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Wednesday, November 11, 2009

CERN's Large Hadron Collider Encounters Bird Food From the Future?

Posted by Charles Mudede on Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:06 AM

Slog reader Jeff Yencho just asked me to comment on this piece of news ("I read this today and thought 'geez, I'd love to hear Charles' take on this...'"):

Sometime on Nov. 3, the supercooled magnets in sector 81 of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), outside Geneva, began to dangerously overheat. Scientists rushed to diagnose the problem, since the particle accelerator has to maintain a temperature colder than deep space in order to work. The culprit? "A bit of baguette," says Mike Lamont of the control center of CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, which built and maintains the LHC. Apparently, a passing bird may have dropped the chunk of bread on an electrical substation above the accelerator, causing a power cut. The baguette was removed, power to the cryogenic system was restored and within a few days the magnets returned to their supercool temperatures.

While most scientists would write off the event as a freak accident, two esteemed physicists have formulated a theory that suggests an alternative explanation: perhaps a time-traveling bird was sent from the future to sabotage the experiment.


First, Jeff, time travel is not possible. A little philosophical thinking will make that clear to anyone. Two, you should not look to the future to make any sense of this bird but to the past. In the past, there exists another big science project that had a problem with a bird (or actually birds). This particular project led to the discovery (the accidental discovery) of the cosmic microwave background, the birth of the universe, and the substance of the Big Bang theory. The birds involved in that science project, however, had digested the food that caused the problem.

From Wikipedia:

[In 1962, two physicists (Penzias worked with Wilson) began working in Holmdel, New Jersey] on ultra-sensitive cryogenic microwave receivers intended for radio astronomy observations.

In 1964, on building their most sensitive antenna/receiver system, Penzias and Wilson encountered radio noise that they could not explain. It was far less energetic than the radiation given off by the Milky Way, and it was isotropic, so they assumed their instrument was subject to interference by terrestrial sources. They tried, and then rejected, the hypothesis that the radio noise emanated from New York City. An examination of the microwave horn antenna showed it was full of pigeon droppings (which Penzias described as "white dielectric material"). After the pair removed the guano buildup, and the pigeons were shot (each physicist says the other ordered the deed), the noise remained. Having rejected all sources of interference, the pair published a paper announcing their findings. This was later identified as the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMB), the radio remnant of the Big Bang. This allowed astronomers to confirm the Big Bang, and to correct many of their previous assumptions about it.

This account is almost correct. The scientists had tried to relocate the birds (five in all) 30 or so miles from the antenna/receiver but two returned—those two were shot.

But, Jeff, do you see the cosmic connection? The scientist heard the birth of the universe and thought it was bird shit. What, in the case of the Hadron Collider, are we to make of this piece of undigested bird food? It cannot, I think, be separated from the bird shit that was once on the antenna/receiver system.

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As contrary to conventional scientific thought as it is, the universe abhors an exposed higgs boson idea is coming from very reputable scientists. I'd withhold judgement until further testing is done. They have proposed ways to test their hypothesis.
Posted by Sean on November 11, 2009 at 10:20 AM
pissy mcslogbot 2
ahhh, yes it only appears my pigeon avec la rage failed in his task, ha ha ha but noooo!!! zeees petit oiseau hero saved all of us from the devastation of these large dick collisions.
Posted by pissy mcslogbot on November 11, 2009 at 10:27 AM
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Penzias and Wilson ate breakfast a scant 200 yards from a radio telescope that peered into the fastnesses of an impersonal universe that no more cares for the lives of you and me than do the goons manning Castro's machine gun nests across the bay from Gitmo. Who ordered the Code Red on those pigeons? Sure physics is about finding the truth, but you can't handle the truth!
Posted by Eric from Boulder on November 11, 2009 at 10:37 AM
4
Scientists don't care what the philosophers say is impossible.
Posted by Ackham on November 11, 2009 at 10:45 AM
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...time travel is not possible. A little philosophical thinking will make that clear to anyone.


Physics will have the last word on that.
Posted by keshmeshi on November 11, 2009 at 10:50 AM
derrickito 6
i think you're missing the entire joke here mudede. rather than explain it to you, ill just giggle on the inside.
Posted by derrickito on November 11, 2009 at 10:54 AM
MR. Language Person 7
@5. Exactly. Mudede should read the last chapter of Brian Greene's "The Fabric of the Cosmos," which addresses Mudede's probable paradoxes rather well.
Posted by MR. Language Person on November 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM
stinkbug 8
"First, Jeff, time travel is not possible."

Please define "time travel". Thanks.
Posted by stinkbug on November 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM
slaggy 9
"Time travel" is entirely possible...just not in the futuristic bird terrorist-sense.
Posted by slaggy http://www.videowatchdog.com on November 11, 2009 at 11:44 AM
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Time travel isn't impossible. Philosophical thinking simply creates a need to answer questions about causality. You can go with the multi-verse explanation (you aren't changing *your* past, you are just switching realities for one in which you already went back in time and did what you did). Also, there is reason to believe, given the energies involved, it's possible that some of the hiccups in getting LHC up and running are caused by future events in the collision traveling backward in time. This has been (more seriously) suggested by physicists.

Secondly, according to general relativity, time travel *is* possible, you just have to travel the right way around co-orbiting superstrings (duh!).
Posted by Mr.Joshua on November 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM
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"Traveling backward in time is not possible" is a more accurate statement.
Posted by Dougsf on November 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM
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"...time travel is not possible. A little philosophical thinking will make that clear to anyone."

A good philosophy article to the contrary is David Lewis's famous "The Paradoxes of Time Travel"
http://www.scribd.com/doc/11547480/The-P…

... in which, if I remember correctly, he argues that certain kinds of time travel -- the kind where the timeline is never changed (think 12 Monkeys, maybe Time Traveler's Wife)-- avoid paradoxes, and other kinds (Back to The Future) don't, and so the former kinds are possible and the latter are not.
Posted by David Nixon on November 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM
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We have enough problems to solve now without going to the past and mucking things up worse. Birds are ubiquitous and interfere with man's machines often. Many airplanes, for example, have engine damage from bird strikes. So an open air vent would likely eventually contain detritus.
Posted by Vince on November 11, 2009 at 1:28 PM
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Time Travel not possible?

pppffft weak troll attempt Chuckles

stick to white wimmenz.
Posted by didnt think you were that dumb on November 11, 2009 at 3:00 PM
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It is highly possible that a passing bird would have dropped the object, but as I always say, nothing is impossible. But saying that this humongus particle accelerator could create black holes and worm holes, a futuristic bird of some sort could have passed through an unknown wormhole generated, and dropped the object.
Posted by The Technogirl on November 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM
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Fiction can be a sort of 'truth discourse' - that could, for example make Time Travel quite possible.
CERN ZOO
Posted by Cone Zero on November 12, 2009 at 7:46 AM
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"time travel is not possible. A little philosophical thinking will make that clear to anyone."

Your philosophy has disconnected you from reality.
Posted by I have always been... east coaster on November 12, 2009 at 11:08 AM
Fifty-Two-Eighty 18
@6 got it right.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty http://www.nra.org on November 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM

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