Monday, November 9, 2009
Arts / Religion The Tard Supper
Posted by Dan Savage on Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM
Russian artist Raoef Mamedov's Last Supper features Jesus and his twelve disciples as portrayed by men with Downs syndrome. (Click image for larger version.)
I can never look at an alternative version of the last supper—and there are so many—without recalling the outrage that greeted Folsom's Leather/Fetish Supper a few years back, the only alt version that has ever drawn fire from the religious right. Via MyFormative.
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Dan, I'm just going to have to hope that the title is that of the work of art and you are just reproducing it for the post. Otherwise, though accurate, I think it was kind of in poor taste.
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Dan, you're just a dick. Really..get over the whole "tard" thing. It makes you appear extremely infantile.
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Dan, do you think calling someone with Down's syndrome a "Tard" is somehow more acceptable than calling a homosexual any variety of slur? Do you really think that someone with Down's syndrome can properly defend themselfs when confronted with a hateful word like that? If someone came up to you and called you a "Fag", I'm sure you'd have some witty comeback and put that person in their place.
As someone who works with high school students that are LGBT and students that are mentally handicapped, I'm really disappointed in you on this.
As someone who works with high school students that are LGBT and students that are mentally handicapped, I'm really disappointed in you on this.
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If this painting has a single redeeming quality, can someone point it out to me? At least the others were funny. This just fails.
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No pictorial Last Supper can touch the Monty Python version, as described by Michael Palin in the documentary currently showing on IFC: "we're going to need a table for twelve, well, thirteen, really. Oh, and we all need to be on the same side". "I'm sorry, sir, we don't have any tables that large available, but I can put six of you here, and seven over there".
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What's with the Costco folding tables? If there were three, or 21 (for trisomy-21), I'd get it, but five? It's distracting from the faces that are the painting's raison d'ętre, however you feel about it.
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Does this have a point, other than asking people to stop and laugh at the funny Downs Syndrome people? Is there a subtext I'm not getting?
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Poor taste on Slog? - it's occasional just like an innocent man being elected to office. Not to mention that 'tard' is a Southern colloquialism for 'tired'. In the same way that Madeleine Kahn (the last Schtupper) was 'tired' in "Blazing Saddles -".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQU0_PHUB…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQU0_PHUB…
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I don't get why portraying Downs Syndrome people means you're supposed to laugh at them.
Am I missing something the artist stated himself? Or are people making amazingly telling assumptions?
Am I missing something the artist stated himself? Or are people making amazingly telling assumptions?
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Rhett, how can you possibly believe that that's where this use of "tard" comes from? Are you exceptionally tired or something?
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@10: They're actually photographs. From what I can see, they're all separate works, so that's why the tables don't connect.
http://www.zakirova.com/zakirova/mamedov…
http://www.zakirova.com/zakirova/mamedov…
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Redoing a classical art work doesn't mean it's supposed to be a parody or satire!
I'm not saying this *isn't* the case, but I'm just so confused by people who think this is supposed to be humorous because it apes a famous painting.
I'm not saying this *isn't* the case, but I'm just so confused by people who think this is supposed to be humorous because it apes a famous painting.
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Rob! - apparently this was originally 5 separate works, to allow the viewer to see each grouping as a work unto itself.
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@14 - how about "sounds like a Southern colloquialism"??? and if it's used the way Dan uses it, an apostrophe is indicated. Of course I know what 'tard' means, but I fear it is being given disproportionate p.c. weight in these judgmental times. As an animal rights lover, I might take exception to your "fuck ewe" handle, but I'm tard.
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Re: 10, 15 (thanks Gloria!)
Ah—Wikipedia on The Last Supper talks about the symbolism of groups of three:
So breaking the tableau into 5 separate paintings emphasizes the groupings of three apostles, and Jesus (whose triangular pose again evokes the number 3) also needs his own space.
Ah—Wikipedia on The Last Supper talks about the symbolism of groups of three:
The painting contains several references to the number 3, which represents the Christian belief in the Holy Trinity. The Apostles are seated in groupings of three; there are three windows behind Jesus; and the shape of Jesus' figure resembles a triangle. There may have been other references that have since been lost to the painting's deterioration.
So breaking the tableau into 5 separate paintings emphasizes the groupings of three apostles, and Jesus (whose triangular pose again evokes the number 3) also needs his own space.
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Given the obscene previous versions i see nothing wrong with this one. In fact I would dare to say it's something of an insult to put it the same category of the other versions. The others had a clear intention of blasphemy and anti-christian bashing, this one tho, at least to me has nothing of the sort and it could well indeed be more reflective of Christ true message of love towards those less fortunate.
Plus many times people with Downs syndrome better reflect christian like principles and stride to better themselves and overcome their physical limitations much better than those that are born without any handicaps but choose to impose them on themselves and thereby limiting their true God-given potential here on Earth.
Plus many times people with Downs syndrome better reflect christian like principles and stride to better themselves and overcome their physical limitations much better than those that are born without any handicaps but choose to impose them on themselves and thereby limiting their true God-given potential here on Earth.
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Dan, why did you use the word "tard"? It is very offensive even if it's not meant to be. Please share your thought pattern...
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Loveschild, aside from your comment about people imposing handicaps on themselves (which I find offensive), what you said got me thinking. Perhaps this painting challenges our idea of holiness, and how we define it. So thanks for that, but I really wish you hadn't used this opportunity to take yet another swipe at all those "voluntary" gay people out there.
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i agree with most here. the photo itself is amazing, probably the best addition yet to redos of the last supper. The slur was unnecessary.
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@19: It's also a practical way of managing a large dramatic group. By breaking up the apostles, you can create several mini-scenes of reactions.
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@20
The only Downs patient I know personally (he's 25) tries to kill his little brother (he's 23) repeatedly. Maybe we should move the older one in with you and let you work your magic.
He's already blinded his brother in one eye.
The only Downs patient I know personally (he's 25) tries to kill his little brother (he's 23) repeatedly. Maybe we should move the older one in with you and let you work your magic.
He's already blinded his brother in one eye.
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"I can never look at an alternative version of the last supper—and there are so many—without recalling the outrage that greeted Folsom's Leather/Fetish Supper a few years back, the only alt version that has ever drawn fire from the religious right."
Huh? What about YO MAMA'S LAST SUPPER, at the Brooklyn Museum a few years back? There must be plenty other controversial renditions of the Last Supper out there that I've forgotten or haven't heard about, but this one took plenty of shit from Rudy Giuliani, Rev. Wildmon et al. and made the evening news. Christians are usually pretty pissed when anybody parodies their imagery, funnel gag or no funnel gag.
Huh? What about YO MAMA'S LAST SUPPER, at the Brooklyn Museum a few years back? There must be plenty other controversial renditions of the Last Supper out there that I've forgotten or haven't heard about, but this one took plenty of shit from Rudy Giuliani, Rev. Wildmon et al. and made the evening news. Christians are usually pretty pissed when anybody parodies their imagery, funnel gag or no funnel gag.
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Uh...yeah, Dan...that's pretty goddamned shallow of you.
And "tards" aren't the same as people with Downs. Fucking hell.
And "tards" aren't the same as people with Downs. Fucking hell.
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@20 & 21:
LC never fails to get in her digs at the 'voluntarily sinning' gays. She overlooks the fact that no one with Downs thinks a gay person is any different than she is- they're very Godly about that. They only judge others by how kind they are to others.
I'd love to see her shrivel up and die after walking one minute in GLBT shoes.
LC never fails to get in her digs at the 'voluntarily sinning' gays. She overlooks the fact that no one with Downs thinks a gay person is any different than she is- they're very Godly about that. They only judge others by how kind they are to others.
I'd love to see her shrivel up and die after walking one minute in GLBT shoes.
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"Of course I know what 'tard' means, but I fear it is being given disproportionate p.c. weight in these judgmental times." So what does "tard" mean to you?
faggot, fairy, tranny, poof, coon, nigglet, jigaboo, kike, chink, wop, gook, dago, hebe... all perfectly acceptable right? You see them everyday as harmless blog post titles, right? Just like tard, right?
Right now tard is the most demeaning offensive hate label still out there, being used everyday because people like you (who should know better) still think it is somehow funny.
faggot, fairy, tranny, poof, coon, nigglet, jigaboo, kike, chink, wop, gook, dago, hebe... all perfectly acceptable right? You see them everyday as harmless blog post titles, right? Just like tard, right?
Right now tard is the most demeaning offensive hate label still out there, being used everyday because people like you (who should know better) still think it is somehow funny.
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Let's have a painting of the last supper that will be closer to reality. A big bunch of flaming queens.
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"Really..get over the whole "tard" thing. It makes you appear extremely infantile." 100% agreed. You are doing yourself a disservice Dan. Please stop.
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Dan,
A simple apology to those you have hurt, and a post title change would go a long way here.
Thanks for your consideration.
A simple apology to those you have hurt, and a post title change would go a long way here.
Thanks for your consideration.
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Hi Dan, I'm a big fan. I'm also the father of a child who has Down syndrome. This is an interesting post, for as much as I love the painting, I hate your headline. I hate that you chose to dismiss it and mock it with such a hurtful word. It speaks volumes about you, maybe more than you realize. It's stunning to me how you of all people can fail to understand how wrong it is to use hateful labels to make fun of an entire group of people. Especially people who may not have the ability to defend themselves. When people call you a fag, you can outwit and outwrite them and walk away a winner. Mentally challenged people do not have that gift. They were born that way - they didn't choose it. Shouldn't that mean something to you? You should remove the headline and apologize. Actually, you should write a column about why you were wrong to use that word.
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I actually find beauty in the depiction of the Last Supper using people with Down syndrome. If all are created in the image and likeness of God, then these men certainly qualify to stand in the place of the apostles and Christ. The artist is way more gifted and crafty than you, however. Your use of the word "tard" speaks volumes against you. Of all people, I'd think you've heard your share of anti-"lifestyle" slurs. Be a real man and apologize. You have offended a huge group of individuals that won't fight back, but will be deeply hurt. Monica, mom to a little boy with Down syndrome.
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I think this picture using individuals with Down syndrome is wonderful. Your title is offensive and hurtful. You should change it and post an apology.
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Dan-
Attitudes about gay people were a lot different when you were a baby than they are now (although there's still lots of room for improvement). That's mostly due to activists like you who spoke up against slurs so that it's no longer acceptable to use words like fag, etc. My baby is 8 months old and has Down syndrome. My hope is that when he grows up, attitudes will have changed enough so that words like "tard" aren't used anymore by thoughtful people. Please don't dismiss our legitimate concerns- we love our kids, and words do make a difference. You know that!!!
Susan Carson
http://pdxcarsons.blogspot.com/
Attitudes about gay people were a lot different when you were a baby than they are now (although there's still lots of room for improvement). That's mostly due to activists like you who spoke up against slurs so that it's no longer acceptable to use words like fag, etc. My baby is 8 months old and has Down syndrome. My hope is that when he grows up, attitudes will have changed enough so that words like "tard" aren't used anymore by thoughtful people. Please don't dismiss our legitimate concerns- we love our kids, and words do make a difference. You know that!!!
Susan Carson
http://pdxcarsons.blogspot.com/
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I bet at least of those men with Down syndrome are gay (are you shocked? disgusted? Wait - you mean these are actually people who happen to have Down syndrome? And just like other people, some could be gay!????)
If you knew they were, would that inspire you to change your headline to "Faggot Tard Last Supper" or "Faggy Tard Last Supper?"
That a grown-up adult person used "Tard Last Supper" on a public website is shocking to me. It is either a sign of great ignorance or great prejudice. My guess is the latter.
The photograph itself is fantastic art, in my opinion. What individuals take away from the picture says so much about them.
If you knew they were, would that inspire you to change your headline to "Faggot Tard Last Supper" or "Faggy Tard Last Supper?"
That a grown-up adult person used "Tard Last Supper" on a public website is shocking to me. It is either a sign of great ignorance or great prejudice. My guess is the latter.
The photograph itself is fantastic art, in my opinion. What individuals take away from the picture says so much about them.
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Hello,
Like some previous commenters, I, too, have a child with Down syndrome. A 16 month old little boy who deserves resepct, just as you do. Please know that your choice in using such a demeaning word, does have an affect on people. It hurts. As soon as I read your title, it felt like I had received a swift punch to the gut.
I have never understood how people could find humor in disrespecting others. Especially those who may not be able to defend themselves. How is that funny? I don't get it...I really don't.
~Laurie, proud Mama to Dylan
Like some previous commenters, I, too, have a child with Down syndrome. A 16 month old little boy who deserves resepct, just as you do. Please know that your choice in using such a demeaning word, does have an affect on people. It hurts. As soon as I read your title, it felt like I had received a swift punch to the gut.
I have never understood how people could find humor in disrespecting others. Especially those who may not be able to defend themselves. How is that funny? I don't get it...I really don't.
~Laurie, proud Mama to Dylan
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Shame on you...masquerading as an openly gay adult man, when you are obviously still in junior high.
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As already stated so eloquently above, great piece of art, very poor choice of title. I normally look forward to your column. I'm surprised at you. Please do the right thing.
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So Dan,
I seem to recall reading that there was some concern for a while that DJ, your son, would have fetal alcohol syndrome when he was born. The prevailing impression that I had from reading your book is that, should he have been born with that disability, you would have loved him just as much as if he had not. Given the cruelty inherent in your having deliberately titled this "The Tard Supper", am I now to presume such proclamations of unconditional love were insincere?
If, in conversation--very casual conversation--you had just stupidly blurted it out as a joke, I would have merely taken it as a sign of ignorance; but to consider the fact that you chose to publish it as an editor, and in the blog of the newspaper you yourself edit, I cannot help but consider this to be prejudice openly displayed. You represent, to a far larger portion of the population than you may care to admit, gay adoptive parents. Viewed in this light, your callous attitude towards people with mental handicaps is not only vile, but also appallingly stupid from a political point of view. But then, it's not your child whose self-esteem you disregard, and it's not your potential ability to adopt a child that is jeopardized by you looking like a bad parent who teaches bad values to children. Apologize.
I seem to recall reading that there was some concern for a while that DJ, your son, would have fetal alcohol syndrome when he was born. The prevailing impression that I had from reading your book is that, should he have been born with that disability, you would have loved him just as much as if he had not. Given the cruelty inherent in your having deliberately titled this "The Tard Supper", am I now to presume such proclamations of unconditional love were insincere?
If, in conversation--very casual conversation--you had just stupidly blurted it out as a joke, I would have merely taken it as a sign of ignorance; but to consider the fact that you chose to publish it as an editor, and in the blog of the newspaper you yourself edit, I cannot help but consider this to be prejudice openly displayed. You represent, to a far larger portion of the population than you may care to admit, gay adoptive parents. Viewed in this light, your callous attitude towards people with mental handicaps is not only vile, but also appallingly stupid from a political point of view. But then, it's not your child whose self-esteem you disregard, and it's not your potential ability to adopt a child that is jeopardized by you looking like a bad parent who teaches bad values to children. Apologize.
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ouch! for all the reasons previously mentioned. my daughter with ds deserves more respect than that and such "contributions" obviously aren't in any way supporting acceptance of diversity.
funny is something else. we expect an apology.
funny is something else. we expect an apology.
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*ring ring*
Hello?
Hello, Mr. Savage, this is Mrs. Chalkyhands, the principal of DJ's school? Hi. I just wanted to call and let you know that I've got DJ sitting here in my office, and wanted to talk to you about a very troubling incident this afternoon... during recess, one of DJ's classmates missed catching a ball and it hit DJ in the head. Despite his classmate's apologies, DJ went over to the boy and called him a "tard". This classmate of DJ happens to have Down syndrome, and is an equally valued member of our school community. Now, I'm going to put DJ on the line, so that you can talk with him about this incident, and then we'll make a plan for making it right. Here you go."
What are you going to say? Seriously? "Hey son, it's all right, he is a tard, after all." "Hey son, don't worry about it, it's just a name." "Hey, Deej, just do your time and get it over with, we know that you're better than that tard anyway."
I would think that after all of these years, the power of name-calling to hurt and degrade would be crystal clear to you, but in case you have somehow forgotten, permit me to remind you: you can use the word 'fag' if you like, because you are one and have clearly reclaimed the term. You can even call me and my wife 'dykes' and we wouldn't really be offended (for the same reason that I think it's okay for you to use 'fag'). However, you shouldn't go around calling Black people 'niggers', and you shouldn't call my son with Down syndrome, or any other people with developmental disabilities, '(re)tards'.
As a regular reader of your column, and on behalf of the myriad folks out there with Down syndrome and other developmental disabilities who also read your column (yes, they're out there! Differences in intelligence and/or chromosomal anomalies do not make a person asexual!), I'd like to see you change the title of your entry and post an apology. And then, finally, PLEASE, quit with the 'tard/retard/that's so leotarded stuff. If you think it's dumb, just say it's dumb.
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Hello?
Hello, Mr. Savage, this is Mrs. Chalkyhands, the principal of DJ's school? Hi. I just wanted to call and let you know that I've got DJ sitting here in my office, and wanted to talk to you about a very troubling incident this afternoon... during recess, one of DJ's classmates missed catching a ball and it hit DJ in the head. Despite his classmate's apologies, DJ went over to the boy and called him a "tard". This classmate of DJ happens to have Down syndrome, and is an equally valued member of our school community. Now, I'm going to put DJ on the line, so that you can talk with him about this incident, and then we'll make a plan for making it right. Here you go."
What are you going to say? Seriously? "Hey son, it's all right, he is a tard, after all." "Hey son, don't worry about it, it's just a name." "Hey, Deej, just do your time and get it over with, we know that you're better than that tard anyway."
I would think that after all of these years, the power of name-calling to hurt and degrade would be crystal clear to you, but in case you have somehow forgotten, permit me to remind you: you can use the word 'fag' if you like, because you are one and have clearly reclaimed the term. You can even call me and my wife 'dykes' and we wouldn't really be offended (for the same reason that I think it's okay for you to use 'fag'). However, you shouldn't go around calling Black people 'niggers', and you shouldn't call my son with Down syndrome, or any other people with developmental disabilities, '(re)tards'.
As a regular reader of your column, and on behalf of the myriad folks out there with Down syndrome and other developmental disabilities who also read your column (yes, they're out there! Differences in intelligence and/or chromosomal anomalies do not make a person asexual!), I'd like to see you change the title of your entry and post an apology. And then, finally, PLEASE, quit with the 'tard/retard/that's so leotarded stuff. If you think it's dumb, just say it's dumb.
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Are you planning on a series of collected artworks? Shall we anticipate a Nigger Breakfast? How about a Faggot Brunch?
The defamatory term you've employed in the title to your post is as unacceptable as the others I've suggested. You're a professional writer with a broader vocabulary base than most to dip into when you're in need of a modifying term. I suggest you dig a bit deeper into it.
I've noted other comments suggesting composing an apology for your inappropriate title. I have to agree. I think you, of all people, are well-skilled in the art of provoking your readers with catchy titles. You've sold yourself short in resorting to a cruel label of a defenseless population to get the job done.
The defamatory term you've employed in the title to your post is as unacceptable as the others I've suggested. You're a professional writer with a broader vocabulary base than most to dip into when you're in need of a modifying term. I suggest you dig a bit deeper into it.
I've noted other comments suggesting composing an apology for your inappropriate title. I have to agree. I think you, of all people, are well-skilled in the art of provoking your readers with catchy titles. You've sold yourself short in resorting to a cruel label of a defenseless population to get the job done.
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Dan,
Really? Tard Supper? As a long-time fan, I am extremely disappointed. Seriously. I can't really express it enough. I will stop reading your blog and column if this continues. Oh, and "leotarded" doesn't work either, except as a half-hearted, over-justified concession. I love your stuff, just please don't be a jackass.
Really? Tard Supper? As a long-time fan, I am extremely disappointed. Seriously. I can't really express it enough. I will stop reading your blog and column if this continues. Oh, and "leotarded" doesn't work either, except as a half-hearted, over-justified concession. I love your stuff, just please don't be a jackass.
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You tard-lovers just don't get it, do you? Dan isn't reading these comments. In fact, if he's paying any attention at all, it's to laugh all the way to the bank after seeing how many page hits this thread has gotten. But I guess you fucking morons are too dumb to have figured that out for yourselves, so by all means, knock yourselves out.
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Vile title Dan. Uncool and not representative of the individuals in the art. What were you thinking?
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Like so many others here, I am apalled that someone would use this word, especially whose job is so steeped in promoting acceptance of those who don't fit into societies idea of normal.
My daughter cannot reply to this. She is only one year old. But even if she does develop a reasonable vocabulary later in her life, I really can't imagine her ever referring to you as a Fag. So, please, don't stoop to calling her a Retard!
My daughter cannot reply to this. She is only one year old. But even if she does develop a reasonable vocabulary later in her life, I really can't imagine her ever referring to you as a Fag. So, please, don't stoop to calling her a Retard!
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I'm very disappointed in Dan's insulting title which he chose for this post/article. No need to stoop to such a low level for the sake of whatever sick sense of humor you might have. Really, you need a reality check on what is appropriate, even within the realm of humor, creativity, and writing. Whatever your views are on this artwork, you need to think about an apology for the title you came up with.
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So if the artist had done a photograph with 13 black people would you have labeled it "The Nigger Supper
If Fifty-Two-Eighty is an example of your supporters, Dan, perhaps you should think about closing your blog and joining a monastery.
And Fifty-Two-Eighty, I'm sure Dan will be able to retire now with the extra 100 hits.
If Fifty-Two-Eighty is an example of your supporters, Dan, perhaps you should think about closing your blog and joining a monastery.
And Fifty-Two-Eighty, I'm sure Dan will be able to retire now with the extra 100 hits.
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The painting itself is open for interpretation just like any piece of art. The title is not. We should all be aware that using any word that is harmful to any group of people is in poor taste and reflects more on the user than its intended victim. I'm sad for people who use awful words like "fag" or "tard" and see no harm in it. Being aware of our own words and the power they hold takes intelligence and maturity. Let's hope that the amount of attention this post has drawn can help some individuals grow.
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Love the picture, hate the title. My daugher, who is 3, has Down Syndrome and definitely doesn't deserve to be called a "tard". You shouldn't pick on people that can't necessarily defend themselves. It's not right. Please change the title and issue an apology.
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Dan,
I'm a big fan and I dig your straightforward style. But I agree with the commenters, what's up with using 'tard?
You can take back faggot, and black folks can take back nigger, but you can't take back someone else's word. From you, 'tard is just a slur. Which would be okay by me if you were being offensive to make a point. But it seems like that's not it; feels to me like you just don't give a fuck. But, Dan, why make fun of people with down syndrome? Do they really need to be taken down a notch?
- Jim
I'm a big fan and I dig your straightforward style. But I agree with the commenters, what's up with using 'tard?
You can take back faggot, and black folks can take back nigger, but you can't take back someone else's word. From you, 'tard is just a slur. Which would be okay by me if you were being offensive to make a point. But it seems like that's not it; feels to me like you just don't give a fuck. But, Dan, why make fun of people with down syndrome? Do they really need to be taken down a notch?
- Jim
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How hypocritical to use hate speech in your title when you know better. Please change the title and apologize.
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Dan, I'm with the rest of those who don't appreciate your unwillingness to do a simple thing like strike an offensive and unnecessary word from your vocabulary. You've already said you would stop, so just stop. And "leotarded" is unimaginative and feels like the same word, really. You're so much smarter than this.
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It never ceases to amaze me when people climb on the backs of others and trample on their dignity, especially when those people were (in the not so distant past - and still are today to some degree) the victims of such cruelty.
The difference here? Dan, you have a large audience. Dedicated followers. And as an openly-gay man you demand respect and equal rights from others. But when it comes to people who were born with a developmental disability, you take a very public and very mean swipe at them? Assuming they don't deserve the same respect, dignity, and equal rights as much as gays and lesbians? Just as much as anybody?
I have no doubt that you simply thought this would be a funny headline. People would get a good chuckle (and, indeed, based on some of the comments here some of your readers got a good laugh). But it's a deliberate use of a put down. An insult. You didn't choose this headline because it would shine a well-deserved light on a beautiful piece of art that features people who are often invisible in our society. You chose it because you thought it was funny. At one time some people might have laughed at The Faggot Supper, but it was still wrong.
You should change the title of the post and apologize for disrespecting an entire class of people who traditionally have been marginalized, ostracized, ignored, feared, disrespected, and turned into second class citizens around the world. Sound familiar?
The difference here? Dan, you have a large audience. Dedicated followers. And as an openly-gay man you demand respect and equal rights from others. But when it comes to people who were born with a developmental disability, you take a very public and very mean swipe at them? Assuming they don't deserve the same respect, dignity, and equal rights as much as gays and lesbians? Just as much as anybody?
I have no doubt that you simply thought this would be a funny headline. People would get a good chuckle (and, indeed, based on some of the comments here some of your readers got a good laugh). But it's a deliberate use of a put down. An insult. You didn't choose this headline because it would shine a well-deserved light on a beautiful piece of art that features people who are often invisible in our society. You chose it because you thought it was funny. At one time some people might have laughed at The Faggot Supper, but it was still wrong.
You should change the title of the post and apologize for disrespecting an entire class of people who traditionally have been marginalized, ostracized, ignored, feared, disrespected, and turned into second class citizens around the world. Sound familiar?
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Wow, I can't believe you even have followers. How pitiful can someone be? Thanks for reminding me that there are people in this world that I have absolutely no time for except to write that this title sucks and so does your column.
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It's ironic that you would use a picture of the Lord's supper to degrade individuals with Down syndrome.
What's your story, Dan? Why are you gay? Were you abused by someone? Was your mother very domineering? Or do you truly believe you don't have a choice?
Open up the Bible and see what God has to say about homosexuality. Romans 1.
You want to bash individuals with Down syndrome? It's all hate. You need to retrack and apologize. However, you probably won't b/c you don't care. I have peace b/c I know that life will come back to slap you in the face.
What's your story, Dan? Why are you gay? Were you abused by someone? Was your mother very domineering? Or do you truly believe you don't have a choice?
Open up the Bible and see what God has to say about homosexuality. Romans 1.
You want to bash individuals with Down syndrome? It's all hate. You need to retrack and apologize. However, you probably won't b/c you don't care. I have peace b/c I know that life will come back to slap you in the face.
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There are many ways to be "retarded". My child with down syndrome will have mental retardation, but will never have social retardation. This is something that I consistently explain to my other children when we hear the term "retard". My beautiful daughter will never use words to demean others... it is part of her inherent beauty. She wears her down syndrome, so it is obvious to the world. Your ridicule of those who were born with disability says quite a bit about you.
63
Dan hates handicapped people because they're not *hot*.
Asshole.
You used to be much less of an asshole, Dan.
Asshole.
You used to be much less of an asshole, Dan.
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@ 61 - "Open up the Bible and see what God has to say about homosexuality. Romans 1."
No, that's what Paul had to say about homosexuality.
No, that's what Paul had to say about homosexuality.
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Such a hurtful title Dan. Please reconsider your choice of words. I'm the mother to a beautiful 21 month old boy with Down syndrome. It's my job as his mother to help advocate for him and hope that he enters a world that is compassionate to him. Please find another word to use that doesn't offend the very innocent and their families.
Jen
Jen
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Dan, would it really break your heart to stop using that particular piece of hate speech? It's not funny, not clever, and not defensible. It undermines the rest of your work by making you look like the kind of person who's only interested in the rights of his own community, and completely indifferent to the rights of other groups.
--Mordant C.
--Mordant C.
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Dan, some day when your son gets his butt whooped on the playground, it won't be because he is being attacked for having two daddies but rather because he insulted someone's little sibling by calling them a "tard". Too bad his father isn't teaching him the tolerance he so badly wants for his own group.
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At first glance I see a lovely portrayal of the Last Supper, with people who are probably closer to God than most reading here.
It is unfortunate that it is tainted by the slur used in the title. Shame on you for mocking an entire community of beautiful people with that title. It is offensive.
It is unfortunate that it is tainted by the slur used in the title. Shame on you for mocking an entire community of beautiful people with that title. It is offensive.
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I assume that Dan's use of tard in the title is the French "tard," meaning the late supper. Otherwise the title is just leotarded.
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Mrs. Morris, that is quite a stretch. The "Late" Last Supper? The word retard is from the latin word retardare which means delay or slow. The original in latin has been used for the basis of many words in several languages. In music, ritardando means to gradually become slower. Their is nothing inherently wrong with the word, unless you are using it to label those with disabilities. Unfortunately, the repetitive use of the word retard impacts those with disabilities and the people who love them. I think Mr. Savage is the only one who can explain his description of the painting that depicts adults with Down Syndrome. Explain or apologize.
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#69 The French for it would be en retard, or rather le dîner en retard. But you probably knew that already.
Wouldn't it be nice if we were all on the same side of the field, sticking up for one another... instead of you making fun of our kids? Wouldn't it be nice if you were tolerant of our differences, as we are of yours? You want me to vote for your GBLT rights while you make jokes at my kid's expense?
Wouldn't it be nice if we were all on the same side of the field, sticking up for one another... instead of you making fun of our kids? Wouldn't it be nice if you were tolerant of our differences, as we are of yours? You want me to vote for your GBLT rights while you make jokes at my kid's expense?
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@69: I had that thought too, except as #71 pointed out, it's "en retard." The French for "Last Supper" would be "La Derniere Cene." (Can't bother with accents today.) Wiki lists it as merely "La Cene."
I'm disappointed in Dan too. I'm a big fan and I think he's done a lot in other arenas. That he keeps sticking to this is unnecessary and not very gracious.
I'm disappointed in Dan too. I'm a big fan and I think he's done a lot in other arenas. That he keeps sticking to this is unnecessary and not very gracious.
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How can a man of so many words offer none when they are needed most?
Dan, please apologize. It matters. Start giving others the respect that you demand for yourself, the respect that you have been given by a large and diverse audience.
Even two little words would be better than nothing.
Dan, please apologize. It matters. Start giving others the respect that you demand for yourself, the respect that you have been given by a large and diverse audience.
Even two little words would be better than nothing.
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Even if Dan isn't, someone on the staff of The Stranger must be monitoring these comments periodically. I am writing to respectfully request that someone on the staff of The Stranger please comment on the reaction to Dan Savage’s “Tard Supper” post. The silence from the rest of The Stranger staff suggests that you just don’t care what we are saying, and implies that you believe that hate speech against people with disabilities is acceptable. Is that true of the entire staff of The Stranger? If not, if someone, anyone, understands our outrage, please, please, speak up!
75
I guess the humor is a bit lost. It's a piece of artwork. A nice one. But it's not funny. It's not humorous. It's not angering. It doesn't stir emotion or make a point.
I do have to respond to OutInBumF's comment: She overlooks the fact that no one with Downs thinks a gay person is any different than she is- they're very Godly about that. They only judge others by how kind they are to others.
I recently wrote a post on my blog regarding being gay and Down syndrome. I received a comment from a woman with Down syndrome who ripped me a new one for comparing the two and stated my "condition" (my word, not hers) was a chosen sin and she was born as she was meant to be. "They" don't judge alike. "They" are individuals.
Apparently, Dan enjoys the attention he gets from using the word "retard" and his various uses of the word. I would be more impressed if he used his intelligence rather than shock value in his writing. THEN I would be impressed. I mean, seriously. Tard? You couldn't come up with something more intelligent than that?
I, like Oz Squad Alpha, have a child with Down syndrome. I am also, like Dan, gay. I guess this gives me a unique perspective on the entire situation.
I fail to see how you can demand to be respected as a gay man and then turn around and disrespect an entire community of individuals (not just infants and their parents) but INDIVIDUALS who will likely face much more discrimination than you ever have. Hello? Pot? This is Kettle. You're black.
I'm gay. You're gay.
I'm a parent. You're a parent.
Let's make a deal. I'll respect your kid....if you respect mine.
CJ
www.dontlicktheferrets.com
I do have to respond to OutInBumF's comment: She overlooks the fact that no one with Downs thinks a gay person is any different than she is- they're very Godly about that. They only judge others by how kind they are to others.
I recently wrote a post on my blog regarding being gay and Down syndrome. I received a comment from a woman with Down syndrome who ripped me a new one for comparing the two and stated my "condition" (my word, not hers) was a chosen sin and she was born as she was meant to be. "They" don't judge alike. "They" are individuals.
Apparently, Dan enjoys the attention he gets from using the word "retard" and his various uses of the word. I would be more impressed if he used his intelligence rather than shock value in his writing. THEN I would be impressed. I mean, seriously. Tard? You couldn't come up with something more intelligent than that?
I, like Oz Squad Alpha, have a child with Down syndrome. I am also, like Dan, gay. I guess this gives me a unique perspective on the entire situation.
I fail to see how you can demand to be respected as a gay man and then turn around and disrespect an entire community of individuals (not just infants and their parents) but INDIVIDUALS who will likely face much more discrimination than you ever have. Hello? Pot? This is Kettle. You're black.
I'm gay. You're gay.
I'm a parent. You're a parent.
Let's make a deal. I'll respect your kid....if you respect mine.
CJ
www.dontlicktheferrets.com
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I guess the humor is a bit lost. It's a piece of artwork. A nice one. But it's not funny. It's not humorous. It's not angering. It doesn't stir emotion or make a point.
I do have to respond to OutInBumF's comment: She overlooks the fact that no one with Downs thinks a gay person is any different than she is- they're very Godly about that. They only judge others by how kind they are to others.
I recently wrote a post on my blog regarding being gay and Down syndrome. I received a comment from a woman with Down syndrome who ripped me a new one for comparing the two and stated my "condition" (my word, not hers) was a chosen sin and she was born as she was meant to be. "They" don't judge alike. "They" are individuals.
Apparently, Dan enjoys the attention he gets from using the word "retard" and his various uses of the word. I would be more impressed if he used his intelligence rather than shock value in his writing. THEN I would be impressed. I mean, seriously. Tard? You couldn't come up with something more intelligent than that?
I, like Oz Squad Alpha, have a child with Down syndrome. I am also, like Dan, gay. I guess this gives me a unique perspective on the entire situation.
I fail to see how you can demand to be respected as a gay man and then turn around and disrespect an entire community of individuals (not just infants and their parents) but INDIVIDUALS who will likely face much more discrimination than you ever have. Hello? Pot? This is Kettle. You're black.
I'm gay. You're gay.
I'm a parent. You're a parent.
Let's make a deal. I'll respect your kid....if you respect mine.
CJ
www.dontlicktheferrets.com
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I do have to respond to OutInBumF's comment: She overlooks the fact that no one with Downs thinks a gay person is any different than she is- they're very Godly about that. They only judge others by how kind they are to others.
I recently wrote a post on my blog regarding being gay and Down syndrome. I received a comment from a woman with Down syndrome who ripped me a new one for comparing the two and stated my "condition" (my word, not hers) was a chosen sin and she was born as she was meant to be. "They" don't judge alike. "They" are individuals.
Apparently, Dan enjoys the attention he gets from using the word "retard" and his various uses of the word. I would be more impressed if he used his intelligence rather than shock value in his writing. THEN I would be impressed. I mean, seriously. Tard? You couldn't come up with something more intelligent than that?
I, like Oz Squad Alpha, have a child with Down syndrome. I am also, like Dan, gay. I guess this gives me a unique perspective on the entire situation.
I fail to see how you can demand to be respected as a gay man and then turn around and disrespect an entire community of individuals (not just infants and their parents) but INDIVIDUALS who will likely face much more discrimination than you ever have. Hello? Pot? This is Kettle. You're black.
I'm gay. You're gay.
I'm a parent. You're a parent.
Let's make a deal. I'll respect your kid....if you respect mine.
CJ
www.dontlicktheferrets.com
77
Your title says nothing about the artwork, but it says volumes about you. You want respect, you should give respect. You are mean-spirited. How intelligent does one have to be to resort to calling people names?
78
Wow, Dan. Why haven't you apologized yet? The title of this post is very hurtful. Own your shit and apologize.
Jess
jessiam.com
Jess
jessiam.com
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Dan, I need to apologize. I used God to spread hate about homosexuality. God is not about hate. I'm truly sorry. I returned evil for evil. I was hurt and wanted to hurt you.
I have a child with Down syndrome. Dan, I have to constantly fight against the ignorance of individuals who mock children, babies, and adults with Down syndrome. For the last couple of days, I have felt so ashamed of what I said to you. But even more so, I have again felt ashamed for thinking that God and my body somehow failed me and my child. I thought I was over it, but then people like youself always help to rehash my feelings of inadequacy. And to my shame, I allowed you to turn my inadequacy into hate.
Not a hate for homosexuals but for the blame I constantly live with. One day I will get over the blame and shame. I hope one day you will stop hurting families affected with Down syndrome.
I'm asking you as a mother to please retrack your title "The Tard Supper." Thank you, Dan.
I also apologize to the homosexual community. Please forgive me.
I have a child with Down syndrome. Dan, I have to constantly fight against the ignorance of individuals who mock children, babies, and adults with Down syndrome. For the last couple of days, I have felt so ashamed of what I said to you. But even more so, I have again felt ashamed for thinking that God and my body somehow failed me and my child. I thought I was over it, but then people like youself always help to rehash my feelings of inadequacy. And to my shame, I allowed you to turn my inadequacy into hate.
Not a hate for homosexuals but for the blame I constantly live with. One day I will get over the blame and shame. I hope one day you will stop hurting families affected with Down syndrome.
I'm asking you as a mother to please retrack your title "The Tard Supper." Thank you, Dan.
I also apologize to the homosexual community. Please forgive me.
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eh, i don't like it.
bad choice of words.
derogatory...just like when people use the word 'gay' in an inappropriate way, we don't like that do we?
poor taste.
jmo.
bad choice of words.
derogatory...just like when people use the word 'gay' in an inappropriate way, we don't like that do we?
poor taste.
jmo.
81
Did you get the effect you wanted? Did your shock title work? Is this what you need to do to get attention? Why don't you be a man and retract the title. Down's Syndrome people have more class than you will in a lifetime!
82
Lovely work of art with such a negative title. Every person created by God is unique, special and beautiful in their own way. Why could you not have found a title fitting of the beauty of the artwork instead of one speaking negatively of the people you have portrayed in the piece? A better title would make for a more appealing piece of art.
83
Wow. I honestly believed you would have a heart and change the title of your post once you realized how ignorant and derogatory your post title is. Apparently I over-estimated you. You are nothing but another faceless coward hiding behind your computer screen watching the notoriety your asshat-ishness brings upon you. You were asked, rather nicely, to change the title of your post, but numerous people.
And I KNOW you are aware of the situation. You may not reply to comments, but you certainly do to emails. Now I can't even kid myself that you aren't aware of the situation.
You truly are an ass.
And I KNOW you are aware of the situation. You may not reply to comments, but you certainly do to emails. Now I can't even kid myself that you aren't aware of the situation.
You truly are an ass.
84
Spreading discrimination does not earn you respect Dan. I’m sure as a parent you understand where the rest of us parents are coming from. You would defend your child and want them seen as an individual not lumped into a stereotype, defaced, degraded, mocked, called names, judged by others that don’t understand or have a personal connection to them. We as parents of children who happen to have Down syndrome feel the same way about our children. I’m thrilled to see the artwork. I don’t think it’s funny or satirical at all. I think the pp comments about the 3’s in the painting are probably right on the money since people with Ds have 3 twenty-first chromosomes. I think it’s a beautiful representation and clever interpretation of the famous original. I’m sorry you don’t see that and don’t have anything better to mock for the day. My personal last barrier of prejudice to breakdown is feeling rattled or bothered by hypocrites. You understand the power of speech. The meaning a word has and the impact on a community when someone of influence is less then thoughtful in their usage of it. From one advocate to another- let’s call a truce. You make a living off of your ability to express free speech. There are plenty of other words out there to use- choose another free one.
85
not cool. from an artist with a degree from an accredited art school. I agree with CJ, pot calling kettle black here.
86
It's not like you have to change a billboard or something. It's a headline. It costs you nothing but a few seconds. Are those few seconds worth ostracizing a group of people who count themselves among your fan base? Is this really a victory for Dan Savage?
87
Wow, I really would have expected something less insensitive from you. I am a fan, and the mother of a mentally challenged daughter and a proud gay son. BOTH deserve more respect and certainly better role models.
I don't understand the silence from you, following the uproar.
I don't understand the silence from you, following the uproar.
88
It's called commission by omission, Dan, and you just aligned yourself with bigots and conservatives by refusing to apologize. Get human would you?
89
I have been thinking about the title of this post for a few days, and I think I've narrowed down the options:
1. Dan doesn't know it hurts other people and he would care if he knew.
2. Dan doesn't know it hurts other people and he wouldn't care if he knew.
3. Dan knows it hurts other people and he does care.
4. Dan knows it hurts other people and he doesn't care.
I think we can agree, especially after all of this, that the only probable choices are option 3 or option 4. My money is on 4.
In absence of a response from him, we can only really speculate as to why he continues to choose to use language that is demeaning to people with developmental disabilities. It is tempting to try to guess-- I would guess that he either thinks they and we shouldn't be offended, because they ARE retarded, and there's nothing wrong with that; or it's that he fancies himself an irreverent pot-stirrer, and that while he may mean no deliberate or specific harm with this post, it's generally okay with him to have a certain percentage of readers upset with his writing at all times, insomuch as he's also got a bell curve of cultural opinon moving in his general direction.
I think that the latter tactic serves him well when it comes to his writing about sexuality, civil rights issues around marriage, marijuana legalization, local politics, and a host of other topics, but when the irreverence comes off as judgmental righteousness in his posts about obesity issues, or as callous contrariness in the flippant title of this post, it fails. No one's perfect.
1. Dan doesn't know it hurts other people and he would care if he knew.
2. Dan doesn't know it hurts other people and he wouldn't care if he knew.
3. Dan knows it hurts other people and he does care.
4. Dan knows it hurts other people and he doesn't care.
I think we can agree, especially after all of this, that the only probable choices are option 3 or option 4. My money is on 4.
In absence of a response from him, we can only really speculate as to why he continues to choose to use language that is demeaning to people with developmental disabilities. It is tempting to try to guess-- I would guess that he either thinks they and we shouldn't be offended, because they ARE retarded, and there's nothing wrong with that; or it's that he fancies himself an irreverent pot-stirrer, and that while he may mean no deliberate or specific harm with this post, it's generally okay with him to have a certain percentage of readers upset with his writing at all times, insomuch as he's also got a bell curve of cultural opinon moving in his general direction.
I think that the latter tactic serves him well when it comes to his writing about sexuality, civil rights issues around marriage, marijuana legalization, local politics, and a host of other topics, but when the irreverence comes off as judgmental righteousness in his posts about obesity issues, or as callous contrariness in the flippant title of this post, it fails. No one's perfect.
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Your use of words detracts from any good that could have been meant by that picture. You need to get rid of that headline now. That is not fair, kind, compassionate or anything that should be depicted in the Last Supper. Is it encouraging to anyone? I don't think so. I have worked with people with Down Syndrome who would be perfectly justified in calling us a few names, but they have the self control not to, and know not to answer a fool in his folly. I find it highly offensive.
91
Tard??? Seriously??? ....and you are a grown man, a successful businessman, a FATHER, and yet you choose to use words that unfortunately are still used on a school playground that do nothing but hurt people??? Those kids, I mean bullies, have dads like you...I wish your son had a better role model.
92
I love this picture, but hate your offensive headline. I am even more dissapointed that you have not apologized for this awful slur after getting all this feedback. It is a minor offense to choose such a title out of ignorance and carelessness. It is, however, a disgrace to allow this title to remain despite all of this feedback. This is really mean spirited and lacking in compassion and respect. Your lack of basic kindness and decency in this matter is revolting. You can't expect any respect if you are disprespectful yourself.
93
Your title is offensive. Your lack of response to thoughtful feedback is unacceptable, and unforgivable. Please, just apologize, admit your mistake...
94
Interesting that this column does not make the "Most Commented on Slog" despite the fact that it has more comments than most of the articles cited. The offensive nature seems to have been censored.
It is obvious that Mr. Savage will not be giving an apology or a retraction. I can surmise it is because he stands by his headline and will not be giving into a vocal minority of his readers. He stands proud in his use of the word "retard", or his clever turn of a phrase "leotarded". And now, his embracing of the word "tard". And why should he apologize? People with Down Syndrome have a rich history of being abused, exterminated, ridiculed, terminated, institutionalized and demeaned. Dan is now an honorary member of a not very select group. All you need is the belief that the disabled are "less than" to be on the team.
Dan should be proud in his steadfast refusal to listen to the comments of the minority.
Proud to stand by his inalienable right to mock those he chooses with words he chooses.
Proud to not give in to his so called "pansy-assed" readers.
Proud to stand by his conviction that he owns the word "tard".
I admire your steadfast refusal to not give in to us "bullies". Those of us who experience the real damage to our children by those who continue to see them as "less than'.
You will not be told.
Bravo, you deserve all the laughs you seek.
It is obvious that Mr. Savage will not be giving an apology or a retraction. I can surmise it is because he stands by his headline and will not be giving into a vocal minority of his readers. He stands proud in his use of the word "retard", or his clever turn of a phrase "leotarded". And now, his embracing of the word "tard". And why should he apologize? People with Down Syndrome have a rich history of being abused, exterminated, ridiculed, terminated, institutionalized and demeaned. Dan is now an honorary member of a not very select group. All you need is the belief that the disabled are "less than" to be on the team.
Dan should be proud in his steadfast refusal to listen to the comments of the minority.
Proud to stand by his inalienable right to mock those he chooses with words he chooses.
Proud to not give in to his so called "pansy-assed" readers.
Proud to stand by his conviction that he owns the word "tard".
I admire your steadfast refusal to not give in to us "bullies". Those of us who experience the real damage to our children by those who continue to see them as "less than'.
You will not be told.
Bravo, you deserve all the laughs you seek.
95
I have been watching this column all week waiting for you to respond. I guess you are not going to. You have lost my respect, Mr Savage. More over you have lost my support. You are a hypocrite. Goodbye. ~~
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Glad to see the scales falling from folks eyes. Of course Savage is a hypocrite. It's just his zombie fans who delude themselves into thinking he has principles.
97
Classy, Dan. *sigh*
Guess it's one rule for the one minority group you fee you belong to and privileged insensitive a##holery for everyone else.
Guess it's one rule for the one minority group you fee you belong to and privileged insensitive a##holery for everyone else.
98
Shame on you for making fun of such innocent and wonderful people who can't defend themselves.Shame on you for offending so many parents of children who have a disability.Shame on you, because of all people you should know what it's like to be made fun of.Shame on you for not apologizing.
99
Dan- I know you think this will just go away if you ignore it, just like all the other times. But this time it won't.
100
The artwork is beautiful. The title comes across mean spirited. The amount of pain in this comment thread breaks my heart. Shit.
101
I find myself wondering how Mr. Savage might feel if his own son had been diagnosed with a developmental disorder, or if someone else he loves were to suffer some injury or disease that left them with learning difficulties or some cognitive impairment. Would he still think this kind of thing was funny?
102
I think that most are missing a point here. Demanding Dan retract his title is infringing on his freedom of speech. As a country we say we value our freedoms, and yet when someone does or says something we don't like or thy we find offensive, we are quick to try and pull those very freedoms away. George Carlin once said that when you control someone's speech you control their thoughts. I think that statement has a lot of merit. I, for one don't want that responsibility, and I think anyone who does should tread very lightly
Also, try to look at the artwork and see what the artist is trying to say. Some will see the purity of spirit that many people with DS have and say that reflects Christ's purity. And that is their right. However, you might also consider that because Judas is also depicted here with DS that might not be the case. Maybe the term retarded in the most basic use of the word is the artist's intent. The artist may be suggesting that the whole idea of the last supper and the religious beliefs surrounding it are the products of people who were mentally slow or underdeveloped. I don't know the artist's true intent, but that is the real beauty of art. It is a catalyst for discussion and debate and sometimes what comes from that is greater than the work of art itself.
I hope that this comment doesn't offend, as that is not my intent. But if it does, I will not apologize. I will only say that is comment only reflects my thoughts on the subject and should only be taken as my opinion and nothing more.
Also, try to look at the artwork and see what the artist is trying to say. Some will see the purity of spirit that many people with DS have and say that reflects Christ's purity. And that is their right. However, you might also consider that because Judas is also depicted here with DS that might not be the case. Maybe the term retarded in the most basic use of the word is the artist's intent. The artist may be suggesting that the whole idea of the last supper and the religious beliefs surrounding it are the products of people who were mentally slow or underdeveloped. I don't know the artist's true intent, but that is the real beauty of art. It is a catalyst for discussion and debate and sometimes what comes from that is greater than the work of art itself.
I hope that this comment doesn't offend, as that is not my intent. But if it does, I will not apologize. I will only say that is comment only reflects my thoughts on the subject and should only be taken as my opinion and nothing more.
103
Bigotry often hides behind the "freedom of speech" that you defend. I think Mr. Savage has often fought against bigotry, which is why his campaign against the mentally disabled is so difficult to comprehend.
I did not demand "Dan to retract his title". I would have thought that after reading the many thoughtful comments left by so many that he would have perhaps issued a comment... or an apology... or a retraction. Mr. Savage has done none of the above.
His choice has been to stand by his words. His crude stereotypes of people with disabilities is bigotry of the highest order. I am happy to live in the land of the free, and believe me I do not want control any of Mr. Savage's thoughts. They are his own. And they speak volumes of him as a person.
I did not demand "Dan to retract his title". I would have thought that after reading the many thoughtful comments left by so many that he would have perhaps issued a comment... or an apology... or a retraction. Mr. Savage has done none of the above.
His choice has been to stand by his words. His crude stereotypes of people with disabilities is bigotry of the highest order. I am happy to live in the land of the free, and believe me I do not want control any of Mr. Savage's thoughts. They are his own. And they speak volumes of him as a person.
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@102 - I don't think anyone is questioning Dan's right to free speech. In fact, we are exercising our own rights in the form of speaking out and asking him to be accountable for his own words and actions. Free speech is not a free pass to say whatever you want without others being able to say anything back.
Further, in this forum, it is not really even possible for us to violate Dan's First Amendment rights, since The Stranger is the entity that owns and moderates Slog and controls what stays up. And even if The Stranger chose to take down or censor any of our comments (or Dan's posts/comments), it wouldn't violate anyone's First Amendment rights, because The Stranger owns this forum, and the paper is under no legal obligation whatsoever to anyone here to publish their words and opinions.
Finally, the issue isn't with the artwork. I would love to have a comment thread on the artwork, but the title of Dan's post is what people are upset over and has completely overshadowed the artwork.
Further, in this forum, it is not really even possible for us to violate Dan's First Amendment rights, since The Stranger is the entity that owns and moderates Slog and controls what stays up. And even if The Stranger chose to take down or censor any of our comments (or Dan's posts/comments), it wouldn't violate anyone's First Amendment rights, because The Stranger owns this forum, and the paper is under no legal obligation whatsoever to anyone here to publish their words and opinions.
Finally, the issue isn't with the artwork. I would love to have a comment thread on the artwork, but the title of Dan's post is what people are upset over and has completely overshadowed the artwork.
105
I have heard about this post and just waded my way through all 104 of the previous comments. I know several of your commentors as fellow bloggers because I like many of them have a child with DS. I loved the artwork, it was amazing. I sought out the Artist on the internet and got a better understanding of his intentions. He did this and several other similar pieces of art out of admiration and respect for people with Down syndrome and his love of his faith. He worked closely with his photographer and each of his subjects. This was a labor of love that reflected his heart, not a satirical portayal for the humor of others. I realy don't understand why in the world you would give it the title that you did. Really? You pride yourself in your defense against discrimination, so this just floors me. There has been an outpouring of distress from one word in the title. A simple, "Oh sorry, my bad, I didn't intend offense... or I didn't mean to hurt anyone" would have been not only sufficient, but respectful. In light of your personal struggles with acceptance and equality, that would have been more admirable than sheer silence. I am curious, do you think that this is great publicity for you? Do you think that it is just frankly an over-reaction on our end? Do you think that you have the right to be rude, so that trumps the offense? Or do you think that this has all spun out of control and you don't know what to think/say? Really, Dan. What are you thinking?
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