Saturday, November 14, 2009
Homo / News Gay Marriage Comes to Argentina
Posted by Dan Savage on Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:48 AM
An Argentine judge has granted a homosexual couple permission to get married, setting a precedent that could pave the way for the Catholic country to become the first in Latin America to allow same-sex marriage.
Gee, I hope this doesn't damage South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's relationship with his mistress.
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lol Dan...love the last statement...referring back to Sanford's wife's statement that gay marriage had cheapened "traditional" marriage and thus caused her husband's infidelity...
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Abortion is still completely illegal in Argentina, even in cases of rape, incest, medical problems, or nonviable fetuses... causing nearly 500,000 illegal unregulated abortions per year and over 100 backroom abortion related deaths per year.
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Gee, an activist judge... what a surprise (not!).
Some things (persons, 'jobs') are just the same, no matter the country nor the culture. That's why we the people have to always be keeping an eye on these people.
Some things (persons, 'jobs') are just the same, no matter the country nor the culture. That's why we the people have to always be keeping an eye on these people.
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No, LovesMoron. It's quite the opposite. Judges are there to ensure that people's legal rights aren't trampled on by bigoted cretins like you. Please fuck off.
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Wouldnt it be funny if Loveschild turned out to be Dan under an alias in order to spark a debate and see how many people come to the defense of gay rights? Well, I suppose less funny and more relieving that someone this stupid and ignorant doesn't exist.
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Activist Judge--(n.) a judicial official who rules against a Conservative Christian's opinion. (from The Loveschild Dictionary)
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Don't hold yer breath about Latin America. I've lived there - extremely rampant homophobia everywhere. If it ever were to happen though, it would be in Argentina since it's the most European of the South American countries. Still, I don't see it happening. Best to just focus on Amurka.
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Where is the activism? Civil rights are civil rights. They are not bestowed on people because of the color of their skin, nor their chosen life style (religious system) nor their sexual orientation (if the judge is impartial and not making laws). I fail to see any activism on the part of this Judge. Civil contracts are open anyone that meets the qualifications. Apparently Civil Rights in Argentina are now being granted to all citizens. We'll see how this plays out.
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Loveschild, you are not Argentinean so shut the fuck up.
You have no idea what the Argentinean constitution or laws say, so shut the fuck up.
Your invocation of "we the people" is silly as it ignores "me, the individual" possessed of individual rights, if "we the people" decided civil rights then in all likelihood the north would have let the South go and slavery would've persisted another 70 years.
You also have no idea what you're talking about about activist judges. Activist judges in several New England States, and in the UK, DECLARED SLAVERY ILLEGAL in the early 19th century.
Come on Loveschild, tell us how AWFUL and pernicious that was. Come on, chicken, tell us you'd prefer that the "settled common law" of NH and MA and UK had stayed the same, with Africans and others enslaved. How DARE Lord Mansfield TAKE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AWAY LIKE THAT....and without compensation.
Come on, tell us how you reconcile THAT judicial activism with your position denouncing judicial activism.
Are you saying we should reverse those rulings as being illegally activist so that we can enslave people again?
What your position boils down to is "natural law rights and liberty for me, but not for thee" and it's not only selfish but it's damn ignorant as being intellectually inconsistent and/or dishonest.
You have no idea what the Argentinean constitution or laws say, so shut the fuck up.
Your invocation of "we the people" is silly as it ignores "me, the individual" possessed of individual rights, if "we the people" decided civil rights then in all likelihood the north would have let the South go and slavery would've persisted another 70 years.
You also have no idea what you're talking about about activist judges. Activist judges in several New England States, and in the UK, DECLARED SLAVERY ILLEGAL in the early 19th century.
Come on Loveschild, tell us how AWFUL and pernicious that was. Come on, chicken, tell us you'd prefer that the "settled common law" of NH and MA and UK had stayed the same, with Africans and others enslaved. How DARE Lord Mansfield TAKE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY AWAY LIKE THAT....and without compensation.
Come on, tell us how you reconcile THAT judicial activism with your position denouncing judicial activism.
Are you saying we should reverse those rulings as being illegally activist so that we can enslave people again?
What your position boils down to is "natural law rights and liberty for me, but not for thee" and it's not only selfish but it's damn ignorant as being intellectually inconsistent and/or dishonest.
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@6--I've heard that supposition floated about before and I gotta say it's possible. The pityable and unchristian opinions of a self-described Conservative Christian aren't all that hard to imitate and Dan's clearly a good enough writer to be able to pull it off.
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Actually, ALL the posts are Dan's....we are just little slivers in the eyeball of Dan's imagination....
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@9 After successfully having wiped out thru what's basically genocide the population of African ancestry, of course they're now overwhelmingly the most european country in South America. *Sounds like heaven for some of ya here doesn't it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro_Argent…
Have to admit tho, you're right in one thing, This ideology has been nurtured and implemented exclusively by europeans both here in North and South America and in their last colonial stronghold in Africa, that is South Africa. And for the love of me i don't get it, if you love so much europe ( nothing wrong in that, i love my ancestral motherland Africa too), if it's a nice place to live, and has some good well founded institutions, then by all means why not immigrate there where gay marriage rules? Why forced it upon other people who have morals and diverging views contrary to yours?
Hasn't there been enough euro-centralized racist policies and ideologies here in America that have been proven to be detrimental for people of the First Nations and African Americans alike already: slavery, the indian intercourse act, the rez, cointelpro, just to name some.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro_Argent…
Have to admit tho, you're right in one thing, This ideology has been nurtured and implemented exclusively by europeans both here in North and South America and in their last colonial stronghold in Africa, that is South Africa. And for the love of me i don't get it, if you love so much europe ( nothing wrong in that, i love my ancestral motherland Africa too), if it's a nice place to live, and has some good well founded institutions, then by all means why not immigrate there where gay marriage rules? Why forced it upon other people who have morals and diverging views contrary to yours?
Hasn't there been enough euro-centralized racist policies and ideologies here in America that have been proven to be detrimental for people of the First Nations and African Americans alike already: slavery, the indian intercourse act, the rez, cointelpro, just to name some.
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@6: As The Max writes, it is possible. It could also be any Stranger staff or just some gay atheist's straw sock puppet.
@13: Holy shit! Dan Savage is Vishnu?
@14: Hi Dan! Love the "my ancestral motherland of Africa," but, remember, all humanity has African as our motherland.
@13: Holy shit! Dan Savage is Vishnu?
@14: Hi Dan! Love the "my ancestral motherland of Africa," but, remember, all humanity has African as our motherland.
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So, let me understand this. Because your bigoted views mean you don't approve of some people, those people should leave America? And your solution to the problem of "detrimental policies and ideologies" is to create and/or maintain yet more detrimental policies and ideologies? You are a fucking moron.
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Why would any real conversative "Christian" spend so much time writing and listening to a loudmouth fag and his blog?
Loveschild is clearly bogus and I really don't understand why any attention is paid to her at all. At least Mr Poe was funny and outrageous. LC is only predictably boring and fake.
Where's Ecce Homo when you need him....
Loveschild is clearly bogus and I really don't understand why any attention is paid to her at all. At least Mr Poe was funny and outrageous. LC is only predictably boring and fake.
Where's Ecce Homo when you need him....
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Maybe all the bigoted Catholic bishops will focus their attention on Argentina and get the hell out of our health care legislation.
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@14 and of course.. gay afriican americans and gay africans should suck it and shut up. about rights, civil or otherwise...oh wait they're not really black or africans either..or people for that matter.
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@14--Ah, the Alan Keyes argument: Demanding liberty and justice for all is somehow racist. You say we're forcing our opinions upon you just like or ancestors did to your ancestors.
I pity you.
I pity you.
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Emigrate to Canada !
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli…
Pollster Michael Adams, who tracks social values in Canada, says sexual orientation isn't an issue. “We're at the point where we're past it,” he says. “There are groups whose cultural differences are more controversial than being gay.”
A 2007 Environics survey found that 75 per cent of Canadians agree or strongly agree that gays and lesbians should be permitted to run for public office, the highest approval level of all countries in the Western Hemisphere.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli…
Pollster Michael Adams, who tracks social values in Canada, says sexual orientation isn't an issue. “We're at the point where we're past it,” he says. “There are groups whose cultural differences are more controversial than being gay.”
A 2007 Environics survey found that 75 per cent of Canadians agree or strongly agree that gays and lesbians should be permitted to run for public office, the highest approval level of all countries in the Western Hemisphere.
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And note, LOveschild, TWO of the (potential) candidates for mayor are gay. And one is (gasp!) legally MARRIED. And it still isn't raining blood or frogs .... you're on the wrong side of history.......
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Actually, you don't have to emigrate to Canada: just check on the values held by the yonger generation as noted by various polling agencies. America will end up like Canada, Spain, Argentina, and "Scandinavia:" the hatred you express will be laughable ....
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#9: Yes, because L. America is one homogenous bloc of backward Catholic countries. Having lived in some undisclosed country in L. America doesn't qualify you to make generalized statements about the every country--there's a whole range of political and social opinion throughout L. America. When I was in Argentina, I saw lots of openly gay men and women, and they weren't shy or discreet about it. Unfortunately, women are still treated as second-class citizens. I saw plenty of pro-abortion graffiti while I was there though, and that was heartening,
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So clearly it's time for the troll to come to a Slog Happy Hour and support it's troll views in person.
Seriously... let's start a movement to get the troll to appear at the next Slog Happy Hour. What have you got to lose, Troll? Can you say the same things in person that you say on-line? Can you?
Seriously... let's start a movement to get the troll to appear at the next Slog Happy Hour. What have you got to lose, Troll? Can you say the same things in person that you say on-line? Can you?
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A new Argentina!
The chains of the masses untied!
A new Argentina!
The voice of the people cannot be denied!
The chains of the masses untied!
A new Argentina!
The voice of the people cannot be denied!
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Where will the social conservative/ religious nuts move when the United States becomes more libertarian?
The fact is that there isn't really anywhere in the free world that would tolerate their crap. I guess the Palinites could take over a country like Afghanistan and install a theoacracy.
Palin/Loveschild in '12!
The fact is that there isn't really anywhere in the free world that would tolerate their crap. I guess the Palinites could take over a country like Afghanistan and install a theoacracy.
Palin/Loveschild in '12!
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Amen. Look, people, if you don't want to make use of the excellent Slog Registered commenter filter, then I entirely respect your choice. But the next time you are about to rise to the bait, please ask yourself whether you really have any hope of engaging the troll in productive dialogue. Because otherwise, you are just contributing to its vile amusement and raising the signal-to-noise ratio.
Loveschild is clearly bogus and I really don't understand why any attention is paid to her at all.
Amen. Look, people, if you don't want to make use of the excellent Slog Registered commenter filter, then I entirely respect your choice. But the next time you are about to rise to the bait, please ask yourself whether you really have any hope of engaging the troll in productive dialogue. Because otherwise, you are just contributing to its vile amusement and raising the signal-to-noise ratio.
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Hello, I am writing from Argentina, (sorry, my English is not very good).I´m very happy with the desicion of the judge, and this sets a great precedent for the bill currently being discussed in our congress, for legalizing marriage for same-sex.The 66 % of the Argentines agree with that to happen, according to recent polls in the newspapers.About the abortion, the law specifies the cases where it can be done, but many women we hope to improve the law and we are working on that direccion.And finally I disagree that we considered women second-class citizens here. Our President, several cabinet ministers are women, so likewise as the authors of the bill of the same sex marriage and the judge who ruled in favor of alex and jose( the young men who can now marry), are also women.
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I live in Seattle but am in Buenos Aires on vacation at the moment, and I find it interesting that emergency contraception is available here free of charge on a no questions asked basis in all public hospitals, but abortion is still illegal. Although many people here seem to be raised Catholic, most people don't go to church. It's very secular compared to other Latin American countries. We were here for the Pride parade last weekend, and though it's not as big of an event as those in some major US cities, the turnout wasn't insignificant. I'm not surprised it would be the first Latin American country to head towards legalizing same-sex marriages.
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Actually, Buenos Aires has had quite far reaching Civil Unions since 2003, and urban Argentine's are quite gay tolerant, so this really isn't much of a surprise. But still - way to go.
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Loveschild, you should move to an African country that kills it's gay citizens. Then you could live out your fantasies.
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@11 - I often wonder what would have happened with the slavery issue if it had been put to a vote.
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I was really happy to read about this (I'm from Argentina, too - Hi, Dan!). And the ruling was quite interesting, made me wonder why no-one has presented those points before. Still, I would not count my chicks yet. Congress was supposed to address gay marriage last week, and not enough representatives showed up for the session. And, despite the fact that the Church does not seem to be as involved in government as it is in other LatAm countries, we are quite backwards in many senses (we had no divorce before 1985, and we still have idiots trying to ban the morning-after pill). On the other hand, we do indeed have a very comprehensive Civil Union for gay couples in Buenos Aires, and it is a rather cosmopolitan and gay-friendly city, in general. So there's hopefully a good chance marriage laws will be changed some time soon.
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I am very happy about this decision. Also, the text of the decision from the judge is beautiful, moving and to the point. I have read many of this statements by judges before, but this was the best of all. I would dispute the definition of Argentina being a "Catholic" country. Most people are baptized, but noone goes to church and most people dont consider religion as part of their daily life. In short, Argentina, compared to the US is not a religious country AT ALL. People here are open about a lot of issues and quite gay friendly. Of course, there are a lot of fights to be fought, but this is a great step in the right direction. My prediction is that gay marriage with full rights will be a reality very soon, in a year or two. Cheers to that. So everyone come visit Buenos Aires, youll love it. Hehehe.
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