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Thursday, November 26, 2009

Men of God on a Learning Curve

Posted by Dan Savage on Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 9:33 AM

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A government commission in Ireland released a report today detailing decades of child abuse in Dublin—most involving rape and sexual abuse—perpetrated by Catholic priests and covered by leaders of the Catholic Church. This stuff isn't ancient history: the report covers the period from 1975 to 2004. Let's meet the guys who were in charge, princes of the Church, men drawn from the same scummy pool of celibates and reactionaries who want to dictate the reproductive choices of American women, Catholic or not, and are working so hard to deny civil rights—not religious rites—to openly gay men and women, Catholic or not. It's a rogue's gallery:

Where individual Archbishops of Dublin were concerned it found that Archbishop John Charles McQuaid—who held office from 1940 to 1972—did not apply canon law where such allegations were concerned, though he was familiar with its requirements. His dealings with Fr Edmondus in 1960 “were aimed at the avoidance of scandal and showed no concern for the welfare of children.”

Archbishop Dermot Ryan—who held office from 1972 to 1984—“failed to properly investigate complaints” against any of the six priests dealt with by the Commission from his period in office. “He also ignored the advice given by a psychiatrist in the case of another priest (Fr Henry Moore) that he had placed in a parish setting.” It found that Fr Moore was subsequently convicted of a serious assault on a young teenager while working as a parish curate. Archbishop Ryan also seemed to have adopted “a deliberate policy” to ensure that knowledge of problems involving accused priests “was as restricted as possible.” This resulted “in a disastrous lack of co-ordination in responding to problems.”

Archbishop Kevin McNamara—who held office from 1984 to 1987—restored to ministry a priest, Fr Bill Carney, despite his having pleaded guilty to charges of child sex abuse in 1983 and despite suspicions about him where “numerous” other children were concerned. Fr Carney has since been laicized. Archbishop McNamara also appointed Fr Ivan Payne, also since laicized, as Vice-Officialis of the Marriage Tribunal in Dublin even though Archbishop Ryan had previously refused to do so. It was Archbishop McNamara who was first to take out insurance against possible claims for child abuse. He did so in March 1987 and all Catholic dioceses on the island of Ireland followed suit, excepting one.

Cardinal Desmond Connell, who held office as Archbishop from 1988 to April 2004, “was slow to recognise the seriousness of the situation” on assuming office. He was “over-reliant” on the advice of other people. While “clearly appalled by the abuse” it took him some time “to realize that it could not be dealt with by keeping it secret and protecting priests from normal civil processes.” He showed “little understanding of the overall plight of victims” some of whom found him “remote and aloof” and some “sympathetic and kind.” However, and “on the other hand he did take an active interest in their civil litigation against the Archdiocese and personally approved the defences which were filed by the Archdiocese.” Liability for injury and damage “was never admitted.” His strategies in civil cases, “while legally acceptable, often added to the hurt and grief of complainants.”

The report only covers the Catholic Archdiocese of Dublin, one big city, not all of Ireland. The Catholic church told the commission that its archbishops, bishops, and priests were all on "a learning curve" during the time period being investigated. Um... how steep is that learning curve exactly? How long does it take men of God—men who hear other peoples' confessions—to conclude that raping children is really, really, really wrong? How many decades exactly? The commission told the church that “it did not accept” as "true" its claim about learning curves, which is commission-speak for, "Shut the fuck up you lying sacks of child-raping shit."

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I pray that good lawyers over there will sue the catholic church for being an organized crime racket -- or a civil conspiracy -- and win so much money that they take their buildings and land and destroy this evil institution and give the money to the victims.

These people all belong in jail.

They live lives of luxury you can't even call what they do "working" they all get retirement, food, housing, and in some cases fantastic luxury including prime real estate, gold and silver objects all over the place, silk clothes, etc. They even pressure poor people to keep giving them money for their criminal enterprise.

sue them all because they are all culpable of bieng in an organization that hthey knew was doing thes evil things. Take all their property, just like Morris Dees finally got a judgment against the Klan itself. Put them in jail. They are criminals.

Posted by Confirmed as "Christopher" on November 26, 2009 at 10:08 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 2
Eh, feed 'em to the lions.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on November 26, 2009 at 10:34 AM
Sargon Bighorn 3
#1 Right on and let's hope it happens. Now let's ask, "If this were a secular institution that dealt with youth as sexual objects in the same manner would this corrupt institution be shut down?" "If this were any other sort of life style group other than religious, would they not be called evil by every political figure within 30 thousand light years?" Yet, yet these life style groups are allowed to continue to have special social status. Untouched and held on high. Walking with Presidents and Prime Ministers. Here in the states they threaten to abandon social roles they volunteered to take on if American citizens are granted equal civil rights. They are given tax exempt status and yet get involved not only in the molestation of children but in the ruination of families via political mean, denying citizens full civil protections.

WHY I ask is this allowed? Where are the leaders brave enough to call for an end to these grave injustices by taking strong action to bring down these life style religious groups? Before more children are harmed, these groups must be stopped.
Posted by Sargon Bighorn on November 26, 2009 at 10:38 AM
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So true. Any other child molesting pyramid scheme would have been shut down and widely renounced. It's members (even those who didn't molest) would walk away with their heads bowed in shame.

Not this one.
Posted by Gregus on November 26, 2009 at 10:52 AM
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No doubt these people belong in jail. At best. But let's also question the whole institution, including the people who make up the church, who support these guys, who without the members' money would not be in the positions they are. Members of the Catholic church need to look at themselves, and ask how they are responsible for what their leaders do. And maybe look deeper and try to see how religion blinds them from dealing with harsh realities.

Religious leadership is for scoundrels and repressed individuals. As a community, the people of Seattle should look into and question our own local religious leaders a lot more. Dublin isn't the only city with problems. I'll guarantee that Hutcherson, Driscoll, and the other egomaniacs/ snake oil peddlers posing as spiritual leaders have at least as much to hide than these priests in Dublin.
Posted by Meinert on November 26, 2009 at 11:12 AM
Theo Magyar 6
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov…

Irish church and police covered up child sex abuse

The report, launched today by the Irish justice minister, Dermot Ahern, also concluded that the vast majority of priests turned a "blind eye" to abuse, although some individuals did bring complaints to their superiors, which were not acted upon.

The report, commissioned by the government, strongly criticises the Garda and says senior members of the force regarded priests as being outside their investigative remit. The relationship between some senior gardai and priests and bishops in Dublin was described as "inappropriate".

Rather than investigate complaints from children, gardai simply reported the matter to the Dublin Catholic diocese, the report says. The Garda Síochána is accused of connivance with the church in stifling at least one complaint of abuse, and letting the alleged perpetrator flee the country
Posted by Theo Magyar http://connexionsandcontradictions.blogspot.com/ on November 26, 2009 at 11:40 AM
Theo Magyar 7
All of my previous post is a quote from the Gaurdian article.
Posted by Theo Magyar http://connexionsandcontradictions.blogspot.com/ on November 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM
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I have a friend who is gay and comes from a good Catholic family. One mark of how good a Catholic family they were is that there were 8 children, he had six brothers and a sister. Growing up he didn't get a lot of attention partly because they family was so large and also because his father was an alcoholic. When he was 12 he started to get some of the attention he needed from the family priest and when he was 15 the attention became sexual. My friend had a connection with the older man for many years in fact until the priest died.

So my friend, who was gay, doesn't feel he was abused by a Catholic priest. I suspect he thinks he was lucky, after all, he was getting sex regularly while most kids at 15 were virgins (this was more than 40 years ago - perhaps times have changed.)

So, how common do you think this is? Was he abused? (even though he thinks he wasn't?) Or does this fit under your intergenerational dictate that this is OK if he is left in better shape than before? And are gay kids more at risk of abuse than straight kids?

Where I live, the Catholic Church has been fighting gay rights every step of the way. They fought sodomy law repeal, they fought domestic partnership, they fought job and housing protection, and they fought hate crimes legislation. Now they are fighting marriage equality. The first thing an abuser tells their victim is "Don't tell anyone". My suspicions are that the root of Catholic opposition to gay rights is that keeping teenagers trapped in shame for their sexual orientation they can keep things secret. Or is that too far-fetched?
Posted by charlie2001 on November 26, 2009 at 11:46 AM
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The learning curve of which they are speaking is not about the time it took the leadership to figure out how to deal with these sorts of problems. It was the time it took them to realize that institutionalized child molestation would no longer be accepted with a wink like it had been for centuries. It is easy forget in the age of Oprah that in the past polite society did not discuss such things openly, and this taboo allowed such abuse to thrive right under everybody's noses. Hell, the idea that children are not the property of their parents is a relatively recent development, historically speaking.

This was obviously business as usual for the Church. What they're struggling with is the concept of accountability.
Posted by Pope Leprechaun on November 26, 2009 at 12:28 PM
TVDinner 10
Dan! It's Thanksgiving! Take the damn day off!
Posted by TVDinner http:// on November 26, 2009 at 12:58 PM
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What is so disturbing about these stories of molestation is that no one involved in the acts or cover ups has the slightest concern for the victims. Whenever I hear any individual or group go on about "protecting children" it's nothing but PC. They don't care about protecting children and the obsession with denial such activities is proof of their duplicity.

It's a violation of trust and it's a sin.
Posted by alisamc on November 26, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Vince 12
That's the Catholic Church for you. Disgusting. But then, their entire history is an ugly one. What I don't understand is why anyone would continue to support such an institution.
Posted by Vince on November 26, 2009 at 3:39 PM
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The Church can't be sued as the Government here did a deal with them a few years ago. The terms of it were that they contributed something in the region of 100 million euro to a compensation fund for victims in return for which they have immunity from lawsuits in respect of the abuse it allowed to happen and then covered up. Of course this happened before the full scale of the abuse had been revealed and so the amount paid out has vastly exceeded what the Church paid in. The State has ended up paying a huge amount of money to victims, which is only right as it failed to prevent the abuse, but the Church has refused to give any more money towards the compensation of victims. It has however promised to fund a legal challenge to civil partnership legislation that is due to be enacted soon. Apparently the Church believes it's acceptable to protect child abusers from the law but that society would collapse if I and my boyfriend were given some, but not all, of the benefits of marriage.
Posted by Irish guy on November 26, 2009 at 4:36 PM
stevema14420 14
The Irish are all a bunch of drunken child molestors. Every. Single. One.
Posted by stevema14420 http://www.aebn.net on November 26, 2009 at 11:29 PM
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How can any Gay man or woman in good conscience support the Catholic Church. For those who feel a need for a spiritual connection, there are good alternative progressive churches, open and affirming.

This isn't just about gay men and women.

Loren A Olson MD www.MagneticFire.com
Posted by Loren A Olson MD on November 27, 2009 at 6:48 AM
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@13
interesting.

while sometimes a legislative fix for mass crimes or trots is the way to go, in the USA this kind of legislative fix perhaps would not be valid because the involvement of the cops would mean that there are "state actors" involved thus the victims would have had constitutional law based claims and against the state which no legislation could overturn.

and also i would want to see the exact law you are talking about, and then i would ask this:

if in ireland you can pass a law limiting claims after the harm was done

can't they pass another law taking those limitations away and opening the door to claims again?

i would also bet that the victims have human rights under the law of the EC and its treaties that means that a national legislature can't pass laws taking those rights away. for example, if germany became nazi again today and passed a national law saying let's kill all the jews, this would violate the human rights law of the EC and the victims/families could sue, I would think.

In sum I would not be deterred at the get go by a vague report of some kind of immunity shield.

So they should sue, sue, sue sue sue sue sue. If they have to go to the world court or the top EC court suing the IRish government for conniving in this or for immunizing it later, sue sue sue sue suse sue sue.

You ONLY destroy these criminal gangs by taking away their MONEY. They will not "Reform" themselves, I think the last 2000 years of westernhistory proves that pretty well. Remember, this is the criminal gang that for centuries sold people tickets into heaven for money. What a fraudulent racketeering gang. They make Tony Soprana look like child's play (no pun intended). They're sick, evil, irredeemable and the later posts only prove they will absolutely corrupt any government in any nation where they are the top criminal gang, like in Ireland.

This is no different than the narcos getting into the government of Sinaloa.

Monsters.
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Posted by Christopher/hated them 1st-8th grade on November 27, 2009 at 8:37 AM
Free Lunch 17
When I go to the annual mass with my folks this Christmas, I'm putting an envelope in the collection basket. It will have a note in it that says, "I won't pay for all your little-boy rapes."
Posted by Free Lunch on November 27, 2009 at 7:38 PM
moremony 18
Hmm, it's sad really. And the saddest part is that this gives the anti-theists like Dawkins more fodder for their anti-theistic crusade. Never mind that more children are molested in school rather than church.

Attorney

Moremony
Posted by moremony http://www.moremony.com on November 28, 2009 at 12:38 AM

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