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Monday, November 30, 2009

O'Reilly's Dishonesty

Posted by on Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:55 PM

Attempting to deflect blame away from former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, O'Reilly said tonight of Maurice Clemmons:

Just a week ago this guy was released on $15,000 bail, an incredibly low number for the kind of crimes he's accused of. Altogether he had a total of eight felony charges pending against him, but Judge John McCarthy set the bail, and Judge Thomas Felnagle signed off on the bail amount and let him out. We contacted the judges but they did not return our phone calls, which is not very smart. They will be held accountable.

The actual amount of bail that Judge Felnagle signed off on earlier this month? That would be $150,000. (Click to enlarge.)

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  • Pierce County Superior Court

Now, it's true, Clemmons himself only had to pay $15,000 to get out of jail. But why was that? (Click to enlarge.)

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  • Pierce County Superior Court

Because of operations like Jail Sucks Bail Bonds, which—operating on free market principles I'm sure O'Reilly would otherwise venerate—happily spring guys like "this guy" from jail for a modest down payment and a certain amount of collateral.

Sure, you could argue that the bail amount—which all totaled reached $190,000—was still too low. That would be an honest argument.

But you can't argue, as O'Reilly did, that Clemmons was "released on $15,000 bail." In fact, he was released on more than ten times that amount of bail—thanks to Jail Sucks Bail Bonds, the power of the bail bonds lobby, and, of course, the unfailing wisdom of the free market.

 

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mrbombit 1
Wow. Way to split hairs to score partisan hack points.

For all intensive purposes he was released on $15000 bail.

What you should criticize Bill for is letting Huckabee off the hook for his culpable actions that freed Clemmons from jail, only to have him move to Washington state and continue a life of crime.

Stop making petty partisan attacks. I have the feeling you were so excited to catch Bill in a "lie" that you missed the substantive criticisms you could have made.
Posted by mrbombit on November 30, 2009 at 7:07 PM · Report this
Carollani 2
@1 Um... $15,000 is a very different number than $150,000. See, in math we can recognize that the extra zero in the number means that it's ten times more than the smaller number.

Fox news plays with numbers (FACTS) like these all the time, inflating them when it suits them and deflating them when it suits them.

"Bill" made a very BIG mistake that should be corrected immediately.

This makes my fucking blood boil.
Posted by Carollani http://twitter.com/carollani on November 30, 2009 at 7:11 PM · Report this
Knat 3
I used to work at a screen printing shop for my first job, and the boss got tired of how much work it was to make money at it. This from the guy who owned the place and hardly ever showed up, leaving the manager and myself (15 yrs old when I started) to do everything.

Then he got into the bail bond business. One of his favorite places to bring his people was the printing shop. Have you ever had to babysit a felon in the basement of your workplace on orders from your boss, so the felon doesn't steal any merchandise while he ducks his wife? I have. So I can honestly say from personal experience that bail bondsmen are scum, and deserve every bit of scorn they receive.
Posted by Knat on November 30, 2009 at 7:12 PM · Report this
levide 4
@1

a) No, he was not released on $15, 000 bail. He was released on $150, 000 bail which he brokered down to 15K through a bail bondsman. Your implication (and O'Reilly's is that the court set bail at 15K which is, you know, total bullshit.

b) The correct phrase is "for all intents and purposes".
Posted by levide on November 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM · Report this
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O'Reilly and Fox subtly (or not so subtly) exaggerate facts to suit their agenda. In the end a very different view of the world appears to those without the time or inclination to consult alternative sources. It is incredibly sad.

The sadder thing is this is a case where he need not resort to those tactics. There were failures in the system going way back, but including the $150,000 bail amount requiring only a $15,000 bond. This doesn't exclude Huckabee from his share of the failure, but it is a valid point, IMO.
Posted by poltergeist on November 30, 2009 at 7:16 PM · Report this
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@4, thanks so much for part b.
Posted by loupop on November 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM · Report this
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@1 That's nonsense. The Bail was set at $150K. O'Reilly even goes off about he's going to hold the judges accountable for setting such a low amount. The judges did no such thing.

The 15K was paid to the bail bondsman. They have nothing to do with the court.

Good to know that you support O'Reilly jihad against the judges who did nothing wrong though.
Posted by PLU Tim on November 30, 2009 at 7:23 PM · Report this
elenchos 8
I really want Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee to discuss this issue during the Republican primary debates. All these confusing facts and figures, and charges and counter-charges. Who to believe? A good healthy debate would be beneficial for everyone, and it would bring some clarity to this vexing question.
Posted by elenchos on November 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 9
Dishonesty, it's such an unlonely word.
The son of a gun is is going to marry Chelsea Clinton. You know, the super rich kid on Wall Street who has the Democrat dad who went to prison for a few years on bank fraud.

A new inroad to the executive branch. Hurrah!

Posted by dnt trust me on November 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM · Report this
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@8: here, here!
Posted by itsmetheglow on November 30, 2009 at 7:50 PM · Report this
Max Solomon 11
@9: you sound more jealous than surprised
Posted by Max Solomon on November 30, 2009 at 7:55 PM · Report this
Eric F 12
@1 and @4(b), it's also a horrid cliché. Write your own sentences, without falling back on meaningless stock phrases, and you'll sound less like a football commentator and more like an intelligent person. Or not, given that the attack you wish Sanders had made had already been made by Dominic Holden, two posts earlier.

Also @1, unless you're personal friends with him, his name, to you, is O'Reilly, not "Bill." But be sure to tell us, since you're clearly keeping up with right-thinking types everywhere, what "Rush" has to say about all this tomorrow.
Posted by Eric F on November 30, 2009 at 8:25 PM · Report this
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"...thanks to Jail Sucks Bail Bonds, the power of the bail bonds lobby, and, of course, the unfailing wisdom of the free market."

You mean a "free market" in the sense that the bail bonds lobby influences the government to create a business for them? I'm not sure that's what an economist calls a free market, but nice job adding a dose of ideological polemic to your partisan rant!
Posted by CG on November 30, 2009 at 8:54 PM · Report this
dnt trust me 14
Jacko, I'm a little over the jealousy of the super rich. It'd be nice to be born into that. But if you're talking about jealousy over prison time? No way, unless Eli or Dan were my cellmate. Oh, but you may be referring to dipping into Chelsea's undergradments. Mmmmm, well, all the presidential level daughters are pretty hot - McCain's, the Bush girls (Amy Carter was a childhood crush) - and no I'm not being racist; the Obama young ladies are just too young. Or maybe you can explain what jealousy means to you, or how the Mezvinsky family affair affects your political development? I doubt you can put five sentences together, Jacko.
Posted by dnt trust me on November 30, 2009 at 8:59 PM · Report this
Cracker Jack 15
So will O'Reilly be fired for allowing a factual error to be aired? That's going to happen, right?
Posted by Cracker Jack on November 30, 2009 at 9:04 PM · Report this
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Apparently, they let idiots write blogs for The Stranger. O'Reilly probably misstated "bail" when he meant "bond." Judges KNOW about this arrangement, which is allowed by LAW, not by some sneaky "free market" arrangement. This could be as easily DISallowed by law. Further, to make such an outlandishly pathetic argument in order to back a cop-killer, child rapist and repeat, violent felon shows that you are one sick bastard. Too bad free speech doesn't come with a guarantee of wisdom or intelligence.
Posted by conservativeinseattle on November 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM · Report this
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wow. i missed something. WHO is backing a cop-killer, child rapist and repeat, violent felon? where did this happen? when did someone attempt to do this?
Posted by loupop on November 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM · Report this
baconpussy 18
@1: you really wrote "for all intensive purposes."

My faith in the ultimate fucking stupidity of mankind is restored. Thank you.
Posted by baconpussy on November 30, 2009 at 10:01 PM · Report this
COMTE 19
Shorter @16:

"I denounce damned activist liberal judges who change laws to suit their own whims. Except when doing so favors my own particular conservative agenda."
Posted by COMTE http://www.chriscomte.com on November 30, 2009 at 10:17 PM · Report this
raindrop 20
I'm sure Bill O'Reilly will note the error in his broadcast tomorrow night.
Posted by raindrop on November 30, 2009 at 10:33 PM · Report this
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Look people, for all in tents and on porpoises, O'Reilly needs to tell the truth.
Posted by MacGruber on November 30, 2009 at 10:49 PM · Report this
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I believe that is "for all in tents and porpoises" a common Yemeni expression which means all humans except women and the retarded. In Yemen if you aren't in a tent you are a woman (cooking for the men who are), retarded (left outside the tent to die) or a porpoise (no need for either a tent, women, or Trig Palin).
Posted by kinaidos on November 30, 2009 at 11:15 PM · Report this
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O'Reilly being dishonest?

It is who he is, it is what he does. It is like being surprised if a snake was to bite you. It is in it's nature.
Posted by Senor Guy on December 1, 2009 at 12:27 AM · Report this

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