan, and remain a target for those same extremists who are plotting along its border."

5:25 pm In an interesting twist, he connects the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan to the domestic issues—jobs, the economy. He talks about Eisenhower and the importance of maintaining balance between national programs. Given the economy, he says, "we simply cannot afford to ignore the price of these wars... Our prosperity provides a foundation for our power. It pays for our military. It underwrites our diplomacy. It taps the potential of our people, and allows investment in new industry. And it will allow us to compete in this century as successfully as we did in the last. That is why our troop commitment in Afghanistan cannot be open-ended—because the nation that I am most interested in building is our own." Nicely put.

5:31 pm The man can still write a speech. "More than any other nation, the United States of America has underwritten global security for over six decades—a time that, for all its problems, has seen walls come down, markets open, billions lifted from poverty, unparalleled scientific progress, and advancing frontiers of human liberty."

5:32 pm Andrew Sullivan wonders: "Is he choking up? I get a sense that these cadets in front of him are affecting him. He seems different now than before he became president: a commander-in-chief of a different timbre."

5:34 pm He invokes Lincoln directly, mentioning "the men and women in uniform who are part of an unbroken line of sacrifice that has made government of the people, by the people, and for the people a reality on this Earth." Amazing how that phrase still works so well, still has so much light in it.

Find a full transcript here.

 

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sketchyalibi 1
Obama is starting to look a lot like Jimmy Carter and Sarah Palin has the brain power of a young, sexy Ronald Reagan, with lipstick and come fuck me shoes.
Posted by sketchyalibi on December 1, 2009 at 5:10 PM
Will in Seattle 2
Cool.

When do we nuke Pakistan?

Cause, he just admitted they're not in either Iraq or Afghanistan, so those troops should come home.

Nor are they in Iran, a country which has literally fought and killed more Taliban and more of al-Qaeda than we ever will or have.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 5:19 PM
it's loud in here. 3
Has anyone else noticed all the cadets falling asleep?
Posted by it's loud in here. on December 1, 2009 at 5:29 PM
Lola, Now in Iowa City 4
President Johnson.
Posted by Lola, Now in Iowa City on December 1, 2009 at 5:29 PM
5
If we truly wanted to catch the perpetrators of 9/11 we would have had a true investigation and not the farce that was the commission report. And why no follow up on signs of short selling on Wall Street connected to the attacks?We also would not have destroyed the evidence so quickly.
Posted by unanswered questions on December 1, 2009 at 5:30 PM
6
Just FYI, the cadets' somber clothes have nothing to do with the nature of the speech -- black, grey, and gold are West Point's colors, and most cadet uniforms are black and grey, sometimes with gold buttons. And no. 3 -- cadets will fall asleep during ANYTHING, even the president's speech. Cadets are ridiculously overscheduled and usually exhausted.
Posted by MaryaJane on December 1, 2009 at 5:49 PM
Andy_Squirrel 7
rhetoric-tastic!
Posted by Andy_Squirrel on December 1, 2009 at 5:56 PM
8
"And we must make it clear to every man, woman and child around the world who lives under the dark cloud of tyranny that America will speak out on behalf of their human rights, and tend to the light of freedom, and justice, and opportunity, and respect for the dignity of all peoples. That is who we are. That is the moral source of America's authority."

That part made me throw up in my mouth a little...

"Moral authority"...pfft
Posted by AliceInChains on December 1, 2009 at 6:11 PM
9
Washington was just viciously attacked from Arkansas. We must invade Arkansas and defeat the Universalist cancer before it spreads into Tennessee.

Wait, white Christians live in Arkansas? Never mind.
Posted by Too bad the folks behind 9/11 escaped from those planes on December 1, 2009 at 6:15 PM
Original Andrew 10
What they always leave out of these speeches is that the terrahists have already accomplished all of their objectives so there's no need for them to attack us:

1) US troops/infidels out of Saudi Arabia? Check.

2) US drawn into unwinnable land wars in Asia? Check.

3) US headed towards fiscal ruin and totally discredited in the eyes of the world? Check and mate.

We're doing a fine job of demolishing our country all on our own.
Posted by Original Andrew on December 1, 2009 at 6:16 PM
11
"We also would not have destroyed the evidence so quickly."

Hmmmm, just like they destroyed Obama's Kenyan birth certificate?

I smell a conspiracy!
Posted by Truthers and Birthers Unite! on December 1, 2009 at 6:20 PM
Sargon Bighorn 12
#1 WHERE can I get a pair of those shoes? War is a no win game for all concerned. I don't know who will be working to pay for this silly war. I feel perfectly safe here. Muslims don't seem to be shooting cops. It's the locals with guns I fear.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on December 1, 2009 at 6:32 PM
Will in Seattle 13
Bring em all home.

Or institute a draft of every single child of every family making more than $100,000 a year with a 10 percent income, dividend and capital gains surtax with zero exemptions.

Period.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Max Solomon 14
you know, at 8 years in, i really don't give a fuck about the deficit on this surge. it's going to be what, 10% of the total war bill, max? if we need to pay a tax, make everyone to the poorest pay it. it should hurt. and the cost on the overstretched military? i'm laying the deaths at the feet of bush and cheney still. they started this shit.

what i'm concerned about are the actual goals: they should be realistic. they should be written down somewhere. bribery of the part time taliban with jobs and cash & buying the fuck out of the poppy crop should be steps 1 & 2.
Posted by Max Solomon on December 1, 2009 at 6:45 PM
15
@13- A draft would be an excellent idea. At least we could stop spending all our money on sub-contractors who use 3rd world slave labor to clean our soldier's latrines.
Posted by dwight moody on December 1, 2009 at 6:46 PM
16
Do any of you have an intelligent thought in your heads?
Posted by tacomagirl on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM
Will in Seattle 17
@14 fuck taxing the poor - it's a war by and for the rich - let them pay for it - and fight it.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 6:47 PM
18
I'm sick of this democran/republicrat one party system. I'm disappointed in Obama and I will NOT be voting for him in 2012. Fuck this shit.
Posted by mammal on December 1, 2009 at 6:48 PM
Will in Seattle 19
@16 - yeah. we're drafting you. suit up.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 6:49 PM
Leslie N. 20
@3, yeah...it's military life. When you're still a recruit or cadet, you're run into the ground. You have to prove yourself, you're basically torn apart and rebuilt in a lot of ways. In BMT (boot camp), my sister says she could sleep standing at attention and marching by the 2nd month.

Posted by Leslie N. on December 1, 2009 at 7:04 PM
21
@19
Again I ask.
Posted by tacomagirl on December 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM
Urgutha Forka 22
@12, "War is a no win game for all concerned."

Depends on the context. For example, nation-wise, the U.S. was much better off after WWII than before.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on December 1, 2009 at 7:55 PM
dnt trust me 23
i hire (yeah right, like i'd have that job) Jacko @14 to be Command Chief Decider! He has very sincere concerns. Read His Lips.
Posted by dnt trust me on December 1, 2009 at 8:29 PM
oh_man 24
Am I the only one seeing some remains of the 'Manifest Destiny' here? Can't believe they're still pulling out that card.
Posted by oh_man on December 1, 2009 at 8:35 PM
25
War is not the answer!

LMAO...Seattle's white hippies must be confused: how can the black man kill brown people?
Posted by Stupid Hippie on December 1, 2009 at 8:39 PM
26
"Or institute a draft of every single child of every family making more than $100,000 a year with a 10 percent income, dividend and capital gains surtax with zero exemptions."

I'm glad all you have left are your fantasies.

"i'm disappointed in Obama and I will NOT be voting for him in 2012. Fuck this shit."

I guess you didn't realize the loony left were our (the centrists) useful idiots during the campaign?

Nader 2012!
Posted by Loony Left on December 1, 2009 at 8:43 PM
skye 27
i seem to remember obama saying during his campaign that if elected he would direct focus from iraq to afghanistan and send more troops there. not sure why people are all of a sudden outraged that he followed through with that.
Posted by skye on December 1, 2009 at 9:53 PM
Max Solomon 28
will, i want EVERYONE to be feeling a tax. taxing the rich would let the middle and lower classes stay stuck on their couches.

@23 you knew obama was going to give this a shot when you voted for him and so did i. he cant undo bush's blunders & politically he has to salvage something. acting like we're betrayed at this point is just pouting.
Posted by Max Solomon on December 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM
dnt trust me 29
@27 it is rather pathetic. short attention spans. one minute we're preaching against ministers, the next minute we're consulting NYT like it's Tom Cruise's dog-eared copy of Dianetics, the next minute we're theorizing over enema ethics. thanks Slog, blitz through the blog posts. the best part of life is reading the internet, 'thinking' fast, then blogging. then getting high and and hanging out with some fat legless iraq vet. i mean really baked. then filming the conversation for your blog.
Posted by dnt trust me on December 1, 2009 at 10:11 PM
Original Andrew 30
@ 27,

Because the situation is quite clearly untenable and unwinnable, our economy at home has collapsed to the point where one in eight Americans are on food stamps, and you'd have to be a complete stone-cold moron to still be buying this preposterous shit after eight fucking years (that's 16 Friedman Units, FYI).
Posted by Original Andrew on December 1, 2009 at 10:13 PM
31
I thought it was a great speech. I voted for Barack Obama because I believed he had the intelligence, and humanity to make the correct decision when facing impossible obstacles. Now that he is President and has access to the plenitudes of information that are privy to that office, I feel even more inclined to trust his judgment.

This is an honest question; what other choice do we have?
Posted by Doldo on December 1, 2009 at 10:23 PM
Will in Seattle 32
@28 - we're already paying a tax for the wars - it's just the rich that aren't.

Hence the surtax of 10 percent for all income for millionaires and a draft of ALL their kids - straight, gay, male, female - all of them.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 1, 2009 at 11:45 PM
33
We have the choice to focus on the original goal. AQ no longer has anything serious going on in Afghanistan. They are in Somaila and Pakistan now. Remember Osama Bin Laden? The Taliban are NOT our problem, the are the Afghans problem. You think Karzai is going to all of a sudden straighten up and fly right? You knew his VP is one of the most infamous warlords in the country, with ties to the opium trade, right?

There is no "job" to finish in Afghanistan. As far as the Taliban - or any other group of religous fundamentalists that would have taken their place - there's nothing we can do short of killing everybody there. This is no longer the "right war."

Did anyone read the resignation letter from Matthew P Hoh in September? Or Malalai Joya's piece in the Guidarian the other day? Or even Glen Greewald's column today?

The same type of justifications are being used that Bush (and most all presidents) used, only spoken more elequently. That does not make it better. This IS the same justification as Vietmam. The only reason to be there now is to secure an oil pipeline, and Obie knows it. Obie is a liar. These are not the type of "jobs" I had in mind to start a recovery. So what else is new?

Wake up. This may well be his Vietnam. Obie is going to be a one-termer. Fuck what he says, watch what he DOES.
Posted by Not Buying It on December 1, 2009 at 11:58 PM
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 34


[W]e have achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq...

Well. Thank ya ver muuch.

http://www.gettomass.com/gtm/images/geor…

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://yrihf.com on December 2, 2009 at 12:29 AM
35
You are a bunch of whiny bitches with no fucking suggestions beyond "BRING THEMHOME NOW."

The situation sucks. Step up to do something about it, or deal with it. We don't have the luxury of cutting and running without leaving ourselves vulnerable. This isn't about macho posturing, this is about literal and vital danger.

We shouldn't have invaded in the first place. Sadly, we did. Now we have to fight until the end of the conflict. Abandoning the country to the violent Taliban will lead to chaos and a greater, more deadly, war in the future. IT FUCKING SUCKS. That's the way it is :( :( :( We're all sad about it.
Posted by Shrodi on December 2, 2009 at 5:30 AM
dnt trust me 36
27 says "i seem to remember obama saying during his campaign that if elected he would direct focus from iraq to afghanistan and send more troops there."

Well said. If I may, back to my slashnovel:
In hindsight my post could have used a lot of editing

the best part of life is reading the internet, 'thinking' fast, then blogging. then getting high and and hanging out with some fat legless iraq vet. i mean really baked.

Posted by dnt trust me on December 2, 2009 at 6:20 AM
Zoroastronomer 37
Eisenhower also warned of the military industrial complex. Guess who would lose a lot of cash if we left? Defense contractors. Their lobby is pretty powerful. But fuck it, why should we care about soldiers and people at home if the defense industry is well funded, right? Oh, ps, thanks for the huge coalition, everyone else! It's, what, up to like, 500 or something?

What's the fucking point of being somewhere to protect the "homeland" when the homeland is full of people who are dying, sick, being killed by kids, environmentally disintegrating, corrupt, and on and on. Fix America first, get our noses out of other countries. If we can get our own shit sorted, then we can see about other countries' turrersts. Look, we're plenty strong foe defense. We can be like the quiet kid on the playground that everyone knows not to fuck with.

Fuck these wars, G W Obama.
Posted by Zoroastronomer on December 2, 2009 at 8:04 AM
38
Our country is a fucking utopia Zoroastronomer. It's never going to be perfect but this is about as close as it gets.

It's not about terrorists in other countries sitting around playing checkers, it's about people actively working to attack and kill US citizens. Should we step back, allow them to regroup, and carryout attacks on American or our allies soil, only to go back to Afghanistan to start a new war in 20 years? Yeah I don't think so. That sounds fucking ridiculous and any president who allowed that to happen would be openly and rightly ridiculed. President Obama is making the only possible choice for a positive conclusion in an unprecedented and dangerous situation.
Posted by Gorbag on December 2, 2009 at 8:27 AM
Vince 39
I support the president. He has stated many times that Afghanistan is where the fight against al qeada should have been fought. That Iraq was unnecessary and a distraction. He's right. At least give him the chance to show us he's not Bush or Carter or whomever.
Posted by Vince on December 2, 2009 at 8:33 AM
ParklandYouth 40
It hasn't even been a year into Obama's presidency, his tone has changed obviously since the day he went into office. He's not as optimistic and preaching hope. He is taking this seriously, something Bush never seemed to do.

People who are deciding the future right now based only on what has happened to this point are awfully ignorant, in my opinion. Who knows what the next three years hold, let's wait and see...

We went through eight years of hellish leadership and we all wanted to see immediate change which is why he won by a landslide. But how plausible is that? Obama is not the first president to make campaign promises that didn't come to fruition but, jesus people, give it some time. For the record, I do not have blind faith in any one or thing, I don't support the war ... most of us don't but I'm not giving up. I have family in Afghanastan right now, their kids are missing another holiday with their dads; I hate it, a lot. But if those men who are serving this country are standing behind the president then so can I.
Posted by ParklandYouth http://differentdance.blogspot.com on December 2, 2009 at 10:52 AM
41
@38- The question is "Is our continued engagement in Afghanistan actually helping?" You seem convinced it is, but I'm unimpressed. Terrorism isn't defeated by war and occupation. Since 9/11 more Americans have been killed my Muslim extremists than in the centuries preceding 9/11.
Posted by dwight moody on December 2, 2009 at 11:00 AM
Will in Seattle 42
The original goal is to attack al-Qaeda - the people who attacked us.

We know where they are: Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, parts of Malaysia.

We also know where they aren't: Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bring the troops home.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on December 2, 2009 at 11:21 AM
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@ 35 and 38
You are using the same justification as in Vietnam. There is no "cutting and running here." There is nothing to run FROM. AQ is not planning attacks from there anymore. In fact, they can plan them from anywhere in the world, and do. 9/11 was planned in Europe, and not a single Afghan or Iraqi was involved. We are using 30K troops to go after a handful of actual AQ who MIGHT be there, at best. Most are in Somalia and Pakistan now.

The Taliban are not planning attacks against this country. The locals don't want either the US or the Taliban. Both are seen as invaders. Other than reserving the right to come back, we need to leave ASAP. This was effectively over in 2003. Did you not pay attention to what Obie said about "our interests,' not nation building, not policing.

This is going to be Obie's quagmire, and he will be a one-termer for neglecting more immediately important issues at home.
Posted by Not Buying It on December 3, 2009 at 2:14 PM

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